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On 8/12/2014 6:30 p.m., Tom Evans wrote:
However, I don't know if Garageband's Arpreggiator is as good as Logic Pro's, though. I read that many fellows praised Logic Pro 10's arpreggiator. They seemed to think that was the best feature of Logic. You have a keyboard and hands ? geoff |
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On 2014-12-06 19:30:57 -0800, flatfish+++ said:
On Sun, 07 Dec 2014 14:17:00 +1300, geoff wrote: On 7/12/2014 8:57 a.m., Orlando Enrique Fiol wrote: Most of these 'sounds' are EXTERNAL to the core DAW itself, and are third-party plug-ins which can be added to, replace, or deleted. geoff Here is a thread in GS discussing "sounds"... https://www.gearslutz.com/board/musi...endations.html Thanks, Flatfish. Wow, that's quite a list! I haven't even heard of most of those collections of sounds. Sounds like some obscure collections of sounds! It could take me weeks to go through all those collections! I downloaded Zebralette after reading that thread. But Zebraletter has a complex, 26-page manaul and requires a separate program to hear the sounds and it requires all sorts of adjusttments that would take a ton of time just of test that one collection out of the dozens listed in the thread. What I'm looking for is collections I can download into Garageband and test in Garageband by playing a note or a chord on my controller. Or better yet, to be able to hear audio clips on the manufacturers' Web sites by pressing the play button, like I can in the Apple site for Logic Pro clips. Also, I'm not interested in adjusting waveforms to come up with new sounds. I'm looking for pre-set instrument sounds that I can just play as they are (except for maybe boosting the reverb and echo or adjusting the arpeggiator like I can do in Garageband to get an instrument to sound better. Tom |
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On 2014-12-07 21:34:10 -0800, geoff said:
On 8/12/2014 6:30 p.m., Tom Evans wrote: However, I don't know if Garageband's Arpreggiator is as good as Logic Pro's, though. I read that many fellows praised Logic Pro 10's arpreggiator. They seemed to think that was the best feature of Logic. You have a keyboard and hands ? geoff I don't have Logic Pro and there are no demos of it to download, so how could I compare the Logic arpeggiator to Garageband's? DAW.... Tom |
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On 2014-12-07 06:50:32 -0800, Scott Dorsey said:
Tom Evans wrote: Most of the Kontakt sounds are not my cup of soup style-wise. (To put it more simply, I don't like most of them.) Then purchase a third-party sample library. Pick the software you like, then purchase sounds for it, not the other way around. Or make your own samples. --scott I have softwa Garageband. I considered buying Logic Pro, but have been assured in this thread that I don't need Logic Pro to make pro-quality soongs. But I still need to add some swell instrument sounds to the software to make those swell songs. Tom |
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On 2014-12-07 01:37:45 -0800, John Williamson said:
On 07/12/2014 09:19, geoff wrote: On 7/12/2014 6:07 p.m., Tom Evans wrote: It's not a matter of speakers, amplifier, headphones, soundcard or room. I think it's more a matter of my preferences. Luckily, most VSTis and sample libraries have free demo versions .... And if you're on a tight budget, most VSTis can be used with Audacity. You lose the pretty graphics, but the functionality is all there. Thanks, John. Is Audacity as good as Garageband? And by the way, are you the same John Willamson who hangs out in some of the Mac newsgroups? If so, I'm surprised to see you here. Tom |
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On 2014-12-06 17:11:30 -0800, geoff said:
On 7/12/2014 7:43 a.m., Tom Evans wrote: Am I right that the version of Studio One for making pro-quality music for publishing would be the $499 "Studio One 2 Professional" version? Don't think that by purchasing an app with "professional" in the name that any result will be professional. Thanks, Geoff. That's obvious. I'm not naive. Pretty much ALL DAWs are capable of turning out professional quality results. The 'instrument sounds' that come bundled with some DAWs are often just something to get you started, though some are quite comprehensive. When you get serious you can purchase third-party VSTi instruments and libraries of sounds. I'm confused; I'm looking for instrument sounds, but you've separated that into instruments and libraries of sounds. What's the difference? And another option is to record real instruments ;-) That's unnecessary for me because I have access to digital orchestras with my DAW. Tom |
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On 2014-12-07 07:04:13 -0800, flatfish+++ said:
On Sat, 6 Dec 2014 21:44:45 -0800, Tom Evans wrote: What I mean is: Instead of spending $325 for Studio One Professional 2 and then having to spend a lot of time shopping for maybe another $325 to add more instrument sounds to Stuido One for a total of about maybe $700 or $800, can't I just buy insturment sounds to add to Garageband for less money than that, since I'm being advised strongly here not to change my music-making program. I don't like most of the sounds that come with Garageband and Mainstage, so I'm looking for a better package of instrument sounds that I can add to Garageband, if that's feasible. Tom Got it! I would spend the money on sounds and instruments. The included sounds with just about every DAW are variable. Some are really good and others not so much. Also it depends upon what kind of music you are creating. Someone doing jazz or classical might want realistic sounding instruments vs someone doing electronic music might want sounds that don't sound realistic but are unique. I'm looking a splendid sound library for a variety of realistic and unique sounds for a variety of genres Ð orchestral, classical guitars, brass, choir, electronic, soft rock, hard rock, new wave, folk, ambient, funk, hip-hop, jazz, house, rap, reggae, country, experimental, disco, blues, etcetera. Tom |
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On 8/12/2014 8:27 p.m., Tom Evans wrote:
.. Alluding to musical skills like physically playing arpeggios on a keyboard - perhaps not quite where you are coming from. I'm confused; I'm looking for instrument sounds, but you've separated that into instruments and libraries of sounds. What's the difference? Many instrument come with basic (or not so basic) sounds which can be samples, synthesied, or a mixture. You can get separate libraries of samples or synth ptaches to augment the included ones. And another option is to record real instruments ;-) That's unnecessary for me because I have access to digital orchestras with my DAW. Real live sound and players have no chance then ;-) But seriously, I think you need to dive into some magasines to get a good basic grounding which you seem to be lacking. I guess they are all available online now. Sound On Sound is. Do Computer Music and Electrponic Musician still exist? geoff |
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On 2014-12-07 23:46:17 -0800, geoff said:
On 8/12/2014 8:27 p.m., Tom Evans wrote: . Alluding to musical skills like physically playing arpeggios on a keyboard - perhaps not quite where you are coming from. Say what? I'm confused; I'm looking for instrument sounds, but you've separated that into instruments and libraries of sounds. What's the difference? Many instrument come with basic (or not so basic) sounds which can be samples, synthesied, or a mixture. You can get separate libraries of samples or synth ptaches to augment the included ones. And another option is to record real instruments ;-) That's unnecessary for me because I have access to digital orchestras with my DAW. Real live sound and players have no chance then ;-) Funny guy. But seriously, I think you need to dive into some magasines to get a good basic grounding which you seem to be lacking. I guess they are all available online now. Sound On Sound is. Do Computer Music and Electrponic Musician still exist? geoff Never heard of Electroponic Musician. I haven't read any magazine music articles for several years. If I read magazine articles, I prefer them to be Mac mazagines cuz I'm a Mac man. I know I need to learn many basics by reading magazines that takes so much time. I'd rather just dive in head first and make music and learn as I go along. Instead of reading magazines, I've already published my much-unanticipated debut single that I made using Garageband, mastered by Diskmakers and available since September on Itunes, Amazon, Soundcloud, Spotfiy and C.D. Baby. Tom |
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On 8/12/2014 9:17 p.m., Tom Evans wrote:
Never heard of Electroponic Musician. I haven't read any magazine music articles for several years. If I read magazine articles, I prefer them to be Mac mazagines cuz I'm a Mac man. Make that "Electronic Musician". Um Mac magasines ?!!! You want to learn about music try music magasines. Restricting your scope to Mac magasines will give you a very blinkered and narrow view of things, especially cult ones. I know I need to learn many basics by reading magazines that takes so much time. So does learning music or an instrument. I'd rather just dive in head first and make music and learn as I go along. Learning by mistakes is one way of doing it. Opinions vary on which way is best. Instead of reading magazines, I've already published my much-unanticipated debut single that I made using Garageband, mastered by Diskmakers and available since September on Itunes, Amazon, Soundcloud, Spotfiy and C.D. Baby. Congratulations. I've been making music and recording for over 30 years and haven't released one yet ;-( . On the other hand, I've never tried to. But I do know what I'm doing, and I do know that it (the musical side at least) isn't that great. geoff |
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On 08/12/2014 07:45, Tom Evans wrote:
I'm looking a splendid sound library for a variety of realistic and unique sounds for a variety of genres Ð orchestral, classical guitars, brass, choir, electronic, soft rock, hard rock, new wave, folk, ambient, funk, hip-hop, jazz, house, rap, reggae, country, experimental, disco, blues, etcetera. Hope you've got lots of storage space and money available, then. A`decent set of orchestral string samples on its own can run to over 10 gigabytes and over a grand in money. -- Tciao for Now! John. |
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On 08/12/2014 07:10, Tom Evans wrote:
On 2014-12-07 01:37:45 -0800, John Williamson said: On 07/12/2014 09:19, geoff wrote: On 7/12/2014 6:07 p.m., Tom Evans wrote: It's not a matter of speakers, amplifier, headphones, soundcard or room. I think it's more a matter of my preferences. Luckily, most VSTis and sample libraries have free demo versions .... And if you're on a tight budget, most VSTis can be used with Audacity. You lose the pretty graphics, but the functionality is all there. Thanks, John. Is Audacity as good as Garageband? As I've never used Garageband, I couldn't say. And by the way, are you the same John Willamson who hangs out in some of the Mac newsgroups? If so, I'm surprised to see you here. He's not me. I'm strictly non-Apple (not even an iPhone) for many reasons including not liking their walled garden approach to software. -- Tciao for Now! John. |
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On 2014-12-08 00:46:43 -0800, John Williamson said:
On 08/12/2014 07:45, Tom Evans wrote: I'm looking a splendid sound library for a variety of realistic and unique sounds for a variety of genres Ð orchestral, classical guitars, brass, choir, electronic, soft rock, hard rock, new wave, folk, ambient, funk, hip-hop, jazz, house, rap, reggae, country, experimental, disco, blues, etcetera. Hope you've got lots of storage space and money available, then. A`decent set of orchestral string samples on its own can run to over 10 gigabytes and over a grand in money. I don't need the world's finest, big collection of strings -- just a few superlative ones would be fine. Tom |
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On 08/12/2014 06:59, Tom Evans wrote:
On 2014-12-07 21:34:10 -0800, geoff said: On 8/12/2014 6:30 p.m., Tom Evans wrote: However, I don't know if Garageband's Arpreggiator is as good as Logic Pro's, though. I read that many fellows praised Logic Pro 10's arpreggiator. They seemed to think that was the best feature of Logic. You have a keyboard and hands ? geoff I don't have Logic Pro and there are no demos of it to download, so how could I compare the Logic arpeggiator to Garageband's? DAW.... Geoff's point was that if you have a decent keyboard (As in music, not text), it's not hard to play an arpreggio, and once you've spent a few hours learning how to do it properly, you then have an amazing variety of techniques available which are either impossible or difficult to program on a DAW. -- Tciao for Now! John. |
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On 08/12/2014 07:04, Tom Evans wrote:
On 2014-12-07 06:50:32 -0800, Scott Dorsey said: Tom Evans wrote: Most of the Kontakt sounds are not my cup of soup style-wise. (To put it more simply, I don't like most of them.) Then purchase a third-party sample library. Pick the software you like, then purchase sounds for it, not the other way around. Or make your own samples. --scott I have softwa Garageband. I considered buying Logic Pro, but have been assured in this thread that I don't need Logic Pro to make pro-quality soongs. You don't *need* any particular program to make pro-quality songs. What you need is talent and patience, and a basic recording setup. People have been making music for Centuries without computers, and recording stuff for decades using various recording technologies. The only thing they all have in common is a need to make music for others to hear. If you have that need, then you will find a way to do the job with whatever you've got. But I still need to add some swell instrument sounds to the software to make those swell songs. See above. It's quite possible to make very good music using cheesy stuff like a Roland drum machine and a Casio keyboard, if you're talented enough. I've heard a pair of musicians make good sounds with a keyboard, a guitar, two voices and a "Band in a box" machine. It was just a shame they started their set with "Smoke On The Water"... -- Tciao for Now! John. |
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On 08/12/2014 08:53, Tom Evans wrote:
On 2014-12-08 00:46:43 -0800, John Williamson said: On 08/12/2014 07:45, Tom Evans wrote: I'm looking a splendid sound library for a variety of realistic and unique sounds for a variety of genres Ð orchestral, classical guitars, brass, choir, electronic, soft rock, hard rock, new wave, folk, ambient, funk, hip-hop, jazz, house, rap, reggae, country, experimental, disco, blues, etcetera. Hope you've got lots of storage space and money available, then. A`decent set of orchestral string samples on its own can run to over 10 gigabytes and over a grand in money. I don't need the world's finest, big collection of strings -- just a few superlative ones would be fine. That's your problem right there. The reason the best collections are big is because they have many layers and many styles of playing which the smaller sets can't have by definition. The reason they're expensive is because making a decent sample set is hard, painstaking work. You get what you pay for, mostly. -- Tciao for Now! John. |
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On 8/12/2014 9:54 p.m., John Williamson wrote:
Geoff's point was that if you have a decent keyboard (As in music, not text), it's not hard to play an arpreggio, and once you've spent a few hours learning how to do it properly, you then have an amazing variety of techniques available which are either impossible or difficult to program on a DAW. ..... and they won't sound like a machine. Of course it is equally valid if you actually WANT it to sound like that. But everybody else's can sound exactly like that too, with little effort. geoff |
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On 8/12/2014 10:02 p.m., John Williamson wrote:
some swell instrument sounds to the software to make those swell songs. See above. It's quite possible to make very good music using cheesy stuff like a Roland drum machine and a Casio keyboard, if you're talented enough. I've heard a pair of musicians make good sounds with a keyboard, a guitar, two voices and a "Band in a box" machine. It was just a shame they started their set with "Smoke On The Water"... Just heard on the radio today a dude called Johnny Random, who makes amazing music with a bicycle ! http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/pr...-johnny-random geoff |
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On 12/8/2014 2:45 AM, Tom Evans wrote:
I'm looking a splendid sound library for a variety of realistic and unique sounds for a variety of genres Ð orchestral, classical guitars, brass, choir, electronic, soft rock, hard rock, new wave, folk, ambient, funk, hip-hop, jazz, house, rap, reggae, country, experimental, disco, blues, etcetera. All in a single purchase? For $50 or less? Adjust your dreams or your budget. And give yourself a few years to see how these things work together and how they don't. Unless you have some really amazing talent, you don't get to be a orchestator, engineer, producer, and mixer from a newsgroup posting. You might start asking around in the rec.music.makers.synth newsgroup. Around here, when we need what you're looking for, we find live musicians. -- "Today's production equipment is IT based and cannot be operated without a passing knowledge of computing, although it seems that it can be operated without a passing knowledge of audio" - John Watkinson Drop by http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com now and then |
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On 12/8/2014 3:53 AM, Tom Evans wrote:
I don't need the world's finest, big collection of strings -- just a few superlative ones would be fine. I don't need 400 TV channels, either, but they won't let me buy just a few superlative ones. -- "Today's production equipment is IT based and cannot be operated without a passing knowledge of computing, although it seems that it can be operated without a passing knowledge of audio" - John Watkinson Drop by http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com now and then |
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On 12/8/2014 2:27 AM, Tom Evans wrote:
I'm confused; I'm looking for instrument sounds, but you've separated that into instruments and libraries of sounds. What's the difference? There isn't just a single sound that a piano or a violin or a tuba or an electronic drum makes. A good sample "library" will have many versions of each instrument played in different ways, over different ranges (you don't just play middle C, shift the pitch up and down the scale, and have a piano), and at different volumes. So your "Steinway 8 foot Grand Piano" is actually a library of sounds from a single piano. A good VSTI will detect things like the MIDI velocity and pick the sounds from the library that sound like a piano played with that touch. Since real piano players play with dynamics, throughout a song, there may be a number of different samples of the same piano playing the same note. -- "Today's production equipment is IT based and cannot be operated without a passing knowledge of computing, although it seems that it can be operated without a passing knowledge of audio" - John Watkinson Drop by http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com now and then |
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On 12/8/2014 3:17 AM, Tom Evans wrote:
Instead of reading magazines, I've already published my much-unanticipated debut single that I made using Garageband, mastered by Diskmakers and available since September on Itunes, Amazon, Soundcloud, Spotfiy and C.D. Baby. Have you paid off the with the royalties Lexus yet? -- "Today's production equipment is IT based and cannot be operated without a passing knowledge of computing, although it seems that it can be operated without a passing knowledge of audio" - John Watkinson Drop by http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com now and then |
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On 12/8/2014 12:34 AM, geoff wrote:
I don't know if Garageband's Arpreggiator is as good as Logic Pro's, though. I read that many fellows praised Logic Pro 10's arpreggiator. They seemed to think that was the best feature of Logic. You have a keyboard and hands ? I suspect that he may not be actually playing music with his hands. Garage Band can be pretty useful, but it's mostly for people who don't actually play, but know how to work with computers. Note my message tag line below: -- "Today's production equipment is IT based and cannot be operated without a passing knowledge of computing, although it seems that it can be operated without a passing knowledge of audio" - John Watkinson Drop by http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com now and then |
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On 12/8/2014 1:56 AM, Tom Evans wrote:
Wow, that's quite a list! I haven't even heard of most of those collections of sounds. Sounds like some obscure collections of sounds! Maybe you should start reading magazines like Electronic MUSICIAN or Keyboard instead of Mac computer magazines. -- "Today's production equipment is IT based and cannot be operated without a passing knowledge of computing, although it seems that it can be operated without a passing knowledge of audio" - John Watkinson Drop by http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com now and then |
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On Mon, 08 Dec 2014 07:19:52 -0500, Mike Rivers wrote:
On 12/8/2014 3:53 AM, Tom Evans wrote: I don't need the world's finest, big collection of strings -- just a few superlative ones would be fine. I don't need 400 TV channels, either, but they won't let me buy just a few superlative ones. I noticed that too lol ! -- flatfish+++ Linux: The Operating System That Put The City Of Munich Out Of Business. Before Switching To Linux Read This: http://linuxfonts.narod.ru/why.linux...current.htm l |
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On Sun, 7 Dec 2014 22:56:30 -0800, Tom Evans wrote:
On 2014-12-06 19:30:57 -0800, flatfish+++ said: On Sun, 07 Dec 2014 14:17:00 +1300, geoff wrote: On 7/12/2014 8:57 a.m., Orlando Enrique Fiol wrote: Most of these 'sounds' are EXTERNAL to the core DAW itself, and are third-party plug-ins which can be added to, replace, or deleted. geoff Here is a thread in GS discussing "sounds"... https://www.gearslutz.com/board/musi...endations.html Thanks, Flatfish. Wow, that's quite a list! I haven't even heard of most of those collections of sounds. Sounds like some obscure collections of sounds! Actually many of those "sounds" are used to make the music you are listening to on the radio. It could take me weeks to go through all those collections! Welcome to the world of electronic music. That's just the way it is. If you want a well rounded collection with just about every kind of sound known to mankind, get Komplete. Even the lighter versions cover just about all bases. However, you will still have to fish through the thousands of sounds to find what you are looking for although they are grouped for easy searching. If you are looking for free, try this site: http://www.vstwarehouse.com/ I downloaded Zebralette after reading that thread. But Zebraletter has a complex, 26-page manaul and requires a separate program to hear the sounds and it requires all sorts of adjusttments that would take a ton of time just of test that one collection out of the dozens listed in the thread. Sounds like you need to hire a band because if you are not willing to take the time to learn the program properly, it's highly unlikely you will ever find what you are looking for. What I'm looking for is collections I can download into Garageband and test in Garageband by playing a note or a chord on my controller. Or better yet, to be able to hear audio clips on the manufacturers' Web sites by pressing the play button, like I can in the Apple site for Logic Pro clips. Also, I'm not interested in adjusting waveforms to come up with new sounds. I'm looking for pre-set instrument sounds that I can just play as they are (except for maybe boosting the reverb and echo or adjusting the arpeggiator like I can do in Garageband to get an instrument to sound better. Tom All of that takes time. There is no magic wand. About the best you can hope for is that when you purchase high quality ($$$$$) libraries, the pre-set sounds are usually quite good and tweaking the sound is not a necessity. What you do is spend the time locating the instruments you are likely to use for your music and then set up templates in your DAW to automatically load those instruments to the appropriate tracks. Another alternative is to purchase a hardware module like the Roland Integra -7 which has more sounds than most people can use in a lifetime. http://www.rolandus.com/products/details/1245/462 -- flatfish+++ Linux: The Operating System That Put The City Of Munich Out Of Business. Before Switching To Linux Read This: http://linuxfonts.narod.ru/why.linux...current.htm l |
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Tom Evans wrote:
I was planning to buy the software I think I would like (Logic Pro) and I think the sounds in that might be sufficient so that I wouldn't feel the need to buy more sounds. Try the demo of Logic Pro and see if you like it. But I've been urged in this thread to stick with Garageband and buy sounds for it. No matter what you use, you're probably going to have to buy samples from someplace else. The nice thing about it, though, is that if you get a license for, say, the Vitous String library, you can use it with a variety of different applications. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Tom Evans wrote:
On 2014-12-08 00:46:43 -0800, John Williamson said: On 08/12/2014 07:45, Tom Evans wrote: I'm looking a splendid sound library for a variety of realistic and unique sounds for a variety of genres Ð orchestral, classical guitars, brass, choir, electronic, soft rock, hard rock, new wave, folk, ambient, funk, hip-hop, jazz, house, rap, reggae, country, experimental, disco, blues, etcetera. Hope you've got lots of storage space and money available, then. A`decent set of orchestral string samples on its own can run to over 10 gigabytes and over a grand in money. I don't need the world's finest, big collection of strings -- just a few superlative ones would be fine. I have yet to hear a superlative synthesized string section. That is one of the things (along with cymbals) that you first want to dub in live. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Tom Evans wrote:
On 2014-12-07 07:04:13 -0800, flatfish+++ said: On Sat, 6 Dec 2014 21:44:45 -0800, Tom Evans wrote: What I mean is: Instead of spending $325 for Studio One Professional 2 and then having to spend a lot of time shopping for maybe another $325 to add more instrument sounds to Stuido One for a total of about maybe $700 or $800, can't I just buy insturment sounds to add to Garageband for less money than that, since I'm being advised strongly here not to change my music-making program. I don't like most of the sounds that come with Garageband and Mainstage, so I'm looking for a better package of instrument sounds that I can add to Garageband, if that's feasible. Tom Got it! I would spend the money on sounds and instruments. The included sounds with just about every DAW are variable. Some are really good and others not so much. Also it depends upon what kind of music you are creating. Someone doing jazz or classical might want realistic sounding instruments vs someone doing electronic music might want sounds that don't sound realistic but are unique. I'm looking a splendid sound library for a variety of realistic and unique sounds for a variety of genres €“ orchestral, classical guitars, brass, choir, electronic, soft rock, hard rock, new wave, folk, ambient, funk, hip-hop, jazz, house, rap, reggae, country, experimental, disco, blues, etcetera. Tom If you want all of that and you want all of it to be genuinely good, you face the need to accept what that costs. You want it all, basically, and the good stuff is not cheap. -- shut up and play your guitar * HankAlrich.Com HankandShaidriMusic.Com YouTube.Com/WalkinayMusic |
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John Williamson wrote:
On 08/12/2014 08:53, Tom Evans wrote: On 2014-12-08 00:46:43 -0800, John Williamson said: On 08/12/2014 07:45, Tom Evans wrote: I'm looking a splendid sound library for a variety of realistic and unique sounds for a variety of genres €“ orchestral, classical guitars, brass, choir, electronic, soft rock, hard rock, new wave, folk, ambient, funk, hip-hop, jazz, house, rap, reggae, country, experimental, disco, blues, etcetera. Hope you've got lots of storage space and money available, then. A`decent set of orchestral string samples on its own can run to over 10 gigabytes and over a grand in money. I don't need the world's finest, big collection of strings -- just a few superlative ones would be fine. That's your problem right there. The reason the best collections are big is because they have many layers and many styles of playing which the smaller sets can't have by definition. The reason they're expensive is because making a decent sample set is hard, painstaking work. You get what you pay for, mostly. What John said. -- shut up and play your guitar * HankAlrich.Com HankandShaidriMusic.Com YouTube.Com/WalkinayMusic |
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Tom Evans wrote:
If I read magazine articles, I prefer them to be Mac mazagines cuz I'm a Mac man. I think we are suggesting you read about musical composition using sample libraries, which has nothing to do with choice of computer platform. Essentially what you face is that you want to buy Armani for a WalMart price. That is not going to happen. -- shut up and play your guitar * HankAlrich.Com HankandShaidriMusic.Com YouTube.Com/WalkinayMusic |
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Tom Evans wrote:
On 2014-12-07 08:04:46 -0800, Peter Larsen said: "Scott Dorsey" skrev i en meddelelse ... Tom Evans wrote: Most of the Kontakt sounds are not my cup of soup style-wise. (To put it more simply, I don't like most of them.) Then purchase a third-party sample library. Pick the software you like, then purchase sounds for it, not the other way around. Or make your own samples. Good that the coffee still is in the kitchen What? I think you do not grasp how sample libraries are constructed. Peter is thanking the coffee gods for not having gotten him a mouthful of java before reading Scott's suggestion. Cleaning one's keyboard consumes valuable time, not to mention the waste of coffee. --scott Kind regards Peter Larsen -- shut up and play your guitar * HankAlrich.Com HankandShaidriMusic.Com YouTube.Com/WalkinayMusic |
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Tom Evans wrote:
I don't need Logic Pro to make pro-quality soongs Making "pro quality songs" requires nothing more than writing worthy material. Fail that and all the tech in the world makes no difference. Beautifully orchestrated ****ty songs are still ****ty songs. Succeed at composition and all you need is a voice and an instrument. -- shut up and play your guitar * HankAlrich.Com HankandShaidriMusic.Com YouTube.Com/WalkinayMusic |
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Tom Evans wrote:
I downloaded Zebralette after reading that thread. But Zebraletter has a complex, 26-page manaul and requires a separate program to hear the sounds and it requires all sorts of adjusttments that would take a ton of time just of test that one collection out of the dozens listed in the thread. You seem to think driving a freight train should be as easy as pushing a tinkertoy around the sandbox. If you want it both cheap and lazy you may have come to the wrong hangout here. Doing this work well requires learning about the tools, saving the money for good ones, and investing the time/work it takes to become proficient. Even when all that is in place, the results still fall or stand on the quality of your compositions, which has exactly nothing to do wth anyone's sample library. It could take me weeks to go through all those collections! If you are looking for sympathy you won't find that here. I started working to learn guitar in 1959. I still work to learn guitar nearly every damn day. And I still get better, nearly every damn day. Unless I stick my finger into a table saw, and then I must begin anew in certain ergonomic aspects. The path of the dilettante is level and smooth, in general, but the way of the warrior offers considerably more challenge, not to mention the cost of the boots. -- shut up and play your guitar * HankAlrich.Com HankandShaidriMusic.Com YouTube.Com/WalkinayMusic |
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hank alrich wrote:
If you want it both cheap and lazy you may have come to the wrong hangout here. Doing this work well requires learning about the tools, saving the money for good ones, and investing the time/work it takes to become proficient. Even when all that is in place, the results still fall or stand on the quality of your compositions, which has exactly nothing to do wth anyone's sample library. On the other hand, doing it cheap and lazy worked for Los Del Rio with the Macarena.... The path of the dilettante is level and smooth, in general, but the way of the warrior offers considerably more challenge, not to mention the cost of the boots. When I grow up I want to be a dilettante. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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On 2014-12-08 04:27:56 -0800, Mike Rivers said:
On 12/8/2014 3:17 AM, Tom Evans wrote: Instead of reading magazines, I've already published my much-unanticipated debut single that I made using Garageband, mastered by Diskmakers and available since September on Itunes, Amazon, Soundcloud, Spotfiy and C.D. Baby. Have you paid off the with the royalties Lexus yet? I didn't write -- or even vaguely imply -- that I had made much money from the song. You clearly have a vivid imagination, but poor reading skills, based of that wild misinterpretation. Also, that snide sarcastm is impolite. Tom |
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On 2014-12-08 04:25:59 -0800, Mike Rivers said:
On 12/8/2014 2:27 AM, Tom Evans wrote: I'm confused; I'm looking for instrument sounds, but you've separated that into instruments and libraries of sounds. What's the difference? There isn't just a single sound that a piano or a violin or a tuba or an electronic drum makes. A good sample "library" will have many versions of each instrument played in different ways, over different ranges (you don't just play middle C, shift the pitch up and down the scale, and have a piano), and at different volumes. So your "Steinway 8 foot Grand Piano" is actually a library of sounds from a single piano. A good VSTI will detect things like the MIDI velocity and pick the sounds from the library that sound like a piano played with that touch. Since real piano players play with dynamics, throughout a song, there may be a number of different samples of the same piano playing the same note. I thought that velocity and touch-sensitivity are determined by the computer program and keyboard, as the MIDI interprets how hard and fast you hit the keys on the keyboard. Tony |
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On 2014-12-08 00:50:52 -0800, John Williamson said:
On 08/12/2014 07:10, Tom Evans wrote: On 2014-12-07 01:37:45 -0800, John Williamson said: On 07/12/2014 09:19, geoff wrote: On 7/12/2014 6:07 p.m., Tom Evans wrote: It's not a matter of speakers, amplifier, headphones, soundcard or room. I think it's more a matter of my preferences. Luckily, most VSTis and sample libraries have free demo versions .... And if you're on a tight budget, most VSTis can be used with Audacity. You lose the pretty graphics, but the functionality is all there. Thanks, John. Is Audacity as good as Garageband? As I've never used Garageband, I couldn't say. Thanks, John. If Audacity isn't better than Garageband, I won't bother to learn Audacity. It already took me a lot of work and time to learn Garageband, so if I swtich programs, I want to learn a program that's vastly superior to Garageband. There's no point in investing time and effort into learning a program that does the same things that my current program can do. Tom |
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On 2014-12-08 02:17:26 -0800, geoff said:
On 8/12/2014 9:54 p.m., John Williamson wrote: Geoff's point was that if you have a decent keyboard (As in music, not text), it's not hard to play an arpreggio, and once you've spent a few hours learning how to do it properly, you then have an amazing variety of techniques available which are either impossible or difficult to program on a DAW. .... and they won't sound like a machine. Of course it is equally valid if you actually WANT it to sound like that. But everybody else's can sound exactly like that too, with little effort. geoff Thanks, John and Geoff. I didn't know about that diference in quality. Tom |
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On 12/8/2014 10:33 AM, Tom Evans wrote:
I think it's more logical to read magazines that are tailored to music-making using the Apple operating system because Apple is one operating system out of several. There's no point in reading articles that don't fit that Apple category, because I can't apply information about hardware and software that's designeed for -- or is preferential to -- other operating systems. While some programs are platform-specific, there are many that have both Mac and Windows versions, though most reviews that you'll find will be for one or the other version because that's the kind of computer the reviewer owns. Sounds, on the other hand, are quite often generic - any program that will support VST instruments will support any of them. And that's one of the most common formats for instrument sounds. You'd know that if you studied the technology and didn't have your head buried in your Mac. -- "Today's production equipment is IT based and cannot be operated without a passing knowledge of computing, although it seems that it can be operated without a passing knowledge of audio" - John Watkinson Drop by http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com now and then |
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