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Rusty Boudreaux quacking on tube amps
"Powell" wrote in message
... "Stewart Pinkerton" wrote If you're dumb enough to get into this kind of debate, it helps if you actually understand how amps work..................... Quack, quack, quack... He's a duck. Explains a lot about his inability to learn. |
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Rusty Boudreaux quacking on tube amps
Sockpuppet Yustabe said: Quack, quack, quack... If it looks like a duck, talks like a duck, and swims like a duck, it's Powell! Actually, Powell-spoor is only the incessant quacking. One response for all situations that leave the poor thing tongue-tied. |
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"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message
... No mainstream amplifier company uses tubes McIntosh uses tubes. As does Audio Research, Conrad Johnson, VTL, Cary, Jolida and some other companies whose products have been purchased by audio hobbyists for a number of years. All ot these companies are quite well established and have been in business for qutie some time. They are not mainstream. |
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"Rusty Boudreaux" wrote in message
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... Did you check out the Behringer I posted a URL for a few days ago? Maybe twice the power per channel for about 2/3 the price per channel, as I recall. Although it seems promising I didn't take time to check out the Behringer. Since Powell challenged with QSC, Hafler, and Crown I thought those would be good places to start. When you're dealing with Powell, a good place to start is the door, since he has a long, well-known track record of not responding to reason or guidance from people who are more experienced than he is. |
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"R. D. Davis" wrote in message
In article , "Rusty Boudreaux" scribbles: I only speak for myself. Although, if tube amps were in the mainstream we'd see them at retailers other than the odd high-end shop. If good amplifiers, period, were in the mainstream, we'd see more solid state amps like Crowns and McIntoshes, as well as some nice tube amps, sold by more retailers. Unfortunately, cheap junk is what popular with the so-called mainstream. In audio the mainstream is the Pioneers, the Sonys, etc. Their amps are as a rule sonically transparent, even with difficult loads, as long as clipping is avoided. More than you can say for the typical boutique vacuum tube amp we see being hyped these days - example the Carys. BTW, how do you explain there being enough demand for the reproduction MC2000, 50th anniversary, amp for McIntosh to have designed and introduced the MC2102? Yes, consumer demand resulted in this. Sentimentality, bragging rights, and people with more money than brains and/or charity. No mainstream amplifier company uses tubes McIntosh uses tubes. McIntosh isn't mainstream. Last I heard McIntosh was a pet image-builder owned by a Japanese conglomerate. No tube discussion in design related electronic magazines That depends upon which magazines one reads. No tube discussion in IEEE journals or conferences http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/select/0898/tube.html This is just a tutorial review of well-known technology, and an isolated occurrence. IEEE Spectrum Cover story: "The Cool Sound of Tubes: One of the last remaining tube domains is in music applications, but there the devices flourish and even innovate", by Eric Barbour, August, 1998 A fluff piece by a recent (laid off or retired?) employee of a vendor of tubes, namely Svetlana. |
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"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message
R. D. Davis wrote: McIntosh uses tubes. As does Audio Research, Conrad Johnson, VTL, Cary, Jolida and some other companies whose products have been purchased by audio hobbyists for a number of years. All ot these companies are quite well established and have been in business for qutie some time. They are all boutique companies with tiny production runs and outlandish prices. Some are probably teetering on bankruptcy, and/or will disappear when the founder, chief engineer and janitor retires or goes bankrupt. Some are hobbies sponsored by serious work in other areas of technology. |
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"Rusty Boudreaux" wrote in message ... Note the title's emphasis on music, not audio. Yes, I noticed. ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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"Rusty Boudreaux" wrote in message ... "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message ... No mainstream amplifier company uses tubes McIntosh uses tubes. As does Audio Research, Conrad Johnson, VTL, Cary, Jolida and some other companies whose products have been purchased by audio hobbyists for a number of years. All ot these companies are quite well established and have been in business for qutie some time. They are not mainstream. Sharp, Sanyo and Technics are mainstraim. They put out thousands of amps for under a $100. That is the cost of a good set of ooutput tubes. 'Mainstraim' and 'good' are not sysnonymous. Mainstream is usually crap. ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message R. D. Davis wrote: McIntosh uses tubes. As does Audio Research, Conrad Johnson, VTL, Cary, Jolida and some other companies whose products have been purchased by audio hobbyists for a number of years. All ot these companies are quite well established and have been in business for qutie some time. They are all boutique companies with tiny production runs and outlandish prices. Some are probably teetering on bankruptcy, and/or will disappear when the founder, chief engineer and janitor retires or goes bankrupt. Some are hobbies sponsored by serious work in other areas of technology. IDIOT! Boutiques companies making small production runs of high qaulity products, with the hands on individual attention of the owner/designer. And you think that is a putdown!!! ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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"Sockpuppet Yustabe" wrote in message
"Rusty Boudreaux" wrote in message ... "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message ... No mainstream amplifier company uses tubes McIntosh uses tubes. As does Audio Research, Conrad Johnson, VTL, Cary, Jolida and some other companies whose products have been purchased by audio hobbyists for a number of years. All ot these companies are quite well established and have been in business for qutie some time. They are not mainstream. Sharp, Sanyo and Technics are mainstraim. They put out thousands of amps for under a $100. What is wrong with that. Where is it written in stone that every amp for under $100 is incompetent? That is the cost of a good set of ooutput tubes. I've never ever seen "..a set of ooutput tubes". 'Mainstraim' and 'good' are not sysnonymous. Nothing is sysnonymous, according to my dictionary. Mainstream is usually crap. Where is it written in stone that if it's popular, it's gotta be crap? |
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"Sockpuppet Yustabe" wrote in message
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message R. D. Davis wrote: McIntosh uses tubes. As does Audio Research, Conrad Johnson, VTL, Cary, Jolida and some other companies whose products have been purchased by audio hobbyists for a number of years. All ot these companies are quite well established and have been in business for qutie some time. They are all boutique companies with tiny production runs and outlandish prices. Some are probably teetering on bankruptcy, and/or will disappear when the founder, chief engineer and janitor retires or goes bankrupt. Some are hobbies sponsored by serious work in other areas of technology. IDIOT! You always do seem to have this kind of negative reaction to factual posts, sockpuppet. It should be a wake-up call, but obviously you're not conscious enough to answer it in a useful way. Boutiques companies making small production runs of high qaulity products, with the hands on individual attention of the owner/designer. Just because its a short production run doesn't mean that its necessarily any better than mainstream stuff. Some of these owner/designers are fairly inexpert. I still remember one owner/designer who turned out to be a teenager. His company folded when his equipment burned a few customer's houses down. Does the name Rapaport or something like it come to mind? Probably not. And you think that is a putdown!!! I know that because of the volumes involved, there's usually a lot more engineering and product testing time and money in higher-volume products. |
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Sockpuppet Yustabe said to the Big ****: Boutiques companies making small production runs of high qaulity products, with the hands on individual attention of the owner/designer. And you think that is a putdown!!! Before we had mass production, assembly lines, multinational corporations, etc., every manufacturer was a "boutique company". Krooger keeps hoping the future will ride in like a knight in shining armor and save him from the hell of the present. |
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"Bruce J. Richman" wrote As does Audio Research, Conrad Johnson, VTL, Cary, Jolida and some other companies whose products have been purchased by audio hobbyists for a number of years. All ot these companies are quite well established and have been in business for qutie some time. The Stereophile’s Buyers Guide index lists 119 power amp manufactures. 29% are tube design. Some produce both types. |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote As does Audio Research, Conrad Johnson, VTL, Cary, Jolida and some other companies whose products have been purchased by audio hobbyists for a number of years. All ot these companies are quite well established and have been in business for qutie some time. They are all boutique companies with tiny production runs and outlandish prices. It always comes down to the money you don't have and your resentment of people who do. Why is that? Is it because they are generally better educated and more successfully? Obviously they could care less about your financial limitations... or does it go deeper than that, Arny? |
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"Rusty Boudreaux" wrote But like Arny you attempted to twisted your findings in an attempt to coverup the embarrassment, mr. Um, I'm not embarrassed. Shouldn't you be? Hehehe... Just to reiterate: "There are areas where vacuum tubes are still at the top. High power radio/tv transmitters, CRTs and microwave ovens come to mind. Audio amps isn't one of them." "Just to reiterate:"... "Please list makes and models of tube pre/power amps you have personally measured/auditioned in your home setup... last 10 years (manufactured date)? Short of that, in the last 20 years?" After all the distortions the answer remains ZERO empirically experiences. It is always easy to putdown what you don’t know. |
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"Powell" wrote in message
"Rusty Boudreaux" wrote But like Arny you attempted to twisted your findings in an attempt to coverup the embarrassment, mr. Um, I'm not embarrassed. Shouldn't you be? Hehehe... Just to reiterate: "There are areas where vacuum tubes are still at the top. High power radio/tv transmitters, CRTs and microwave ovens come to mind. Audio amps isn't one of them." "Just to reiterate:"... "Please list makes and models of tube pre/power amps you have personally measured/auditioned in your home setup... last 10 years (manufactured date)? Short of that, in the last 20 years?" After all the distortions the answer remains ZERO empirically experiences. It is always easy to putdown what you don't know. Look at it this way Powell. In my book, sighted listening evaluations comparing good power amps are meaningless, and comparisons of good power amps and bad power amps are a waste of time. That puts you at zero empirical experiences, right? Of course Powell, you lack the introspection and personal honesty to actually give a straight answer to this question... |
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Rusty Boudreaux wrote:
"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message ... No mainstream amplifier company uses tubes McIntosh uses tubes. As does Audio Research, Conrad Johnson, VTL, Cary, Jolida and some other companies whose products have been purchased by audio hobbyists for a number of years. All ot these companies are quite well established and have been in business for qutie some time. They are not mainstream. If you define "mainstream" as consisting only of the brands sold by large chains like Circuit City, Best Buy, etc., of course they are not mainstream. OTOH, if you were to conduct a survey of what most audio hobbyists would call a "high-end audio store" similar to the ones that, for example, advertise in Stereophile, Absolute Sound, and in various internet-based magazines (or forums such as Audio Asylum), then they are part of the audiophile retail ",mainstream". They probably are as "mainstream" as certain speaker technologies, such as electrostatics and/or planar magnetics, or even more so. Most audiophiles would probably consider Magneplanars, Martin Logans or Quads part of the audiophile mainstream, just as many would consider the amplifier brands I mentiond as part of their mainstream as well. Bruce J. Richman |
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"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message
Rusty Boudreaux wrote: "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message ... No mainstream amplifier company uses tubes McIntosh uses tubes. As does Audio Research, Conrad Johnson, VTL, Cary, Jolida and some other companies whose products have been purchased by audio hobbyists for a number of years. All ot these companies are quite well established and have been in business for qutie some time. They are not mainstream. If you define "mainstream" as consisting only of the brands sold by large chains like Circuit City, Best Buy, etc., of course they are not mainstream. IME, you can expand the circle to include the majority of high end audio stores. OTOH, if you were to conduct a survey of what most audio hobbyists would call a "high-end audio store" similar to the ones that, for example, advertise in Stereophile, Absolute Sound, and in various internet-based magazines (or forums such as Audio Asylum), then they are part of the audiophile retail ",mainstream". Since only a tiny fraction of high end audio stores advertise in national ragazines, you've just confirmed my claim. They probably are as "mainstream" as certain speaker technologies, such as electrostatics and/or planar magnetics, or even more so. Similar in that a great many high end audio stores don't dabble in those, either, particularly if you consider only full-range 'stats, ribbons, and planars. More knowledgeable people know that even Circuit City and best Buy have sold speakers that incorporated planar drivers. They weren't what you'd call full-range planar speakers. Heck, even Singh's $25 tweeter marvels incorporated planar drivers. So, you've got to be a little careful with that planar speaker qualifier. Most audiophiles would probably consider Magneplanars, Martin Logans or Quads part of the audiophile mainstream, just as many would consider the amplifier brands I mentioned as part of their mainstream as well. Note that Richman pretends to speak for "most audiophiles". It must be that mind-reading delusion of his that is acting up again. |
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"Rusty Boudreaux" said:
There you have it. The reference tube amp fails to equal the SS amp on any given parameter. Further, the reference tube amp is trounced by the cheap SS amp by a wide margin on most parameters. Yeah, but it has a thicker front panel! So there! Hey, if you're a chubby-panel-chaser go for it! Oh God no, the tube amps I build are just pieces of metal containing the necessary components inside and out. But thick front panels are cool :-) -- Sander deWaal Vacuum Audio Consultancy |
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Arny Krueger once again engages in deceptive posting and fraudulent claims:
"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message Rusty Boudreaux wrote: "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message ... No mainstream amplifier company uses tubes McIntosh uses tubes. As does Audio Research, Conrad Johnson, VTL, Cary, Jolida and some other companies whose products have been purchased by audio hobbyists for a number of years. All ot these companies are quite well established and have been in business for qutie some time. They are not mainstream. If you define "mainstream" as consisting only of the brands sold by large chains like Circuit City, Best Buy, etc., of course they are not mainstream. IME, you can expand the circle to include the majority of high end audio stores. A misleading and false claim by Krueger, given his documented past history of trashing these establishments, equating their products with "boutique" brands, and repeatedly suggesting that above certain price points, especially for amplifiers and CD players, no qualitative gains are to be made. Note, in addition, that Krueger, who apparently has NOW decided for the first time to include high-end audio stores in his definition of "mainstream", has repeatedly argued for the benefits of such non-mainstream brands as QSC, Behringer, Alesis, etc. Therefore, his claim above is obviously designed to simply give him some "debating trade" crapola frrom which to launch yet another unprovoked personal attack, which he does below in this very post. OTOH, if you were to conduct a survey of what most audio hobbyists would call a "high-end audio store" similar to the ones that, for example, advertise in Stereophile, Absolute Sound, and in various internet-based magazines (or forums such as Audio Asylum), then they are part of the audiophile retail ",mainstream". Since only a tiny fraction of high end audio stores advertise in national ragazines, you've just confirmed my claim. A blatant lie from Krueger. And contradictory to his claim above that he has now "decided" to expand the mainstream to include high-end audio stores. It never ceases to amaze me how easily Krueger can insult the intelligence of RAO's readers by trying to con them into believing that he has suddently, for purposes of character defamation nnd personal atacks only, has suddenly, for the moment, decided to agree with one of his many targeted enemies. Claiming that stores such as the ones that advertise in Stereophile or the Absolute Sound are representative of high-end audiophile establishments does not at all suggest or imply that only these stores are part of the mainstream. So Krueger, as is usually the case, is simply trying to draw inferences solely devoid of logical reasoning. I could just as easily have said that a prospective "high end audio customer" could find stores in his area by looking under "stereo" in the Yellow Pages, or going to any number of websites that many dealers have established. Note that the use of the term "high end" has nothing to do with price, obviously, since many dealers carry brands like Rotel, NAD, etc. which are not particularly expensive yet offer a lot of value for the dollar IMHO. They probably are as "mainstream" as certain speaker technologies, such as electrostatics and/or planar magnetics, or even more so. Similar in that a great many high end audio stores don't dabble in those, either, particularly if you consider only full-range 'stats, ribbons, and planars. Again, a statement that while true, is misleading and simply reflects Krueger's ignorance - or deliberate attempt to deceive the RAO readership. Krueger has deliberately generated a vague statement in which he does not define "full-range'" and ignores the fact that at least one major electrostatics manufacturer is known primarily for manufacturing hybrid speakers (Martin Logan). And although I never mentioned ribbons, it is similarly true that ribbons are often incorporated as part of a hybrid design. Companies like Magneplanar, Martin Logan, and Quad have fairly widespread dealer ntetworks, so their name is hardly foreign or considered exotic by most audiophiles. Note also that perhaps deliberately, perhaps through ignorance, Krueger has confounded the common use of the term "planar" - which I did jnot use in my post to which he responded (I specifically said planar magnetic - a much more restrictive term) - with terms such as ribbon and electrostatic. As is fairly well known by most RAO readers, electrostatics (e.g. Quads, Martin Logan, SoundLabs) and ribbon speakers generally all are referred to as planar loudspeakers (in contrast to those using cones). More knowledgeable people know that even Circuit City and best Buy have sold speakers that incorporated planar drivers. They weren't what you'd call full-range planar speakers. Heck, even Singh's $25 tweeter marvels incorporated planar drivers. So, you've got to be a little careful with that planar speaker qualifier. Since compulsive liar Krueger has no empicirial basis to comment on my knowledge re. the practrces of dealers such as Circuit City or Best Buy, his false claim above amounts to nothing more than his usual arrogant, uninformed, and unprovoked personal attack. But what else is new? For the record, I'm well aware that planar magnetics are not the sole province of Magnepan or its products. Eminent Technology, for example, has manufactured small planar speakers for use with PCs (and if memory serves, so hase Monsoon). And of course, these would not be expected to be sold in high end audio stores. Similarly, Carver at one time manufactured rather large planar/hybrid speakers that were sold, at least in my area, in large chains like Circut City. Most audiophiles would probably consider Magneplanars, Martin Logans or Quads part of the audiophile mainstream, just as many would consider the amplifier brands I mentioned as part of their mainstream as well. Note that Richman pretends to speak for "most audiophiles". It must be that mind-reading delusion of his that is acting up again. Once again, compulsive liar and fraudulent poster Krueger attempts to draw conclusionis unwarranted by my use of the term "most audiophiles". Obviously - to all except Krueger, whoee blind hatred and compulsive need to engage in unprovoked personal attacks rules his RAOI behavior, my statement re. audiophiles is an opinion I get to have - nothing more, and nothing less. Therefore, it is quite clear that Krueger's false claim that I am pretending to speak for most audiophiles is simply further evidence of his parnoid delusional system making its predictable almost daily appearance on RAO. As usual, his credibility is negligible. Bruce J. Richman |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Sockpuppet Yustabe" wrote in message "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message R. D. Davis wrote: McIntosh uses tubes. As does Audio Research, Conrad Johnson, VTL, Cary, Jolida and some other companies whose products have been purchased by audio hobbyists for a number of years. All ot these companies are quite well established and have been in business for qutie some time. They are all boutique companies with tiny production runs and outlandish prices. Some are probably teetering on bankruptcy, and/or will disappear when the founder, chief engineer and janitor retires or goes bankrupt. Some are hobbies sponsored by serious work in other areas of technology. IDIOT! You always do seem to have this kind of negative reaction to factual posts, sockpuppet. It should be a wake-up call, but obviously you're not conscious enough to answer it in a useful way. Boutiques companies making small production runs of high qaulity products, with the hands on individual attention of the owner/designer. Just because its a short production run doesn't mean that its necessarily any better than mainstream stuff. Some of these owner/designers are fairly inexpert. I still remember one owner/designer who turned out to be a teenager. His company folded when his equipment burned a few customer's houses down. Does the name Rapaport or something like it come to mind? Probably not. And you think that is a putdown!!! I know that because of the volumes involved, there's usually a lot more engineering and product testing time and money in higher-volume products. Arny prefers to live in a cookie cutter high volume production home, rather than in a custom home produced by a 'boutique' builder. ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Sockpuppet Yustabe" wrote in message "Rusty Boudreaux" wrote in message ... "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message ... No mainstream amplifier company uses tubes McIntosh uses tubes. As does Audio Research, Conrad Johnson, VTL, Cary, Jolida and some other companies whose products have been purchased by audio hobbyists for a number of years. All ot these companies are quite well established and have been in business for qutie some time. They are not mainstream. Sharp, Sanyo and Technics are mainstraim. They put out thousands of amps for under a $100. What is wrong with that. Where is it written in stone that every amp for under $100 is incompetent? Let's try barely listenable. The fact that they make noise is evidence of their 'competency' That's the point Arny, some peoiple want 'more' than competancy. ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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"George M. Middius" wrote in message ... Sockpuppet Yustabe said to the Big ****: Boutiques companies making small production runs of high qaulity products, with the hands on individual attention of the owner/designer. And you think that is a putdown!!! Before we had mass production, assembly lines, multinational corporations, etc., every manufacturer was a "boutique company". Krooger keeps hoping the future will ride in like a knight in shining armor and save him from the hell of the present. You would think that the Kroo**** would have a different opinion, considering that he himself runs a 'boutique' consultancy. ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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"Sockpuppet Yustabe" wrote in message
Arny prefers to live in a cookie cutter high volume production home, rather than in a custom home produced by a 'boutique' builder. What a hoot! My house is in fact the only known reproduction of the "All-Electric Dream House of 1933" built at the 1933 Chicago World's Fair. The original was torn down at the end of the fair. Therefore my house is totally unique. My house was also the 1933 Detroit Builder's Home Show Idea House, and was won in a contest based on guessing the number of nails in a transparent plastic house. In 1933, the house was valued at $10,000. In short, my house is not a high volume production house, by any stretch of the imagination. This brings into question Marc Phillips' claim that he drove by my house. If he actually saw it, its various unique features would be immediately obvious, even to a low-brow like him. Life is sweet when you are arguing with a bunch of really dumb guys |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Sockpuppet Yustabe" wrote in message Arny prefers to live in a cookie cutter high volume production home, rather than in a custom home produced by a 'boutique' builder. What a hoot! My house is in fact the only known reproduction of the "All-Electric Dream House of 1933" built at the 1933 Chicago World's Fair. The original was torn down at the end of the fair. Therefore my house is totally unique. My house was also the 1933 Detroit Builder's Home Show Idea House, and was won in a contest based on guessing the number of nails in a transparent plastic house. In 1933, the house was valued at $10,000. In short, my house is not a high volume production house, by any stretch of the imagination. Thanks for making my point, moron. There 'IS' enhanced quality in boutique, small production run products. Even 'you' don't wish to live in a cookie cutter 'mainstream' dwelling. Although it is obvious that a house or other dwelling is a necessity for living, houses in the middle and upper end of the range of value sell as amenity items. Prices of such houses are driven by the quality of life that can be derived from living in a nice house. So it is for audio enthusaiasts. Having a setup that reproduces music in ways that the user finds enjoyable is a quality of life enhancement. To such individuals, a music system needs to be more than meely 'competent' After all, a Levitt home is competent, but rather small, simple, and without many amenities. ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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"Powell" wrote in message
... "Rusty Boudreaux" wrote Just to reiterate: "There are areas where vacuum tubes are still at the top. High power radio/tv transmitters, CRTs and microwave ovens come to mind. Audio amps isn't one of them." "Just to reiterate:"... "Please list makes and models of tube pre/power amps you have personally measured/auditioned in your home setup... last 10 years (manufactured date)? Short of that, in the last 20 years?" After all the distortions the answer remains ZERO empirically experiences. It is always easy to putdown what you don't know. I see no point. Regardless of what I say about my experiences with auditioning, hearing, designing, analyzing, reverse engineering, measuring, repairing, rebuilding, consulting or any other such personal or professional endeavor you will find some straw man argument. You questioned my experience and I informed you I have amplifier designs with total sales of just a tick under 3 million units. You've questioned my net worth which by the preceding sentence indicates that isn't an issue even if it was relevant in the first place. The bottom line is you presented your best example (a $30,000 tube amp) and it didn't hold up technically to some of the cheapest solid state products on the market. We even chose SS amps from the "crappy" companies you suggested and they still trashed your tube reference. Your arguments have been torn down. Shut up or present a legitimate case. We're all tired of your pointless quacking. |
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Rusty Boudreaux quacking on tube amps
"Sockpuppet Yustabe" wrote in message
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Sockpuppet Yustabe" lied pathetically in message Arny prefers to live in a cookie cutter high volume production home, rather than in a custom home produced by a 'boutique' builder. What a hoot! My house is in fact the only known reproduction of the "All-Electric Dream House of 1933" built at the 1933 Chicago World's Fair. The original was torn down at the end of the fair. Therefore my house is totally unique. My house was also the 1933 Detroit Builder's Home Show Idea House, and was won in a contest based on guessing the number of nails in a transparent plastic house. In 1933, the house was valued at $10,000. In short, my house is not a high volume production house, by any stretch of the imagination. Thanks for making my point, moron. Nice attempt to recover from being proven to be an idiotic liar once again, sockpuppet. There 'IS' enhanced quality in boutique, small production run products. No, the house itself is a POS. Lots of structural problems. It's shortly going to throw me into debt big time, correcting it. Even 'you' don't wish to live in a cookie cutter 'mainstream' dwelling. Been there done that and it didn't bother me one bit. BTW, if you want to get other people's reactions to living in a cookie cutter 'mainstream' dwelling, you might want to ask your friend sockpuppet wheel. LOL! Although it is obvious that a house or other dwelling is a necessity for living, houses in the middle and upper end of the range of value sell as amenity items. Which has what to do with sound quality? Prices of such houses are driven by the quality of life that can be derived from living in a nice house. In sockpuppet wheel's case, it appears that he's trying to mitigate the purported horror of living in a cookie cutter 'mainstream' dwelling has driven him to vinylism and tubism. So it is for audio enthusaiasts. Having a setup that reproduces music in ways that the user finds enjoyable is a quality of life enhancement. Works for me, even though I don't live in a cookie cutter 'mainstream' dwelling. To such individuals, a music system needs to be more than meely 'competent' After all, a Levitt home is competent, but rather small, simple, and without many amenities. Would this be yet another autobiographical comment, sockpuppet? |
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"Rusty Boudreaux" wrote There are areas where vacuum tubes are still at the top. High power radio/tv transmitters, CRTs and microwave ovens come to mind. Audio amps isn't one of them. Really, how so? Please site empirical examples of pre/power tube amps which fail to meet consumer needs? I never once used the word fail. So why say, "Audio amps isn't one of them"? I've enjoyed reading this thread. There is however one important aspect that you all miss. Tube amps sometimes have a certain cosiness in the way that the tubes glow. Especially if you turn the lights down, you can almost see and hear the electrons jumping off the warm thread. And they MUST be warmer than those cold electrons of SS amplifiers. If you listen carefully, while watching the glow, for sure you can hear the warmth of those electrons. Mmm... Isn't that part of the experience? |
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Svante said: I've enjoyed reading this thread. There is however one important aspect that you all miss. Tube amps sometimes have a certain cosiness in the way that the tubes glow. Especially if you turn the lights down, you can almost see and hear the electrons jumping off the warm thread. And they MUST be warmer than those cold electrons of SS amplifiers. If you listen carefully, while watching the glow, for sure you can hear the warmth of those electrons. Mmm... Isn't that part of the experience? I just sensed a great disturbance in the Hive....... |
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Svante a écrit :
"Powell" wrote in message "Rusty Boudreaux" wrote There are areas where vacuum tubes are still at the top. High power radio/tv transmitters, CRTs and microwave ovens come to mind. Audio amps isn't one of them. Really, how so? Please site empirical examples of pre/power tube amps which fail to meet consumer needs? I never once used the word fail. So why say, "Audio amps isn't one of them"? I've enjoyed reading this thread. There is however one important aspect that you all miss. Tube amps sometimes have a certain cosiness in the way that the tubes glow. Especially if you turn the lights down, you can almost see and hear the electrons jumping off the warm thread. And they MUST be warmer than those cold electrons of SS amplifiers. If you listen carefully, while watching the glow, for sure you can hear the warmth of those electrons. Mmm... Isn't that part of the experience? Timothy Leary disciple ? ;-) |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... There 'IS' enhanced quality in boutique, small production run products. No, the house itself is a POS. Lots of structural problems. It's shortly going to throw me into debt big time, correcting it. It's time to sell your sound cards and settle with Wheeler! To such individuals, a music system needs to be more than meely 'competent' After all, a Levitt home is competent, but rather small, simple, and without many amenities. Would this be yet another autobiographical comment, sockpuppet? I live in mass produced housing, but nothing quite that simple or small. The value of my home is $230,000. It is a large three level town house containing 2,400 square feet. Its what I can afford on $78,000 per year. Sure, I would prefer to live in a $800,000 custom home. ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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"Svante" wrote in message
om... I've enjoyed reading this thread. There is however one important aspect that you all miss. Tube amps sometimes have a certain cosiness in the way that the tubes glow. Especially if you turn the lights down, you can almost see and hear the electrons jumping off the warm thread. And they MUST be warmer than those cold electrons of SS amplifiers. If you listen carefully, while watching the glow, for sure you can hear the warmth of those electrons. Mmm... Isn't that part of the experience? Sure it is. Earlier in the thread I commented I like the look of glowing tubes...but not their technical shortcomings. True to form Powell accused me of being "unsophisticated, just easily amused or financially challenged". What a stand up guy. |
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"Rusty Boudreaux" wrote in message
True to form Powell accused me of being "unsophisticated, just easily amused or financially challenged". What a stand up guy. Powell appears to have resumed doing what he does most of the time - he runs and hides. |
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(R. D. Davis) wrote in news:vvkcsnlia6ui20
@corp.supernews.com: In article , "Rusty Boudreaux" scribbles: I only speak for myself. Although, if tube amps were in the mainstream we'd see them at retailers other than the odd high-end shop. If good amplifiers, period, were in the mainstream, we'd see more solid state amps like Crowns and McIntoshes, as well as some nice tube amps, sold by more retailers. Unfortunately, cheap junk is what popular with the so-called mainstream. BTW, how do you explain there being enough demand for the reproduction MC2000, 50th anniversary, amp for McIntosh to have designed and introduced the MC2102? Yes, consumer demand resulted in this. No mainstream amplifier company uses tubes McIntosh uses tubes. No tube discussion in design related electronic magazines That depends upon which magazines one reads. No tube discussion in IEEE journals or conferences http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/select/0898/tube.html IEEE Spectrum Cover story: "The Cool Sound of Tubes: One of the last remaining tube domains is in music applications, but there the devices flourish and even innovate", by Eric Barbour, August, 1998 Actually McIntosh just unveiled a brand new product. Here are the details: "Product Name: MA2275 Exhibitor: McIntosh Laboratory Inc. Product Contact: Ron Cornelius Contact E-mail: On-Site Contact: Sally Goff Product Category: High-End Audio Product Description: Tube Integrated Amplifier with 6 Program Source Inputs, Tape Recorder Loop, Switched Data Output Ports, Electromagnetic Input Switching and Front Panel Headphone Jack, the McIntosh Patented Unity Coupled Output Circuit and the famous "blue eyes" of McIntosh, the Illuminated Output Wattmeters." A google search for MA2275 will yield pictures. r -- Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes. |
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"Rusty Boudreaux" wrote Just to reiterate: "There are areas where vacuum tubes are still at the top. High power radio/tv transmitters, CRTs and microwave ovens come to mind. Audio amps isn't one of them." "Just to reiterate:"... "Please list makes and models of tube pre/power amps you have personally measured/auditioned in your home setup... last 10 years (manufactured date)? Short of that, in the last 20 years?" After all the distortions the answer remains ZERO empirically experiences. It is always easy to putdown what you don't know. I see no point. Not having any practical hand-on experiences with tube amps would demonstrate your total lack of practical knowledge on the subject. The audiophile hobby is empirically based. Regardless of what I say about my experiences with auditioning, hearing, designing, analyzing, reverse engineering, measuring, repairing, rebuilding, consulting or any other such personal or professional endeavor you will find some straw man argument. Arny makes the same association. Because he repairs computers that makes him an expert on audio equipment. I’m not impressed with your self-importance (narcissistic viewpoint). You questioned my experience and I informed you I have amplifier designs with total sales of just a tick under 3 million units. "I have amplifier designs"... Hehehe, HAHAHA! So if a search of patents was made your name would be found regarding amplifier design, right... wrong? You’ve done nothing which was not been overseen by a supervisor, mr. Self-importance. You do even have an advanced college degree in EE? You've questioned my net worth which by the preceding sentence indicates that isn't an issue even if it was relevant in the first place. “net worth”... is a business term which you would have little understanding of. I referred to you as “Broke-Ass®”... a lack of disposable income as the basis of your lack of practical tube amp experiences. Auditioning audio equipment in your home cost nothing more than having a credit card limit to cover the loaner. What’s your financial excuse for not doing so... bad credit? The bottom line is you presented your best example (a $30,000 tube amp) and it didn't hold up technically to some of the cheapest solid state products on the market. It always comes down to the money you don't have and your resentment of people who do. Why is that? Is it because they are generally better educated and more successfully? Obviously they could care less about your financial limitations... or does it go deeper than that, Rusty? Your arguments have been torn down. I must have missed that post . Shut up or present a legitimate case. We're all tired of your pointless quacking. "We're all"... Translation: Arny and Rusty, two peas in a pod. |
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"Rusty Boudreaux" wrote Especially if you turn the lights down, you can almost see and hear the electrons jumping off the warm thread. And they MUST be warmer than those cold electrons of SS amplifiers. If you listen carefully, while watching the glow, for sure you can hear the warmth of those electrons. Mmm... Isn't that part of the experience? Sure it is. Hehehe... "see and hear the electrons jumping off the warm thread." Really, how so... Svante comment was making a point with satire? Earlier in the thread I commented I like the look of glowing tubes...but not their technical shortcomings. You failed to demonstrate any audible "technical shortcoming" in the ARC example. True to form Powell accused me of being "unsophisticated, just easily amused or financially challenged". Yup, I've got you number... amps = amps - tube amps . |
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In rec.audio.tech Powell wrote:
The audiophile hobby is empirically based. Often combined with the rejection of simple logic. |
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In rec.audio.tech George M. Middius wrote:
said: The audiophile hobby is empirically based. Often combined with the rejection of simple logic. But far less frequently with the abjuration of all pleasure in music. All pleasure in music? All kinds of music? Every listener? Really now... |
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