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What will replace the CD?
There have been a number of articles recently discussing the death of the
CD, and wondering what might replace it commercially. Some of the possibilities discussed are flash memory, downloading a la iPod, or even sending info directly to the brain. Let's ignore this latter, since it's not presently possible, and attempt to answer the question of what might actually take the place of CDs. A successful replacement will have to have all the features of a CD, but solve a few of the CD's drawbacks. Among these are the following: 1. Not long enough playing time, as is evidenced by the large number of multi-CD sets on the market. 2. Too large. A 12cm disc will not fit in the pocket conveniently. Furthermore, the players are too large; they should be about the size of a minidisc player. 3. Stereo only. A new standard should allow for multi-channel playback. A replacement technology should solve all these problems, while preserving the good features of the CD, notably: 1. Extremely high fidelity 2. Very low manufacturing cost 3. Easily adapted to home recording How would you suggest solving the problems of the CD and preserving its features? If you have a suggestion, please respond. Norm Strong |
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normanstrong wrote ...
There have been a number of articles recently discussing the death of the CD, and wondering what might replace it commercially. Some of the possibilities discussed are flash memory, downloading a la iPod, or even sending info directly to the brain. Let's ignore this latter, since it's not presently possible, and attempt to answer the question of what might actually take the place of CDs. A successful replacement will have to have all the features of a CD, but solve a few of the CD's drawbacks. Among these are the following: 1. Not long enough playing time, as is evidenced by the large number of multi-CD sets on the market. 2. Too large. A 12cm disc will not fit in the pocket conveniently. Furthermore, the players are too large; they should be about the size of a minidisc player. 3. Stereo only. A new standard should allow for multi-channel playback. You are looking at from the consumer POV. If you were looking from the label POV, you would have included... 4. Unencrypted. Trivial to rip and re-purpose content beyond any control of the owner of the intellectual property. 5. Unprotected. No way to control who/how/where content is used. No way to protect unauthorized copying, transmission, etc. 6. Quality level beyond requirements. Wasted space with uncompressed recording. Too easy to compress to MP3, etc. MP3 is now the "standard". Anything beyond that only of interest to fringe (and unprofitable) audiphile market. And likely others I didn't think of at the moment. Just playing devil's advocate here. Don't kill the messenger. :-) |
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On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 10:33:26 -0700, wrote:
1. Not long enough playing time, as is evidenced by the large number of multi-CD sets on the market. Disagree. MultiCD sets are in the minority compared to single CD releases, so increased playing is not a big issue. In fact, it may be a disadvantage as artists will be stressed to fill it up and pressured by buyers who insist on it being filled. Besides, see (2)...... 2. Too large. A 12cm disc will not fit in the pocket conveniently. Furthermore, the players are too large; they should be about the size of a minidisc player. OK. Not a biggy for me but there's no downside to this. However, if the data capacity is increased substantially, one might hope for equal or more capacity here than for the current discs. 3. Stereo only. A new standard should allow for multi-channel playback. New? Pick one and standardize it. The problem isn't a lack of suitable multichannel formats but the confusion of having too many. The average user just wants to know that "it will play in my VCR" or equivalent. A replacement technology should solve all these problems, while preserving the good features of the CD, notably: 1. Extremely high fidelity 2. Very low manufacturing cost 3. Easily adapted to home recording Agreed. Credit card-size optical discs with the option of being dual sided. Of course, with the appropriate players, SD cards might be even better. Kal |
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"Jan Holm" said:
Cant remember where but I read an interview with Mr Gates stating that Blue Ray / HD DVD will be the last physical format. From then on youll be streaming from your own server or a central server via cable or air. I dont often agree with Gates but I'm in on this one ! How will you play your music in the car? Not that I won't agree with your (or Billy's) conclusions, but there has to be some concensus on the format and coding/decoding of portable sources. Or should we just connect a multi-format card reader to the USB connector on our car radio (already possible and done, you will note). -- "All amps sound alike, but some sound more alike than others". |
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What will replace the CD?
"Richard Crowley" wrote in message ... normanstrong wrote ... There have been a number of articles recently discussing the death of the CD, and wondering what might replace it commercially. Some of the possibilities discussed are flash memory, downloading a la iPod, or even sending info directly to the brain. Let's ignore this latter, since it's not presently possible, and attempt to answer the question of what might actually take the place of CDs. A successful replacement will have to have all the features of a CD, but solve a few of the CD's drawbacks. Among these are the following: 1. Not long enough playing time, as is evidenced by the large number of multi-CD sets on the market. 2. Too large. A 12cm disc will not fit in the pocket conveniently. Furthermore, the players are too large; they should be about the size of a minidisc player. 3. Stereo only. A new standard should allow for multi-channel playback. You are looking at from the consumer POV. If you were looking from the label POV, you would have included... 4. Unencrypted. Trivial to rip and re-purpose content beyond any control of the owner of the intellectual property. 5. Unprotected. No way to control who/how/where content is used. No way to protect unauthorized copying, transmission, etc. 6. Quality level beyond requirements. Wasted space with uncompressed recording. Too easy to compress to MP3, etc. MP3 is now the "standard". Anything beyond that is only of interest to the fringe (and unprofitable) audiophile market. And likely others I didn't think of at the moment. Just playing devil's advocate here. Don't kill the messenger. :-) Those are excellent points--all of them. My guess is that protection will be overlaid on the other requirements of the new protocol, in the commercial market at least. Norm |
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On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 20:06:06 +0200, Jan Holm wrote:
wrote A replacement technology should solve all these problems, while preserving the good features of the CD, notably: Cant remember where but I read an interview with Mr Gates stating that Blue Ray / HD DVD will be the last physical format. From then on youll be streaming from your own server or a central server via cable or air. I dont often agree with Gates but I'm in on this one ! Gates and his ilk would like to see the end of owning copies and the end of transfering ownership. His dream world is one in which you have to pay every time you play and where you always pay full list price. |
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What will replace the CD?
IMHO nothing will replace the CD. What do we need CD for? I'm not using CDs or DVDs from more than 2 months. The CD was primarly intended ad a delivery media, to be sold as vinyl records or audio cassettes. Now we have huge memory space and super fast speed for exchanging data without using a physic media. The real question could be: what format will replace 16bit Stereo 44.1KHz? F. |
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What will replace the CD?
"AZ Nomad" wrote in message... Gates and his ilk would like to see the end of owning copies and the end of transfering ownership. His dream world is one in which you have to pay every time you play and where you always pay full list price. Pure conjecture. |
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What will replace the CD?
"Federico" wrote ...
IMHO nothing will replace the CD. What do we need CD for? I'm not using CDs or DVDs from more than 2 months. The CD was primarly intended ad a delivery media, to be sold as vinyl records or audio cassettes. Now we have huge memory space and super fast speed for exchanging data without using a physic media. If it is "psychic", you don't need physical media, or even wires or RF! :-) The real question could be: what format will replace 16bit Stereo 44.1KHz? 240KBPS MP3 :-) or the equivalent DRM-protected format(s) |
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What will replace the CD?
In rec.audio.misc Jan Holm wrote:
wrote A replacement technology should solve all these problems, while preserving the good features of the CD, notably: Cant remember where but I read an interview with Mr Gates stating that Blue Ray / HD DVD will be the last physical format. From then on youll be streaming from your own server or a central server via cable or air. 640K is all anyone will ever need... |
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"Richard Crowley" wrote in message ... "David Morgan (MAMS)" wrote ... "AZ Nomad" wrote in message... Gates and his ilk would like to see the end of owning copies and the end of transfering ownership. His dream world is one in which you have to pay every time you play and where you always pay full list price. Pure conjecture. I believe Gates has said essentially that on the record. (Except maybe not the part about "full list price" except implicitly. :-) ;-) I'm aware of his views on streaming, not on pricing. |
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What will replace the CD?
On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:38:44 GMT, David Morgan (MAMS) wrote:
"AZ Nomad" wrote in message... Gates and his ilk would like to see the end of owning copies and the end of transfering ownership. His dream world is one in which you have to pay every time you play and where you always pay full list price. Pure conjecture. You've never heard of DRM? |
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"AZ Nomad" wrote in message where you always pay full list price. Pure conjecture. You've never heard of DRM? What's the suggested retail price for that ?? ;-) |
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What will replace the CD?
"Kalman Rubinson" wrote in message ... On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 10:33:26 -0700, wrote: 1. Not long enough playing time, as is evidenced by the large number of multi-CD sets on the market. Disagree. MultiCD sets are in the minority compared to single CD releases, so increased playing is not a big issue. In fact, it may be a disadvantage as artists will be stressed to fill it up and pressured by buyers who insist on it being filled. Besides, see (2)...... Good points. I was looking it it from my point of view. I listen to classical music, and much of what I listen to requires more than a single CD. I just took a look at my collection and added up the number of selections that require more than one CD, but fewer than 4. 28% of my collection falls into that category. But you're right. For the general public it's a non-issue, and there is definitely a downside due to the customer's demands that the discs be filled. The solution will eventually be a new pricing model, based on duration rather than number of pieces of product 2. Too large. A 12cm disc will not fit in the pocket conveniently. Furthermore, the players are too large; they should be about the size of a minidisc player. OK. Not a biggy for me but there's no downside to this. However, if the data capacity is increased substantially, one might hope for equal or more capacity here than for the current discs. 3. Stereo only. A new standard should allow for multi-channel playback. New? Pick one and standardize it. The problem isn't a lack of suitable multichannel formats but the confusion of having too many. The average user just wants to know that "it will play in my VCR" or equivalent. It's a fact that there is no choice in the current CDs. You get stereo; that's it. A replacement technology should solve all these problems, while preserving the good features of the CD, notably: 1. Extremely high fidelity 2. Very low manufacturing cost 3. Easily adapted to home recording Agreed. Credit card-size optical discs with the option of being dual sided. Of course, with the appropriate players, SD cards might be even better. Double-sided discs, credit card size, is an excellent suggestion. Flash memory sounds good in theory, but the cost of manufacture is not going to be even close to what's needed for the forseeable future. We need something close to 10 cents--not 10 dollars! The solution that appeals most to me is the 8cm DVD. It will hold twice as much data as a CD, it's already a standard, and it costs practically nothing to manufacture. Anyone with a DVD player can play one. I believe all players must play 48k/16 bit PCM and 448kb/s Dolby Digital. The only product development necessary would be portable players optimized for 8cm discs. Double sided and 2-layer discs are added possibilities. Norm Strong |
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The replacement is here already - a digital file that is stored on whatever digital storage media happens to be lying around. Get rid of the notion that a recording needs to be distributed as a physical object. snip //Walt BINGO! Agreed Mark |
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Sander deWaal wrote:
"Jan Holm" said: Cant remember where but I read an interview with Mr Gates stating that Blue Ray / HD DVD will be the last physical format. From then on youll be streaming from your own server or a central server via cable or air. I dont often agree with Gates but I'm in on this one ! How will you play your music in the car? Through your new 4G phone and Bluetooth. 4G data rates are targeted at 20 Mb/s. --RY |
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wrote in message . .. The solution that appeals most to me is the 8cm DVD. It will hold twice as much data as a CD, it's already a standard, and it costs practically nothing to manufacture. Anyone with a DVD player can play one. I believe all players must play 48k/16 bit PCM and 448kb/s Dolby Digital. The only product development necessary would be portable players optimized for 8cm discs. Double sided and 2-layer discs are added possibilities. Wouldn't appeal to the record labels. Breaking the copy protection on DVD's is as easy as downloading something like DVD Decrypter or DVD Shrink. Record companies want new copy protection schemes that are far better than DVD. Ideally, they want something that can never be circumvented. Jeff -- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - B. Franklin, Bartlett's Familiar Quotations (1919) |
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What will replace the CD?
"Randy Yates" wrote in message ups.com... wrote: There have been a number of articles recently discussing the death of the CD, and wondering what might replace it commercially. If the CD dies, it's death won't be caused by consumers but rather by media moguls who have nothing but $$ signs in their eyes. The CD is not dead. In fact, just the opposite is true - DVD/Audio and SACD are dying. True. The masses have decided that it's not worth spending the money on anything with higher quality than DVD. There is, however, a growing market for lower quality in the form of music downloads in lossy compressed formats. As more people abandon hard media formats in favor of music downloads, the demand for *any* hard media format will continue to drop. Jeff -- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - B. Franklin, Bartlett's Familiar Quotations (1919) |
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On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:55:57 GMT, David Morgan (MAMS) wrote:
"Richard Crowley" wrote in message ... "David Morgan (MAMS)" wrote ... "AZ Nomad" wrote in message... Gates and his ilk would like to see the end of owning copies and the end of transfering ownership. His dream world is one in which you have to pay every time you play and where you always pay full list price. Pure conjecture. I believe Gates has said essentially that on the record. (Except maybe not the part about "full list price" except implicitly. :-) ;-) I'm aware of his views on streaming, not on pricing. If you can only get authority to play the media from the original copyright holder then there can be no price discounting. I've yet to see transfer of ownership practiced in any with with DRM and it's ilk. You won't see any second hand sales and you won't see any discounting. |
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On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 19:45:43 GMT, David Morgan (MAMS) wrote:
"AZ Nomad" wrote in message.. If you can only get authority to play the media from the original copyright holder then there can be no price discounting. I've yet to see transfer of ownership practiced in any with with DRM and it's ilk. You won't see any second hand sales and you won't see any discounting. Do you buy your music now or steal it all ?? grow up. If you buy it, what's your beef? My problem is playback choices. I will not tolerate having to repurchase all my music every time I buy a new playback device. You might not mind being a music industry whore, but not everybody is as stupid as you. I will not tolerate being denied the ability to permenantly own my purchases, or to buy or sell secondhand. |
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The masses have decided that it's not worth spending the money on
anything with higher quality than CD. I don't think that's true. It is only a problem of space (memory) and speed (delivery). Years ago speed was slow and memory was expensive, so MP3-128Kb/s was ok. Now we have terabyte big HD and Cable (imagin what will it be in 5 years from now). So we can start using .wav files-16 bit. In 5 years we could be exchanging 24bits files 96KHz just like we do now with MP3. F. |
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"David Morgan (MAMS)" wrote ...
"AZ Nomad" wrote in message where you always pay full list price. Pure conjecture. You've never heard of DRM? What's the suggested retail price for that ?? Whatever the owners of the "R" say it is. But you knew that. |
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"AZ Nomad" wrote in message ... On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 19:45:43 GMT, David Morgan (MAMS) ... Do you buy your music now or steal it all ?? grow up. Growing up is answering the question. I have no problem with doing what ever I choose to do with the music that I buy on compact disc. What seems to be your issue with that ? If you buy it, what's your beef? My problem is playback choices. Your problem appears to be one of not being able to circumvent DRM if it's ever made to actually work. So far, it's a failure, and Sony will tell you that it's no breeze to defend. I will not tolerate having to repurchase all my music every time I buy a new playback device. I don't get it... again, I have no problem putting the music I own onto any format I choose to. You might not mind being a music industry whore, but not everybody is as stupid as you. A-hah.... Now the truth of your real 'issue' really surfaces. I will not tolerate being denied the ability to permenantly own my purchases, Deal with it when it happens.... right now it's a fairy tale. I own all of my music, movies, DVDs, etc., and I have no problem with that level of ownership. or to buy or sell secondhand. Then buy hard copies of the real thing at retail price... poof! It's yours !!!! Certain rights come with that purchase, the main one being ownership and the right to transfer, and in many cases the right to make a copy. |
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"Richard Crowley" wrote in message... DRM What's the suggested retail price for that ?? Whatever the owners of the "R" say it is. But you knew that. Rights? Who has rights? ;-) |
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On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 20:25:12 GMT, David Morgan (MAMS) wrote:
"AZ Nomad" wrote in message ... On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 19:45:43 GMT, David Morgan (MAMS) ... Do you buy your music now or steal it all ?? grow up. Growing up is answering the question. I have no problem with doing what ever I choose to do with the music that I buy on compact disc. What seems to be your issue with that ? If you buy it, what's your beef? My problem is playback choices. Your problem appears to be one of not being able to circumvent DRM if it's ever made to actually work. So far, it's a failure, and Sony will tell you that it's no breeze to defend. Your obsession with stealing music speaks volumes. Why aren't you in the habit of buying legal copies? |
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Richard Crowley wrote:
"Federico" wrote ... The real question could be: what format will replace 16bit Stereo 44.1KHz? 240KBPS MP3 :-) or the equivalent DRM-protected format(s) Was Devo ahead of their time or what? //Walt |
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What will replace the CD?
Jan Holm wrote:
"Walt" wrote The replacement is here already - a digital file that is stored on whatever digital storage media happens to be lying around. Get rid of the notion that a recording needs to be distributed as a physical object. I want everything I own, everywhere I am, any time I want. No digital media "lying arround" will handle this. No everyone is going to have a media server at home. This will be connected to the internet - at your fingertip constantly. I think we're basically saying the same thing - the replacement "unit" is a digital file which is not tied to any particular physical location. The technology for moving those bits around so that you can have them whereever you want is subject to some evolution, but the replacement for the CD is here now. //Walt // // unfortunately an infererior format is currently the most popular |
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On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 15:48:25 -0500, Babaganoosh wrote:
I don't download music (I either buy the CD or go without) for these reasons: - I am opposed, on principle, to DRM. I'm not if only DRM is as flexible as real ownership. That must include: permenant ownership not bound to a particular device transfer of ownership with the price determined by owner, not copyright holder use on any device the owner posesses |
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"AZ Nomad" wrote in message ... On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 20:25:12 GMT, David Morgan (MAMS) wrote: "AZ Nomad" wrote in message ... On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 19:45:43 GMT, David Morgan (MAMS) ... Do you buy your music now or steal it all ?? grow up. Growing up is answering the question. I have no problem with doing what ever I choose to do with the music that I buy on compact disc. What seems to be your issue with that ? If you buy it, what's your beef? My problem is playback choices. Your problem appears to be one of not being able to circumvent DRM if it's ever made to actually work. So far, it's a failure, and Sony will tell you that it's no breeze to defend. Your obsession with stealing music speaks volumes. Why aren't you in the habit of buying legal copies? Duhhh..... What? |
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"Richard Crowley" wrote in message... And better hope your hard drive doesn't crash or there goes your investment in DRM content. :-( Maybe that's where I'm falling short in this conversation.... I don't have anything on my hard drive (or I-Pod or ther 'fad' protable device) that I'm not working on for a client. I buy CDs and DVDs, I don't play the silly software games. DM |
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wrote in message . .. There have been a number of articles recently discussing the death of the CD, and wondering what might replace it commercially. Some of the possibilities discussed are flash memory, downloading a la iPod, or even sending info directly to the brain. Let's ignore this latter, since it's not presently possible, and attempt to answer the question of what might actually take the place of CDs. A successful replacement will have to have all the features of a CD, but solve a few of the CD's drawbacks. Among these are the following: 1. Not long enough playing time, as is evidenced by the large number of multi-CD sets on the market. 2. Too large. A 12cm disc will not fit in the pocket conveniently. Furthermore, the players are too large; they should be about the size of a minidisc player. 3. Stereo only. A new standard should allow for multi-channel playback. A replacement technology should solve all these problems, while preserving the good features of the CD, notably: 1. Extremely high fidelity 2. Very low manufacturing cost 3. Easily adapted to home recording How would you suggest solving the problems of the CD and preserving its features? If you have a suggestion, please respond. **It's already happening. Ipods and other MP3 style devices will kill off DCs very quickly. I have one which is around half the size of a matchbox and can store 20 CDs worth of music in solid state memory. It can record and has an FM tuner too. All for 80 Bucks. In a few years solid state memory will be cheap enough for producers to sell directly, though I suspect pay-for-download seems to be the way of the future. Like it or not. The MP3 generation will decide which way it goes. -- Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 10:33:26 -0700, normanstrong wrote: A successful replacement will have to have all the features of a CD, but solve a few of the CD's drawbacks. Among these are the following: 1. Not long enough playing time, as is evidenced by the large number of multi-CD sets on the market. There's too damn much playing time already. Twenty song releases have become de rigueur. Most bands don't have twenty good songs throughout their entire career, for crying out loud! I say let's get back to 8-10 song releases of real music and kill the publishers' cash cow. 2. Too large. A 12cm disc will not fit in the pocket conveniently. Furthermore, the players are too large; they should be about the size of a minidisc player. I dunno, I used to like being able to read an LP cover without a magnifier. Album cover design used to be an art form unto itself, but it died when CDs displaced LPs. Personally, I think we are the worse for it. 3. Stereo only. A new standard should allow for multi-channel playback. Whatever. The fact is, stereo really does model the way musical performance is experienced by the audience much better than multichannel. That experiment was tried (and failed) back in the 1970s. (Of course, that was before the typical consumer blindly swallowed whatever BS the mainstream media belched in their direction.) Multichannel is fine for movies, but for music, stereo is not only adequate, it's the way it really should be done. A replacement technology should solve all these problems, while preserving the good features of the CD, notably: 1. Extremely high fidelity 2. Very low manufacturing cost 3. Easily adapted to home recording I don't think the major labels will go for anything easily adapted to home recording. |
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Anyone here heard of the DVD? And the upcoming HD DVD?
-- DaveW ---------------- wrote in message . .. There have been a number of articles recently discussing the death of the CD, and wondering what might replace it commercially. Some of the possibilities discussed are flash memory, downloading a la iPod, or even sending info directly to the brain. Let's ignore this latter, since it's not presently possible, and attempt to answer the question of what might actually take the place of CDs. A successful replacement will have to have all the features of a CD, but solve a few of the CD's drawbacks. Among these are the following: 1. Not long enough playing time, as is evidenced by the large number of multi-CD sets on the market. 2. Too large. A 12cm disc will not fit in the pocket conveniently. Furthermore, the players are too large; they should be about the size of a minidisc player. 3. Stereo only. A new standard should allow for multi-channel playback. A replacement technology should solve all these problems, while preserving the good features of the CD, notably: 1. Extremely high fidelity 2. Very low manufacturing cost 3. Easily adapted to home recording How would you suggest solving the problems of the CD and preserving its features? If you have a suggestion, please respond. Norm Strong |
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What will replace the CD?
On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 23:36:44 +0100, Signal wrote:
" emitted : There have been a number of articles recently discussing the death of the CD, and wondering what might replace it commercially. Some of the possibilities discussed are flash memory, downloading a la iPod, or even sending info directly to the brain. Let's ignore this latter, since it's not presently possible, and attempt to answer the question of what might actually take the place of CDs. A successful replacement will have to have all the features of a CD, but solve a few of the CD's drawbacks. Among these are the following: 1. Not long enough playing time, as is evidenced by the large number of multi-CD sets on the market. 2. Too large. A 12cm disc will not fit in the pocket conveniently. Furthermore, the players are too large; they should be about the size of a minidisc player. 3. Stereo only. A new standard should allow for multi-channel playback. A replacement technology should solve all these problems, while preserving the good features of the CD, notably: 1. Extremely high fidelity 2. Very low manufacturing cost 3. Easily adapted to home recording How would you suggest solving the problems of the CD and preserving its features? If you have a suggestion, please respond. Norm Strong Tape. Got loads of pre-recorded OPEN REEL Quad tapes Got Laser Disc *This is the only format with *any* form of copy guard Got CD4 Quad Disc (and some SQ and QS matrix ) Got even more pre-recorded quarter track Stereo tapes Got Mono LP's Got Stereo LP's Under DRM type rules, I can only play them in their native media format (if I can continue to get the equipment to work in the future) Other formats I have owned. Muntz cartridge (automobile player) 8-track Car and desktop Compact Cassette Gee I missed buying Beta-tape, RCA's Video disk format (can't remember its name) Note every one of these media changes was by my choice (mostly) and in every case except the Muntz, the company that released them is still in business today. As I understand the law,it does not matter which media format I choose to play them with AS LONG AS I retain the original and do not use another format at the same time. Which seems a little extreme as I can play any over Multiple displays and speakers located in various rooms within my house. |
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What will replace the CD?
Yes, a DVD can hold about 60 hours of good quality MP3, a dual layer even over 100 hours. Some players do play MP3 on DVD. Here's a list of DVD players and their capabilities for anyone interested. http://www.videohelp.com/dvdplayers.php? |
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What will replace the CD?
My guess is that the CD is just too convenient, workable, and cost effective (and well entrenched) to be removed from the picture for some time. Unlike the LP record, which had huge disadvantages that made it an unhappy medium for lots of people, the CD remains an advanced way for people to conveniently enjoy music on home-audio systems. Vinyl records were massively entrenched and are still in the picture now, unlike other technolgies which have come & gone, or are on their way out. Can any other technology boast of being playable still in 100 years? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinyl_record#History Cheers, Ric |
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What will replace the CD?
"Albatross" wrote ...
Vinyl records were massively entrenched and are still in the picture now, unlike other technolgies which have come & gone, or are on their way out. Can any other technology boast of being playable still in 100 years? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinyl_record#History Writing/printing on paper? Oil paintings? Photography? :-) |
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