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Fixing the Leslie Amp
""Lord Valve"
The plate is recycled from the Sovtek 6550WE. Of course, the plate is the *least* important part of a tube - anything that can withstand 1100 Kelvin without warping will work just fine, including a tunafish can. The stuff *inside* the plate of the new Reflektor-produciton Tung-Sol 6550 is *excellent*, however. This is a *good* tube, with Gm in the correct range, and it doesn't suffer from bias drift like the SED 6550C all you audiophools seem to be so in love with. The triple getter system is good, too, and will add considerable service lifetime. Botom line: Don't knock it until you've tried it. I have, and it's excellent - at least, in musical instrument amplification. Especially Leslies. Lord Valve The only fix for the Leslie amp is throwing the son of a bitch out and putting something else in or wiring up a input connector to use an external amp. Unlike the lovely Allen Organ amp from their Gyro cabs, the Leslie amp is a disaster. While you're at it ****can the piece of **** phenolic treble horn driver. |
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Is Pat Metheny one of your clients?
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Jon Yaeger wrote: Is Pat Metheny one of your clients? Not so far. ;-) LV |
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On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 06:50:20 GMT, Lord Valve wrote:
. The signature Hammond "click" which comes from the noise of nine contacts hitting nine bussbars at slightly different times becomes Do they run the audio thru there or a keying voltage? unbearably obtrusive when an extended frequency-response "hi-fi" driver is installed in a Leslie. Could you just roll off the responce with a coil or cap? |
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Lord Valve wrote: (snip) Bottom line: Don't knock it until you've tried it. I have, and it's excellent - at least, in musical instrument amplification. Especially Leslies. Lord Valve The only fix for the Leslie amp is throwing the son of a bitch out and putting something else in or wiring up a input connector to use an external amp. Depends on what kind of sound you're looking for. Would you like a list of organists who wouldn't ****** on an Allen cab if it was on fire? Let's start with Jimmy Smith, Whose ass the sun shines out of... Joey DeFrancesco, Jimmy McGriff, Jack MacDuff, Shirley Scott, Wild Bill Davis, Richard "Groove" Holmes, CT (from Tower of Power), Charles Earland, Kofi Burbridge, Greg Allman Next time ya see Gregg, ask him how his pal Scooter Herring is doing these days,will ya? ....gonna be a pretty long list, I think. I'm on it, too. Hell, you can go back to Ethel Smith and Fats Waller...Hammond/Leslie players all. Did I mention Ray Charles and James Brown? Damn, might as well throw in Paul Shaffer while I'm at it. Oh, and, uh...Chevy Chase? Yup. The venerable 40W Leslie amp is prized for its signature grind when overdriven. When linear operation is not the goal, all bets are off. That signature grind is an illegible scrawl. Almost any Vox, Marshall or Fender guitar amp will do as nicely. Just put a 1/4", or better a Speakon on a little plate on the side. Want an internal amp, I'd build something from scratch and put the original Leslie amp aside for collectibility. Unlike the lovely Allen Organ amp from their Gyro cabs, the Leslie amp is a disaster. While you're at it ****can the piece of **** phenolic treble horn driver. Well, see...hmmm...I think I'm dealin' with a living room organist, for some reason... Well, yeah, I have a modded M3 and a Farfisa and a Rhodes in my rumpus room. Got me there. None of 'em worked when I dragged their dead worthless carcasses home, they all do now. If I was gigging I'd buy a new one. But anyway, the Leslie is a better rotary cab than the Allen soundwise, which is why Allens get parted out. The amp is a great hi-fi amp and one of the only ones using 6550s that IMO sounds really good. There is a motor that is big enough for an industrial dryer, works great on drill presses or small lathes. And the slip ring assembly is "the ****" for building a small wind generator. Also you have three "bass" and three "treble" drivers to put on eBay. I don't regret parting them out, but they were crafted better than anything that came out of the Leslie plant. Leslies are not _that_ well built. The phenolic diaphragm in the V21/V22 Jensen drivers is just what needs to be there when the cabinet is used with a Hammond. The signature Hammond "click" which comes from the noise of nine contacts hitting nine bussbars at slightly different times becomes unbearably obtrusive when an extended frequency-response "hi-fi" driver is installed in a Leslie. In fact, I usually have to remove four or five of them a year (JBL, Altec, Emilar, etc.) from Leslies that were "improved" by "experts" who've never worked a venue larger than their rec-room; seems after the "improvement" their Hammonds started sounding like ass. Aluminum and titanium make nice, wide-range horn driver diaphragms, it's true, but when you need a roll-off around 7K or so to keep keyclick under control, phenolic is the ticket. But you knew that...right? Sure ya did. If you put a lowpass rolloff in there somewhere you're better off, because a simple RC circuit with a pot will let you dial in the level of clickiness you want, and not just whatever that particular phenolic diaphragm wants to give. You can set it where you like. And when using the Leslie with other instruments like you should be to justify its size, bulk, cost and pain-in-the-ass factor you will enjoy the benefits of treble that doesn't sound like it was coming from a rubber prosthetic pussy. |
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Bob wrote: On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 06:50:20 GMT, Lord Valve wrote: . The signature Hammond "click" which comes from the noise of nine contacts hitting nine bussbars at slightly different times becomes Do they run the audio thru there or a keying voltage? Audio. Hammond keys make a circuit between the tone generators and the preamp. unbearably obtrusive when an extended frequency-response "hi-fi" driver is installed in a Leslie. Could you just roll off the responce with a coil or cap? Yes, but it doesn't sound "right." LV |
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Lord Valve wrote: wrote: Lord Valve wrote: (snip) A legion of pro players disagree. Enjoy jamming in your rec-room, son. Lord Valve Pro Many so-called "pros" don't know their ass from a hole in the ground. 25+ years of dealing with them has proven that to me. Many musicians, good musicians, hear with their eyes and will never admit something is right when their misguided ideas tell them "it must not be" or vice versa. They are worse than audiophiles in that respect. I know guitar players, good guitar players, that believe pre-CBS Strats really are magic and that new ones just couldn't be as good, and thought that despite holding one in their hands and saying "they don't make them like this anymore" completely oblivious to the fact they were in fact holding and picking a parts guitar with a definned Jap neck and a Warmoth body. I've seen it. I've seen guys go on over vintage Marshall cabs with "real Greenbacks" while hearing a Marshall cab alright-loaded with Peavey replaceable-magnet jobs. I like the sound of the Leslie cab better with the good compression driver better personally. Some people might prefer the ****ed-up sound of phenolic and that's their right but they should first hear a hi-fi driver and some proper "tone shaping" (EQ) and decide before they are told which is which, or else admit they are going by rumor and innuendo. If you're such a pro, who is paying your hourly to post on Usenet?? Yeah, sure..... |
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As if stockness were a Leslie virtue in the first place:
"These and other construction details can be critical to the recording engineer because Leslie owners tend to modify their cabinets in various ways. Organ players who kick bass, for example, often don't want chorus or tremolo on the low notes, so they might disable the motor that turns the wooden drum. Other players, for whatever reason, sometimes disable the top motor. Obviously, in either case, the recording engineer who is unaware of the modification is at a disadvantage. If the top motor is disabled, for example, the engineer needs to manually align the sound-producing horn with the mic. Other Leslie mods include mechanically linking the top and bottom rotors so that they turn at the same speed (this gives a more dramatic Leslie sound); switching out the power amp for a more powerful one or disabling it and using an external combo preamp; using different treble and bass drivers (typically because the stock ones were blown); installing a different crossover; or even bi-amping the treble and bass drivers. Although none of these modifications should influence the recording as much as disabling a motor, any will alter the sound and therefore may also affect how you record the Leslie. You may encounter numerous other original Leslie models, including the older models 45, 47, and 22 (which are identical to the 145, 147, and 122 except that they have single-speed rather than dual-speed rotors). Other original Leslie models, such as the 51, do not contain amplifiers and must therefore be connected to an external amp. In addition, since CBS bought the Leslie company in 1965, several new models have been produced, including the 122A, 122XB, and 147A, as well as larger models made for multichannel organs. It is important when recording new or unusual Leslies to survey the construction carefully in case the unit employs a design change (a side-firing woofer, for example) that would affect sound production. Tight Ship Like a neglected drum set that squeaks and rattles each time it is struck, a rickety old Leslie can be a Pandora's box of extraneous noise. Therefore, in addition to checking for any modifications, another important step is to listen carefully to the cabinet while the musician plays at full recording volume. (If the instrument is an organ, make sure the player uses the same drawbar settings that will be used during recording.) If you hear creaking, buzzing, or other unwanted noise-I specify "unwanted" because some of the resonances and distortions produced by a Leslie cabinet may be desirable-have the musician play chromatic scales slowly from lowest note to highest so you can pinpoint the note or notes that set off the noise. If you don't hear the offending sound on single notes, try chords. After determining which note or group of notes cause the noise, locate where the unwanted sound is coming from. The last Leslie I recorded had an obnoxious sympathetic buzz that I traced to some loose wood plies on the bottom-most panel. After discovering that I could stop the buzz with my hand, I put a piece of foam rubber on the spot and weighted it down with a 10-pound dumbbell. That didn't completely stop the buzz, but it did damp it sufficiently for the recording. Other common sources of noise are the Leslie's motors, rotors, belts, and pulleys-any parts that move, basically. Hopefully, the player maintained those mechanical parts well. If not, you need to track down the noises and squelch them or move the microphones back from the source to minimize pickup of the unwanted sound. |
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Lard, you are a douche bag. First, I HAVE played bigger venues than my den-I played keys and bass with rock and country bands as well as worked in a music store repair department for years. Second, an "organist" is a classical, liturgical ('church') theatre or circus/carny performer playing either a real organ-an instrument with pipes and air blowing through them-or a serious emulation thereof (Johannus and Allen, sure, Hammond never). Your beloved Jimmy Smith, who was a bigger prick than you are, was a "jazz organist", in the sense that "jazz organ" is to "organ" as "subway art" is to "art". Now and to the point, it's a fact that a lot of pro musicians have a 'tone' that in my opinion "sounds like ass". So their opinion doesn't necessarily carry a huge amount of weight with me, nor that of some of the techs/modifiers/tonegurus they employ. My aunt plays church organ beautifully and some years ago asked my opinion on getting a home setup, then ignored everything I said and blew an unconscionable amount of my late uncle's money on a piece of **** Lowery (I almost typed 'Lycoming' there it so naturally follows 'piece of ****', I digress). I'd bet even odds the suave, middle-aged salesman gave her a good rogering like Uncle hadn't for twenty years before his death in with the deal, but that's her business, not mine. She's a lovely old gal but she doesn't know **** about electronics, acoustics, timbre, or quality woodwork. "All the pros" meaning "all the pros you listen to and like", I guarantee there are paid working electronic organists (is Bob Ralston still gigging?) that are using something besides Leslies, and to the point, as the previous article I quoted stated, finding a STOCK Leslie is less common than not. Players have been modding the **** out of them for decades. So Lard you just don't impress me. Next, please... |
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Lord Valve wrote: wrote: Lard, you are a douche bag. Now, *there's* a cogent, reasonable technical argument. I concede it's kind of low rent. However, you didn't seem inclined to a serious technical discussion. Still I was using poor social skills. You are an amateur, a musical hobbyist. It's evident in your attitude. I'm a former pro who does something different now because I got tired of dealing with the people I had to deal with. It's a hobby now. You say "hobbyist" like it's a kind of lowlife. First, I HAVE played bigger venues than my den-I played keys and bass with rock and country bands as well as worked in a music store repair department for years. Holy **** - a music store. Well, I guess my ass is kicked. Second, an "organist" is a classical, liturgical ('church') theatre or circus/carny performer playing either a real organ-an instrument with pipes and air blowing through them-or a serious emulation thereof (Johannus and Allen, sure, Hammond never). ROFLMBFAO! Your beloved Jimmy Smith, who was a bigger prick than you are, was a "jazz organist", in the sense that "jazz organ" is to "organ" as "subway art" is to "art". Oh, no - it's Ye Olde Classical Music Snob Routine! You might want to talk to Wynton Marsalis about that, junior. One does not preclude (nor surpass) the other. (I'm sure you'll have trouble with that, but I have my suspicions that if someone put a chart in front of you at a jam session, you'd go completely silent. Right?) Wynton Marsalis is the douchebag of all douchebags! He's worse than everyone else put together! He's a technically pretty good trumpet player that thinks he's also a lot of other things he in no way is. My point is that a Hammond organist is a keyboardist, same as if he played Roland, Korg, rhodes, Farfisa, whatever. The notes are the same, but "organist" implies someone that does something different, not better or worse, just as "pianist" implies someone who has a certain something-Jerry Lee Lewis plays piano exclusively, but I wouldn't call him a pianist. Van Cliburn is a pianist, Oscar Peterson is a pianist. Not Jerry Lee, not Little Richard. I love those guys but they are piano players like Elvis and Johnny Cash were guitar players,i.e. in a rudimentary sense. Ray Manzarek, ? (the 96 Tears guy), Jimmy Destri (who I think is an absolute prince, tried to teach me to shoot pool,with total lack of success...)are all great guys but they aren't _organists_. Now and to the point, it's a fact that a lot of pro musicians have a 'tone' that in my opinion "sounds like ass". So their opinion doesn't necessarily carry a huge amount of weight with me, nor that of some of the techs/modifiers/tonegurus they employ. Which is why you are where you are, and why you'll stay there. Here is okay. I'm happy here. My aunt plays church organ beautifully Damn, now *there's* a solid credential. and some years ago asked my opinion on getting a home setup, then ignored everything I said and blew an unconscionable amount of my late uncle's money on a piece of **** Lowery (I almost typed 'Lycoming' there it so naturally follows 'piece of ****', I digress). I'd bet even odds the suave, middle-aged salesman gave her a good rogering like Uncle hadn't for twenty years before his death in with the deal, but that's her business, not mine. She's a lovely old gal but she doesn't know **** about electronics, acoustics, timbre, or quality woodwork. Runs in the family, I see. Woodwork? ROFLMBFAO! Hey - do you think Stevie Wonder cares about woodwork? Get back to me on that one, won't you? "All the pros" meaning "all the pros you listen to and like", I guarantee there are paid working electronic organists Hey - I thought electronic stuff didn't qualify for the term "organ." Ooops, pardon me - an "organ" is a "serious emulation" of some contraption with pipes and bellows and fans and pumps and whatnot. In fact, it appears that an "organ" is whatever *you* say it is - seein' as how you play country- western and work in a music store and all. Damn, 'scuse me. (is Bob Ralston still gigging?) that are using something besides Leslies, In ballparks, I'm sure. What?? Ballpark organists aren't organists?? Or not pros??? And where does that leave Denny McLain? and to the point, as the previous article I quoted stated, finding a STOCK Leslie is less common than not. No, it isn't. And I'm in the business of modding them, and I'd know. The vast majority of them are in homes and churches, stock as the day they were manufactured. Most of those in homes were bought by people that are dead now and the kids sell them. The home organ generation is the generation that flew B-24s over Ploiesti, and has a tendency to be dead, senile, or perfectly willing to trade the A-100 in on a Lowery because the salesman in the mall said the old Hammonds can't be fixed any more. Players have been modding the **** out of them for decades. So Lard you just don't impress me. Next, please... Sparky, I'm not trying to impress you. I don't give a dead rat's ass if you like me or not. A "serious emulation thereof" is pure flatulence. In fact, the AGO sued Hammond for calling his electronic instrument an organ, back in the thirties. Hammond won. You can spin your bull**** however you'd like. It's abundantly clear that you're not a jazz musician, No. Neither are 80% of the "jazz musicians" out there, I can't stand smooth jazz, fusion, and most hard bop anyway. YMMV. I never said I was a jazz musician. and certainly not of pro caliber at whatever lame **** it is that you do manage to stuble through. The Hammond is inextricably woven into the fabric of American music, from gospel to R&B to jazz and blues to old radio and TV, and the Leslie went right along with it. Laurens Hammond fought it tooth and ****in' nail. And Don Leslie-who I also met, probably at a NAMM show like you probably did, lovely guy, but he thought _nothing_ but an organ sounded good through a Leslie, and he thought tubes were bull**** and everyone should go over to _his_ solid state amp. He was into theater organs and pipes really. I grew up having to listen to all that old gospel radio **** with cheesy Hammond on it to provide emphasis. Most of the time there WAS NO Leslie on it, they had the Hammond tone cab or a homemade DI and went into the board. I used to know people that worked for those outfits. Heresy and ignorance are two different things. I may be a heretic, but I know my ****. I guess I'll go to a special place down there, but, oh well. |
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"but I have my suspicions that if someone put a chart
in front of you at a jam session, you'd go completely silent. Right?" LV wrote: Lord Valve wrote: wrote: Lard, you are a douche bag. Now, *there's* a cogent, reasonable technical argument. I concede it's kind of low rent. However, you didn't seem inclined to a serious technical discussion. Still I was using poor social skills. You are an amateur, a musical hobbyist. It's evident in your attitude. I'm a former pro who does something different now because I got tired of dealing with the people I had to deal with. It's a hobby now. You say "hobbyist" like it's a kind of lowlife. First, I HAVE played bigger venues than my den-I played keys and bass with rock and country bands as well as worked in a music store repair department for years. Holy **** - a music store. Well, I guess my ass is kicked. Second, an "organist" is a classical, liturgical ('church') theatre or circus/carny performer playing either a real organ-an instrument with pipes and air blowing through them-or a serious emulation thereof (Johannus and Allen, sure, Hammond never). ROFLMBFAO! Your beloved Jimmy Smith, who was a bigger prick than you are, was a "jazz organist", in the sense that "jazz organ" is to "organ" as "subway art" is to "art". Oh, no - it's Ye Olde Classical Music Snob Routine! You might want to talk to Wynton Marsalis about that, junior. One does not preclude (nor surpass) the other. (I'm sure you'll have trouble with that, but I have my suspicions that if someone put a chart in front of you at a jam session, you'd go completely silent. Right?) Wynton Marsalis is the douchebag of all douchebags! He's worse than everyone else put together! He's a technically pretty good trumpet player that thinks he's also a lot of other things he in no way is. My point is that a Hammond organist is a keyboardist, same as if he played Roland, Korg, rhodes, Farfisa, whatever. The notes are the same, but "organist" implies someone that does something different, not better or worse, just as "pianist" implies someone who has a certain something-Jerry Lee Lewis plays piano exclusively, but I wouldn't call him a pianist. Van Cliburn is a pianist, Oscar Peterson is a pianist. Not Jerry Lee, not Little Richard. I love those guys but they are piano players like Elvis and Johnny Cash were guitar players,i.e. in a rudimentary sense. Ray Manzarek, ? (the 96 Tears guy), Jimmy Destri (who I think is an absolute prince, tried to teach me to shoot pool,with total lack of success...)are all great guys but they aren't _organists_. Now and to the point, it's a fact that a lot of pro musicians have a 'tone' that in my opinion "sounds like ass". So their opinion doesn't necessarily carry a huge amount of weight with me, nor that of some of the techs/modifiers/tonegurus they employ. Which is why you are where you are, and why you'll stay there. Here is okay. I'm happy here. My aunt plays church organ beautifully Damn, now *there's* a solid credential. and some years ago asked my opinion on getting a home setup, then ignored everything I said and blew an unconscionable amount of my late uncle's money on a piece of **** Lowery (I almost typed 'Lycoming' there it so naturally follows 'piece of ****', I digress). I'd bet even odds the suave, middle-aged salesman gave her a good rogering like Uncle hadn't for twenty years before his death in with the deal, but that's her business, not mine. She's a lovely old gal but she doesn't know **** about electronics, acoustics, timbre, or quality woodwork. Runs in the family, I see. Woodwork? ROFLMBFAO! Hey - do you think Stevie Wonder cares about woodwork? Get back to me on that one, won't you? "All the pros" meaning "all the pros you listen to and like", I guarantee there are paid working electronic organists Hey - I thought electronic stuff didn't qualify for the term "organ." Ooops, pardon me - an "organ" is a "serious emulation" of some contraption with pipes and bellows and fans and pumps and whatnot. In fact, it appears that an "organ" is whatever *you* say it is - seein' as how you play country- western and work in a music store and all. Damn, 'scuse me. (is Bob Ralston still gigging?) that are using something besides Leslies, In ballparks, I'm sure. What?? Ballpark organists aren't organists?? Or not pros??? And where does that leave Denny McLain? and to the point, as the previous article I quoted stated, finding a STOCK Leslie is less common than not. No, it isn't. And I'm in the business of modding them, and I'd know. The vast majority of them are in homes and churches, stock as the day they were manufactured. Most of those in homes were bought by people that are dead now and the kids sell them. The home organ generation is the generation that flew B-24s over Ploiesti, and has a tendency to be dead, senile, or perfectly willing to trade the A-100 in on a Lowery because the salesman in the mall said the old Hammonds can't be fixed any more. Players have been modding the **** out of them for decades. So Lard you just don't impress me. Next, please... Sparky, I'm not trying to impress you. I don't give a dead rat's ass if you like me or not. A "serious emulation thereof" is pure flatulence. In fact, the AGO sued Hammond for calling his electronic instrument an organ, back in the thirties. Hammond won. You can spin your bull**** however you'd like. It's abundantly clear that you're not a jazz musician, No. Neither are 80% of the "jazz musicians" out there, I can't stand smooth jazz, fusion, and most hard bop anyway. YMMV. I never said I was a jazz musician. and certainly not of pro caliber at whatever lame **** it is that you do manage to stuble through. The Hammond is inextricably woven into the fabric of American music, from gospel to R&B to jazz and blues to old radio and TV, and the Leslie went right along with it. Laurens Hammond fought it tooth and ****in' nail. And Don Leslie-who I also met, probably at a NAMM show like you probably did, lovely guy, but he thought _nothing_ but an organ sounded good through a Leslie, and he thought tubes were bull**** and everyone should go over to _his_ solid state amp. He was into theater organs and pipes really. I grew up having to listen to all that old gospel radio **** with cheesy Hammond on it to provide emphasis. Most of the time there WAS NO Leslie on it, they had the Hammond tone cab or a homemade DI and went into the board. I used to know people that worked for those outfits. Heresy and ignorance are two different things. I may be a heretic, but I know my ****. I guess I'll go to a special place down there, but, oh well. |
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Lord Valve wrote: "but I have my suspicions that if someone put a chart in front of you at a jam session, you'd go completely silent. Right?" Sightreading was never my forte, but what the ****, I'd go for it. Usually I avoid playing with jazzbos. They are just not a lot of fun to jam with. |
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wrote in message oups.com... Lord Valve wrote: "but I have my suspicions that if someone put a chart in front of you at a jam session, you'd go completely silent. Right?" Sightreading was never my forte, but what the ****, I'd go for it. Charts, by their very nature, are designed for folks that can't sight read 'legit' music well. (Hell, it's a chart, not the actual notes - More or less.) If ya' can't read or follow a chart - you need some woodshedding. But, you say you'd give it a shot - so that's cool. Charts are pretty easy to follow - except you need to know what it's 'suggesting'. Usually I avoid playing with jazzbos. They are just not a lot of fun to jam with. I find that to be untrue. I, IV, V guys are the least fun. Unless they can bring something to the table. That is...Muddy Waters playing I, IV, V is always fun - however, I sort of understand your point about Jazz. It's not for everyone. Personally, I love jamming Hammond Jazz - although I don't kick pedals. (Wish I did.) Mike T |
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I like Jazz, but I like watching flat track motorcycle racing and
formation aerobatics too, I can't do those either. The "charts" I am familiar with are either fakebook pages, Nashville numbered outlines or else full arrangements intended for playing "on the paper". Let's be honest,. I guarantee Tommy Tedesco or Carol Kaye couldn't have built or fixed their guitars, basses or amps. I couldn't do a credible job of fixing a Fender curved rosewood board neck with a busted truss rod so that no one could tell it was fixed, but I can do 95% of what music stores do and I try to get others to learn and do their own work because 1)it's fun, 2) it gives musicians a sense of independence, and 3) to be honest, I saw a lot of people get ****ed during my music store tenure. If you DIY and you wreck it, fine, but you should have had an idea of what you were doing before. That's why scratchbuilding projects and putting kit guitars together is so great. Lord Valve is implying because I am not a great musician, therefore I must be full of ****. If LV is such a _musical_ talent why don't I hear him on the radio? Of course it would have to be oldies radio...but I'm not that young either,so I'll "let it be". |
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wrote in message ups.com... I like Jazz, but I like watching flat track motorcycle racing and formation aerobatics too, I can't do those either. The "charts" I am familiar with are either fakebook pages, Nashville numbered outlines or else full arrangements intended for playing "on the paper". Let's be honest,. I guarantee Tommy Tedesco or Carol Kaye couldn't have built or fixed their guitars, basses or amps. I couldn't do a credible job of fixing a Fender curved rosewood board neck with a busted truss rod so that no one could tell it was fixed, but I can do 95% of what music stores do and I try to get others to learn and do their own work because 1)it's fun, 2) it gives musicians a sense of independence, and 3) to be honest, I saw a lot of people get ****ed during my music store tenure. If you DIY and you wreck it, fine, but you should have had an idea of what you were doing before. That's why scratchbuilding projects and putting kit guitars together is so great. Lord Valve is implying because I am not a great musician, therefore I must be full of ****. If LV is such a _musical_ talent why don't I hear him on the radio? Of course it would have to be oldies radio...but I'm not that young either,so I'll "let it be". Fair enough. In fact, my only point was charts / fakebooks exist for people that have a *lot* of musical chops in order to do the song justice. I've heard many folks using 'charts' just as a simple 'roadmap' to follow along since they've never heard the song - and have no time or inclination to learn it properly. I'm not saying you're one of these people. As this thread was about Leslie repair - I should have started a new thread - called 'charts' or something. BTW, I can read follow any 'lead sheet / chart' put in front of me - that doesn't make me a good musician either. I know how Nashville Number charts work, but can't follow them worth a damn. Nor could I re-fret a Rosewood Strat. Whatever minimal knowledge I have, just like everybody, they're directly in proportion with my weaknesses or lack of knowledge in other areas. No-one can do everything on a professional level. We all have our own gifts and strengths. Valve can be brusk, but he knows his Toobs. In fact, his self-styled "Lord" moniker is probably well deserved - I don't know how well he plays but that's not my concern either. You seem like a sensible and intelligent guy so don't take the Usenet too seriously - life's too short. Back to lurk mode Mike |
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