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Tapping line outs from mixer insert points
I was asked by a student group here if they could get a multi-track
recording of their talent night. I don't have a multi channel splitter and the level of the event really doesn't warrant getting one. The venue has a mixer with unused TRS insert jacks on the input channels. I cut the RCA ends off an old RCA to 1/4 inch snake and wired a trs plug on the end with the tip and sleeve connected. I figure I can use this to tap the individual channels and feed them into my motu 24 i/o for a down and dirty multi-track recording. I figure I'm OK as long as the trims stay put after set up and level adjustments are done with the faders. I tested it and it seems to work fine. Is there any reason this is a bad idea that hasn't occurred to me yet? Thanks, Andy |
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Tapping line outs from mixer insert points
On Nov 10, 2:22*pm, apa wrote:
I was asked by a student group here if they could get a multi-track recording of their talent night. *I don't have a multi channel splitter and the level of the event really doesn't warrant getting one. The venue has a mixer with unused TRS insert jacks on the input channels. I cut the RCA ends off an old RCA to 1/4 inch snake and wired a trs plug on the end with the tip and sleeve connected. I figure I can use this to tap the individual channels and feed them into my motu 24 i/o for a down and dirty multi-track recording. I figure I'm OK as long as the trims stay put after set up and level adjustments are done with the faders. I tested it and it seems to work fine. Is there any reason this is a bad idea that hasn't occurred to me yet? Nope. If there's a sound check make sure you're not getting any levels hot enough to clip the MOTU's inputs, otherwise you're good to go. This is a classic way to do it. Peace, Paul |
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On Nov 10, 4:13*pm, PStamler wrote:
On Nov 10, 2:22*pm, apa wrote: I was asked by a student group here if they could get a multi-track recording of their talent night. *I don't have a multi channel splitter and the level of the event really doesn't warrant getting one. The venue has a mixer with unused TRS insert jacks on the input channels. I cut the RCA ends off an old RCA to 1/4 inch snake and wired a trs plug on the end with the tip and sleeve connected. I figure I can use this to tap the individual channels and feed them into my motu 24 i/o for a down and dirty multi-track recording. I figure I'm OK as long as the trims stay put after set up and level adjustments are done with the faders. I tested it and it seems to work fine. Is there any reason this is a bad idea that hasn't occurred to me yet? Nope. If there's a sound check make sure you're not getting any levels hot enough to clip the MOTU's inputs, otherwise you're good to go. This is a classic way to do it. Peace, Paul Great! Thanks. |
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Tapping line outs from mixer insert points
On Nov 10, 2:22*pm, apa wrote:
I was asked by a student group here if they could get a multi-track recording of their talent night. *I don't have a multi channel splitter and the level of the event really doesn't warrant getting one. The venue has a mixer with unused TRS insert jacks on the input channels. I cut the RCA ends off an old RCA to 1/4 inch snake and wired a trs plug on the end with the tip and sleeve connected. I figure I can use this to tap the individual channels and feed them into my motu 24 i/o for a down and dirty multi-track recording. I figure I'm OK as long as the trims stay put after set up and level adjustments are done with the faders. I tested it and it seems to work fine. Is there any reason this is a bad idea that hasn't occurred to me yet? Thanks, Andy It's the tip and _ring_ you want to tie together at the insert end. The sleeve is ground/shield at both ends. But I'm sure that's what you meant to say ;- rd |
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Tapping line outs from mixer insert points
On 11/10/2010 3:22 PM, apa wrote:
The venue has a mixer with unused TRS insert jacks on the input channels. I cut the RCA ends off an old RCA to 1/4 inch snake and wired a trs plug on the end with the tip and sleeve connected. I figure I can use this to tap the individual channels and feed them into my motu 24 i/o for a down and dirty multi-track recording. If you mean that you connected the center conductor of the snake cable to the tip and the shield to the sleeve, then you only did half of the job. That will get you a signal to the recorder, but since inserting the plug all the way breaks the normalling contacts, you won't get the signal through the mixer to the PA. so since you said it appears to work, I suspect that you're inserting the plug half way so the tip connects to the ring contact of the jack. If you do this, then you really don't need a TRS plug on the mixer end. What you should do is put a jumper between the tip and ring of the plug and connect your hot "tap" lead to that. This way you can put the plug in all the way, keep the signal path in the mixer intact beween the mic preamp output and the next stage. And when you insert the plug all the way, you don't have to risk it falling out, making bad contact, or being pushed in far enough to break the signal path in the mixer. -- "Today's production equipment is IT based and cannot be operated without a passing knowledge of computing, although it seems that it can be operated without a passing knowledge of audio" - John Watkinson Drop by http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com now and then |
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apa wrote:
I was asked by a student group here if they could get a multi-track recording of their talent night. I don't have a multi channel splitter and the level of the event really doesn't warrant getting one. The venue has a mixer with unused TRS insert jacks on the input channels. I cut the RCA ends off an old RCA to 1/4 inch snake and wired a trs plug on the end with the tip and sleeve connected. I figure I can use this to tap the individual channels and feed them into my motu 24 i/o for a down and dirty multi-track recording. I figure I'm OK as long as the trims stay put after set up and level adjustments are done with the faders. I tested it and it seems to work fine. Is there any reason this is a bad idea that hasn't occurred to me yet? The trims DO need to stay put, you can't run a very long cable, and you will be in the PA operator's lap. But it is entirely workable. DO NOT forget to add some ambient microphones and some audience spot mikes. The PA guys don't need that stuff, but when you want to mix down, you will. Ambient stage mikes are a nice thing too because sooner or later you will have performers who are off-mike. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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On Nov 10, 6:19*pm, RD Jones wrote:
On Nov 10, 2:22*pm, apa wrote: I was asked by a student group here if they could get a multi-track recording of their talent night. *I don't have a multi channel splitter and the level of the event really doesn't warrant getting one. The venue has a mixer with unused TRS insert jacks on the input channels. I cut the RCA ends off an old RCA to 1/4 inch snake and wired a trs plug on the end with the tip and sleeve connected. I figure I can use this to tap the individual channels and feed them into my motu 24 i/o for a down and dirty multi-track recording. I figure I'm OK as long as the trims stay put after set up and level adjustments are done with the faders. I tested it and it seems to work fine. Is there any reason this is a bad idea that hasn't occurred to me yet? Thanks, Andy It's the tip and _ring_ you want to tie together at the insert end. The sleeve is ground/shield at both ends. But I'm sure that's what you meant to say ;- rd Right - that's what I meant. Sometime my inability to proofread astounds me. Thanks. Best, Andy |
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On Nov 11, 10:49*am, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
apa wrote: I was asked by a student group here if they could get a multi-track recording of their talent night. *I don't have a multi channel splitter and the level of the event really doesn't warrant getting one. The venue has a mixer with unused TRS insert jacks on the input channels. I cut the RCA ends off an old RCA to 1/4 inch snake and wired a trs plug on the end with the tip and sleeve connected. I figure I can use this to tap the individual channels and feed them into my motu 24 i/o for a down and dirty multi-track recording. I figure I'm OK as long as the trims stay put after set up and level adjustments are done with the faders. I tested it and it seems to work fine. Is there any reason this is a bad idea that hasn't occurred to me yet? The trims DO need to stay put, you can't run a very long cable, and you will be in the PA operator's lap. *But it is entirely workable. DO NOT forget to add some ambient microphones and some audience spot mikes. *The PA guys don't need that stuff, but when you want to mix down, you will. *Ambient stage mikes are a nice thing too because sooner or later you will have performers who are off-mike. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." Good advice thanks. Best, Andy |
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