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Is 5 ch analog out better than HDMI?
I noticed a lot of Blu-Ray and HD-DVD players are pushing the fact
that they have 5 ch analog outputs. Is this better or worse than just using a single HDMI? My reciever has a 5 ch analog input which I dont use, am I unknowingly missing out on some great sound? I just cant see analog being better than digital. Tim |
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Is 5 ch analog out better than HDMI?
Tim,
My reciever has a 5 ch analog input which I dont use, am I unknowingly missing out on some great sound? You could always try it and see for yourself. :-) I just cant see analog being better than digital. I agree. I imagine both sound exactly the same. If you're concerned about audible degradation, the acoustics of your listening room are infinitely more important than which device handles the D/A conversion. --Ethan |
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Is 5 ch analog out better than HDMI?
On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 12:13:10 -0500, "Ethan Winer" ethanw at
ethanwiner dot com wrote: Tim, My reciever has a 5 ch analog input which I dont use, am I unknowingly missing out on some great sound? You could always try it and see for yourself. :-) I just cant see analog being better than digital. I agree. I imagine both sound exactly the same. If you're concerned about audible degradation, the acoustics of your listening room are infinitely more important than which device handles the D/A conversion. Yes but the advantage of digital output is that the processor can apply bass/channel management and EQ without additional conversions. Kal |
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On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 01:03:37 GMT, Matt Ion
wrote: Well if your receiver has 5.1 analog input and not HDMI, then you're missing out on 5.1 surround. Surround receivers with either copper wire coax or optical cable multichannel digital inputs are more than five years old now. I think the reason for pushing that point is probably more that there aren't a lot of HDMI-equipped receivers on the market yet - the analog is more backward-compatible. One brick-wall incompatability is SACD. At the opposite end of the spectrum is HD audio. Both are deliberately restricted for DRM reasons. All good fortune, Chris Hornbeck |
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On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 18:40:59 -0600, willbill
wrote: on both the 5.1 analog is noticeably slightly better than via the digital fiber (TOSLink) Depends on your discs and DACs. I would not take this as a general statement. i've also tried the OPPO's sound via an HDMI cable, and it is the same as the TOSLink cable. See above. Some materials will not be transmitted via TOSlink at all. Kal |
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Is 5 ch analog out better than HDMI?
Yes but the advantage of digital output is that the processor can apply
bass/channel management and EQ without additional conversions. Good point Kal. |
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wrote in message ... I noticed a lot of Blu-Ray and HD-DVD players are pushing the fact that they have 5 ch analog outputs. Is this better or worse than just using a single HDMI? My reciever has a 5 ch analog input which I dont use, am I unknowingly missing out on some great sound? I just cant see analog being better than digital. Tim Why don't you just try it for yourself? Is it really so tricky to test using some spare budget anolog interconnects that you may have hanging around. Or use the interconnects from other devices such as CD player, DVD player etc. If you like what you hear then invest in some interconnects. Does someone dress you of a morning and chop your food for you? |
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Is 5 ch analog out better than HDMI?
Kalman Rubinson wrote:
On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 18:40:59 -0600, willbill wrote: on both the 5.1 analog is noticeably slightly better than via the digital fiber (TOSLink) Depends on your discs and DACs. I would not take this as a general statement. maybe but this whole 5.1 multichannel via 6 analog cables is starting to make me wonder just how many high-enders really listen; or like you, fail to revisit a hardware situation (in this case, the hardware also includes different cables) i've also tried the OPPO's sound via an HDMI cable, and it is the same as the TOSLink cable. See above. Some materials will not be transmitted via TOSlink at all. if anything, that's my argument. fwiw, i got an early Xmas present today, as 4 of my HD-DVD disk orders with HD sound showed up today (i didn't see who left the package at the door but i'm assuming it was the Post Office; on a Sunday!) from a very quick/brief listen to the 4, the one disk that may have high-end surround aspirations is Mozart's Magic Flute opera. Sir Colin Davis conducting chorus and orchestra of The Royal Opera House/2003. recorded live at Covent Garden the disk has Dolby TrueHD 5.1, as well as Dolby TrueHD stereo out of curiosity i tried searching www.stereophile.com for mozart magic flute colin davis but got zero have you reviewed this disk? anyhow for the moment, my main interest is in using it to see if i can reach any conclusions about how to connect my new Toshiba A35 player; so far i've been running the HDMI cable straight into my LCD TV for the video (and turning the TV's sound to zero), and both the 5.1 analog cables as well as optical TOSLink for the sound (into the AVR). instead, i'll now run the HDMI into my AVR (for both sound and video), and 5.1 analog cables, and disconnect the TOSLink i'll also try the mutichannel PCM that is available when using HDMI. although that suggests going thru possible additional sound conversions; although you never know until you try i mean hey, i'm not much of an opera fan. just so long as the disk has high quality multichannel sound bill |
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Is 5 ch analog out better than HDMI?
On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 21:43:37 -0600, willbill
wrote: Kalman Rubinson wrote: Depends on your discs and DACs. I would not take this as a general statement. maybe but this whole 5.1 multichannel via 6 analog cables is starting to make me wonder just how many high-enders really listen; or like you, fail to revisit a hardware situation (in this case, the hardware also includes different cables) You presume that I do not but, in fact, it is encumbent on me to try all the reasonable alternatives whenever I review a new piece of equipment. My point is that using 6 analog interconnects is usually OK but precludes using any post-processing and room EQ without layering on additional A/D/A conversions. i've also tried the OPPO's sound via an HDMI cable, and it is the same as the TOSLink cable. See above. Some materials will not be transmitted via TOSlink at all. if anything, that's my argument. That makes for a difficult/complex comparison. I found the HDMI superior to the TOSlink but I tend to listen to lossless multichannel and that is not possible on TOSlink. from a very quick/brief listen to the 4, the one disk that may have high-end surround aspirations is Mozart's Magic Flute opera. Sir Colin Davis conducting chorus and orchestra of The Royal Opera House/2003. recorded live at Covent Garden the disk has Dolby TrueHD 5.1, as well as Dolby TrueHD stereo out of curiosity i tried searching www.stereophile.com for mozart magic flute colin davis but got zero have you reviewed this disk? Nope but I will comment on it in the March column. It is outstanding. instead, i'll now run the HDMI into my AVR (for both sound and video), and 5.1 analog cables, and disconnect the TOSLink That's the day to do it. i'll also try the mutichannel PCM that is available when using HDMI. although that suggests going thru possible additional sound conversions; although you never know until you try No addition conversions with MPCM. Kal |
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Is 5 ch analog out better than HDMI?
"willbill" wrote in message
Kalman Rubinson wrote: On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 18:40:59 -0600, willbill wrote: on both the 5.1 analog is noticeably slightly better than via the digital fiber (TOSLink) Depends on your discs and DACs. I would not take this as a general statement. maybe but this whole 5.1 multichannel via 6 analog cables is starting to make me wonder just how many high-enders really listen; or like you, fail to revisit a hardware situation (in this case, the hardware also includes different cables) Hi-enders listen. They listen with salemen hovering over their demo. They listen while trying to one-up their buddy. They listen after emptying half a bottle of wine or single malt. They listen with the fanciful words from the latest issue of SP or TAS ringing in their ears. They listen after they spent the price of a small car on a fancy gold-plated watzamajiggie. |
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Is 5 ch analog out better than HDMI?
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message . .. Hi-enders listen. They listen with salemen hovering over their demo. They listen while trying to one-up their buddy. They listen after emptying half a bottle of wine or single malt. They listen with the fanciful words from the latest issue of SP or TAS ringing in their ears. They listen after they spent the price of a small car on a fancy gold-plated watzamajiggie. Nobody listens to you Arny. Now Arny you just toodle off and listen to your pointless test CD. |
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Is 5 ch analog out better than HDMI?
Kalman Rubinson wrote:
On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 21:43:37 -0600, willbill wrote: Kalman Rubinson wrote: Depends on your discs and DACs. I would not take this as a general statement. maybe but this whole 5.1 multichannel via 6 analog cables is starting to make me wonder just how many high-enders really listen; or like you, fail to revisit a hardware situation (in this case, the hardware also includes different cables) You presume that I do not that is the impression that i've so far gotten from you fwiw, no i do NOT presume but, in fact, it is encumbent on me to try all the reasonable alternatives whenever I review a new piece of equipment. agreed My point is that using 6 analog interconnects is usually OK but precludes using any post-processing and room EQ without layering on additional A/D/A conversions. A/D/A meaning low frequency? why is it that you keep harping on an extra A/D/A low frequency thing? my crossover (via AVR and/or player) is very low, so i have to think that it really is not an issue in drawing valid conclusions my 1 yr old Denon 2307CI AVR has 2 settings for the subwoofer boost maybe one of them does go thru an additional A/D/A conversion; so i have to think that it really is not an issue in drawing valid conclusions maybe i'm wrong on this? i've also tried the OPPO's sound via an HDMI cable, and it is the same as the TOSLink cable. See above. Some materials will not be transmitted via TOSlink at all. if anything, that's my argument. That makes for a difficult/complex comparison. I found the HDMI superior to the TOSlink but I tend to listen to lossless multichannel and that is not possible on TOSlink. thank you for actually saying something meaningful as far as i recently remember, others on the r.a. n/g's have stated that digital TOSLink and digital coax and HDMI are all either similar or even identical sound wise (which i suspect is deeply suspect) from a very quick/brief listen to the 4, the one disk that may have high-end surround aspirations is Mozart's Magic Flute opera. Sir Colin Davis conducting chorus and orchestra of The Royal Opera House/2003. recorded live at Covent Garden the disk has Dolby TrueHD 5.1, as well as Dolby TrueHD stereo out of curiosity i tried searching www.stereophile.com for mozart magic flute colin davis but got zero have you reviewed this disk? Nope but I will comment on it in the March column. It is outstanding. thank you for willing to say "outstanding" i've only listened so far to the 1st 25 min. so far a bit of a disappointment of course, it (the vocals) was recorded live and i've yet to see a mic in the video so the front L/C/R sound is *remote* at best so far i've turned down my rear L/R sound by ~9db and have to revisit from the start instead, i'll now run the HDMI into my AVR (for both sound and video), and 5.1 analog cables, and disconnect the TOSLink That's the day to do it. "day" = way? i'll also try the mutichannel PCM that is available when using HDMI. although that suggests going thru possible additional sound conversions; although you never know until you try No addition conversions with MPCM. ok. my 1 yr old Denon AVR doesn't decode the HD encodings (either Dolby or DTS); my hunch is that it will recognize MPCM that comes over the HDMI cable (yet to be proven from my actually doing it; as well as how well it may sound) Merry Xmas to you. i'll be back on this in ~2/3 days i'll look forward to your review of HD-DVD Magic Flute. have you yet come across a convincing review of HD sound from BD vs HD-DVD? if yes, kindly post link(s) bill |
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On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 22:39:54 -0600, willbill
wrote: A/D/A meaning low frequency? why is it that you keep harping on an extra A/D/A low frequency thing? Never said anything about low frequency. If you feed analog into the processor and intend to add postprocessing, such as bass/channel management and/or and/or EQ, there will, of necessity, be additional A/D and D/A conversions for all channels. my 1 yr old Denon 2307CI AVR has 2 settings for the subwoofer boost maybe one of them does go thru an additional A/D/A conversion; so i have to think that it really is not an issue in drawing valid conclusions maybe i'm wrong on this? Can you pass through the 5 channels as analog but digitize the .1? I think not. Besides, level setting is not the point as that can be done in the analog domain. So, I do not understand your point. If you are not using the Denon for postprocessing, then the issue of additional conversions is moot, for you. thank you for willing to say "outstanding" I do not understand your attitude. have you yet come across a convincing review of HD sound from BD vs HD-DVD? Nope. I have yet to hear a difference as long as it is the same program with the same CODEC. |
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