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your Car Amplifier advice, please!
Some people here have good avice. Thats the advice I follow. The few
others I will ignore. "Paul Vina" wrote in message news:gISNb.79497$8H.115863@attbi_s03... Why don't you go to their site and find out for yourself seeing as no matter how much good advice we give you, you still come to your own goofball conclusions anyway. Paul Vina "Brian" wrote in message om... I haven't tried PG yet. What model (or series) can you suggest? Whats their best stuff? Having said that I want to know if you've auditioned Phoenix Gold amps. ZX series, or the newer Titanium series. I've been hooked on them for years. The happiest I have ever been in terms of SQ was when I had my Nakamichi CD-700 powering the aforementioned PG amps wtih the same Dyn 360 set you have. The only bad thing I can say is I was running the entire system actively |
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your Car Amplifier advice, please!
that is pretty funny Paul... But it is the way of the world..
Try hard to educate these goofballs and they still make thier decision for no appearant reason... Brian wrote: Some people here have good avice. Thats the advice I follow. The few others I will ignore. "Paul Vina" wrote in message news:gISNb.79497$8H.115863@attbi_s03... Why don't you go to their site and find out for yourself seeing as no matter how much good advice we give you, you still come to your own goofball conclusions anyway. |
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your Car Amplifier advice, please!
btw, there is no doubt in my mind that different amps have their own
"sonic signatures" when playing actual music and driving an actual speaker load. Well, of the list you provide, I have extensive experience with a/d/s/ (I currently own 4 of them and have owned others too) and adcom. So I guess it will disappoint you to hear that I've been unable to distinguish a difference in "sonic signatures" between these and other amplifiers I used. I guess that rules them out. By the way, how are these "sonic signatures" coming about? Why do they disappear when you bench test amplifiers driving actual loads? Are they only peeking out when you're not measuring them, or have we still not discovered some very important aspects about electricity that somehow causes a speaker to move differently even when the signal isn't telling it to? |
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your Car Amplifier advice, please!
I spoke with a principal at Dynaudio, who recommended Linear Power and
Brax reference amp. I would add Genesis, LinearPower, a/d/s/, and....I can't think of my last option. |
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your Car Amplifier advice, please!
Brian wrote: "I haven't tried PG yet. What model (or series) can you
suggest? Whats their best stuff?" The ZX series is now called their Titanium series I believe. I'm not sure there's much of a difference. However, if you've been reading all the posts, then there's not much difference between the Titanium series and a Radio Shack Optimus amplifer. LOL All kidding aside, Mark, Paul, Soundfreak and Eddie really know their stuff. Maybe I'm just not ready to believe them yet (denial is wonderful). I believe my ears...which is connected to my brain...and if my brain is deceiving me then oh well. It's all good. I appreciate and respect their advice. I myself have been pondering Brax amplifiers. But I can't justify the money and honestly, I love my PG amps. Tony -- What's more likely? That an all-powerful mysterious god created the universe and then decided not to give any proof of his existence? Or, that he simply doesn't exist at all? And that we created him so that we wouldn't have to feel so small and alone. -Eleanor Arroway, Contact "Brian" wrote in message om... I haven't tried PG yet. What model (or series) can you suggest? Whats their best stuff? Having said that I want to know if you've auditioned Phoenix Gold amps. ZX series, or the newer Titanium series. I've been hooked on them for years. The happiest I have ever been in terms of SQ was when I had my Nakamichi CD-700 powering the aforementioned PG amps wtih the same Dyn 360 set you have. The only bad thing I can say is I was running the entire system actively |
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your Car Amplifier advice, please!
Hey Mark, I have an Orion 2100 HCCA sitting here that is rated at 100w x 2 @
4ohms that will show you that a 100 watts is not 100watts. 100 watts IS 100 watts. But distortion content will differ between amplifiers. However, simply put, it's too low to be audible. |
#47
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your Car Amplifier advice, please!
Hey Mark, I have an Orion 2100 HCCA sitting here that is rated at 100w x 2
@ 4ohms that will show you that a 100 watts is not 100watts. Yeah? What's wrong with it? |
#48
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your Car Amplifier advice, please!
Hey Mark, I have an Orion 2100 HCCA sitting here that is rated at 100w x 2 @
4ohms that will show you that a 100 watts is not 100watts. Hmmm...shoot, now I AM confused. If 100 watts isn't 100 watts...... Then what the hell IS 100 watts???? Nick |
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your Car Amplifier advice, please!
"Captain Howdy" wrote in message
... With all of the different options between amps such as x-overs, bass-boost, compression, it's hard to get any two amps to sound the same. Another problem is that 100watts is not the same between any two amps. Although I see what you a watt, is a watt, no matter what. |
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your Car Amplifier advice, please!
"Brian" wrote in message
m... Someone else also sugested trying Audison VRx series, and Diamond D7 series. Yes, also Brax, Adcom (ebay), A/D/S, McIntosh and Xtant. I only wish I had time to spend trying all these different amps out. lol If anyone has experience with any of these amps mentioned, please comment. Perhaps some opinions could help narrow it down a bit. btw, there is no doubt in my mind that different amps have their own "sonic signatures" when playing actual music and driving an actual speaker load. it's funny that you mention Diamond those amps were developed by Esoteric Audio before they went thru their things. |
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your Car Amplifier advice, please!
"Brian" wrote in message
om... I spoke with a principal at Dynaudio, who recommended Linear Power and Brax reference amp. I would add Genesis, LinearPower, a/d/s/, and....I can't think of my last option. well then give them a look, who did you speak with?? |
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your Car Amplifier advice, please!
There is nothing wrong with it other then it being extremely under rated and
the fact that not many amps in it's class will keep up to it's rated 200 watts. How many 200watt amps have you seen that need to be fused at 120amps. In article , "Mark Zarella" wrote: Hey Mark, I have an Orion 2100 HCCA sitting here that is rated at 100w x 2 @ 4ohms that will show you that a 100 watts is not 100watts. Yeah? What's wrong with it? |
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your Car Amplifier advice, please!
I totally understand that a watt is a watts. What I am saying is that a watt
is not a watt between any two amplifiers. You can have two brand new amplifiers that are both the same make and model and one will put out more wattage then the other. In article , "Tha Ghee" wrote: "Captain Howdy" wrote in message ... With all of the different options between amps such as x-overs, bass-boost, compression, it's hard to get any two amps to sound the same. Another problem is that 100watts is not the same between any two amps. Although I see what you a watt, is a watt, no matter what. |
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your Car Amplifier advice, please!
But yet, none of them use Radio Shack Optimus amplifiers.
In article , "Tony Fernandes" wrote: Brian wrote: "I haven't tried PG yet. What model (or series) can you suggest? Whats their best stuff?" The ZX series is now called their Titanium series I believe. I'm not sure there's much of a difference. However, if you've been reading all the posts, then there's not much difference between the Titanium series and a Radio Shack Optimus amplifer. LOL All kidding aside, Mark, Paul, Soundfreak and Eddie really know their stuff. Maybe I'm just not ready to believe them yet (denial is wonderful). I believe my ears...which is connected to my brain...and if my brain is deceiving me then oh well. It's all good. I appreciate and respect their advice. I myself have been pondering Brax amplifiers. But I can't justify the money and honestly, I love my PG amps. Tony |
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your Car Amplifier advice, please!
There is nothing wrong with it other then it being extremely under rated
and the fact that not many amps in it's class will keep up to it's rated 200 watts. How many 200watt amps have you seen that need to be fused at 120amps. If it's underrated, then it's not a 200 watt amp. |
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your Car Amplifier advice, please!
I totally understand that a watt is a watts. What I am saying is that a
watt is not a watt between any two amplifiers. You can have two brand new amplifiers that are both the same make and model and one will put out more wattage then the other. So what does that tell you, aside from one is more powerful than the other? |
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your Car Amplifier advice, please!
But yet, none of them use Radio Shack Optimus amplifiers.
They don't have any amps that have the feature set I want. My amp-buying strategy was to buy the cheapest possible amp that has the features I needed. I was after multichannel amplifiers that took up little space and had the internal crossovers necessary to triamp my front component set and biamp my rears. Hence, I ended up with used older amps off of ebay. I have 18 channels of amplification in my car, and spent $400 in total. |
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your Car Amplifier advice, please!
So does anyone here like the US Amps products? I've looked in a couple of
them and they have a very solid design, at least the USA50HC, 100HC and the 2000X looked good. -- Jammy Harbin J & J Electronics, Inc 227 S. 4Th St. Selmer, TN 38375 731-645-3311 "Tha Ghee" wrote in message ... "Brian" wrote in message om... I spoke with a principal at Dynaudio, who recommended Linear Power and Brax reference amp. I would add Genesis, LinearPower, a/d/s/, and....I can't think of my last option. well then give them a look, who did you speak with?? |
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your Car Amplifier advice, please!
But yet, none of them use Radio Shack Optimus amplifiers.
You right. I can find an amp with the features I want for less. They do not make a 5 channel amp, 4 channels of class AB and a channel of class D for the sub. I have owned all kinds of amps though, from Crunch to Phoenix Gold to Memphis. There are WAY more important qualities to search for with an amp. Why do you have a hard time understanding that? Les |
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your Car Amplifier advice, please!
btw, there is no doubt in my mind that different amps have their own
"sonic signatures" when playing actual music and driving an actual speaker load. How many blind listening tests have you been involved in? Nonetheless there are more important things to look for in an amp than being concerned with SQ. But noobs have it in thier minds that if it does not have that certain name on the front that it will not sound good. That is just not the case, its an audio myth, perpetuated by manufactures and ignorance. Tell me, how can you hear a lack of bass response when the amp in flat in your hearing range? Or a lack of midrange or that "air". Your brain can play serious tricks on you, and I think you have been duped. Les |
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your Car Amplifier advice, please!
There is nothing wrong with it other then it being extremely under rated and
the fact that not many amps in it's class will keep up to it's rated 200 watts. How many 200watt amps have you seen that need to be fused at 120amps. And the whole time we the discussion has been about real watts, not the numbers printed on the box. If it can cleanly put out more than 200Watts then it is not a 200Watt amp. Are you confused again Howdy, does everyone need to type in smaller words so you can keep up? Les |
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your Car Amplifier advice, please!
I totally understand that a watt is a watts. What I am saying is that a watt
is not a watt between any two amplifiers. You can have two brand new amplifiers that are both the same make and model and one will put out more wattage then the other. So?? What is your point? |
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your Car Amplifier advice, please!
I spoke with Al.
I appologize for getting defensive to a few posts here. I do appreciate and respect everyone's experience and opinion. Its getting overwhelming trying to decide what amp to get. There's just too many options out there. People keep suggesting more and more different brands. There's just too many!!! Adcom, a/d/s, Audison, Brax, Butler, Diamond, DLS, Genesis, LinearPower, McIntosh, PhoenixGold, PPI, Xtant, Zapco... If anyone has experience with any of these, please share your comments as far as sound quality goes. (please name specific models) I already tried Butler TDB-475, DLS Ultimate A3, PPI PCX-4125, and Zapco C2K-6.0X. Thank you. I would add Genesis, LinearPower, a/d/s/, and....I can't think of my last option. well then give them a look, who did you speak with?? |
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your Car Amplifier advice, please!
What it tells me is that 100 watts is not 100watts between any two amplifiers.
Like I said. In article , "Mark Zarella" wrote: I totally understand that a watt is a watts. What I am saying is that a watt is not a watt between any two amplifiers. You can have two brand new amplifiers that are both the same make and model and one will put out more wattage then the other. So what does that tell you, aside from one is more powerful than the other? |
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your Car Amplifier advice, please!
My point is stated below, Lester are challenged also?
In article , othanks (Soundfreak03) wrote: I totally understand that a watt is a watts. What I am saying is that a watt is not a watt between any two amplifiers. You can have two brand new amplifiers that are both the same make and model and one will put out more wattage then the other. So?? What is your point? |
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your Car Amplifier advice, please!
It says right on the amp that it's 200watts. LOL
In article , "Mark Zarella" wrote: There is nothing wrong with it other then it being extremely under rated and the fact that not many amps in it's class will keep up to it's rated 200 watts. How many 200watt amps have you seen that need to be fused at 120amps. If it's underrated, then it's not a 200 watt amp. |
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your Car Amplifier advice, please!
And the whole time we the discussion has been about real watts, not the numbers printed on the box. No the numbers are engraved on the amp. LOL If it can cleanly put out more than 200Watts then it is not a 200Watt amp. It says that it's a 200watts amp right on it. Are you confused again Howdy, does everyone need to type in smaller words so you can keep up? No the font size is just fine, it's all of your spelling mistakes that are slowing me down. Les |
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your Car Amplifier advice, please!
What it tells me is that 100 watts is not 100watts between any two
amplifiers. Like I said. What happens if you remove the little "100 watt" emblem from the amp and put "10000 watts" on it? Would that then make it a 10000 watt amp? |
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your Car Amplifier advice, please!
Im gonna recommend older hifonics VIII amps. I love my
odin/vulcan/jupiter setup for my highs. IMHO they seem to clip less harshly when pushed to their limits. IMHO this is important with the image dynamics horn conpression drivers I am running for front soundstage, they can get harsh around 3200 Hz if the amplified signal is not "clean". I am one of those who cant hear an audible difference between amp circuits when driven within their linear range. IMHO my profile CA 1200 sounds just as good as my hifonics amps when driven within its linear range. So I think you should try and listen to as many amps as possible, you may be pleasantly surprised. My profile is supposed to be a Korean turd but IMHO it sounds good and has been very reliable the past 2 years running @ 2 ohms. Garrett Brian wrote: Please offer your advice on what amp to get. I've wasted a lot of time/money and its time to seek some expert advice before going any further! I've managed to cram a Dynaudio System 360 into the front doors and kick-panels of a 2003 Passat. (3-way system with 8" midbass, 3" softdome midrange, and 1" softdome tweeter.) In the rear doors is a Dynaudio System 240 (2-way system with 6-1/2" midbass and 1" softdome tweeter.) All speakers are standard 4ohm. I'd like to power these full range (no subs) using the Dynaudio passive crossover boxes. The amp characteristic I'm trying to achieve would be similar to an Aragon 8008 (home audio amp). I've not been able to find a car audio amp that sounds like it. Its a very neutral sound. Doesn't add anything thats not already there, but just faithfully provides everything thats in the recording. Here's the amps I've tried so far: PPI PCX-4125 (125W x4ch) -- I love the rich midrange and midbass, but the highs are a little rough and there is absolutely no extended highs ("air") at all. Zapco C2K-6.0X (150W x2ch -- used to power all 4 speakers as a 2ohm stereo load) -- This amp is incredibly clean-sounding. The extended highs are immaculate. But it sounds thin in the midrange, as if something is missing. The meat and potatoes just not there. Butler Tube Driver Blue TDB-475 (75W x4ch) -- From what I've read, I expected this amp to be the solution, but it sounds weak in the bass and mid-bass and is just not neutral enough. It has an interesting sound, but is somehow "fake", as if the sound is going through some kind of sound processer to give it some sort of "effect". (I guess thats what the tubes are adding to the sound?) The music just didn't sound "real" to me. I actually hooked up my Aragon 8008 home amp to run these Dynaudio speakers, and it sounded perfect, so its not just a case of me searching for something thats impossible. Is there a car amp that can do what the Aragon can do? (If it was possible to convert the Aragon to run on 12VDC, I would!) Do you have any opinions on an amp that is very neutral, but also has some "meat and potatoes" in the midrange and midbass? (that has the rich PPI mid-bass/mid-range, but also with the Zapco's pristine extended-highs.) (4 channel is preferred, but not mandatory) Any guidance would be greatly appreciated !! Thank you. |
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My point is stated below, Lester are challenged also?
Your point is pointless. You stated; "What I am saying is that a watt is not a watt between any two amplifiers." A watt is a watt is a watt. A watt in one amp is the same as a watt in another amp. Does that confuse you? What a watt is does not change between amps as you seem to think. The label on the amp is meaningless, only noobs go by the label on the amp. Hmmm that doesn't shock me that you do rely on that meaningless stickers on the amp. Les |
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your Car Amplifier advice, please!
And the whole time we the discussion has been about real watts, not the
numbers printed on the box. No the numbers are engraved on the amp. LOL So? I think you have trouble reading in context. I said REAL watts, as in the watts the amp is able to cleanly put out. Just because they put a number on the amp does not mean it is true. Is that a concept you have trouble understanding? It says that it's a 200watts amp right on it. Again. so? No the font size is just fine, it's all of your spelling mistakes that are slowing me down. Funny, they do not seem to slow anyone else down. But then again, most people do not have reading problems like you and Puggy. Les |
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your Car Amplifier advice, please!
What happens if you remove the little "100 watt" emblem from the amp and put
"10000 watts" on it? Would that then make it a 10000 watt amp? Of course Everyone knows that the emblem on the amp is always the truth. (The previous statement is soaked in sarcasm, just clarification for Howdy's bad reading skills) Les |
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your Car Amplifier advice, please!
10 watts IS 100 watts. But you can't say that one amp's 100 watts is more
than another's because the first is underrated. If the first is underrated then it's not a 100 watt amp so it BETTER be louder. Paul Vina "TheBIessedDead" wrote in message ... Hey Mark, I have an Orion 2100 HCCA sitting here that is rated at 100w x 2 @ 4ohms that will show you that a 100 watts is not 100watts. Hmmm...shoot, now I AM confused. If 100 watts isn't 100 watts...... Then what the hell IS 100 watts???? Nick |
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your Car Amplifier advice, please!
So?
You can't look at ratings, only at ACTUAL power output when making comparisons. Paul Vina "Captain Howdy" wrote in message ... I totally understand that a watt is a watts. What I am saying is that a watt is not a watt between any two amplifiers. You can have two brand new amplifiers that are both the same make and model and one will put out more wattage then the other. In article , "Tha Ghee" wrote: "Captain Howdy" wrote in message ... With all of the different options between amps such as x-overs, bass-boost, compression, it's hard to get any two amps to sound the same. Another problem is that 100watts is not the same between any two amps. Although I see what you a watt, is a watt, no matter what. |
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your Car Amplifier advice, please!
I know. It's like, "tell me all of your opinions, because I want what you
have and if you want me to make up my own mind then you'r an asshole for suggesting I come to my own conclusion". And people wonder why the general state of car audio blows. Paul Vina "Eddie Runner" wrote in message ... that is pretty funny Paul... But it is the way of the world.. Try hard to educate these goofballs and they still make thier decision for no appearant reason... Brian wrote: Some people here have good avice. Thats the advice I follow. The few others I will ignore. "Paul Vina" wrote in message news:gISNb.79497$8H.115863@attbi_s03... Why don't you go to their site and find out for yourself seeing as no matter how much good advice we give you, you still come to your own goofball conclusions anyway. |
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your Car Amplifier advice, please!
I didn't think Optimus was still making amps. Besides, they don't have any
that fit my needs when they did make them. Paul Vina "Captain Howdy" wrote in message ... But yet, none of them use Radio Shack Optimus amplifiers. In article , "Tony Fernandes" wrote: Brian wrote: "I haven't tried PG yet. What model (or series) can you suggest? Whats their best stuff?" The ZX series is now called their Titanium series I believe. I'm not sure there's much of a difference. However, if you've been reading all the posts, then there's not much difference between the Titanium series and a Radio Shack Optimus amplifer. LOL All kidding aside, Mark, Paul, Soundfreak and Eddie really know their stuff. Maybe I'm just not ready to believe them yet (denial is wonderful). I believe my ears...which is connected to my brain...and if my brain is deceiving me then oh well. It's all good. I appreciate and respect their advice. I myself have been pondering Brax amplifiers. But I can't justify the money and honestly, I love my PG amps. Tony |
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10 watts IS 100 watts.
Since when? |
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your Car Amplifier advice, please!
Let's see, I've used Soundstream Granite 60.2, Rubicon 604 and 702, Rockford
Fosgate Punch 40dsm, Linear Power 992IQ and 652IQ, MTX 4300X, Kicker ZR600, ZR360 and ZX460, Bazooka EL1500 and EL460 and JL Audio 300/4. Thay've all done what I've wanted them to do. Somew were ballsier than others but comparing a *rated* 600 watt amp against a *rated* 40 watt amp would be stupid, so I won't do it. I used the Punch 40 for 3 10W6s and they sounded awesome and I used the ZR600 on the same 10W6s in the same box and they sounded great on that, just louder. Paul Vina If anyone has experience with any of these, please share your comments as far as sound quality goes. (please name specific models) I already tried Butler TDB-475, DLS Ultimate A3, PPI PCX-4125, and Zapco C2K-6.0X. Thank you. I would add Genesis, LinearPower, a/d/s/, and....I can't think of my last option. well then give them a look, who did you speak with?? |
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10 watts IS 100 watts.
Paul, I will take 10 of those amps off of your hands Your going to be a millionaire, don't forget us little people |
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Soundfreak wrote: "only noobs go by the label on the amp." Is there such a thing as a passive amplier? Because my Phoenix Gold amps don't have any power rating labels on them!!! WHAT AM I GONNA DO??? :-) Tony What's more likely? That an all-powerful mysterious god created the universe and then decided not to give any proof of his existence? Or, that he simply doesn't exist at all? And that we created him so that we wouldn't have to feel so small and alone. -Eleanor Arroway, Contact |
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