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Call in talk radio tends to use ducking to allow
the hosts to maintain control of (over the top) callers. I'm wondering what typical ducking parameters might be for this application. A friend of mine has been filling in as host and I noticed that she doesn't use ducking when she works from her home studio. I'm wondering if I should point this out to her, and if so what parameters might apply. Later... Ron Capik -- |
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On Fri, 02 Sep 2011 20:22:46 -0400, Ron Capik
wrote: Call in talk radio tends to use ducking to allow the hosts to maintain control of (over the top) callers. I'm wondering what typical ducking parameters might be for this application. A friend of mine has been filling in as host and I noticed that she doesn't use ducking when she works from her home studio. I'm wondering if I should point this out to her, and if so what parameters might apply. Later... Ron Capik Ducking is a bit of a blunt instrument, and really doesn't sound that great. A finger on the fader is a much better way of doing it. d |
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Don Pearce wrote:
On Fri, 02 Sep 2011 20:22:46 -0400, Ron Capik wrote: Call in talk radio tends to use ducking to allow the hosts to maintain control of (over the top) callers. I'm wondering what typical ducking parameters might be for this application. A friend of mine has been filling in as host and I noticed that she doesn't use ducking when she works from her home studio. I'm wondering if I should point this out to her, and if so what parameters might apply. Later... Ron Capik Ducking is a bit of a blunt instrument, and really doesn't sound that great. A finger on the fader is a much better way of doing it. d Hard to predict when a caller-in is going to go "over the top". Why not set up a sidechain trigger to take care of it, even if somewhat heavy-handedly? -- shut up and play your guitar * http://hankalrich.com/ http://www.youtube.com/walkinaymusic http://www.sonicbids.com/HankandShaidri |
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On 9/3/2011 12:55 PM, hank alrich wrote:
Don wrote: On Fri, 02 Sep 2011 20:22:46 -0400, Ron wrote: Call in talk radio tends to use ducking to allow the hosts to maintain control of (over the top) callers. I'm wondering what typical ducking parameters might be for this application. A friend of mine has been filling in as host and I noticed that she doesn't use ducking when she works from her home studio. I'm wondering if I should point this out to her, and if so what parameters might apply. Later... Ron Capik Ducking is a bit of a blunt instrument, and really doesn't sound that great. A finger on the fader is a much better way of doing it. d Hard to predict when a caller-in is going to go "over the top". Why not set up a sidechain trigger to take care of it, even if somewhat heavy-handedly? The station I frequently listen to seems to always have host triggered ducking turned on. I've never been a talk show producer or engineer, and hadn't thought about it much until I heard my friend doing a show from home the other night. At one point in the show I noticed that she didn't seem to be able to drop the caller into the background so she could make a point. I never noticed a problem when she's working at the station, and as is often said; if you notice the sound you're doing it wrong. I don't know, maybe it's her equipment setup or maybe it's the lack of a producer/engineer. I don't know anything about her home setup, but I'll be talking with her later in the week. I figured I'd it can't hurt to float the question here. Later... Ron Capik -- |
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On Sat 2011-Sep-03 12:55, hank alrich writes:
Ducking is a bit of a blunt instrument, and really doesn't sound that great. A finger on the fader is a much better way of doing it. Hard to predict when a caller-in is going to go "over the top". Why not set up a sidechain trigger to take care of it, even if somewhat heavy-handedly? I'm with Hank here. Use your ears and set it so that it only clamps down on the worst offenders. Still there's nothing like an active hand on the fader managing things for best overall results. I wonder if Ron's friend might be just letting it ride and concentrating more on the art of conversation than the art of generating good audio. That's why good production often requires a hand on the board in addition to talent. Regards, Richard -- | Remove .my.foot for email | via Waldo's Place USA Fidonet-Internet Gateway Site | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. |
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On Sat 2011-Sep-03 16:37, Don Pearce writes:
nothing like an active hand on the fader managing things for best overall results. I wonder if Ron's friend might be just letting it ride and concentrating more on the art of conversation than the art of generating good audio. That's why good production often requires a hand on the board in addition to talent. I'm not sure that the requirement here is to mute people who are too loud (and that isn't what ducking will do anyway), but to turn down the caller while the host makes a point. A simple -10dB button will do that quite nicely. But it needs to be under manual control - any attempt at automation results in volume pumping -not good. I was wondering about that myself. LImiting maybe, but ducking, if you're right that's what's needed. Either way someone actually with hands on the production other than set levels and let 'er fly. Regards, Richard -- | Remove .my.foot for email | via Waldo's Place USA Fidonet-Internet Gateway Site | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. |
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On 9/3/2011 4:37 PM, Don Pearce wrote:
I'm not sure that the requirement here is to mute people who are too loud (and that isn't what ducking will do anyway), but to turn down the caller while the host makes a point. This sort of "ducking" is to allow the host to interrupt a caller, plain and simple. In a fast moving talk show, you sometimes have to do that. It's not a matter that the caller is talking too energetically or using language you can't use on the radio, it's mostly that the caller is getting off track or just taking up too much time. Butting in on what the caller is saying is more polite than the host just turning him down. I hardly ever listen to talk radio. -- "Today's production equipment is IT based and cannot be operated without a passing knowledge of computing, although it seems that it can be operated without a passing knowledge of audio." - John Watkinson http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com - useful and interesting audio stuff |
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On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 07:02:14 -0400, Mike Rivers
wrote: On 9/3/2011 4:37 PM, Don Pearce wrote: I'm not sure that the requirement here is to mute people who are too loud (and that isn't what ducking will do anyway), but to turn down the caller while the host makes a point. This sort of "ducking" is to allow the host to interrupt a caller, plain and simple. In a fast moving talk show, you sometimes have to do that. It's not a matter that the caller is talking too energetically or using language you can't use on the radio, it's mostly that the caller is getting off track or just taking up too much time. Butting in on what the caller is saying is more polite than the host just turning him down. I don't think it would be used to cut the caller off mid-flow, just to make sure the host has clear air to talk through without further interruption until he is done - or he considers the item done and finally cuts the caller off. I hardly ever listen to talk radio. Does anybody, really? d |
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On 9/4/2011 7:06 AM, Don Pearce wrote:
I hardly ever listen to talk radio. Does anybody, really? Talk radio seems to be extremely popular over here in The Colonies. There's not much music on regular broadcast radio any more, and more and more of the community and public radio stations are adding more talk shows, either local or syndicated. -- "Today's production equipment is IT based and cannot be operated without a passing knowledge of computing, although it seems that it can be operated without a passing knowledge of audio." - John Watkinson http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com - useful and interesting audio stuff |
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Mike Rivers wrote:
On 9/4/2011 7:06 AM, Don Pearce wrote: I hardly ever listen to talk radio. Does anybody, really? Talk radio seems to be extremely popular over here in The Colonies. There's not much music on regular broadcast radio any more, and more and more of the community and public radio stations are adding more talk shows, either local or syndicated. Talk is cheap. Where I live in the UK, I could probably run half a dozen talk stations for the cost of one music station, unless I only used music not licenced by MCPS. -- Tciao for Now! John. |
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Mike Rivers writes:
On 9/3/2011 4:37 PM, Don Pearce wrote: snips I hardly ever listen to talk radio. It *can* be an interesting balance -- if you filter or ignore appropriately what any host might say. I get of kick out of hearing longer excerpts from our leaders. For example, hearing the current US president without a teleprompter can raise one's eyebrow. One of the several more famous gaffs when the prompter wasn't running: "I've been to 57 states with one to go" and "corpsmen" pronounced "corpse-men". Insignificant? Perhaps. But recall of the reactions when the previous president said such things. The talk radio format allows more time for longer plays of this and many other things than does the typical broadcast media format. (And here's an instance where hearing rather than reading has more impact.) I don't mean to start an off-topic political storm; the format and its technology is interesting. (I'd be curious to know, for example, more about the DSP or other processing that makes the average phone sound as good as it does on the air. Anything special? Or just hightly refined gating, eq, and compression? Frank MObile Audio PS: check out radio host John Batchelor. Yes, there are political aspects that might irk some here, but perhaps just "irk" rather than "enrage". The segments on science and technology are fascinating -- and this host asks some very useful questions. Great book reviews too. Batchelor seems to have returned a certain level of civility and intelligence to the format. (And instead of the tired old rock bumper music that EVERYBODY uses, this show uses well-chosen classical music and film scores, along with the occasional seasoning of jazz or thoughtful indy music. My jaw hit the floor when I heard a Ralph Vaughan Williams piece used. Cemented my resolve to go out of my way to find this show and forget the others, though they're still handy in the background when soldering cables or cleaning the kitchen. w) -- |
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On Sep 4, 10:49*am, Frank Stearns
wrote: Mike Rivers writes: On 9/3/2011 4:37 PM, Don Pearce wrote: snips I hardly ever listen to talk radio. It *can* be an interesting balance -- if you filter or ignore appropriately what any host might say. I get of kick out of hearing longer excerpts ... snip utterly transparent reflexive subject-changing Normally, random insertion of politics is not part of this forum, but since you brought up the same old same old oft-repeated talking points (rhetoric that's clearly, obviously, a standard litany, not any personal observation of your own) ... Everyone who speaks in public makes gaffes, and this very short list of very short gaffes (one of them merely a mispronunciation) by the current occupant, pales in comparison with the previous occupant's long list of large and lengthy blunders. Critics of the current occupant lean heavily on this short list, while critics of the previous occupant can select frpm gaffes that would (and do) fill entire volumes. Items from this short list of pre-programmed talking points are routinely used to change the subject, from any subject at all, no matter how unrelated, to partisan pet political peeves (as obviously happened in the post to which I'm responding). As is to be expected, each gaffer is criticised mostly by those who disagree with him. But any impartial inspection of the record shows one gaffer a champion of the gaffe, while the other speaks more thoughtfully. (The previous occupant has openly admitted that he doesn't speak well). Any pretense otherwise is so rhetortically so weak, even bankrupt, that its only hope of traction is incessant repetition. It's the kind of thing that should suffer ducking by any rational impartial talk show host, but talk-show ducking, at least in the US, is practiced more in the service of extremism than reason or impartiality. If newsgroup ducking were possible, it could be used to keep the NG on-topic. In general, this newsgroup does not suffer from random introduction of entirely predictable subject derailments using pre-programmed political rhetoric. That's clearly what happened in the post that I'm responding to. Starting with the existing subject, then shifting to some phony interest in hearing longer excerpts from our leaders (a red- herring), and then to the blatant subject change. Some folks on the internet just have an uncontrollable reflexive urge to twist any conversation at all into merely hammering over and over and over an over again on political talking points that, without the hammer, are thoroughly insignificant. Incessant Behringer-bashing, mystical misunderstanding of digital audio, and dicussions of elementary issues of wiring are tiresome, but at least they're related to audio. |
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"Mike Rivers" wrote in message
... On 9/3/2011 4:37 PM, Don Pearce wrote: I'm not sure that the requirement here is to mute people who are too loud (and that isn't what ducking will do anyway), but to turn down the caller while the host makes a point. This sort of "ducking" is to allow the host to interrupt a caller, plain and simple. In a fast moving talk show, you sometimes have to do that. It's not a matter that the caller is talking too energetically or using language you can't use on the radio, it's mostly that the caller is getting off track or just taking up too much time. Butting in on what the caller is saying is more polite than the host just turning him down. I hardly ever listen to talk radio. I listen to a fair bit of it simply because I'm trying to catch the traffic reports during my daily drive. Manners or audio quality don't seem to be concerns, and yes I do hear cases where the caller is being ducked to a degree while the host is talking. I also hear where the host cuts off the caller and then the channel is muted. while the next caller is pulled up. Using a ducker to help the host manage the show is exactly the tool if it's a one woman show working from a home studio. On the other hand, I don't think you can just say 'use these settings' to someone with no experience with a compressor. You need to try it out and listen to get it right. Sean |
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On Sun 2011-Sep-04 10:49, Frank Stearns writes:
snip its technology is interesting. (I'd be curious to know, for example, more about the DSP or other processing that makes the average phone sound as good as it does on the air. Anything special? Or just hightly refined gating, eq, and compression? A bit of that, but I think a lot of it has to do with how good your hybrid interfacing the phone system to the air chain is. Back in the '80's the locally produced talk radio stuff on WHO in Des MOines sounded very good overall, partly because the interface was a good one, and they had a damned good board op. A fellow who had a weekend show there went to another station, and he sounded fairly good on that other station. YEt a friend of mine did some prerecorded bits on his graveyard shift show on the later station, and although we played with settings we never got the phone side sounding quite as good as phoners sounded directly from the on air control room. We always intended to slip into the control room when he was on air and swap 'em out grin. I still maintain that the reason that many of these shows can sound as good as they do is the simple fact that there's often a board op as well as talent. Regards, Richard -- | Remove .my.foot for email | via Waldo's Place USA Fidonet-Internet Gateway Site | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. |
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On Sep 4, 8:01*pm,
(Richard Webb) wrote: On Sun 2011-Sep-04 13:04, Sean Conolly writes: I listen to a fair bit of it simply because I'm trying to catch the traffic *reports during my daily drive. Manners or audio quality don't seem to be *concerns, and yes I do hear cases where the caller is being ducked to a *degree while the host is talking. I also hear where the host cuts off the *caller and then the channel is muted. while the next caller is pulled up. *Using a ducker to help the host manage the show is exactly the tool if it's *a one woman show working from a home studio. About the only tool you've got. *OTherwise it's a carefully koreographed dance, the producer, talent and the board op. When you've got all these folks working together it's seamless enough you don't notice it. On the other hand, I don't think you can just say 'use these settings' to *someone with no experience with a compressor. You need to try it out and *listen to get it right. I don't either. *OFten you might require a bit of tweaking to the settings on your processing to fit individual callers and phone circuits, etc. *That is, if you're doing the job. Regards, * * * * * *Richard -- | Remove .my.foot for email | via Waldo's Place USA Fidonet-Internet Gateway Site | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. OP you want to look for a digital (DSP) based hybrid like the Gentner or Comrex http://www.audiotheater.com/phone/phone.html works like a Polycom speakerphone that is probably what is causing the "ducking" that you hear.. Mark |
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On 9/4/2011 6:21 PM, Mark wrote:
On Sep 4, 8:01 pm, (Richard Webb) wrote: On Sun 2011-Sep-04 13:04, Sean Conolly writes: I listen to a fair bit of it simply because I'm trying to catch the traffic reports during my daily drive. Manners or audio quality don't seem to be concerns, and yes I do hear cases where the caller is being ducked to a degree while the host is talking. I also hear where the host cuts off the caller and then the channel is muted. while the next caller is pulled up. Using a ducker to help the host manage the show is exactly the tool if it's a one woman show working from a home studio. About the only tool you've got. OTherwise it's a carefully koreographed dance, the producer, talent and the board op. When you've got all these folks working together it's seamless enough you don't notice it. On the other hand, I don't think you can just say 'use these settings' to someone with no experience with a compressor. You need to try it out and listen to get it right. I don't either. OFten you might require a bit of tweaking to the settings on your processing to fit individual callers and phone circuits, etc. That is, if you're doing the job. Regards, Richard -- | Remove .my.foot for email | via Waldo's Place USA Fidonet-Internet Gateway Site | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. OP you want to look for a digital (DSP) based hybrid like the Gentner or Comrex http://www.audiotheater.com/phone/phone.html works like a Polycom speakerphone that is probably what is causing the "ducking" that you hear.. Mark Thanks. Actually what I noted was the lack of ducking when she works from her home setup. I don't have a clue what her home setup is yet, but she told me about some other problems she's been having there and we'll be talking in the near future. Anyway that caused me to pay a bit more attention to that broadcast and thus I noticed a lack of ducking that I'd never noticed before. Maybe I'll be able to add more details on her setup and "work flow" later. Later... Ron C -- |
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On Sun 2011-Sep-04 13:04, Sean Conolly writes:
I listen to a fair bit of it simply because I'm trying to catch the traffic reports during my daily drive. Manners or audio quality don't seem to be concerns, and yes I do hear cases where the caller is being ducked to a degree while the host is talking. I also hear where the host cuts off the caller and then the channel is muted. while the next caller is pulled up. Using a ducker to help the host manage the show is exactly the tool if it's a one woman show working from a home studio. About the only tool you've got. OTherwise it's a carefully koreographed dance, the producer, talent and the board op. When you've got all these folks working together it's seamless enough you don't notice it. On the other hand, I don't think you can just say 'use these settings' to someone with no experience with a compressor. You need to try it out and listen to get it right. I don't either. OFten you might require a bit of tweaking to the settings on your processing to fit individual callers and phone circuits, etc. That is, if you're doing the job. Regards, Richard -- | Remove .my.foot for email | via Waldo's Place USA Fidonet-Internet Gateway Site | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. |
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"Frank Stearns" wrote in message
acquisition... SNIP I don't mean to start an off-topic political storm; the format and its technology is interesting. (I'd be curious to know, for example, more about the DSP or other processing that makes the average phone sound as good as it does on the air. Anything special? Or just hightly refined gating, eq, and compression? Frank MObile Audio I produced a monthly corporate program for 13 years that included a lot of over the telephone content. I was continuously amazed by how good the audio quality was on many lines. Over the course of the program the quality improved. Most of the time I did very little processing, rarely compression or limiting, moderate EQ sometimes, once in a while severe EQ. I used basic equipment, an analogue telephone patch and a mix minus set up on a small mixing board. I did what little processing was needed in Audition. Recorded both sides of many telephone conversations plus frequent threeways with lines conferenced through a fee service. When I listened to the program off a CD in a car, where my clients were going to listen, the audio quality of the telephone recorded material held its own with direct studio microphone and field mic recordings. Sure, I wouldn't record music over the phone, but today's digital lines seem to have surprising frequency response and far less brick wall limiting than in the old POTS days. The last couple of years the actual telephone instrument at the originating end was often the weak link. I've done a few Skype recordings recently. That can be very good, but I've also had 'drop outs', digital braaps, at least once in each session. Steve King |
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Ron Capik wrote:
Call in talk radio tends to use ducking to allow the hosts to maintain control of (over the top) callers. I'm wondering what typical ducking parameters might be for this application. You want something as fast as possible with fast recovery too. A friend of mine has been filling in as host and I noticed that she doesn't use ducking when she works from her home studio. I'm wondering if I should point this out to her, and if so what parameters might apply. Try an RNC. I can't really give you numbers because they are going to be different for every compressor since the slope of the control curve will differ. But the RNC does a great job for ducking music beds and should work for ducking annoying callers as well. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Ron Capik wrote:
The station I frequently listen to seems to always have host triggered ducking turned on. Everybody does it. I find it really annoying. I've never been a talk show producer or engineer, and hadn't thought about it much until I heard my friend doing a show from home the other night. At one point in the show I noticed that she didn't seem to be able to drop the caller into the background so she could make a point. I never noticed a problem when she's working at the station, and as is often said; if you notice the sound you're doing it wrong. She needs to learn how to use the fader, then. She's in control of the show, not a compressor. She needs to have it automatic in her fingers to exercise that control. I figured I'd it can't hurt to float the question here. I don't like aggressive ducking, but people do it. Listen to the Tom Joyner Morning Show for some of the most annoying and egregious ducking abuse. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Frank Stearns wrote:
Ah ha! That's the piece I'm missing and remember hearing about, but have never dealt with one. Are these typically custom or are there off-the-shelf units? Which company makes the better ones? These days there are a lot of good ones, and many of them are actually integrated with a multiline telephone system so that the board op can juggle a dozen incoming calls at once. The Comrex and Telos hybrids seem to have most of the market. I have an ancient Gentner, and to be honest the new ones aren't any better, really, although they are a lot more convenient. The real problem is that most folks today aren't calling in from good telephones in the first place, but from cellphones using aggressive compression over RF links with data loss... --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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On 9/6/2011 9:35 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Ron wrote: Call in talk radio tends to use ducking to allow the hosts to maintain control of (over the top) callers. I'm wondering what typical ducking parameters might be for this application. You want something as fast as possible with fast recovery too. A friend of mine has been filling in as host and I noticed that she doesn't use ducking when she works from her home studio. I'm wondering if I should point this out to her, and if so what parameters might apply. Try an RNC. I can't really give you numbers because they are going to be different for every compressor since the slope of the control curve will differ. But the RNC does a great job for ducking music beds and should work for ducking annoying callers as well. --scott The RNC doesn't have a side chain. Would you send caller left, host right, then use the left out as the ducked (or duckable) caller output? Later... Ron Capik -- |
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Ron Capik wrote:
The RNC doesn't have a side chain. Would you send caller left, host right, then use the left out as the ducked (or duckable) caller output? No, it's got a sidechain! That's part of why I like it so much, you can stick an EQ in there. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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On 9/6/2011 11:28 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Ron wrote: The RNC doesn't have a side chain. Would you send caller left, host right, then use the left out as the ducked (or duckable) caller output? No, it's got a sidechain! That's part of why I like it so much, you can stick an EQ in there. --scott Oops! All these years I've been using them and never noticed that sidechain jack. Maybe says something about how little I use sidechains. Sorry about that. Later... Ron Capik -- |
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Ron Capik wrote: On 9/6/2011 11:28 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote: Ron wrote: The RNC doesn't have a side chain. Would you send caller left, host right, then use the left out as the ducked (or duckable) caller output? No, it's got a sidechain! That's part of why I like it so much, you can stick an EQ in there. Oops! All these years I've been using them and never noticed that sidechain jack. Maybe says something about how little I use sidechains. Sorry about that. Get a crappy consumer-grade third-octave EQ, put it in the sidechain! It is very, very cool. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Ron Capik wrote:
The RNC doesn't have a side chain. Yeah, it does. That's one of the unexpectedly cool things about it. http://fmraudio.com/rnc.htm -- shut up and play your guitar * http://hankalrich.com/ http://www.youtube.com/walkinaymusic http://www.sonicbids.com/HankandShaidri |
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On Fri, 2 Sep 2011 20:22:46 -0400, Ron Capik wrote
(in article ): Call in talk radio tends to use ducking to allow the hosts to maintain control of (over the top) callers. I'm wondering what typical ducking parameters might be for this application. A friend of mine has been filling in as host and I noticed that she doesn't use ducking when she works from her home studio. I'm wondering if I should point this out to her, and if so what parameters might apply. Later... Ron Capik -- I think the Shure FP410 has that built in. It's called, um, something like "Chairman Mode" as in the chairman's mic always overrides everyone else's. Regards, Ty Ford --Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services Acting and Voiceover Demos http://www.tyford.com Guitar player?:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWaPRHMGhGA |
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Talk radio, ducking
On Tue 2011-Sep-06 09:38, Scott Dorsey writes:
snip night. At one point in the show I noticed that she didn't seem to be able to drop the caller into the background so she could make a point. I never noticed a problem when she's working at the station, and as is often said; if you notice the sound you're doing it wrong. She needs to learn how to use the fader, then. She's in control of the show, not a compressor. She needs to have it automatic in her fingers to exercise that control. Kinda been getting at that one myself. IT's why you have controls, unless she's trying to mouse between audio controls and other things on a screen that is. Would agree with Scott's suggestion of an rnc though. Still that's why there are faders, and why still today good sounding nationally syndicated talk radio stuff uses a board op to go along with producer and talent. I've seen folks who could do it well, the guy I referenced earlier this thread who moved from the blowtorch talk radio voice of Des MOines, Ia. was his own board op/producer at the station he moved to, and still did a nice seamless sounding show as his own board op. There are in fact advantages if you learn to use the faders a bit. Pot down that caller, cut to a break with own voice, bring in the bumper music, it's doable but you've got to pay attention, and be listening to the air chain as well. I figured I'd it can't hurt to float the question here. I don't like aggressive ducking, but people do it. Listen to the Tom Joyner Morning Show for some of the most annoying and egregious ducking abuse. NEver heard it, but now I know not to listen. IT's usable, and even useful at times. Have her try the rnc, but even more important set her up to get to the control she needs, and then help her learn to use it. Regards, Richard -- | Remove .my.foot for email | via Waldo's Place USA Fidonet-Internet Gateway Site | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. |
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