[Tom Evans]

What's the best digital music-recording program for multi-track
recording that I can use with my Mac and my controller keyboard?

I want a program with better ounds than Garageband, one that's
Mac-compatible, and that's as easy as possible to use, and not over
about $200.

I'm considering Logic Pro X, but I read a few review by users who had
crashes with the new version, so I'm not sure about that one.

I tried leasing East West Music's Composer Cloud's Goliath collection,
but the accompanying program, called Play, doesn't allow for
multi-track recording.

Tom Evans

[Scott Dorsey]

Tom Evans wrote:
What's the best digital music-recording program for multi-track
recording that I can use with my Mac and my controller keyboard?

I want a program with better ounds than Garageband, one that's
Mac-compatible, and that's as easy as possible to use, and not over
about $200.

I'm considering Logic Pro X, but I read a few review by users who had
crashes with the new version, so I'm not sure about that one.

I tried leasing East West Music's Composer Cloud's Goliath collection,
but the accompanying program, called Play, doesn't allow for
multi-track recording.

It doesn't sound like you want DAW software, but something more like ACID.
is that true?
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Tom Evans]

On 2017-09-05 13:52:27 +0000, Scott Dorsey said:

Tom Evans wrote:
What's the best digital music-recording program for multi-track
recording that I can use with my Mac and my controller keyboard?

I want a program with better ounds than Garageband, one that's
Mac-compatible, and that's as easy as possible to use, and not over
about $200.

I'm considering Logic Pro X, but I read a few review by users who had
crashes with the new version, so I'm not sure about that one.

I tried leasing East West Music's Composer Cloud's Goliath collection,
but the accompanying program, called Play, doesn't allow for
multi-track recording.

It doesn't sound like you want DAW software, but something more like ACID.
is that true?
--scott

What's ACID?

Tom Evans

[geoff]

On 10/10/2017 1:56 PM, Tom Evans wrote:
On 2017-09-05 13:52:27 +0000, Scott Dorsey said:

Tom EvansÂ* wrote:
What's the best digital music-recording program for multi-track
recording that I can use with my Mac and my controller keyboard?

I want a program with better ounds than Garageband, one that's
Mac-compatible, and that's as easy as possible to use, and not over
about $200.

I'm considering Logic Pro X, but I read a few review by users who had
crashes with the new version, so I'm not sure about that one.

I tried leasing East West Music's Composer Cloud's Goliath collection,
but the accompanying program, called Play, doesn't allow for
multi-track recording.

It doesn't sound like you want DAW software, but something more like
ACID.
is that true?
--scott

What's ACID?

Tom Evans



Check here :
http://bfy.tw/EO7Q

Also you seem (more than) a little confused with the difference between
'music recording' and 'music creation'.

You are comparing the quality of in-built sound libraries between
Garageband and Logic, not sound quality in the generally accepted sense.
Though I don't doubt that of Logic would be likely superior....

geoff

[Scott Dorsey]

Tom Evans wrote:
On 2017-09-05 13:52:27 +0000, Scott Dorsey said:

It doesn't sound like you want DAW software, but something more like ACID.
is that true?

What's ACID?

I guess you'd call it a loop-based composition tool. Check it out, it's
very popular.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[geoff]

On 11/10/2017 3:29 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Tom Evans wrote:
On 2017-09-05 13:52:27 +0000, Scott Dorsey said:

It doesn't sound like you want DAW software, but something more like ACID.
is that true?

What's ACID?

I guess you'd call it a loop-based composition tool. Check it out, it's
very popular.
--scott


Yep - the original. Also with full DAW functionality thrown in.

geoff

[Tom Evans]

On 2017-10-10 14:29:26 +0000, Scott Dorsey said:

Tom Evans wrote:
On 2017-09-05 13:52:27 +0000, Scott Dorsey said:

It doesn't sound like you want DAW software, but something more like ACID.
is that true?

What's ACID?

I guess you'd call it a loop-based composition tool. Check it out, it's
very popular.
--scott

I already have two loop-based composing tools: Logic and Garageband.

So I don't see why you think I would need ACID, which I'd never even heard of.

And Logic is a high-quality pro tool, so why would I need to spend time
and effort learning ACID, after I've already invested time and money on
Logic.

Tom Evans

[Scott Dorsey]

Tom Evans wrote:

I already have two loop-based composing tools: Logic and Garageband.

So I don't see why you think I would need ACID, which I'd never even heard of.

Because ACID will allow you to use sample libraries from wherever you want,
whereas Garageband ties you into the samples that you keep saying you don't
like the sound of.

And Logic is a high-quality pro tool, so why would I need to spend time
and effort learning ACID, after I've already invested time and money on
Logic.

Because clearly there's something you want to do that you're not able to
do with Logic. Otherwise you would not be here.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[geoff]

On 11/10/2017 10:15 AM, Tom Evans wrote:
On 2017-10-10 14:29:26 +0000, Scott Dorsey said:

Tom EvansÂ* wrote:
On 2017-09-05 13:52:27 +0000, Scott Dorsey said:

It doesn't sound like you want DAW software, but something more like
ACID.
is that true?

What's ACID?

I guess you'd call it a loop-based composition tool.Â* Check it out, it's
very popular.
--scott

I already have two loop-based composing tools:Â* Logic and Garageband.

So I don't see why you think I would need ACID, which I'd never even
heard of.

And Logic is a high-quality pro tool, so why would I need to spend time
and effort learning ACID, after I've already invested time and money on
Logic.

Tom Evans


He said "something like Acid" , which you have something like. And never
said "need" so WTF ?

You come here asking for advice, then act like a dick-head when it is
offered. Are you a spoilt 14-year-old or something ?



geoff

[Trevor]

On 11/10/2017 8:15 AM, Tom Evans wrote:
On 2017-10-10 14:29:26 +0000, Scott Dorsey said:
Tom EvansÂ* wrote:
On 2017-09-05 13:52:27 +0000, Scott Dorsey said:

It doesn't sound like you want DAW software, but something more like
ACID.
is that true?

What's ACID?

I guess you'd call it a loop-based composition tool.Â* Check it out, it's
very popular.
--scott

I already have two loop-based composing tools:Â* Logic and Garageband.

So I don't see why you think I would need ACID, which I'd never even
heard of.

And Logic is a high-quality pro tool, so why would I need to spend time
and effort learning ACID, after I've already invested time and money on
Logic.


Jesus YOU claimed you were *considering* Logic, and people tried to
help. I'm sure they wish they hadn't bothered with that attitude.
If you are now happy, thank them and move on!

Trevor.

[Mike Rivers[_2_]]

On 10/10/2017 1:00 AM, Trevor wrote: (in e-mail, but gave a bogus reply
address so I couldn't reply directly, but it pertains to this thread


You are on the wrong track here when talking about "multi-track
recording software.

I wasn't talking about multitrack software, I was talking about the
difference between "true" (who ever came up with that moniker?) and
"virtual" (pretty well established) recording.

True multi-track is where you can record more than 2 tracks at once.

The better name for that is two-channel or multi-channel recording. Even
2 channels is considered "multitrack."

Virtual multi-track is where you record 2 tracks at a time, but can
mix a larger number in the software. Most (not all) software these
days can do both given suitable hardware though.

That's nobody's definition but your own. That's just "not having as many
inputs as you want to record simultaneously."


--

For a good time, call http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com

[Trevor]

On 11/10/2017 7:49 AM, Mike Rivers wrote:
On 10/10/2017 1:00 AM, Trevor wrote: (in e-mail, but gave a bogus reply
address so I couldn't reply directly, but it pertains to this thread

Sorry, accidentally hit reply instead of followup. My bad.


You are on the wrong track here when talking about "multi-track
recording software.

I wasn't talking about multitrack software, I was talking about the
difference between "true" (who ever came up with that moniker?) and
"virtual" (pretty well established) recording.

Virtual multi-track is only something that came in with digital
recording. I know we both go back further than that, so I'd say the
"established" multi-track recording is not virtual.


True multi-track is where you can record more than 2 tracks at once.

The better name for that is two-channel or multi-channel recording. Even
2 channels is considered "multitrack."

Not since stereo became well established in the sixties, for most people
anyway. Nobody here ever uses the term "multi-track" for stereo since
that time, but yes it's more than 1 track.


Virtual multi-track is where you record 2 tracks at a time, but can
mix a larger number in the software. Most (not all) software these
days can do both given suitable hardware though.

That's nobody's definition but your own. That's just "not having as many
inputs as you want to record simultaneously."

Well established definition here. But as with everything else in life,
people often prefer their own definitions. Still you are the first I've
heard deny the existence of the "virtual multi-track" concept. The
"virtual" part is not a redundant concept for most of us *especially*
anyone who ever does live recording.

Trevor.

[Mike Rivers[_2_]]

On 10/12/2017 12:57 AM, Trevor wrote:
Well established definition here. But as with everything else in life,
people often prefer their own definitions. Still you are the first I've
heard deny the existence of the "virtual multi-track" concept. The
"virtual" part is not a redundant concept for most of us *especially*
anyone who ever does live recording.

You're reading what you want to argue with into what I've written. I
never denied the existence of the concept of "virtual multitrack."
People were recording time code on analog tape and adding virtual tracks
(as many as the available hardware would allow) by synchronizing MIDI
sequencers to time code. In this case, audio tracks were recorded on
tape, time code drove a sequencer running on a computer, which in turn
played sounds on MIDI-controlled synthesizers.

If there were analog tracks available, the synthesizers could be
recorded on them for convenience. Otherwise, the synthesizer outputs
went into more mixer channels - THOSE were the "virtual tracks."

So, yeah, virtual tracks, one or many in a project, have been around for
a long time, longer than MIDI actually. Today, however, we do things
differently, eliminating (most of) the hardware synthesizers and letting
the same computer that's recording "real" audio produce the "virtual"
audio in its copious spare time.

But, honestly, I've never heard anyone use the term "virtual multitrack"
until you came along in this discussion.

--

For a good time, call http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com

[Mike Rivers[_2_]]

On 10/9/2017 8:56 PM, Tom Evans wrote:
What's ACID?

What's a DAW? Acid is a pretty decent DAW as we use the term today.
Because it's 8 or 10 years old and hasn't been updated much, it doesn't
have all of the built-in sounds and signal processing that you get with
a modern program (and those "extra" features are all different), but
Acid's strength when it was a new program is in how it can manipulate
samples and pre-recorded audio streams ("loops") in both pitch and time.

It was, and probably still is, very good at building "remixes" (in the
DJ sense) because you can take a recording, for example, of a drum part,
and adjust it in time to fit the tempo of your song, and tune it,
sometimes way down, or way up, to create a new sound that plays like
that drum part. It does support MIDI so you can also built virtual
tracks using a sample library for the kind and quality of instruments
you want to use. You can also record audio to add vocals and real
instruments, and there's a mixing console for mixing all the tracks.

It's best for creating "assembled" music rather than played or composed
music. If you just want to play piano, guitar, bass, brass, strings, and
drums on a keyboard, it will happily do that and play sounds that you
assign to those tracks. And, as Scott has said over and over again,
those sounds are YOUR choice, and aren't limited to whatever the
software vendor chose to throw in to get you started.

Logic may indeed be more suited to the way you work, but it will (or at
least should be) be a function of how comfortable it is for you to move
from one step to the next. If the sounds that came with it are OK,
that's fine, but there are plenty of other sounds out there, some free,
some fairly costly. Some recorded in ways that suit "lo fi" productions,
some that are very carefully recorded with good microphones in a good
studio, and a drum sample set may include half a dozen different snare
drums, a dozen toms, five or six kicks and more cymbals than you can
stand to listen to. Pick what goes with your songs. That's what you do
with your producer hat on.

Or just have fun.



--

For a good time, call http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com

[Tom Evans]

On 2017-09-05 13:52:27 +0000, Scott Dorsey said:

Tom Evans wrote:
What's the best digital music-recording program for multi-track
recording that I can use with my Mac and my controller keyboard?

It doesn't sound like you want DAW software, but something more like ACID.
is that true?
--scott

I don't know why you think I don't wnat DAW software, when I explicitly
wrote (above) that I do.

And Acid didn't get a good review, and it sounds from the review like
it's not as good as Garageband, which I wanted to upgrade from.

(http://www.musicradar.com/reviews/te...udio-10-597320)


Since I started this thread, I bought Logic. And because I now have
Logic, and because I also have logic, reason and common sense, I know I
don't need to buy another DAW now (ACID), which, from the review,
clearly sounds like it's quite inferior to Logic.

Tom Evans

[geoff]

On 11/10/2017 3:07 PM, Tom Evans wrote:
On 2017-09-05 13:52:27 +0000, Scott Dorsey said:

Tom EvansÂ* wrote:
What's the best digital music-recording program for multi-track
recording that I can use with my Mac and my controller keyboard?

It doesn't sound like you want DAW software, but something more like
ACID.
is that true?
--scott

I don't know why you think I don't wnat DAW software, when I explicitly
wrote (above) that I do.

You (now) have DAW software that also has the other functionality. So
congratulations.


And Acid didn't get a good review, and it sounds from the review like
it's not as good as Garageband, which I wanted to upgrade from.

Acid has had plenty of fantastic reviews. You may have read one less
than enthusiastic review, so whoop-dee-doo. It is Windows only, so turns
out irrelevant anyway.


(http://www.musicradar.com/reviews/te...udio-10-597320)

Try checking out reviews for Acid Pro, which is a better comparison, and
what we have been referring to.


Since I started this thread, I bought Logic.Â* And because I now have
Logic, and because I also have logic, reason and common sense, I know I
don't need to buy another DAW now (ACID), which, from the review,
clearly sounds like it's quite inferior to Logic.

If you wanted to you could try it for free and find out (more intuitive
for starters). But you don't want to, so don't.

What is it that you are actually wanting to ask or contribute ?

geoff

[Tom Evans]

On 2017-10-11 02:20:39 +0000, Geoff said:

On 11/10/2017 3:07 PM, Tom Evans wrote:
On 2017-09-05 13:52:27 +0000, Scott Dorsey said:

Tom Evans* wrote:
What's the best digital music-recording program for multi-track
recording that I can use with my Mac and my controller keyboard?

It doesn't sound like you want DAW software, but something more like ACID.
is that true?
--scott

I don't know why you think I don't wnat DAW software, when I explicitly
wrote (above) that I do.

You (now) have DAW software that also has the other functionality. So
congratulations.


And Acid didn't get a good review, and it sounds from the review like
it's not as good as Garageband, which I wanted to upgrade from.

Acid has had plenty of fantastic reviews. You may have read one less
than enthusiastic review, so whoop-dee-doo. It is Windows only, so
turns out irrelevant anyway.


(http://www.musicradar.com/reviews/te...udio-10-597320)


Try checking out reviews for Acid Pro, which is a better comparison,
and what we have been referring to.


Since I started this thread, I bought Logic.* And because I now have
Logic, and because I also have logic, reason and common sense, I know I
don't need to buy another DAW now (ACID), which, from the review,
clearly sounds like it's quite inferior to Logic.

If you wanted to you could try it for free and find out (more intuitive
for starters). But you don't want to, so don't.

What is it that you are actually wanting to ask or contribute ?

geoff

My question has been answered because I bought and tried Logic. That's
the program I'll use for the forseeable future.

Tom Evans

[Mike Rivers[_2_]]

On 10/10/2017 10:42 PM, Tom Evans wrote:

My question has been answered because I bought and tried Logic.Â* That's
the program I'll use for the forseeable future.

OK, now get out of here and start making some music. In your next post,
include a link to one of your own compositions.


--

For a good time, call http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com

[Phil W]

"Geoff":

If you wanted to you could try it for free and find out (more intuitive
for starters). But you don't want to, so don't.

What is it that you are actually wanting to ask or contribute ?

He´s only wanting to troll and nothing else! Just like some years ago, when
he refused to learn anything necessary to make and record music, because he
just wanted to "make beautiful ART" or something like that.
It´s exactly the same arrogant behaviour now again... and back then, he also
would NOT post a link to any example of his oh so great "ART".

Go figure and use a killfile instead of replying to this troll.

[Scott Dorsey]

Tom Evans wrote:
I don't know why you think I don't wnat DAW software, when I explicitly
wrote (above) that I do.

Because you keep talking about MIDI. Traditional standard DAW software has
nothing to do with MIDI, it is used for recording and editing audio sources.
You don't have audio sources.

You talk about wanting a DAW but then you describe a compositional tool.

And Acid didn't get a good review, and it sounds from the review like
it's not as good as Garageband, which I wanted to upgrade from.

Well, then get something else. Just make sure it allows you to import
external sample libraries.

Since I started this thread, I bought Logic. And because I now have
Logic, and because I also have logic, reason and common sense, I know I
don't need to buy another DAW now (ACID), which, from the review,
clearly sounds like it's quite inferior to Logic.

ACID is not a DAW, it's a very specific tool for building music from loops.
It has absolutely nothing to do with a DAW and frequently is used to produce
files which are imported into a DAW.

You need to get your mind around the differences between sample libraries
and sample playback, and the difference between DAWs and compositional tools.
Because until you do, nobody here is going to be able to help you because
none of us will be able to figure out what the hell you want.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[geoff]

On 12/10/2017 2:50 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:


ACID is not a DAW, it's a very specific tool for building music from loops.
It has absolutely nothing to do with a DAW and frequently is used to produce
files which are imported into a DAW.

Um Scott, hate to quibble especially in these circumstances, but what
DAW functions is ACID lacking ?

geoff

[Scott Dorsey]

geoff wrote:
On 12/10/2017 2:50 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:

ACID is not a DAW, it's a very specific tool for building music from loops.
It has absolutely nothing to do with a DAW and frequently is used to produce
files which are imported into a DAW.

Um Scott, hate to quibble especially in these circumstances, but what
DAW functions is ACID lacking ?

I'd say the thing wasn't that it was lacking audio editing functions
(although it kind of is because the UI for doing that seems clumsy to me)
more than that they are dwarfed by the other functions that are added.

You can use it as a DAW... but it's not software intended primarily for that.

And I wouldn't want to be comping orchestral takes with it.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[[email protected]]

On Monday, September 4, 2017 at 7:40:14 PM UTC-4, Tom Evans wrote:
What's the best digital music-recording program for multi-track
recording that I can use with my Mac and my controller keyboard?

I want a program with better ounds than Garageband, one that's
Mac-compatible, and that's as easy as possible to use, and not over
about $200.

I'm considering Logic Pro X, but I read a few review by users who had
crashes with the new version, so I'm not sure about that one.

I tried leasing East West Music's Composer Cloud's Goliath collection,
but the accompanying program, called Play, doesn't allow for
multi-track recording.

Tom Evans

Why not use virtualization/emulation software, then you can run most any Windows app!

Jack

[Tom Evans]

On 2017-09-05 14:40:02 +0000, said:

On Monday, September 4, 2017 at 7:40:14 PM UTC-4, Tom Evans wrote:
What's the best digital music-recording program for multi-track
recording that I can use with my Mac and my controller keyboard?

I want a program with better ounds than Garageband, one that's
Mac-compatible, and that's as easy as possible to use, and not over
about $200.

I'm considering Logic Pro X, but I read a few review by users who had
crashes with the new version, so I'm not sure about that one.

I tried leasing East West Music's Composer Cloud's Goliath collection,
but the accompanying program, called Play, doesn't allow for
multi-track recording.

Tom Evans

Why not use virtualization/emulation software, then you can run most
any Windows app!

Jack

Thanks, Jack.

I don't know what 'virtualization/emulation' software is.

And I only use Macs, so I don't wnat or need Windoze apps.

Tom

[Nil[_2_]]

On 04 Sep 2017, Tom Evans wrote in
rec.audio.pro:

What's the best digital music-recording program for multi-track
recording that I can use with my Mac and my controller keyboard?

I want a program with better ounds than Garageband, one that's
Mac-compatible, and that's as easy as possible to use, and not
over about $200.

I know a couple of people who use Garage Band with excellent results. I
believe that computer audio recording sound quality these days is much
more a function of your I/O hardware, not the software.

If it's primarily sample playback you want, I know someone who swears
by Reason. Costs more than $200, though.

[Tom Evans]

On 2017-09-05 17:41:05 +0000, Nil said:

On 04 Sep 2017, Tom Evans wrote in
rec.audio.pro:

What's the best digital music-recording program for multi-track
recording that I can use with my Mac and my controller keyboard?

I want a program with better ounds than Garageband, one that's
Mac-compatible, and that's as easy as possible to use, and not
over about $200.

I know a couple of people who use Garage Band with excellent results. I
believe that computer audio recording sound quality these days is much
more a function of your I/O hardware, not the software.

If it's primarily sample playback you want, I know someone who swears
by Reason. Costs more than $200, though.

Thanks, Nil.

I bought Logic a few days ago. It cost me $280, plus taxes.

I disagree about sound quality being determined more by hardware than
software; so far some of the instrument sounds I've sampled in Logic
(such as horns, synths and reverb) are far superior to some of the
instrument sounds in Garageband.

Tom Evans

[Nil[_2_]]

On 09 Oct 2017, Tom Evans wrote in
rec.audio.pro:

I disagree about sound quality being determined more by hardware
than software; so far some of the instrument sounds I've sampled
in Logic (such as horns, synths and reverb) are far superior to
some of the instrument sounds in Garageband.

The sound quality of samples starts with the I/O hardware the recorder
of the samples uses. You can process those samples with any software
you want.

You may like the samples included with Logic better than those included
with Garage Band, but that says nothing at all about the sound quality
of Logic or Garage Band itself.

[Scott Dorsey]

Nil wrote:

You may like the samples included with Logic better than those included
with Garage Band, but that says nothing at all about the sound quality
of Logic or Garage Band itself.

People have been trying to explain this to Tom since he came here. Will
Logic allow him to use an external sample library? If so, then his problems
are solved.

I don't think he gets yet the difference between samples and softsynths.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Nil[_2_]]

On 11 Oct 2017, (Scott Dorsey) wrote in
rec.audio.pro:

People have been trying to explain this to Tom since he came here.
Will Logic allow him to use an external sample library? If so,
then his problems are solved.

I don't use Logic myself, but I believe it can use external samples as
do most recent DAWs. A friend of mine has made a lot of decent-sounding
stuff using Garage Band and its built-in samples plus some external
ones, plus tracks of real instruments and vocals. He recently got Logic
to have more features, but his main process is still about the same.

I don't think he gets yet the difference between samples and
softsynths.

That seems clear.

[PStamler]

On Monday, September 4, 2017 at 6:40:14 PM UTC-5, Tom Evans wrote:
What's the best digital music-recording program for multi-track
recording that I can use with my Mac and my controller keyboard?

I want a program with better ounds than Garageband, one that's
Mac-compatible, and that's as easy as possible to use, and not over
about $200.

I'm considering Logic Pro X, but I read a few review by users who had
crashes with the new version, so I'm not sure about that one.

I tried leasing East West Music's Composer Cloud's Goliath collection,
but the accompanying program, called Play, doesn't allow for
multi-track recording.

Check out Studio One Prime (free)and Reaper (cheap).

Peace,
Paul

[[email protected]]

check out N Track Studio

http://en.ntrack.com/index.php

m

[Trevor]

On 6/09/2017 5:45 AM, PStamler wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2017 at 6:40:14 PM UTC-5, Tom Evans wrote:
What's the best digital music-recording program for multi-track
recording that I can use with my Mac and my controller keyboard?

I want a program with better ounds than Garageband, one that's
Mac-compatible, and that's as easy as possible to use, and not over
about $200.

I'm considering Logic Pro X, but I read a few review by users who had
crashes with the new version, so I'm not sure about that one.

I tried leasing East West Music's Composer Cloud's Goliath collection,
but the accompanying program, called Play, doesn't allow for
multi-track recording.

Check out Studio One Prime (free)


From their web page, Prime appears to be stereo I/O only, and OP
specified multi-track recording. Of course many confuse true multi-track
with virtual tracks though so only he knows for sure.


and Reaper (cheap).

A pretty good choice at the price.

Trevor.

[Tom Evans]

On 2017-09-06 08:32:46 +0000, Trevor said:

On 6/09/2017 5:45 AM, PStamler wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2017 at 6:40:14 PM UTC-5, Tom Evans wrote:
What's the best digital music-recording program for multi-track
recording that I can use with my Mac and my controller keyboard?

I want a program with better ounds than Garageband, one that's
Mac-compatible, and that's as easy as possible to use, and not over
about $200.

I'm considering Logic Pro X, but I read a few review by users who had
crashes with the new version, so I'm not sure about that one.

I tried leasing East West Music's Composer Cloud's Goliath collection,
but the accompanying program, called Play, doesn't allow for
multi-track recording.

Check out Studio One Prime (free)


From their web page, Prime appears to be stereo I/O only, and OP
specified multi-track recording. Of course many confuse true
multi-track with virtual tracks though so only he knows for sure.

What's the difference between 'true' and 'virtual' multi-track recording?

Even though I don't know what 'true' multi-track recording is, I don't
think there's any meaningful difference, because with virtual
multi-track recording I can make songs that incorporate multiple
instruments' sounds, which is what I want to do.

Tom Evans

and Reaper (cheap).

A pretty good choice at the price.

Trevor.

[Mike Rivers[_2_]]

On 10/9/2017 9:11 PM, Tom Evans wrote:

What's the difference between 'true' and 'virtual' multi-track recording?

"True ... recording" must be a term that was invented because someone
coined the term "virtual ... recording." With virtual recording, you
record a MIDI track which is in essence a program that says what note,
when, for how long, and how loud, on what instrument gets played to the
listener, or for a multitrack production, for the person mixing the tracks.

Conversely, a "true ... recording" is one where an instrument is played
by a real person, it makes a sound, and that sound is captured by a
microphone and recorded.

Each has its place. It's the application and the user that determines
which one is more appropriate to use.

Even though I don't know what 'true' multi-track recording is, I don't
think there's any meaningful difference, because with virtual
multi-track recording I can make songs that incorporate multiple
instruments' sounds, which is what I want to do.

The difference is in the "human element" more than the sound. When
virtual instruments first came on the scene some of the sounds were
pretty cheezy due to marginal performance of analog-to-digital and
digital-to-analog converters, and lower resolution recording due to the
high cost of memory and storage space. Today there are some pretty good
sample libraries that are only distinguishable from live instruments by
the skill of the person creating the MIDI tracks, who, more often than
not, isn't a player of the instrument that he's virtualizing.



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[Tom Evans]

On 2017-10-10 02:12:24 +0000, Mike Rivers said:

On 10/9/2017 9:11 PM, Tom Evans wrote:

What's the difference between 'true' and 'virtual' multi-track recording?

"True ... recording" must be a term that was invented because someone
coined the term "virtual ... recording." With virtual recording, you
record a MIDI track which is in essence a program that says what note,
when, for how long, and how loud, on what instrument gets played to the
listener, or for a multitrack production, for the person mixing the
tracks.

It's not the program that says what note, when, for how long, and how
loud, and what instruaments are played. It's the composer who
determines those aspects of the songs -- using the program as a tool to
achieve those aspects of the songs.

Conversely, a "true ... recording" is one where an instrument is played
by a real person, it makes a sound, and that sound is captured by a
microphone and recorded.

It's not as clear-cut as you declare; MIDI recording can incorporate
sampled sounds, which are recordings of musicians playing physical
instruments. Entire songs can be MIDI recordings of snippets of
misicians playing instruments, or combine them with synthesized
instrument sounds, and the voices of the central musician and other
physical or sampled or synthesized human voices.

Each has its place. It's the application and the user that determines
which one is more appropriate to use.

Even though I don't know what 'true' multi-track recording is, I don't
think there's any meaningful difference, because with virtual
multi-track recording I can make songs that incorporate multiple
instruments' sounds, which is what I want to do.

The difference is in the "human element" more than the sound. When
virtual instruments first came on the scene some of the sounds were
pretty cheezy due to marginal performance of analog-to-digital and
digital-to-analog converters, and lower resolution recording due to the
high cost of memory and storage space. Today there are some pretty good
sample libraries that are only distinguishable from live instruments by
the skill of the person creating the MIDI tracks, who, more often than
not, isn't a player of the instrument that he's virtualizing.

It sounds like you're denigrating MIDI multi-track recording in favor
of physical recording, which as silly as denigrating denigrating
digital art in favor of physical art.

The important thing is: what emotional effect does the music or the
art have on the viewer or listerner respectively? The tools of
music-making and art-making are irrelevant.

Tom Evans

[Tom Evans]

On 2017-10-10 02:12:24 +0000, Mike Rivers said:

On 10/9/2017 9:11 PM, Tom Evans wrote:

What's the difference between 'true' and 'virtual' multi-track recording?

"True ... recording" must be a term that was invented because someone
coined the term "virtual ... recording." With virtual recording, you
record a MIDI track which is in essence a program that says what note,
when, for how long, and how loud, on what instrument gets played to the
listener, or for a multitrack production, for the person mixing the
tracks.

Conversely, a "true ... recording" is one where an instrument is played
by a real person, it makes a sound, and that sound is captured by a
microphone and recorded.

Each has its place. It's the application and the user that determines
which one is more appropriate to use.

Even though I don't know what 'true' multi-track recording is, I don't
think there's any meaningful difference, because with virtual
multi-track recording I can make songs that incorporate multiple
instruments' sounds, which is what I want to do.

The difference is in the "human element" more than the sound. When
virtual instruments first came on the scene some of the sounds were
pretty cheezy due to marginal performance of analog-to-digital and
digital-to-analog converters, and lower resolution recording due to the
high cost of memory and storage space. Today there are some pretty good
sample libraries that are only distinguishable from live instruments by
the skill of the person creating the MIDI tracks, who, more often than
not, isn't a player of the instrument that he's virtualizing.

You implied the falsehood that MIDI is the master and controller of the
musician. In truth, a good musician can be the master and controller
of MIDI.

And a good MIDI muliti-track songwriter and musician IS indirectly
playing the instruments, and can be just as creative and just as good
at his craft -- by mixing different instruments and tracks in infinite
combinations, and specifiying every nuance of his songs in a myriad of
ways -- as a musician playing physical instruments only.

And just as with digital artists compared to traditional, physical
artists, the digital, MIDI musicians have available to them MORE
creative possibilites than musicians making music who use only
traditional instruments, such as pianos, drums, guitars and wind
instruments.

You have a narrow, negative perspective on digital music. Fortunately,
I'm broadminded, and very thankful for and excited about the astounding
creative possibilites that MIDi music provides for talented, home-based
musicians like me, and at low costs.

Tom Evans