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that no one has questions about our compadres in New Orleans who obviously
have to be missing on the forum. During tornadoes in Nashville, through the
9/11 attacks, people here have been aware of what's happening to others
around the nation and have responded with concern. Yet I find nothing here
and we know for a fact that there are those who may need help and not a
single note of concern.

If anyone knows of any of our RAP contributors that needs a place to live
for the next four months or whatever (my true guess is 18 months), whilst
this nation works towards some solution to this problem, I volunteer my
home, even at the expense of my wife becoming incensed about the
possibility. I don't know how anyone would get here, since I live just
outside of DC, but I have no doubts that people who are in such dire
straights cannot go about setting their lives straight without the
deliberate help of others to offer these people a place to start to recover.
It is impossible for anyone to get a job and start to try to recover from
such a tragedy in a shelter such as the Astrodome. It is impossible for
anyone to qualm the fears of their children without stability in their
surroundings. It will be impossible for the nightmares to end without each
and every one of us doing what we can do.

This is one of those times where a CD compilation won't do the job. No
money, however much it could possibly be, will accomplish the goals
necessary. We have to come to a much more human offering, that being a life
to those that now have nothing with which to call a life. I have no clue as
to how my wife and I could accomplish more than an offering of space to live
as limited as that would be, some level of identity for them, and a severly
restricted food supply (we'd have to have less, but they would have more),
but today I heard a woman calling from the Convention Center in N.O. and it
was her second time calling CNN. The first time there were 8 bodies in the
refrigerators. 4 hours later there were 12.

How can we help? Certainly money doesn't do the job, for there are no
places for these people to live, no jobs to go to, no abilities for them to
gain medical attention, and nothing to say that people care. The only
option would be to offer our help in the only way we can. Give people a
place to live so they can try to recover.

I know my wife will kill me for offering, although I see the horror in her
eyes. Then again it means room for one more. I'll be glad to give up my
studio for 18 months if that's what it takes.

Can anyone imagine what toll it would take if New York had to be evacuated?

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio
http://blogs.salon.com/0004478/


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On 9/2/05 2:42 PM, in article , "Roger W.
Norman" wrote:
AND BEARS REPEATING:

If anyone knows of any of our RAP contributors that needs a place to live
for the next four months or whatever (my true guess is 18 months), whilst
this nation works towards some solution to this problem, I volunteer my
home, even at the expense of my wife becoming incensed about the
possibility. I don't know how anyone would get here, since I live just
outside of DC, but I have no doubts that people who are in such dire
straights cannot go about setting their lives straight without the
deliberate help of others to offer these people a place to start to recover.
It is impossible for anyone to get a job and start to try to recover from
such a tragedy in a shelter such as the Astrodome. It is impossible for
anyone to qualm the fears of their children without stability in their
surroundings. It will be impossible for the nightmares to end without each
and every one of us doing what we can do.

This is one of those times where a CD compilation won't do the job. No
money, however much it could possibly be, will accomplish the goals
necessary. We have to come to a much more human offering, that being a life
to those that now have nothing with which to call a life. I have no clue as
to how my wife and I could accomplish more than an offering of space to live
as limited as that would be, some level of identity for them, and a severly
restricted food supply (we'd have to have less, but they would have more),
but today I heard a woman calling from the Convention Center in N.O. and it
was her second time calling CNN. The first time there were 8 bodies in the
refrigerators. 4 hours later there were 12.

How can we help? Certainly money doesn't do the job, for there are no
places for these people to live, no jobs to go to, no abilities for them to
gain medical attention, and nothing to say that people care. The only
option would be to offer our help in the only way we can. Give people a
place to live so they can try to recover


that no one has questions about our compadres in New Orleans who obviously
have to be missing on the forum. During tornadoes in Nashville, through the
9/11 attacks, people here have been aware of what's happening to others
around the nation and have responded with concern. Yet I find nothing here
and we know for a fact that there are those who may need help and not a
single note of concern.


There has been such over on the AMPEX BACKROOM list, as there has been on
The movie production NG (to the amusing consternation of at least one member
who complained that the posts of a poster on the ground there were annoying
and irreleveant... He was shouted down nicely!)
This is hardly the primarily barlike, adult, human and civil forum it once
was and it doesn;t surprise me.


I know my wife will kill me for offering, although I see the horror in her
eyes. Then again it means room for one more. I'll be glad to give up my
studio for 18 months if that's what it takes.

Can anyone imagine what toll it would take if New York had to be evacuated?

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio
http://blogs.salon.com/0004478/



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This is hardly the primarily barlike, adult, human and civil forum it once
was and it doesn;t surprise me.


It infuriates me. What mic should I use to grab the last gasp of life from
the stricken in New Orleans? Or the wail of a 3 year old that hasn't been
fed or given a drink of water in 5 days? Certainly the frequency
requirements suggest that a number of alternatives be considered. Or should
I suggest that the frequency of requirements for support on the American
homefront should have a number of alternatives be considered. Or perhaps
should we even be allowing a $250 Million dollar bridge project in Alaska to
an island of 50 people be part of the pork barrel Transportation bill since
ONE THIRD of that figure would have shored up the levees in and around New
Orleans so that it would have taken a Category 5+ hurricane to do what a
Category 3 (on the western side of the hurricane) did.

So why are there no alternatives considered in how to help these people
recover their lives if mic considerations are appropriate in just the
capturing of sound? Because, perhaps, this President and his official
honchos don't have a clue of what these people's lives were like in the
first place or don't really care? Or is it that the same type of mic is
always in front of their faces because they decide they want to say
something? The SNR of photo ops/news conferences to the dead/dying is
overwhelming. Regardless of whether anyone thinks me a whimp, I cry at
least a couple of times a day when I think of just how bad this is; the loss
of a city renowned for entertainment and what could have been saved had any
of the Administration paid attention to just the possibility of a disaster
waiting to happen on American soil, much less listened to the Army Corps of
Engineers.

I said this on my blog, but since a lot of you don't pay attention (which is
fine) then I'm going to say it now. In the past year the Army Corps of
Engineers stated that the levees have SUNK 4 feet. By my miniscule math
abilities that puts it over 1 foot for every one hundred days during the
last year. It's impossible to NOT notice such a decline in the one level of
protection that New Orleans had over holding the water at bay.

An interesting aside is, here in the DC area, my wife just passed a gas
station with lines up to one mile long. So much for the ability to trust
this Administration and their ability to actually do the business of
government.

Rest gently, America. You won't get a chance soon.

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio
http://blogs.salon.com/0004478/

"SSJVCmag" wrote in message
...
On 9/2/05 2:42 PM, in article , "Roger W.
Norman" wrote:
AND BEARS REPEATING:

If anyone knows of any of our RAP contributors that needs a place to

live
for the next four months or whatever (my true guess is 18 months),

whilst
this nation works towards some solution to this problem, I volunteer my
home, even at the expense of my wife becoming incensed about the
possibility. I don't know how anyone would get here, since I live just
outside of DC, but I have no doubts that people who are in such dire
straights cannot go about setting their lives straight without the
deliberate help of others to offer these people a place to start to

recover.
It is impossible for anyone to get a job and start to try to recover

from
such a tragedy in a shelter such as the Astrodome. It is impossible for
anyone to qualm the fears of their children without stability in their
surroundings. It will be impossible for the nightmares to end without

each
and every one of us doing what we can do.

This is one of those times where a CD compilation won't do the job. No
money, however much it could possibly be, will accomplish the goals
necessary. We have to come to a much more human offering, that being a

life
to those that now have nothing with which to call a life. I have no

clue as
to how my wife and I could accomplish more than an offering of space to

live
as limited as that would be, some level of identity for them, and a

severly
restricted food supply (we'd have to have less, but they would have

more),
but today I heard a woman calling from the Convention Center in N.O. and

it
was her second time calling CNN. The first time there were 8 bodies in

the
refrigerators. 4 hours later there were 12.

How can we help? Certainly money doesn't do the job, for there are no
places for these people to live, no jobs to go to, no abilities for them

to
gain medical attention, and nothing to say that people care. The only
option would be to offer our help in the only way we can. Give people a
place to live so they can try to recover


that no one has questions about our compadres in New Orleans who

obviously
have to be missing on the forum. During tornadoes in Nashville, through

the
9/11 attacks, people here have been aware of what's happening to others
around the nation and have responded with concern. Yet I find nothing

here
and we know for a fact that there are those who may need help and not a
single note of concern.


There has been such over on the AMPEX BACKROOM list, as there has been on
The movie production NG (to the amusing consternation of at least one

member
who complained that the posts of a poster on the ground there were

annoying
and irreleveant... He was shouted down nicely!)
This is hardly the primarily barlike, adult, human and civil forum it once
was and it doesn;t surprise me.


I know my wife will kill me for offering, although I see the horror in

her
eyes. Then again it means room for one more. I'll be glad to give up

my
studio for 18 months if that's what it takes.

Can anyone imagine what toll it would take if New York had to be

evacuated?

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio
http://blogs.salon.com/0004478/





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"Roger W. Norman" wrote in message...

that no one has questions about our compadres in New Orleans who obviously
have to be missing on the forum.


I sent mail to Richard Webb and Jeannie Perkins... got an answer from Jean,
she is fine - lost only the things that were at her work place and a car left
in remote parking for mass transit... house came through fine. Nothing yet
from 'El-Spider'. I don't know anyone else who was for sure there.

DM



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It's the unfortunate process of pork barrel politics rather than actually
taking care of the nation's and the people's business. This is why we are
susceptible to terrorist attacks and have a government that supposes it can
do something with a "war" on terror rather than treating it as a law
enforcement problem.

In other words, it's what the officials want to see it as, rather than being
seen for what it is.

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio
http://blogs.salon.com/0004478/

"Chel van Gennip" wrote in message
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On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 22:10:46 +0200, Roger W. Norman wrote:

This is hardly the primarily barlike, adult, human and civil forum it
once was and it doesn;t surprise me.


It infuriates me. What mic should I use to grab the last gasp of life
from the stricken in New Orleans? Or the wail of a 3 year old that
hasn't been fed or given a drink of water in 5 days?


There is not much we can do from the netherlands, but some specialists are
underway to help with reconstruction of infrastructure. Here we do have a

lot
of experience with living below sealevel. I live about 5m below sealevel.

To say it mildly, I do not understand there are quite a lot of reporters
present, but after all these days even hospitals are without water, food
and other supplies as even insuline. It was clear for some time a disaster
was going to happen and about a week ago it was clear a real big disaster
was heading to this area. Organisation of help should have started when
evacuation of 1.5 million started.

--
Chel van Gennip
Visit Serg van Gennip's site http://www.serg.vangennip.com





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It's nice to know that at least one person is fine.

I urge everyone to figure out what can be done. If someone will sponsor a
family's trip to DC, I'll put them up. It won't be pretty and it won't be
fun. But it can be done and if just a few of us try, we can make a
difference. Any effort makes a difference but money isn't enough. But it's
obvious that nothing the governments do will ever actually help. They may
save some lives, but what lives will they be?

Apparently people all over the country are now responding, regardless of
whether it's to my particular call or not. The idea is that Americans have
to figure out this problem because our government can't. And if that's the
way it's got to be then so be it. Nobody gets off scott free on this one.
Either it costs you in gas, or the loss of seafood, or any number of other
possibilities, or you step up and do something about it thereby making what
you lost feel better because you helped. And even if it costs in food, gas
or other commodities, we have the ability to bring this nation back together
in common cause. Saving lives, saving families, and building on the
foundation of communal togetherness.

As I'm typing Condi Rice is again lying to the American public by making
statements not in evidence, like accepting help from outside sources. From
what I remember just a couple of days ago, Hugo Chavez of Venezula offered
help and was turned down by no communications from the USA at all. The US
has not accepted any help from any agency of any other government in the
world. In the true Cowboy style of this piece of **** President, we'll go
it alone, damned the consequences.

****, what happened to Ain't to Proud to Beg?

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Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio
http://blogs.salon.com/0004478/

"David Morgan (MAMS)" wrote in message
news:WN2Se.58$Sx4.5@trnddc06...

"Roger W. Norman" wrote in message...

that no one has questions about our compadres in New Orleans who obvious

ly
have to be missing on the forum.


I sent mail to Richard Webb and Jeannie Perkins... got an answer from

Jean,
she is fine - lost only the things that were at her work place and a car

left
in remote parking for mass transit... house came through fine. Nothing

yet
from 'El-Spider'. I don't know anyone else who was for sure there.

DM





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"Roger W. Norman" wrote in message
...
It's the unfortunate process of pork barrel politics rather than actually
taking care of the nation's and the people's business. This is why we are
susceptible to terrorist attacks and have a government that supposes it
can
do something with a "war" on terror rather than treating it as a law
enforcement problem.

In other words, it's what the officials want to see it as, rather than
being
seen for what it is.

--


I woke up this morning thinking "it is day five (four?) and in Southeast
Asia, by now we had tent cities going up". Here, we have an administration
treating it as if it is still a temporary, short term problem. Let's face
it folks, these New Orleans people have lost their homes -- a half-million
of them -- most forever (think of the health problem when they finally get
there homes drained after two - three months of soaking - they simply won't
be habitable.). Many will have no jobs. Right now many are dying, but even
if they are relocated to stadiums, what are they to do? They need some
privacy, food, a place to bathe, schools for their kids, places to file
paperwork. They need tent cities and schools and hospitals. But the
administration has shown little evidence that it has even begun to think
that way. We have a major refugee problem on our hands that is going to
last years.

Perhaps the two ex-Presidents will be able to see more clearly than the
current inhabitant.

He was on the news today, telling the victims "I'm satisfied with the
actions we are taking, although I am not happy about the results to date".
What bull****. Just what they wanted to hear! If he had any courage, he'd
have taken a half dozen secret servicemen, left Karl Rove behind (who staged
the incident with the weeping mothers) and set his copter down by the
SuperDome. Then he would have reamed a half-dozen asses and put Bill
Clinton in charge of the recovery with full authority to act.


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While I think there are much better people to take charge of such a disaster
than Clinton, I will agree that if you substitute another person, **** could
get done. I'd have had about ten heads about now and our National Guard
would be moving in regardless of the possibility of their being assualted by
snipers and such. Get the job done. It has to be done. If we can send
National Guard into Iraq on a lie, well, this is not a lie. This NEEDS to
be done regardless of the consequences to the troops. I hate to say it, but
one cannot suggest that any one American in service to America is more
important than the people that American troops are there to protect. It's
part of the life we spend/t as part of the American support system. If this
Administration hadn't chosen to send a large portion of our National Guard
to Iraq, we'd have had this under control.

Bush must have ****ed his pants.

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio
http://blogs.salon.com/0004478/

"Harry Lavo" wrote in message
...

"Roger W. Norman" wrote in message
...
It's the unfortunate process of pork barrel politics rather than

actually
taking care of the nation's and the people's business. This is why we

are
susceptible to terrorist attacks and have a government that supposes it
can
do something with a "war" on terror rather than treating it as a law
enforcement problem.

In other words, it's what the officials want to see it as, rather than
being
seen for what it is.

--


I woke up this morning thinking "it is day five (four?) and in Southeast
Asia, by now we had tent cities going up". Here, we have an

administration
treating it as if it is still a temporary, short term problem. Let's face
it folks, these New Orleans people have lost their homes -- a half-million
of them -- most forever (think of the health problem when they finally get
there homes drained after two - three months of soaking - they simply

won't
be habitable.). Many will have no jobs. Right now many are dying, but

even
if they are relocated to stadiums, what are they to do? They need some
privacy, food, a place to bathe, schools for their kids, places to file
paperwork. They need tent cities and schools and hospitals. But the
administration has shown little evidence that it has even begun to think
that way. We have a major refugee problem on our hands that is going to
last years.

Perhaps the two ex-Presidents will be able to see more clearly than the
current inhabitant.

He was on the news today, telling the victims "I'm satisfied with the
actions we are taking, although I am not happy about the results to date".
What bull****. Just what they wanted to hear! If he had any courage,

he'd
have taken a half dozen secret servicemen, left Karl Rove behind (who

staged
the incident with the weeping mothers) and set his copter down by the
SuperDome. Then he would have reamed a half-dozen asses and put Bill
Clinton in charge of the recovery with full authority to act.




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Well, I can't believe I've gotten only a couple of responses, mostly from
people that know me, but I'm now going to try to get in touch with
authorities to get a family here to offer them shelter. New Orleans is
going to burn to the waterline. My wife and I are going to step forward,
and I hope that some of you will follow suit.

I'll keep you appraised.

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio
http://blogs.salon.com/0004478/

"Roger W. Norman" wrote in message
...
that no one has questions about our compadres in New Orleans who obviously
have to be missing on the forum. During tornadoes in Nashville, through

the
9/11 attacks, people here have been aware of what's happening to others
around the nation and have responded with concern. Yet I find nothing

here
and we know for a fact that there are those who may need help and not a
single note of concern.

If anyone knows of any of our RAP contributors that needs a place to live
for the next four months or whatever (my true guess is 18 months), whilst
this nation works towards some solution to this problem, I volunteer my
home, even at the expense of my wife becoming incensed about the
possibility. I don't know how anyone would get here, since I live just
outside of DC, but I have no doubts that people who are in such dire
straights cannot go about setting their lives straight without the
deliberate help of others to offer these people a place to start to

recover.
It is impossible for anyone to get a job and start to try to recover from
such a tragedy in a shelter such as the Astrodome. It is impossible for
anyone to qualm the fears of their children without stability in their
surroundings. It will be impossible for the nightmares to end without

each
and every one of us doing what we can do.

This is one of those times where a CD compilation won't do the job. No
money, however much it could possibly be, will accomplish the goals
necessary. We have to come to a much more human offering, that being a

life
to those that now have nothing with which to call a life. I have no clue

as
to how my wife and I could accomplish more than an offering of space to

live
as limited as that would be, some level of identity for them, and a

severly
restricted food supply (we'd have to have less, but they would have more),
but today I heard a woman calling from the Convention Center in N.O. and

it
was her second time calling CNN. The first time there were 8 bodies in

the
refrigerators. 4 hours later there were 12.

How can we help? Certainly money doesn't do the job, for there are no
places for these people to live, no jobs to go to, no abilities for them

to
gain medical attention, and nothing to say that people care. The only
option would be to offer our help in the only way we can. Give people a
place to live so they can try to recover.

I know my wife will kill me for offering, although I see the horror in her
eyes. Then again it means room for one more. I'll be glad to give up my
studio for 18 months if that's what it takes.

Can anyone imagine what toll it would take if New York had to be

evacuated?

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio
http://blogs.salon.com/0004478/




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I've not found a responsible agency that would put me into touch with anyone
that could use moving out of New Orleans. I find this stupidity. The city
is going to burn to the ground or at least to the water line. And there's
no response, no matter how I try, to come up with a contact to bring any
family up from New Orleans, nor anyone that wants to take responsibility for
accepting the help my wife and I have chosen to give. This is outlandish.
The President simply used the entire situation as a photo op. I am offering
a possible solution.

I am daunted by the impossibility to actually give help. But I will try
again. I'm going to try by starting to contact Greyhound to move families
to people interested in giving people homes for the short term, but more
importantly, getting them to commit to moving the people away from where
they are the most affected by what is happening to their city. After that,
I will start calling other businesses to see whether it's possible to move
people. It's a holiday weekend and this morning my local TV news broadcast
was talking about people going to the beaches. I doubt this is the case.
Who, in their right minds, could walk away from this problem without wanting
to help?

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio
http://blogs.salon.com/0004478/

"Roger W. Norman" wrote in message
...
Well, I can't believe I've gotten only a couple of responses, mostly from
people that know me, but I'm now going to try to get in touch with
authorities to get a family here to offer them shelter. New Orleans is
going to burn to the waterline. My wife and I are going to step forward,
and I hope that some of you will follow suit.

I'll keep you appraised.

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio
http://blogs.salon.com/0004478/

"Roger W. Norman" wrote in message
...
that no one has questions about our compadres in New Orleans who

obviously
have to be missing on the forum. During tornadoes in Nashville, through

the
9/11 attacks, people here have been aware of what's happening to others
around the nation and have responded with concern. Yet I find nothing

here
and we know for a fact that there are those who may need help and not a
single note of concern.

If anyone knows of any of our RAP contributors that needs a place to

live
for the next four months or whatever (my true guess is 18 months),

whilst
this nation works towards some solution to this problem, I volunteer my
home, even at the expense of my wife becoming incensed about the
possibility. I don't know how anyone would get here, since I live just
outside of DC, but I have no doubts that people who are in such dire
straights cannot go about setting their lives straight without the
deliberate help of others to offer these people a place to start to

recover.
It is impossible for anyone to get a job and start to try to recover

from
such a tragedy in a shelter such as the Astrodome. It is impossible for
anyone to qualm the fears of their children without stability in their
surroundings. It will be impossible for the nightmares to end without

each
and every one of us doing what we can do.

This is one of those times where a CD compilation won't do the job. No
money, however much it could possibly be, will accomplish the goals
necessary. We have to come to a much more human offering, that being a

life
to those that now have nothing with which to call a life. I have no

clue
as
to how my wife and I could accomplish more than an offering of space to

live
as limited as that would be, some level of identity for them, and a

severly
restricted food supply (we'd have to have less, but they would have

more),
but today I heard a woman calling from the Convention Center in N.O. and

it
was her second time calling CNN. The first time there were 8 bodies in

the
refrigerators. 4 hours later there were 12.

How can we help? Certainly money doesn't do the job, for there are no
places for these people to live, no jobs to go to, no abilities for them

to
gain medical attention, and nothing to say that people care. The only
option would be to offer our help in the only way we can. Give people a
place to live so they can try to recover.

I know my wife will kill me for offering, although I see the horror in

her
eyes. Then again it means room for one more. I'll be glad to give up

my
studio for 18 months if that's what it takes.

Can anyone imagine what toll it would take if New York had to be

evacuated?

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio
http://blogs.salon.com/0004478/








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On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 17:20:25 -0400, Harry Lavo wrote:

Perhaps the two ex-Presidents will be able to see more clearly than the
current inhabitant.


Well, maybe one of them. Don't forget he learned everything he knows from
the other.
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Well, you can't get there from here. There are no responsible agencies that
take calls, no places to call other than if you have relatives, and no way
to try to offer help on a personal basis.

Now I recognize that a lot is going on, but there should always be an avenue
of communications that allows the individual to help, even if it takes
deliving into the most basic layers of a website, but even with direct calls
to FEMA and other bodies, no one wants to allow for the possibility that the
average American can help. This is stupidity in it's purest form. After
some 2 hours of trying to work the phones, calling everyone I can get a hold
of, I have nothing. It's not possible for the average American to help.

I realize that the time frames of my posts don't support the 2 hours of
effort, but believe me, I've spent a lot more time than two hours. By the
time any of us can get to help these people they will be beyond help. At
that point it doesn't make any difference whether you and I are willing to
provide homes. It becomes a moot point. Seems the federal government
thinks they have it all under contoll. I can't even get in touch with the
Govenor of Louisiana nor any of her cohorts. Not saying that any of her
cohorts should be answering the calls, but at least they should be answering
the questions if it means even on family saved.

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"Roger W. Norman" wrote in message
...
I've not found a responsible agency that would put me into touch with

anyone
that could use moving out of New Orleans. I find this stupidity. The

city
is going to burn to the ground or at least to the water line. And there's
no response, no matter how I try, to come up with a contact to bring any
family up from New Orleans, nor anyone that wants to take responsibility

for
accepting the help my wife and I have chosen to give. This is outlandish.
The President simply used the entire situation as a photo op. I am

offering
a possible solution.

I am daunted by the impossibility to actually give help. But I will try
again. I'm going to try by starting to contact Greyhound to move families
to people interested in giving people homes for the short term, but more
importantly, getting them to commit to moving the people away from where
they are the most affected by what is happening to their city. After

that,
I will start calling other businesses to see whether it's possible to move
people. It's a holiday weekend and this morning my local TV news

broadcast
was talking about people going to the beaches. I doubt this is the case.
Who, in their right minds, could walk away from this problem without

wanting
to help?

--


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http://blogs.salon.com/0004478/

"Roger W. Norman" wrote in message
...
Well, I can't believe I've gotten only a couple of responses, mostly

from
people that know me, but I'm now going to try to get in touch with
authorities to get a family here to offer them shelter. New Orleans is
going to burn to the waterline. My wife and I are going to step

forward,
and I hope that some of you will follow suit.

I'll keep you appraised.

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio
http://blogs.salon.com/0004478/

"Roger W. Norman" wrote in message
...
that no one has questions about our compadres in New Orleans who

obviously
have to be missing on the forum. During tornadoes in Nashville,

through
the
9/11 attacks, people here have been aware of what's happening to

others
around the nation and have responded with concern. Yet I find nothing

here
and we know for a fact that there are those who may need help and not

a
single note of concern.

If anyone knows of any of our RAP contributors that needs a place to

live
for the next four months or whatever (my true guess is 18 months),

whilst
this nation works towards some solution to this problem, I volunteer

my
home, even at the expense of my wife becoming incensed about the
possibility. I don't know how anyone would get here, since I live

just
outside of DC, but I have no doubts that people who are in such dire
straights cannot go about setting their lives straight without the
deliberate help of others to offer these people a place to start to

recover.
It is impossible for anyone to get a job and start to try to recover

from
such a tragedy in a shelter such as the Astrodome. It is impossible

for
anyone to qualm the fears of their children without stability in their
surroundings. It will be impossible for the nightmares to end without

each
and every one of us doing what we can do.

This is one of those times where a CD compilation won't do the job.

No
money, however much it could possibly be, will accomplish the goals
necessary. We have to come to a much more human offering, that being

a
life
to those that now have nothing with which to call a life. I have no

clue
as
to how my wife and I could accomplish more than an offering of space

to
live
as limited as that would be, some level of identity for them, and a

severly
restricted food supply (we'd have to have less, but they would have

more),
but today I heard a woman calling from the Convention Center in N.O.

and
it
was her second time calling CNN. The first time there were 8 bodies

in
the
refrigerators. 4 hours later there were 12.

How can we help? Certainly money doesn't do the job, for there are no
places for these people to live, no jobs to go to, no abilities for

them
to
gain medical attention, and nothing to say that people care. The only
option would be to offer our help in the only way we can. Give people

a
place to live so they can try to recover.

I know my wife will kill me for offering, although I see the horror in

her
eyes. Then again it means room for one more. I'll be glad to give up

my
studio for 18 months if that's what it takes.

Can anyone imagine what toll it would take if New York had to be

evacuated?

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yeah.. blame this president you think is an idiot for everything under the
sun.

At least you're doing your part.

Of course, he'll have to take credit for every sunny day also.



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"Roger W. Norman" wrote in message
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Well, you can't get there from here. There are no responsible agencies

that
take calls, no places to call other than if you have relatives, and no way
to try to offer help on a personal basis.


TRY SENDING CASH.

:|



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Obviously you didn't understand the idea that cash was not a solution to a
problem. Perhaps you believe spending money on a problem you don't
understand should produce more reasonable results? Like if your recording
isn't good enough moving to 24/96 is the answer? Correct me if I'm wrong,
but cash doesn't get to the people, and everything I've said about getting a
job, the length of the problem, and working on how children perceive what's
happening didn't touch you.

I guess this proves that idiots are born every minute. I just didn't expect
to get one.

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"Jona Vark" wrote in message
. ..

"Roger W. Norman" wrote in message
...
Well, you can't get there from here. There are no responsible agencies

that
take calls, no places to call other than if you have relatives, and no

way
to try to offer help on a personal basis.


TRY SENDING CASH.

:|







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"Agent 86" wrote in message
news
On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 17:20:25 -0400, Harry Lavo wrote:

Perhaps the two ex-Presidents will be able to see more clearly than the
current inhabitant.


Well, maybe one of them. Don't forget he learned everything he knows from
the other.


Frankly, I'd take either of the two ex's over this dumbass anyway. But at
least Clinton can think into and through a problem and make personal
decisions as a leader. Moreover, he has a common touch. He would be down
there learning firsthand what needed done and leading from a forward
position. Symbolically, Bush just "flew over" N.O. on day 2, when landing
might actually have given him some insight. But there was no script to
follow, so.........


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Name me a sunny day. I'm not blaming Bush because he's stupid. I'm saying
he's stupid because of his actions. You take that whatever way you
determine. But show me a sunny day under the Bush Administration. Read my
blog. Do some research. Then eat my shorts.

--


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http://blogs.salon.com/0004478/

"Jona Vark" wrote in message
. ..
yeah.. blame this president you think is an idiot for everything under the
sun.

At least you're doing your part.

Of course, he'll have to take credit for every sunny day also.





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And besides, **** the reprisals. How about ponying up with a place to give
people to live? You want to support this President, fine. Do something
about the problem. I've offered. What have you done? Send cash?

--


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"Jona Vark" wrote in message
. ..
yeah.. blame this president you think is an idiot for everything under the
sun.

At least you're doing your part.

Of course, he'll have to take credit for every sunny day also.





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On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 22:50:39 GMT, "Jona Vark" wrote:


"Roger W. Norman" wrote in message
...
Well, you can't get there from here. There are no responsible agencies

that
take calls, no places to call other than if you have relatives, and no way
to try to offer help on a personal basis.


TRY SENDING CASH.

:|


I'm not all that comfortable with just sending cash. I also feel
compelled to find a way to go down there and help out in some
constructive way. I'm way up here in canada and I'd be willing to
shelter people if need be.


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"Roger W. Norman" wrote in message
...
And besides, **** the reprisals. How about ponying up with a place to

give
people to live? You want to support this President, fine. Do something
about the problem. I've offered. What have you done? Send cash?

--



I am not so stupid as to offer my home to someone who didn't even have a car
to get the **** out of N.O.

Given the choice of DC or N.O. some may think N.O. is safer.

You KNOW not a soul will be able to take you up on your offer so it is
empty. I am not impressed at all.

I sent Cash to the Red Cross. You may want to do the same.

This doesn't have a damn thing to do with George Bush.

It is New Orleans that is at fault here. Not the President.











Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio
http://blogs.salon.com/0004478/

"Jona Vark" wrote in message
. ..
yeah.. blame this president you think is an idiot for everything under

the
sun.

At least you're doing your part.

Of course, he'll have to take credit for every sunny day also.









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"Harry Lavo" wrote in message
...

"Agent 86" wrote in message
news
On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 17:20:25 -0400, Harry Lavo wrote:

Perhaps the two ex-Presidents will be able to see more clearly than the
current inhabitant.


Well, maybe one of them. Don't forget he learned everything he knows

from
the other.


Frankly, I'd take either of the two ex's over this dumbass anyway. But at
least Clinton can think into and through a problem and make personal
decisions as a leader.



Clinton EVADED every important decision and left it for the next guy. Who
are you kidding?



Moreover, he has a common touch. He would be down
there learning firsthand what needed done and leading from a forward
position.


Yeah.. he commonly touched every woman he could.

You don't have to go there to learn what needs to be done. That's the job of
FEMA and the city of N.O.

That's why there is more than ONE person in government. DUH.





Symbolically, Bush just "flew over" N.O. on day 2, when landing
might actually have given him some insight. But there was no script to
follow, so.........








I have yet to hear ONE reason why the President should have landed in N.O.
Exactly what is it you are expecting him to do? Take up vast security
resources which could be used saving lives? Sure.. if he DID go into N.O.
you would be whining about that.


Give it up.




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"Roger W. Norman" wrote in message
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Obviously you didn't understand the idea that cash was not a solution to a
problem. Perhaps you believe spending money on a problem you don't
understand should produce more reasonable results? Like if your recording
isn't good enough moving to 24/96 is the answer? Correct me if I'm wrong,
but cash doesn't get to the people, and everything I've said about getting

a
job, the length of the problem, and working on how children perceive

what's
happening didn't touch you.

I guess this proves that idiots are born every minute. I just didn't

expect
to get one.




What on earth are you talking about? 24/96? That's your analogy? That's
weak. There are many problems that can be solved with a higher sample rate
and wider data width. Otherwise we'd all be working at 44.1/16.

Look.. why don't you DRIVE down there in a van and pick up some people to
come and live in your house?

The Red Cross and other relief organizations need money and blood. Not extra
space in DC.

You're the idiot here.





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"banjaxed" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 22:50:39 GMT, "Jona Vark" wrote:


"Roger W. Norman" wrote in message
...
Well, you can't get there from here. There are no responsible agencies

that
take calls, no places to call other than if you have relatives, and no

way
to try to offer help on a personal basis.


TRY SENDING CASH.

:|


I'm not all that comfortable with just sending cash. I also feel
compelled to find a way to go down there and help out in some
constructive way. I'm way up here in canada and I'd be willing to
shelter people if need be.



Send it to the Red Cross. You can always send cash AND go pick up a family
to come and live with you.. (sheesh)


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See "Typical Fighting and Blaming!" for a link to help with housing.

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"Roger W. Norman" wrote in message
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Name me a sunny day. I'm not blaming Bush because he's stupid. I'm

saying
he's stupid because of his actions. You take that whatever way you
determine. But show me a sunny day under the Bush Administration. Read

my
blog. Do some research. Then eat my shorts.


Your blog is nothing more than a liberal sore loser rant on the rabid left's
Salon.com. Irrelevant as a fart in the wind.

blog.. what a joke.






--


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"Jona Vark" wrote in message
. ..
yeah.. blame this president you think is an idiot for everything under

the
sun.

At least you're doing your part.

Of course, he'll have to take credit for every sunny day also.









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On 9/2/05 7:59 PM, in article ,
"Jona Vark" wrote:


I am not so stupid as to offer my home to someone who didn't even have a car
to get the **** out of N.O.


A true aristocrat...



You KNOW not a soul will be able to take you up on your offer so it is
empty. I am not impressed at all.


You know no such thing.. But blather on...


This doesn't have a damn thing to do with George Bush.

It is New Orleans that is at fault here. Not the President.


Damn it I really am sorry this is so long but it's warrented by the
addlepated prattling of folks like Jona here...

Month-sold issues and quotes
ABOUT WHAT THE PRESIDENT DID
follow:
-----------------------
I've been here over 30 years and I've never seen this level of reduction,
said Al Naomi, project manager for the New Orleans district. I think part of
the problem is it's not so much the reduction, it's the drastic reduction in
one fiscal year. It's the immediacy of the reduction that I think is the
hardest thing to adapt to.

There is an economic ripple effect, too. The cuts mean major hurricane and
flood protection projects will not be awarded to local engineering firms.
Also, a study to determine ways to protect the region from a Category 5
hurricane has been shelved for now.
------------------------------------
.... after 2003, the flow of federal dollars toward SELA dropped to
a trickle. The Corps (ARMY ENIGINEERS) never tried to hide the fact that
the
spending pressures of the war in Iraq, as well as homeland
security -- coming at the same time as federal tax cuts -- was the
reason for the strain. At least nine articles in the
Times-Picayune from 2004 and 2005 specifically cite the cost of
Iraq as a reason for the lack of hurricane- and flood-control
dollars.

In early 2004, as the cost of the conflict in Iraq soared,
President Bush proposed spending less than 20 percent of what the
Corps said was needed for Lake Pontchartrain,
....
"It
appears that the money has been moved in the president's budget to
handle homeland security and the war in Iraq, and I suppose that's
the price we pay. Nobody locally is happy that the levees can't be
finished, and we are doing everything we can to make the case that
this is a security issue for us."

Also that June, with the 2004 hurricane season starting, the
Corps' project manager Al Naomi went before a local agency, the
East Jefferson Levee Authority, and essentially begged
....
"The system is in great shape, but the levees are sinking.
Everything is sinking, and if we don't get the money fast enough
to raise them, then we can't stay ahead of the settlement," he
said. "The problem that we have isn't that the levee is low, but
that the federal funds have dried up so that we can't raise them."

(by) July 1, 2004, ... stretches of the
levee in Metairie had sunk by four feet. ... The levee board noted in
October 2004 that the feds were also now not paying for a
hoped-for $15 million project to better shore up the banks of Lake
Pontchartrain.

The 2004 hurricane season was the worst in decades. In spite
of that, the federal government came back this spring with the
steepest reduction in hurricane and flood-control funding for New
Orleans in history. Because of the proposed cuts, the Corps office
there imposed a hiring freeze. Officials said that money targeted
for the SELA project -- $10.4 million, down from $36.5 million --
was not enough to start any new jobs.

There was, at the same time, a growing recognition that more
research was needed to see what New Orleans must do to protect
itself from a Category 4 or 5 hurricane. But once again, the money
was not there. As the Times-Picayune reported last Sept. 22:

"That second study would take about four years to complete and
would cost about $4 million, said Army Corps of Engineers project
manager Al Naomi. About $300,000 in federal money was proposed for
the 2005 fiscal-year budget, and the state had agreed to match
that amount. But the cost of the Iraq war forced the Bush
administration to order the New Orleans district office not to
begin any new studies, and the 2005 budget no longer includes the
needed money, he said."
....
One project that a contractor had been racing to finish this
summer: a bridge and levee job right at the 17th Street Canal,
site of the main breach on Monday.

The Newhouse News Service article published Tuesday night
observed, "The Louisiana congressional delegation urged Congress
earlier this year to dedicate a stream of federal money to
Louisiana's coast, only to be opposed by the White House. ... In
its budget, the Bush administration proposed a significant
reduction in funding for southeast Louisiana's chief hurricane
protection project. Bush proposed ... a sixth of what
local officials say they need."

Local officials are now saying, the article reported, that had
Washington heeded their warnings about the dire need for hurricane
protection, including building up levees and repairing barrier
islands, "the damage might not have been nearly as bad as it
turned out to be."
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I think you can ask around as to my veracity. One family saved is one
family saved. You have bought lollipops at the store to distribute to the
kids of Iraq. Cool. Now they need dentists.

And it is Bush's legacy of budgets since 2001 that have left New Orleans to
this fate. You may think you are right, but then again so does Bush.

$10.2 million this year for levee support. Five years ago it was $76
million. And the levees sinking a foot per 100 days. You figure it out, if
you have the brains. Or better yet, figure out how high your cats have to
jump to get out of the swamp each year. Either way, you are wrong and so
was Bush.

A lot of us have spoken to the misapplied funds of this Administration's
budgets. If you haven't been paying attention, then this is your wakeup
call.

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SirMusic Studio
http://blogs.salon.com/0004478/

"Jona Vark" wrote in message
.. .

"Roger W. Norman" wrote in message
...
And besides, **** the reprisals. How about ponying up with a place to

give
people to live? You want to support this President, fine. Do something
about the problem. I've offered. What have you done? Send cash?

--



I am not so stupid as to offer my home to someone who didn't even have a

car
to get the **** out of N.O.

Given the choice of DC or N.O. some may think N.O. is safer.

You KNOW not a soul will be able to take you up on your offer so it is
empty. I am not impressed at all.

I sent Cash to the Red Cross. You may want to do the same.

This doesn't have a damn thing to do with George Bush.

It is New Orleans that is at fault here. Not the President.











Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio
http://blogs.salon.com/0004478/

"Jona Vark" wrote in message
. ..
yeah.. blame this president you think is an idiot for everything under

the
sun.

At least you're doing your part.

Of course, he'll have to take credit for every sunny day also.









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My blog is a well thought out offering of the options. You, however, seem
to want to believe in something that has a dead city with people dying every
hour. But that's ok. They are poor black people and the world is better
off without them, right?

Try answering my blog point by point rather than your joke of a post here
when what I'm doing is trying to energize people towards doing the right
thing. Even if you won't open up your house to strangers, why don't you
shut the **** up? It's not up to you whether others do what they deem
correct and I realize what's at stake for them. So do they. You, however,
simply want to say "NO" because that's your right. So be it. If you say
no, then do so quietly because I'm not interested in people that won't help.
I'm interested in people that will.

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio
http://blogs.salon.com/0004478/

"Jona Vark" wrote in message
...

"Roger W. Norman" wrote in message
...
Name me a sunny day. I'm not blaming Bush because he's stupid. I'm

saying
he's stupid because of his actions. You take that whatever way you
determine. But show me a sunny day under the Bush Administration. Read

my
blog. Do some research. Then eat my shorts.


Your blog is nothing more than a liberal sore loser rant on the rabid

left's
Salon.com. Irrelevant as a fart in the wind.

blog.. what a joke.






--


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SirMusic Studio
http://blogs.salon.com/0004478/

"Jona Vark" wrote in message
. ..
yeah.. blame this president you think is an idiot for everything under

the
sun.

At least you're doing your part.

Of course, he'll have to take credit for every sunny day also.









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"SSJVCmag" wrote in message
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On 9/2/05 7:59 PM, in article ,
"Jona Vark" wrote:


I am not so stupid as to offer my home to someone who didn't even have a

car
to get the **** out of N.O.


A true aristocrat...


You're confused there. Re-read it .. I didn;t say I wouldn;t offer my home I
said it is an empty offer.





You KNOW not a soul will be able to take you up on your offer so it is
empty. I am not impressed at all.


You know no such thing.. But blather on...


What.. you think the Coast Guard is going to start flying people to homes
across America?

This CAN'T be that hard to understand.




This doesn't have a damn thing to do with George Bush.

It is New Orleans that is at fault here. Not the President.



Damn it I really am sorry this is so long but it's warrented by the
addlepated prattling of folks like Jona here...




N.O. has had the last 60 years or so to prepare for a cat 4 or 5 hurricane.
Blaming this one on the current administration is simply foolish. How do you
even know the designs and work could have even been done by now? Why didn't
prior Presidents fix New Orlean's problem? See how foolish it is to try and
place blame for natural disasters?





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Duh? Good answer from a twenty something that has not had his brain turned
on yet.

Don't bother to answer again because when it comes down to it, you make
yourself look worse by doing so.

All those that will help will, and people like you won't, but you'll wished
you did if you become the victims.

Enough said because you have no legs to stand on.

--


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SirMusic Studio
http://blogs.salon.com/0004478/

"Jona Vark" wrote in message
.. .

"Harry Lavo" wrote in message
...

"Agent 86" wrote in message
news
On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 17:20:25 -0400, Harry Lavo wrote:

Perhaps the two ex-Presidents will be able to see more clearly than

the
current inhabitant.

Well, maybe one of them. Don't forget he learned everything he knows

from
the other.


Frankly, I'd take either of the two ex's over this dumbass anyway. But

at
least Clinton can think into and through a problem and make personal
decisions as a leader.



Clinton EVADED every important decision and left it for the next guy. Who
are you kidding?



Moreover, he has a common touch. He would be down
there learning firsthand what needed done and leading from a forward
position.


Yeah.. he commonly touched every woman he could.

You don't have to go there to learn what needs to be done. That's the job

of
FEMA and the city of N.O.

That's why there is more than ONE person in government. DUH.





Symbolically, Bush just "flew over" N.O. on day 2, when landing
might actually have given him some insight. But there was no script to
follow, so.........








I have yet to hear ONE reason why the President should have landed in N.O.
Exactly what is it you are expecting him to do? Take up vast security
resources which could be used saving lives? Sure.. if he DID go into N.O.
you would be whining about that.


Give it up.






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On 9/2/05 8:20 PM, in article ,
"Jona Vark" wrote:

Your blog is nothing more than a liberal sore loser rant on the rabid left's
Salon.com. Irrelevant as a fart in the wind.

blog.. what a joke.


Anybody catch that this whiner seems to have forgotten to point us to
-their- seminal, concise, wise and ballanced essays...

Anybody know who the new trolltwerp is?
Feeding time's over.


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"Roger W. Norman" wrote in message
...
My blog is a well thought out offering of the options. You, however, seem
to want to believe in something that has a dead city with people dying

every
hour. But that's ok. They are poor black people and the world is better
off without them, right?


Typical left winger. Try not to act like a racist ok? It is out of place
here. The CBC is doing a good job of that. No need for you to chime in. I
don't think we mentioned black people.





\
Try answering my blog point by point rather than your joke of a post here
when what I'm doing is trying to energize people towards doing the right
thing.


It isn;t worth the effort.


Even if you won't open up your house to strangers, why don't you
shut the **** up?


That's classy.
You're confused. I never said I would NOT open my house up to someone. BUT
IF THEY CAN'T GET HERE it is an empty offer.. to make you feel better?


It's not up to you whether others do what they deem
correct and I realize what's at stake for them. So do they. You,

however,
simply want to say "NO" because that's your right. So be it. If you say
no, then do so quietly because I'm not interested in people that won't

help.
I'm interested in people that will.


I have already sent thousands. You are blogging and blaming and making empty
offers.

I am sure N.O. thanks you for that.


blogs.. whatever.




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"Jona Vark" wrote in message
...

"Roger W. Norman" wrote in message
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Name me a sunny day. I'm not blaming Bush because he's stupid. I'm

saying
he's stupid because of his actions. You take that whatever way you
determine. But show me a sunny day under the Bush Administration.

Read
my
blog. Do some research. Then eat my shorts.


Your blog is nothing more than a liberal sore loser rant on the rabid

left's
Salon.com. Irrelevant as a fart in the wind.

blog.. what a joke.






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"Jona Vark" wrote in message
. ..
yeah.. blame this president you think is an idiot for everything

under
the
sun.

At least you're doing your part.

Of course, he'll have to take credit for every sunny day also.











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I think you can ask around as to my veracity. One family saved is one
family saved. You have bought lollipops at the store to distribute to the
kids of Iraq. Cool. Now they need dentists.


put the pipe down. I can't recall sending lollipops anywhere.



And it is Bush's legacy of budgets since 2001 that have left New Orleans

to
this fate. You may think you are right, but then again so does Bush.


I know I am right.

$10.2 million this year for levee support. Five years ago it was $76
million. And the levees sinking a foot per 100 days. You figure it out,

if
you have the brains. Or better yet, figure out how high your cats have to
jump to get out of the swamp each year. Either way, you are wrong and so
was Bush.


The levees are needed because of the destruction of the natural sediment
buildup from the river.making it safe and deep enough for river traffic
Making bigger levees won't do ****. They will still sink.




A lot of us have spoken to the misapplied funds of this Administration's
budgets. If you haven't been paying attention, then this is your wakeup
call.


LOL!


You need to spend a day or two thinking about something other than Bush.

I've had enough leftist pulp for one day.

see ya.


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"Jona Vark" wrote in message
.. .

"Roger W. Norman" wrote in message
...
And besides, **** the reprisals. How about ponying up with a place to

give
people to live? You want to support this President, fine. Do

something
about the problem. I've offered. What have you done? Send cash?

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I am not so stupid as to offer my home to someone who didn't even have a

car
to get the **** out of N.O.

Given the choice of DC or N.O. some may think N.O. is safer.

You KNOW not a soul will be able to take you up on your offer so it is
empty. I am not impressed at all.

I sent Cash to the Red Cross. You may want to do the same.

This doesn't have a damn thing to do with George Bush.

It is New Orleans that is at fault here. Not the President.











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"Jona Vark" wrote in message
. ..
yeah.. blame this president you think is an idiot for everything

under
the
sun.

At least you're doing your part.

Of course, he'll have to take credit for every sunny day also.












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Jona, if you were any good, you could work at 16/44.1 too. But you can't
can you? Just like you can't argue a case. Just because I chose to offer
my home to a family that might need it, you chose to think that I won't come
up with a donation or that's it's a hollow offer? You, sir, are the idiot
you represent. People know what I stand for. People know that I will do
what I say. Show the compassion instead of the money, because the money is
as easy as sending a check, and offering any family 18 months of a place to
live is more than you could possibly understand. ****, you probably
couldn't go day to day with the same attitude, much less such a committment.
Hell, I bet you don't even own your own house, so you couldn't possibly
offer someone 18 months of shelter. But I do. And I can. And when I do
it's for real.

You are lower than the belly of a worm on a rain soaked day. Send your
money. I'm sure it will help. And 18 months from now when people still
don't have homes just **** off, ok. In the meantime, I will do what I can
to get a family here to live their lives and get back on their feet. You,
however, can die when a natural disaster comes your way. Or, if it so
happens that we have another one and I make the same offer, even if it's
you, I'll extend the same to you. Or maybe just to your family. You, if
you want to get in, can suck dick and then I'll turn you away for being a
homosexual.

So live with that. Or better yet, try to learn from it. It's about time
that someone learned something.

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"Jona Vark" wrote in message
...

"Roger W. Norman" wrote in message
...
Obviously you didn't understand the idea that cash was not a solution to

a
problem. Perhaps you believe spending money on a problem you don't
understand should produce more reasonable results? Like if your

recording
isn't good enough moving to 24/96 is the answer? Correct me if I'm

wrong,
but cash doesn't get to the people, and everything I've said about

getting
a
job, the length of the problem, and working on how children perceive

what's
happening didn't touch you.

I guess this proves that idiots are born every minute. I just didn't

expect
to get one.




What on earth are you talking about? 24/96? That's your analogy? That's
weak. There are many problems that can be solved with a higher sample rate
and wider data width. Otherwise we'd all be working at 44.1/16.

Look.. why don't you DRIVE down there in a van and pick up some people to
come and live in your house?

The Red Cross and other relief organizations need money and blood. Not

extra
space in DC.

You're the idiot here.









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Duh? Good answer from a twenty something that has not had his brain

turned
on yet.

Again.. your debating tactics are very poor. Perhaps back to your blog where
it is more of a one-sided converstaion?




Don't bother to answer again because when it comes down to it, you make
yourself look worse by doing so.


empty.



All those that will help will, and people like you won't, but you'll

wished
you did if you become the victims.


You might have missed the fact that I gave to the Red Cross. You on the
other hand are writing in a blog no one will ever see.


Enough said because you have no legs to stand on.


emptier.

I see you're drained. Clean empty of worthwhile things to say.



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"Jona Vark" wrote in message
.. .

"Harry Lavo" wrote in message
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"Agent 86" wrote in message
news On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 17:20:25 -0400, Harry Lavo wrote:

Perhaps the two ex-Presidents will be able to see more clearly than

the
current inhabitant.

Well, maybe one of them. Don't forget he learned everything he knows

from
the other.

Frankly, I'd take either of the two ex's over this dumbass anyway.

But
at
least Clinton can think into and through a problem and make personal
decisions as a leader.



Clinton EVADED every important decision and left it for the next guy.

Who
are you kidding?



Moreover, he has a common touch. He would be down
there learning firsthand what needed done and leading from a forward
position.


Yeah.. he commonly touched every woman he could.

You don't have to go there to learn what needs to be done. That's the

job
of
FEMA and the city of N.O.

That's why there is more than ONE person in government. DUH.





Symbolically, Bush just "flew over" N.O. on day 2, when landing
might actually have given him some insight. But there was no script

to
follow, so.........








I have yet to hear ONE reason why the President should have landed in

N.O.
Exactly what is it you are expecting him to do? Take up vast security
resources which could be used saving lives? Sure.. if he DID go into

N.O.
you would be whining about that.


Give it up.








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You mean that? I didn't find anything under that with google.

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"SSJVCmag" wrote in message
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On 9/2/05 8:20 PM, in article ,
"Jona Vark" wrote:

Your blog is nothing more than a liberal sore loser rant on the rabid

left's
Salon.com. Irrelevant as a fart in the wind.

blog.. what a joke.


Anybody catch that this whiner seems to have forgotten to point us to
-their- seminal, concise, wise and ballanced essays...


Yes.. nowdays you can't even discuss anything unless you write long winded
empty essays. Or blogs ... I am an engineer not a journalist.





Anybody know who the new trolltwerp is?
Feeding time's over.


Hey! someone else started this OT thread. Did you expect everyone to agree
in it?








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What an ass. Who here wouldn't send money to the Red Cross for this?

Geez, what an ass. Sheesh.

You haven't understood a thing I've said, have you, wax for ears. The funny
thing is that you are READING this, not listening to it.

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"Jona Vark" wrote in message
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"banjaxed" wrote in message
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On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 22:50:39 GMT, "Jona Vark" wrote:


"Roger W. Norman" wrote in message
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Well, you can't get there from here. There are no responsible

agencies
that
take calls, no places to call other than if you have relatives, and

no
way
to try to offer help on a personal basis.


TRY SENDING CASH.

:|


I'm not all that comfortable with just sending cash. I also feel
compelled to find a way to go down there and help out in some
constructive way. I'm way up here in canada and I'd be willing to
shelter people if need be.



Send it to the Red Cross. You can always send cash AND go pick up a family
to come and live with you.. (sheesh)




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Jona, if you were any good, you could work at 16/44.1 too. But you can't
can you?



Are we reaching now? I think so.. pretty poor for a master blogger.






Just like you can't argue a case. Just because I chose to offer
my home to a family that might need it, you chose to think that I won't

come
up with a donation or that's it's a hollow offer?


yup.

You, sir, are the idiot


yak.


you represent. People know what I stand for. People know that I will do
what I say. Show the compassion instead of the money, because the money

is
as easy as sending a check, and offering any family 18 months of a place

to
live is more than you could possibly understand. ****, you probably
couldn't go day to day with the same attitude, much less such a

committment.
Hell, I bet you don't even own your own house, so you couldn't possibly
offer someone 18 months of shelter. But I do. And I can. And when I do
it's for real.


You're a real piece of work. Now you're going to ask me to tell you if I own
a house or not?

I own more than my own house. Raised three kids in it. In one of the most
expensive places on the planet.

You're really reaching again. It's pretty sad, really.







You are lower than the belly of a worm on a rain soaked day. Send your
money. I'm sure it will help.


done that. Your turn now.



And 18 months from now when people still
don't have homes just **** off, ok.


So grab a ****ing hammer and join Habitat for Humanity.



In the meantime, I will do what I can
to get a family here to live their lives and get back on their feet.


Sure.. and you can get 'em jobs and pay for hospitalization, food and
everything!

Well.. you be sure and update us on your quest.


You, if
you want to get in, can suck dick and then I'll turn you away for being a
homosexual.


You're just about the classiest there is.










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"Jona Vark" wrote in message
...

"Roger W. Norman" wrote in message
...
Obviously you didn't understand the idea that cash was not a solution

to
a
problem. Perhaps you believe spending money on a problem you don't
understand should produce more reasonable results? Like if your

recording
isn't good enough moving to 24/96 is the answer? Correct me if I'm

wrong,
but cash doesn't get to the people, and everything I've said about

getting
a
job, the length of the problem, and working on how children perceive

what's
happening didn't touch you.

I guess this proves that idiots are born every minute. I just didn't

expect
to get one.




What on earth are you talking about? 24/96? That's your analogy? That's
weak. There are many problems that can be solved with a higher sample

rate
and wider data width. Otherwise we'd all be working at 44.1/16.

Look.. why don't you DRIVE down there in a van and pick up some people

to
come and live in your house?

The Red Cross and other relief organizations need money and blood. Not

extra
space in DC.

You're the idiot here.









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