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Acoustic Guitar: Stereo mic'ing vs double take?
I am recording acoustic guitar. I currently have a Studio Projects C1 that I
think sounds quite nice. Much better than my royer r121. I now am looking to try a small condenser. The question is, to get a very full, rich acoustic sound in stereo, what is preferred: 1. stereo mic'ing with matched pair 2. using single mic and recording two takes, panning left and right, different placement for the the two takes. I ask because I want to know if I should spend around $500 for an mk012 matched pair, or just get one km184. -brian |
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Acoustic Guitar: Stereo mic'ing vs double take?
"Brian" wrote in message s.com... I am recording acoustic guitar. I currently have a Studio Projects C1 that I think sounds quite nice. Much better than my royer r121. I now am looking to try a small condenser. The question is, to get a very full, rich acoustic sound in stereo, what is preferred: 1. stereo mic'ing with matched pair 2. using single mic and recording two takes, panning left and right, different placement for the the two takes. Depends on whether you want a stereo recording of one performance or two recordings of two performances placed L/R in the stereo field. Even the best guitarist couldn't possibly strike every string in exactly the same way (same velocity, same intensity, same timing etc. etc. on EVERY string on EVERY stroke), so you'd end up with a recording of two separate performances if you did two takes. That can be okay if it's what you want, but it's not technically stereo. Bill Balmer |
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Acoustic Guitar: Stereo mic'ing vs double take?
"Brian" wrote:
I am recording acoustic guitar. I currently have a Studio Projects C1 that I think sounds quite nice. Much better than my royer r121. I now am looking to try a small condenser. The question is, to get a very full, rich acoustic sound in stereo, what is preferred: 1. stereo mic'ing with matched pair 2. using single mic and recording two takes, panning left and right, different placement for the the two takes. 3. M-S with the mics you already have? Unless you have a preternaturally gifted guitar player, two takes isn't going to sound anything like a single pass stereo recording. I ask because I want to know if I should spend around $500 for an mk012 matched pair, or just get one km184. A pair of MK012 will make a better stereo recording than a single km184. But since you already have mics that can work in stereo, why don't you try that first? -jw |
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Acoustic Guitar: Stereo mic'ing vs double take?
"Brian" wrote in message
s.com... I am recording acoustic guitar. I currently have a Studio Projects C1 that I think sounds quite nice. Much better than my royer r121. I now am looking to try a small condenser. The question is, to get a very full, rich acoustic sound in stereo, what is preferred: 1. stereo mic'ing with matched pair 2. using single mic and recording two takes, panning left and right, different placement for the the two takes. Those are really two entirely different things, which produce two quite different effects. Which you prefer depends on, well ... which you prefer. You may want to do either, at different times. Try experimenting with both to see what they sound like. You can experiment with stereo micing (or miking, or even, God forbid mic'ing) with whatever two mics you have that are closest to one another before laying out a bunch of money to buy a new one. You can even do both: record two takes, both in stereo! Or not. If I had to typify (and this is dangerous): double tracking (recording two takes) can be useful for a strumming rhythm part, but might make a mush of something that's supposed to be an "up front" performance; stereo recording might be well-advised for a solo guitar recording, but might not make a ton of difference if it's just something in the "bed." |
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Acoustic Guitar: Stereo mic'ing vs double take?
In Article m, "Brian"
wrote: I am recording acoustic guitar. I currently have a Studio Projects C1 that I think sounds quite nice. Much better than my royer r121. I now am looking to try a small condenser. The question is, to get a very full, rich acoustic sound in stereo, what is preferred: 1. stereo mic'ing with matched pair 2. using single mic and recording two takes, panning left and right, different placement for the the two takes. I ask because I want to know if I should spend around $500 for an mk012 matched pair, or just get one km184. -brian These are two very different approaches. A lot has to do with the rest of the arrangement. While I contend that one excellent mic with a good stereo reverb works most of the time, others will argue that two matched whatevers are required. Double tracking (recording two separate passes) sounds very different. As long as the mix isn't stuffed to the gills already, that's a good way to go. If you're eyeing a km184, I'd suggest also trying to track down a low mileage KM 84. It has a flatter top than the KM 184. Hal Laurent was kind enough to bring two of different vintage KM 84 here last year, but we found they sounded quite different. We didn't know the past of each, so knowing why they sounded different was anyone's guess. Oh, then there's my favorite, the Schopes cmc641. A clip of which is in the Audio Archive of my website. Regards, Ty Ford For Ty Ford V/O demos, audio services and equipment reviews, click on http://www.jagunet.com/~tford |
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Acoustic Guitar: Stereo mic'ing vs double take?
I can tell you that I've spent alot of time recording acoustics lately.
One of my favorite combos is as follows. Ch-1 DI the mic thru a good DI (I use Radial) to a tube pre w/compressor. Ch-2 One MC012 at the neck side of sound hole aimed right at the neck/body joint as close as you can get to the gtr thru a neutral or clean pre. Ch-3 A Oktava 319 large condenser (or something similar) thru clean pre positioned up near the right elbow of player, focused down toward the gtr bridge. Record on three tracks and blend as needed. Sounds great with the DI ch mixed low in the center and the other two panned hard L-R. Proably will need to "Highpass" all tracks to reduce low end. I'm not really a pro full time recording engineer but this is working well for me. Good luck Cya Brian wrote: I am recording acoustic guitar. I currently have a Studio Projects C1 that I think sounds quite nice. Much better than my royer r121. I now am looking to try a small condenser. The question is, to get a very full, rich acoustic sound in stereo, what is preferred: 1. stereo mic'ing with matched pair 2. using single mic and recording two takes, panning left and right, different placement for the the two takes. I ask because I want to know if I should spend around $500 for an mk012 matched pair, or just get one km184. -brian |
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Acoustic Guitar: Stereo mic'ing vs double take?
Sorry for typing to fast.................
"Ch-1 DI the mic" should say, "DI the gtr if possible" If you want to hear this go to: http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/rinisprojectmusic.htm Listen to the song "I'll be waiting". Not bad for a novice doing it all on a laptop. Cya Wayne Stephens wrote: I can tell you that I've spent alot of time recording acoustics lately. One of my favorite combos is as follows. Ch-1 DI the mic thru a good DI (I use Radial) to a tube pre w/compressor. Ch-2 One MC012 at the neck side of sound hole aimed right at the neck/body joint as close as you can get to the gtr thru a neutral or clean pre. Ch-3 A Oktava 319 large condenser (or something similar) thru clean pre positioned up near the right elbow of player, focused down toward the gtr bridge. Record on three tracks and blend as needed. Sounds great with the DI ch mixed low in the center and the other two panned hard L-R. Proably will need to "Highpass" all tracks to reduce low end. I'm not really a pro full time recording engineer but this is working well for me. Good luck Cya Brian wrote: I am recording acoustic guitar. I currently have a Studio Projects C1 that I think sounds quite nice. Much better than my royer r121. I now am looking to try a small condenser. The question is, to get a very full, rich acoustic sound in stereo, what is preferred: 1. stereo mic'ing with matched pair 2. using single mic and recording two takes, panning left and right, different placement for the the two takes. I ask because I want to know if I should spend around $500 for an mk012 matched pair, or just get one km184. -brian |
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Acoustic Guitar: Stereo mic'ing vs double take?
Hi,
You mean use the C1 and Royer, right? The thing is, I need so much gain on the Royer. But I will try it. -brian "John Washburn" wrote in message ... "Brian" wrote: I am recording acoustic guitar. I currently have a Studio Projects C1 that I think sounds quite nice. Much better than my royer r121. I now am looking to try a small condenser. The question is, to get a very full, rich acoustic sound in stereo, what is preferred: 1. stereo mic'ing with matched pair 2. using single mic and recording two takes, panning left and right, different placement for the the two takes. 3. M-S with the mics you already have? Unless you have a preternaturally gifted guitar player, two takes isn't going to sound anything like a single pass stereo recording. I ask because I want to know if I should spend around $500 for an mk012 matched pair, or just get one km184. A pair of MK012 will make a better stereo recording than a single km184. But since you already have mics that can work in stereo, why don't you try that first? -jw |
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Acoustic Guitar: Stereo mic'ing vs double take?
Personally I'd go for the matched pair of MC012s. You can always use one of
them for the one-take-in-each-channel trick, so you can try both approaches. And I like a good MC012 better than the KM184; like Ty said, the latter is pretty bright on top. Peace, Paul |
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Acoustic Guitar: Stereo mic'ing vs double take?
Also, it may well be that a matched pair is less important in the case of
recording guitar than it is for chamber music, for example. If they're in the same ballpark as one another, things should be okay since they are actually hearing significantly different signals. George Reiswig Song of the River Music "Paul Stamler" wrote in message ... Personally I'd go for the matched pair of MC012s. You can always use one of them for the one-take-in-each-channel trick, so you can try both approaches. And I like a good MC012 better than the KM184; like Ty said, the latter is pretty bright on top. Peace, Paul |
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Acoustic Guitar: Stereo mic'ing vs double take?
"Brian Huether" wrote in message ...
Hi, You mean use the C1 and Royer, right? The thing is, I need so much gain on the Royer. But I will try it. I think you might like it. I've been using a pair of old GT 6TMs for mid-side recording for while now, with very satisfying results. I like that I can adjust the ambience in the matrix at mixdown, and that the signal is mono-compatible. I like that the ambience and stereo effect degrading gracefully as the playback system becomes less sterophonic, which tends to increase intelligibility for weak radio signals. -brian "John Washburn" wrote in message ... "Brian" wrote: I am recording acoustic guitar. I currently have a Studio Projects C1 that I think sounds quite nice. Much better than my royer r121. I now am looking to try a small condenser. The question is, to get a very full, rich acoustic sound in stereo, what is preferred: 1. stereo mic'ing with matched pair 2. using single mic and recording two takes, panning left and right, different placement for the the two takes. 3. M-S with the mics you already have? Unless you have a preternaturally gifted guitar player, two takes isn't going to sound anything like a single pass stereo recording. I ask because I want to know if I should spend around $500 for an mk012 matched pair, or just get one km184. A pair of MK012 will make a better stereo recording than a single km184. But since you already have mics that can work in stereo, why don't you try that first? -jw |
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