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I know to some of you this my be a dum question... but i don't know the answer and would appreciate any opinions. Recently i got a Behringer X2442USB Mixer with 8 of the channels that have "sidechain inputs". I'm using a DBX 166XSV Gate/Compressor/Limiter and a Behringer FBQ3102 Ultragraph PRO EQ. I can only plug one into the side chain at a time. Is it conventional or acceptable to plug either of these 2 outboard units into the "effects loop" being as you're adding more or less effect with a knob (as opposed to in line)? mikey |
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"Mikey" wrote in message
... I know to some of you this my be a dum question... but i don't know the answer and would appreciate any opinions. Recently i got a Behringer X2442USB Mixer with 8 of the channels that have "sidechain inputs". I'm using a DBX 166XSV Gate/Compressor/Limiter and a Behringer FBQ3102 Ultragraph PRO EQ. I can only plug one into the side chain at a time. Is it conventional or acceptable to plug either of these 2 outboard units into the "effects loop" being as you're adding more or less effect with a knob (as opposed to in line)? mikey You could daisy chain the compressor and EQ. Out of the side chain into the EQ, out of the EQ into the compressor, and back into the channel side-chain. What is the configuration of the side-chain cable you are now using? You may have to change it. Steve King |
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On 2/18/2012 11:15 AM, Mikey wrote:
Recently i got a Behringer X2442USB Mixer with 8 of the channels that have "sidechain inputs". I'm using a DBX 166XSV Gate/Compressor/Limiter and a Behringer FBQ3102 Ultragraph PRO EQ. I can only plug one into the side chain at a time. Is it conventional or acceptable to plug either of these 2 outboard units into the "effects loop" being as you're adding more or less effect with a knob (as opposed to in line)? First off, they're not "sidechain inputs," they're channel insert points. Each jack has an output, usually right out of the mic preamp or line input, that you can connect to the input of your processor. The insert jack also has a corresponding input to which you connect the output of your processor. The result is that you break the normal signal path through the mixer and INSERT something extra in the signal path. Inserts are useful for when there's one channel that gets the processor, though you can daisy-chain processors. For instance you could connect the input of your compressor to the Insert Send (output), connect the output of the compressor to the input of an equalizer, then connect the output of the equalizer to the Insert Return (input). Then you'd have both the compressor and equalizer operating on that channel. Generally an effects loop connection is used for effects, and not usually for compressors or equalizers. If you want to put the same reverb on four different channels, you can send a mix of those channels to an auxiliary bus to which the input of your reverb is connected. The auxiliary return is an input to the mixer to which you can connect the output of your processor without using up one of the main channels. If, for example, you wanted to compress several channels of background singers, the best way to do that is to assign those channels to a subgroup (your mixer has four of them) rather than the main mix, connect the subgroup output to your compressor, and then bring the compressed group back into the mix either through a main channel or an auxiliary return. For a more detailed description of how signals get in, through, and out of a mixer, see the article Mixer Anatomy 101 in the Technical Articles section of my web site. -- "Today's production equipment is IT based and cannot be operated without a passing knowledge of computing, although it seems that it can be operated without a passing knowledge of audio." - John Watkinson http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com - useful and interesting audio stuff |
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On Sat, 18 Feb 2012 10:50:46 -0600, "Steve King"
wrote: "Mikey" wrote in message .. . I know to some of you this my be a dum question... but i don't know the answer and would appreciate any opinions. Recently i got a Behringer X2442USB Mixer with 8 of the channels that have "sidechain inputs". I'm using a DBX 166XSV Gate/Compressor/Limiter and a Behringer FBQ3102 Ultragraph PRO EQ. I can only plug one into the side chain at a time. Is it conventional or acceptable to plug either of these 2 outboard units into the "effects loop" being as you're adding more or less effect with a knob (as opposed to in line)? mikey You could daisy chain the compressor and EQ. Out of the side chain into the EQ, out of the EQ into the compressor, and back into the channel side-chain. What is the configuration of the side-chain cable you are now using? You may have to change it. Steve King Thanks Steve King. What i did was purchase (X4) Hosa, tip-ring-sleeve to double 1/4" phone plugs. These work well in the side chain inserts as each outboard unit is "stereo" or 2 mono channels. The DBX 166XSV actually has an additional 2 "side chain" inserts in the rear ....but they don't seen to work when i plug in the Behringer FBQ3102 EQ going the conventional, tip-pin 2, ring-pin 3, sleeve-pin 1 Hosa cables. I can't understand the manual when it says: "The SIDECHAIN INSERT can be used to control the compressor or expander/gate by signals other than the audio output (via an auxiliary device, such as an equalizer). " But i don't think that's important if i use your suggestion. I could "daisy chain" the 2 as a package by running one Hosa tip ring sleeve "Y" cable into the input of one device and the out of the other and connecting a conventional phone plug cable between the 2 outboard units (in and out). Is this correct? Did any of that make any sense? I will say that all three devices work excellent on their own. As opposed to the 266, the DBX 166 is very natural sounding and has little to no artifacts. The "gate" alone is worth it. mikey |
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On Sat, 18 Feb 2012 12:34:32 -0500, Mike Rivers
wrote: Hey, Mike dude. How do... On 2/18/2012 11:15 AM, Mikey wrote: Recently i got a Behringer X2442USB Mixer with 8 of the channels that have "sidechain inputs". I'm using a DBX 166XSV Gate/Compressor/Limiter and a Behringer FBQ3102 Ultragraph PRO EQ. I can only plug one into the side chain at a time. Is it conventional or acceptable to plug either of these 2 outboard units into the "effects loop" being as you're adding more or less effect with a knob (as opposed to in line)? First off, they're not "sidechain inputs," they're channel insert points. Each jack has an output, usually right out of the mic preamp or line input, that you can connect to the input of your processor. The insert jack also has a corresponding input to which you connect the output of your processor. The result is that you break the normal signal path through the mixer and INSERT something extra in the signal path. Inserts are useful for when there's one channel that gets the processor, though you can daisy-chain processors. For instance you could connect the input of your compressor to the Insert Send (output), connect the output of the compressor to the input of an equalizer, then connect the output of the equalizer to the Insert Return (input). Then you'd have both the compressor and equalizer operating on that channel. I think this is what Steve King was saying...no? Generally an effects loop connection is used for effects, and not usually for compressors or equalizers. If you want to put the same reverb on four different channels, you can send a mix of those channels to an auxiliary bus to which the input of your reverb is connected. The auxiliary return is an input to the mixer to which you can connect the output of your processor without using up one of the main channels. If, for example, you wanted to compress several channels of background singers, the best way to do that is to assign those channels to a subgroup (your mixer has four of them) rather than the main mix, connect the subgroup output to your compressor, and then bring the compressed group back into the mix either through a main channel or an auxiliary return. That's good to know. For a more detailed description of how signals get in, through, and out of a mixer, see the article Mixer Anatomy 101 in the Technical Articles section of my web site. We'll do that. Thanks. mikey |
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