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Emil,
Bass Clarinet, Bassoon, Contrabassoon, English Horn, If you're aiming to sample these orchestral instruments for playback in a sampler, and you hope to get a realistic sound, you should record in a better environment than a small dead room. Best is a stage in an auditorium - maybe the local college will let you do that late at night. --Ethan |
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"Ethan Winer" ethanw at ethanwiner dot com wrote in message
... Emil, Bass Clarinet, Bassoon, Contrabassoon, English Horn, If you're aiming to sample these orchestral instruments for playback in a sampler, and you hope to get a realistic sound, you should record in a better environment than a small dead room. Best is a stage in an auditorium - maybe the local college will let you do that late at night. Agreed; once you have the hall, look into renting a pair of Neumann KM-84s, Schoepses or perhaps Sennheiser MKH-40s; use them in ORTF or XY formation. Placement will vary depending on the room and how wet you want the samples to sound. Peace, Paul |
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If you're going for orchestral emulation, don't bother recording in a small
room. There is about 20 years worth of close miked samples out there already. Why bother with more? Go to your local college and set up in a decent hall. Alternately, a church with a large auditorium would work. If you aren't planning on using these orchestrally close micing them is OK, but in a tiny dead room? Ugh. At least use a large living room or something. "I'm beginning to suspect that your problem is the gap between what you say and what you think you have said." -george (paraphrased) |
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advice - recording woodwinds
hi
need to record istrument ( single notes) for sampling of Bass Clarinet, Bassoon, Contrabassoon, English Horn, for this recording i have for the moment Rode NT1 http://www.rode.com.au/specsnt1/ and SMpro audio MC03 http://www.smproaudio.com/mc03.htm planing to record istrument in a isolation booth 3metars by 4 metars 2.5metars hi what do You think about microphone ( thats all i have for the moment) :-( maybe i need to get somthing else for mic? please advice for low budget solution any sugestion of positioning mics for each istrument? Please help Best Regards emil |
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thanx for advise
soory i did not mention i need without room reverb and after 20 Years of recording close mice samples from all of You i will do new one :-) the new one without reverbation hmmm so i think dead room is a only option or i am wrong ? if i get pair of Neumann KM-84s, Schoepses or Sennheiser MKH-40s will do XY formation - how close to a istrument that can be? if i dont find this nice mics in Croatia - will need to do it with Rode Nt1 and Sm pro audio MC03 so presise qustion is how to record: Bass Clarinet, Bassoon, Contrabassoon, English Horn, using just Rode Nt1 and Sm pro audio MC03 in a tiny dead room i will not start to cray and give up if You answers going to be: dont do it is not posible give up... or - this is not question for rec.audio.pro :-) Thanx again to Ethan, Paul and Knud Peace emil |
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Reording in a larger environment isn't so much about wet vs. dry as it
is about dull vs lively. Close micing in a small dry room will likely yeild a bland a somewhat inconsistant and 'peaky' sound. Using a stero micing technique (lately I've been favoring 'ORTF") in a larger room, will yeild a more lifelike reproduction of the instrument that will sit in the mix better. You can control how wet it sounds by the distance away from the source you place the mics. If you're really concerned about audible reverb, try a medium sized room (like a living room) that doesn't sound too unruly and place the mics about 3 feet away from the source. It shouldn't sound too wet but should have a nice realism. Keep in mind that a liberal use of compression will bring out the room. If you're hell bent on creating something different or "true to life' reproduction is not your main concern, the Rode you mentioned should give an interesting sound, probably will be a bit bright with alot of audible wind sound. You will probably want to get the mic as far away from the instrument as possible in your dry room so that you get a more 'developed' sound with less inconsistencies. I've pasted a link below that has some really good information about mic techinques. http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/1997...mictechs2.html Good luck, Norm!! In article , emil SonarScope wrote: thanx for advise soory i did not mention i need without room reverb and after 20 Years of recording close mice samples from all of You i will do new one :-) the new one without reverbation hmmm so i think dead room is a only option or i am wrong ? if i get pair of Neumann KM-84s, Schoepses or Sennheiser MKH-40s will do XY formation - how close to a istrument that can be? if i dont find this nice mics in Croatia - will need to do it with Rode Nt1 and Sm pro audio MC03 so presise qustion is how to record: Bass Clarinet, Bassoon, Contrabassoon, English Horn, using just Rode Nt1 and Sm pro audio MC03 in a tiny dead room i will not start to cray and give up if You answers going to be: dont do it is not posible give up... or - this is not question for rec.audio.pro :-) Thanx again to Ethan, Paul and Knud Peace emil |
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Reording in a larger environment isn't so much about wet vs. dry as it
is about dull vs lively. Close micing in a small dry room will likely yeild a bland a somewhat inconsistant and 'peaky' sound. Using a stero micing technique (lately I've been favoring 'ORTF") in a larger room, will yeild a more lifelike reproduction of the instrument that will sit in the mix better. You can control how wet it sounds by the distance away from the source you place the mics. If you're really concerned about audible reverb, try a medium sized room (like a living room) that doesn't sound too unruly and place the mics about 3 feet away from the source. It shouldn't sound too wet but should have a nice realism. Keep in mind that a liberal use of compression will bring out the room. If you're hell bent on creating something different or "true to life' reproduction is not your main concern, the Rode you mentioned should give an interesting sound, probably will be a bit bright with alot of audible wind sound. You will probably want to get the mic as far away from the instrument as possible in your dry room so that you get a more 'developed' sound with less inconsistencies. I've pasted a link below that has some really good information about mic techinques. http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/1997...mictechs2.html Good luck, Norm!! In article , emil SonarScope wrote: thanx for advise soory i did not mention i need without room reverb and after 20 Years of recording close mice samples from all of You i will do new one :-) the new one without reverbation hmmm so i think dead room is a only option or i am wrong ? if i get pair of Neumann KM-84s, Schoepses or Sennheiser MKH-40s will do XY formation - how close to a istrument that can be? if i dont find this nice mics in Croatia - will need to do it with Rode Nt1 and Sm pro audio MC03 so presise qustion is how to record: Bass Clarinet, Bassoon, Contrabassoon, English Horn, using just Rode Nt1 and Sm pro audio MC03 in a tiny dead room i will not start to cray and give up if You answers going to be: dont do it is not posible give up... or - this is not question for rec.audio.pro :-) Thanx again to Ethan, Paul and Knud Peace emil |
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Thanx for tips Norm. .
I read all sugestion and link what You give Dry room recording and living room recording will do it for shure for each istrument In my town is a nice katedral so if i going to be lucky some of a istruments can record there. This is a list of wodwinds i need to do it Sopran Fluta Tenor Fluta Alto Flute Piccolo Flute Bass Flute Oboe Clarinet Bass Clarinet Bassoon Contrabassoon English Horn Soprano Saxophone Alto Saxophone Tenor Saxophone Baritone Saxophone all need to be done in short period and will have not much time for expirments so You post just give me lots of information i need and fresh energy :-) Thanx again Peace emil -- "Norm!!" wrote in message ... Reording in a larger environment isn't so much about wet vs. dry as it is about dull vs lively. Close micing in a small dry room will likely yeild a bland a somewhat inconsistant and 'peaky' sound. Using a stero micing technique (lately I've been favoring 'ORTF") in a larger room, will yeild a more lifelike reproduction of the instrument that will sit in the mix better. You can control how wet it sounds by the distance away from the source you place the mics. If you're really concerned about audible reverb, try a medium sized room (like a living room) that doesn't sound too unruly and place the mics about 3 feet away from the source. It shouldn't sound too wet but should have a nice realism. Keep in mind that a liberal use of compression will bring out the room. If you're hell bent on creating something different or "true to life' reproduction is not your main concern, the Rode you mentioned should give an interesting sound, probably will be a bit bright with alot of audible wind sound. You will probably want to get the mic as far away from the instrument as possible in your dry room so that you get a more 'developed' sound with less inconsistencies. I've pasted a link below that has some really good information about mic techinques. http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/1997...mictechs2.html Good luck, Norm!! In article , emil SonarScope wrote: thanx for advise soory i did not mention i need without room reverb and after 20 Years of recording close mice samples from all of You i will do new one :-) the new one without reverbation hmmm so i think dead room is a only option or i am wrong ? if i get pair of Neumann KM-84s, Schoepses or Sennheiser MKH-40s will do XY formation - how close to a istrument that can be? if i dont find this nice mics in Croatia - will need to do it with Rode Nt1 and Sm pro audio MC03 so presise qustion is how to record: Bass Clarinet, Bassoon, Contrabassoon, English Horn, using just Rode Nt1 and Sm pro audio MC03 in a tiny dead room i will not start to cray and give up if You answers going to be: dont do it is not posible give up... or - this is not question for rec.audio.pro :-) Thanx again to Ethan, Paul and Knud Peace emil |
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Thanx for tips Norm. .
I read all sugestion and link what You give Dry room recording and living room recording will do it for shure for each istrument In my town is a nice katedral so if i going to be lucky some of a istruments can record there. This is a list of wodwinds i need to do it Sopran Fluta Tenor Fluta Alto Flute Piccolo Flute Bass Flute Oboe Clarinet Bass Clarinet Bassoon Contrabassoon English Horn Soprano Saxophone Alto Saxophone Tenor Saxophone Baritone Saxophone all need to be done in short period and will have not much time for expirments so You post just give me lots of information i need and fresh energy :-) Thanx again Peace emil -- "Norm!!" wrote in message ... Reording in a larger environment isn't so much about wet vs. dry as it is about dull vs lively. Close micing in a small dry room will likely yeild a bland a somewhat inconsistant and 'peaky' sound. Using a stero micing technique (lately I've been favoring 'ORTF") in a larger room, will yeild a more lifelike reproduction of the instrument that will sit in the mix better. You can control how wet it sounds by the distance away from the source you place the mics. If you're really concerned about audible reverb, try a medium sized room (like a living room) that doesn't sound too unruly and place the mics about 3 feet away from the source. It shouldn't sound too wet but should have a nice realism. Keep in mind that a liberal use of compression will bring out the room. If you're hell bent on creating something different or "true to life' reproduction is not your main concern, the Rode you mentioned should give an interesting sound, probably will be a bit bright with alot of audible wind sound. You will probably want to get the mic as far away from the instrument as possible in your dry room so that you get a more 'developed' sound with less inconsistencies. I've pasted a link below that has some really good information about mic techinques. http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/1997...mictechs2.html Good luck, Norm!! In article , emil SonarScope wrote: thanx for advise soory i did not mention i need without room reverb and after 20 Years of recording close mice samples from all of You i will do new one :-) the new one without reverbation hmmm so i think dead room is a only option or i am wrong ? if i get pair of Neumann KM-84s, Schoepses or Sennheiser MKH-40s will do XY formation - how close to a istrument that can be? if i dont find this nice mics in Croatia - will need to do it with Rode Nt1 and Sm pro audio MC03 so presise qustion is how to record: Bass Clarinet, Bassoon, Contrabassoon, English Horn, using just Rode Nt1 and Sm pro audio MC03 in a tiny dead room i will not start to cray and give up if You answers going to be: dont do it is not posible give up... or - this is not question for rec.audio.pro :-) Thanx again to Ethan, Paul and Knud Peace emil |
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