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follow up - thorens td165 stylus
Thank you Gene Poon for helping me figure out how to fix my record
player, model td165 thorense, that was inherited with my new house. This message is a follow up to our conversation in November 2003, which was left off at the conclusion that we must determine the make of my cartridge. Now as the records I found that november left on the street in Nyack, NY decorate my bedroom, over time it becomes like a pandora's box, so I decided to return to this issue. I discovered a label on the down-facing face of the cartridge a tiny inscription either ADC AOC A0C where the "D" looks more like a square. I infer it's a D, since there is, as it turns out, a company that happens to make phono cartridges called Audio Dynamics Corporation, which to be sure looms somewhere in my reader's phonographic memories.. I would be greatful to the reader, and at large the Usenet community of record players, enthusiasts, etc. if you can tell me what to do at this point. I need a stylus for the record player to function, and I don't know anything about it beyond what Gene Poon has kindly written to me. What kind of stylus? is the information I supplied enough? where do I get it? Especially I cant wait to hear the brandenburg concertos with collegium aureum (whom I haven't heard playing anything, but they sound wonderful) and the casals festival recordings... and .. all these other recordings |
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"Dani" wrote in message
... Thank you Gene Poon for helping me figure out how to fix my record player, model td165 thorense, that was inherited with my new house. This message is a follow up to our conversation in November 2003, which was left off at the conclusion that we must determine the make of my cartridge. Now as the records I found that november left on the street in Nyack, NY decorate my bedroom, over time it becomes like a pandora's box, so I decided to return to this issue. I discovered a label on the down-facing face of the cartridge a tiny inscription either ADC AOC A0C where the "D" looks more like a square. I infer it's a D, since there is, as it turns out, a company that happens to make phono cartridges called Audio Dynamics Corporation, which to be sure looms somewhere in my reader's phonographic memories.. I would be greatful to the reader, and at large the Usenet community of record players, enthusiasts, etc. if you can tell me what to do at this point. I need a stylus for the record player to function, and I don't know anything about it beyond what Gene Poon has kindly written to me. What kind of stylus? is the information I supplied enough? where do I get it? Especially I cant wait to hear the brandenburg concertos with collegium aureum (whom I haven't heard playing anything, but they sound wonderful) and the casals festival recordings... and .. all these other recordings ADC made a broad line of cartridges...they were pretty good to excellent. But since many of them look nearly alike it is important to have some idea of the model number. Let's start with the color, since their better cartridges were black, gold, or silver. Their less expensive were red, blue, grey, brown. If you pull the stylus assembly gently out of the cartridge (forward and down slightly, letting it slide out naturally and not forcing anything), you can examine it closely...their may be a stylus number molded into it. Then go to www.needledoctor.com and look up ADC in their stylus guide (left side under "catalog" "audio cartridges", then scroll down to "needle replacement". Try to match the stylus as closely as possible. Look in particular at the thickness and composition of the stylus shank - the aluminum level that extends from the cartridge body and has the needle on the end. The cheaper ones are thick...the thinner ones quite thin and delicate / elegant looking. If you simply can't tell or are terribly unsure, then I would consider buying a brand new cartridge and needle from the needle doctor. You can get an AT440 for $100, or a Shure M97ED. Of course, if you do the latter, then you have to learn to remove and remount a cartridge, not in and of itself an easy feat. Better to have a dealer or knowledgeable friend do it for you if you are at all uncertain. |
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Thank you Harry Lavo,
ADC made a broad line of cartridges...they were pretty good to excellent. But since many of them look nearly alike it is important to have some idea of the model number. Let's start with the color, since their better cartridges were black, gold, or silver. Their less expensive were red, blue, grey, brown. I determined after putting the piece in more light, that a model number was hidden on a slant overshadowed by the piece extending above it. (ADC was written somewhere else - on the bottom face - that was what I had seen earlier). It's difficult to see because of the shadow and because it's embossed in black, in a black surface. The cartridge is black and gold. Also, I was nevertheless able to discern the embossment: ADC XLM MKII If you pull the stylus assembly gently out of the cartridge (forward and down slightly, letting it slide out naturally and not forcing anything), you can examine it closely...their may be a stylus number molded into it. Then go to www.needledoctor.com and look up ADC in their stylus guide (left side under "catalog" "audio cartridges", then scroll down to "needle replacement". Try to match the stylus as closely as possible. Look in I didn't write clearly that I don't have a stylus. It was taken off or thrown away before. So I wasn't able to do that part of your explanation. But I need a less expensive stylus that would fit this particular cartridge. In needledoctor.com the replacement stulus is $125! There must be more variety of needles to fit this cartridge? I don't think I'm ready to spend that much on this particular commodity. (How much money will I be using up on other things if I'm ready to take out over $100 even on a phonograph needle!) Where do I find and what are cheeper needles for this cartridge? particular at the thickness and composition of the stylus shank - the aluminum level that extends from the cartridge body and has the needle on the end. The cheaper ones are thick...the thinner ones quite thin and delicate / elegant looking. If you simply can't tell or are terribly unsure, then I would consider buying a brand new cartridge and needle from the needle doctor. You can get an AT440 for $100, or a Shure M97ED. Of course, if you do the latter, then you have to learn to remove and remount a cartridge, not in and of itself an easy feat. Better to have a dealer or knowledgeable friend do it for you if you are at all uncertain. |
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"Dani" wrote in message
... Thank you Harry Lavo, ADC made a broad line of cartridges...they were pretty good to excellent. But since many of them look nearly alike it is important to have some idea of the model number. Let's start with the color, since their better cartridges were black, gold, or silver. Their less expensive were red, blue, grey, brown. I determined after putting the piece in more light, that a model number was hidden on a slant overshadowed by the piece extending above it. (ADC was written somewhere else - on the bottom face - that was what I had seen earlier). It's difficult to see because of the shadow and because it's embossed in black, in a black surface. The cartridge is black and gold. Also, I was nevertheless able to discern the embossment: ADC XLM MKII If you pull the stylus assembly gently out of the cartridge (forward and down slightly, letting it slide out naturally and not forcing anything), you can examine it closely...their may be a stylus number molded into it. Then go to www.needledoctor.com and look up ADC in their stylus guide (left side under "catalog" "audio cartridges", then scroll down to "needle replacement". Try to match the stylus as closely as possible. Look in I didn't write clearly that I don't have a stylus. It was taken off or thrown away before. So I wasn't able to do that part of your explanation. But I need a less expensive stylus that would fit this particular cartridge. In needledoctor.com the replacement stulus is $125! There must be more variety of needles to fit this cartridge? I don't think I'm ready to spend that much on this particular commodity. (How much money will I be using up on other things if I'm ready to take out over $100 even on a phonograph needle!) Where do I find and what are cheeper needles for this cartridge? particular at the thickness and composition of the stylus shank - the aluminum level that extends from the cartridge body and has the needle on the end. The cheaper ones are thick...the thinner ones quite thin and delicate / elegant looking. If you simply can't tell or are terribly unsure, then I would consider buying a brand new cartridge and needle from the needle doctor. You can get an AT440 for $100, or a Shure M97ED. Of course, if you do the latter, then you have to learn to remove and remount a cartridge, not in and of itself an easy feat. Better to have a dealer or knowledgeable friend do it for you if you are at all uncertain. Well, I'm certainly not going to tell you that you need to spend $125 dollars for a stylus. You can buy a decent cartridge for substantially less than that. What I will say is that the ADC XLM MkII is one of the great all-time moving magnet cartridges, so for that amount of money you could go right to the head of the class, alongside of or ahead of the Shure V15 currently selling for $329 and ahead of everything else. |
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(Dani) wrote: There must be more variety of needles to fit this cartridge? I don't think I'm ready to spend that much on this particular commodity. I went to Froogle ( http://www.froogle.com ) and typed in stylus ADC XLM and got four hits, including Needle Doctor's. Two of the places have replacement styli at maybe one-third the cost of Needle Doctor's. Now, I've never dealt with either place (I've dealt with Needle Doctor and liked them), and I don't even know if these are genuine ADC replacements or if there is a difference in styli between the XLM and the XLM Mk II. There may be substantial sonic differences between these and "the real thing." But if you're looking just for a stylus that will fit, these are much cheaper ways to go. sd |
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