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Richard Perle (put a leash on that hounddog!) inadvertently lets the cat out
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"Sandman" wrote in message ... Richard Perle (put a leash on that hounddog!) inadvertently lets the cat out of the bag: http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story...089158,00.html LMAO!!! Even if it were true, so what? The U.S. commits an act of civil disobedience against international law, as they percieve a higher moral calling rorm a higher moral authority. As a leftie, you ought be able to dig it! ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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Richard Perle (put a leash on that hounddog!) inadvertently lets the cat out of the bag: http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story...089158,00.html LMAO!!! The real laugh is that someone would think that any invasion has ever been legal. |
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Sockpuppet Yustabe said: The U.S. commits an act of civil disobedience With bombs, tanks, soldiers, and more bombs. If that's "civil", what's violent disobedience? |
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"G.S. Nail" wrote in message ... "Sockpuppet Yustabe" wrote: Even if it were true, so what? The U.S. commits an act of civil disobedience against international law, as they percieve a higher moral calling rorm a higher moral authority. Isn't that pretty much what extremist factions (eg. Al-Qaeda) think too? They are acting on "a higher moral authority"? I would like to point out at this time that Bush is extremely religious, he sees his combat as a battle of Good over Evil. Posh! Everyone knows that the USA and Al-Queda are morally equivilant. ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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G.S. Nail wrote:
"Sockpuppet Yustabe" wrote: Even if it were true, so what? The U.S. commits an act of civil disobedience against international law, as they percieve a higher moral calling rorm a higher moral authority. Isn't that pretty much what extremist factions (eg. Al-Qaeda) think too? They are acting on "a higher moral authority"? I would like to point out at this time that Bush is extremely religious, he sees his combat as a battle of Good over Evil. It has been said that there is a fine line between good and evil in war. |
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Obie said: I would like to point out at this time that Bush is extremely religious, he sees his combat as a battle of Good over Evil. It has been said that there is a fine line between good and evil in war. That's a goober, gomer. The debate concerns the motivations for going to war. |
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PD said: This is possibly not going to be the most popular view - but it could be argued that Al-Qaeda have shown more conviction in their moral beliefs. Actions speak louder than words :-( Notice that the suicide bombers are all brainwashed naifs. The masterminds of the terror campaign are manipulators, not martyrs. |
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G.S. Nail "nails" it on the head. Bingo!
You violate the law, you get held accountable. Period. "G.S. Nail" wrote in message ... "Sockpuppet Yustabe" wrote: Even if it were true, so what? The U.S. commits an act of civil disobedience against international law, as they percieve a higher moral calling rorm a higher moral authority. Isn't that pretty much what extremist factions (eg. Al-Qaeda) think too? They are acting on "a higher moral authority"? I would like to point out at this time that Bush is extremely religious, he sees his combat as a battle of Good over Evil. -- S i g n a l @ l i n e o n e . n e t |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Sandman" wrote in message Richard Perle (put a leash on that hounddog!) inadvertently lets the cat out of the bag: http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story...089158,00.html LMAO!!! The real laugh is that someone would think that any invasion has ever been legal. That shows your ignorance of international law. Invasion in response to a direct attack is legal. That's what distinguishes Afghanistan from Iraq. We were directly attacked by Al Queda elements headquartered in Afghanistan and protected by the Taliban regime. Our invasion of Afghanistan was therefore, unlike our invasion of Iraq, perfectly lawful under the U.N. Charter. Further, it was fully sanctioned by the U.N. Security Council, unlike our completely unprovoked unilateral, and lawless invasion of Iraq (based, as we all by now know on a ruthless, shameful, and vile pack of lies). |
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"Sandman" wrote in message ... G.S. Nail "nails" it on the head. Bingo! You violate the law, you get held accountable. Period. Unless you are Saddam, then the world will let you walk. ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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"Sockpuppet Yustabe" wrote in message ... "Sandman" wrote in message ... G.S. Nail "nails" it on the head. Bingo! You violate the law, you get held accountable. Period. Unless you are Saddam, then the world will let you walk. What a maroon. After the Gulf War, Dubya's daddy endorsed the U.N. sanctions against Saddam, which crippled Iraq's economy, enforced a no-fly zone over the vast majority of Iraq, and introduced U.N. inspectors into Iraq to search for evidence of wmd's or wmd programs. By the time the inspectors left (and no, they were not kicked out by Saddam, contrary to the lies you hear on Fox News) they were just frustrated at being "escorted" everywhere, and frustrated because over many years they in fact had found very little of any concern, all of which they destroyed). By early 2003, when Dubya thumbed his nose at the U.N. and the world and embarked on an illegal invasion of a crippled country that had not even treatened us (nor did it have the remotest potential to threaten us), much less attacked us, Saddam had been quite effectively "contained" by the U.N. sanctions. How you can call that "the world will let you walk (if you are Saddam)" defies all rationality. None of which is to say Saddam was not himself in violation of numerous provisions of international law. Yet he was but one of numerous murderous dictators around the globe at the time. The war against Iraq was not about wmds, and it was not about removing a murderous dictator, it was not about "fighting terrorism", and Dubya & Co. knew this all along and knows it now, despite their constant BS to the contrary. It was about the PNAC agenda from the time they stole the Presidency, of conquering the middle east and controlling their oilfields, as they stated in their own words (to the best of my recollection from having read their position paper last winter): "the road to occupying the middle east goes through Baghdad" . Now Dubya's even pontificating about "democratizing" the middle east. Well, we've seen what his "democratization" has accomplished in Iraq to date, and it's an unmitigated disaster, not just for Iraqis, not just for our soldiers, but for our entire citezenry which has born the cost in enormous out-of-control budget deficits, an economy in recession, joblessness, cuts in domestic programs, and even cuts in veterans' benefits. Dubya will be held accountable during the 2004 election, as more and more of the truth about what he's done reaches more and more voters. The world is *not* letting Dubya walk, however, as is becoming clear to the administration as its recent so-called efforts to bring the world community into the morass it created in Iraq has fallen flat on its face. Why? Well, you just don't insult and defy the world and then come "begging" for money, arms and troops, without giving *anything* in exchange. IOW, "please, please, give us all your money, give us your troops to die in place of our troops, but we won't budge an inch when it comes to our retaining total control of the situation." Dubya & Co. have shown the nogiation skills of a poisoned rodent. And dolts like you support this maniac's insanity. |
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"G.S. Nail" wrote in message ... "Sandman" wrote: Richard Perle (put a leash on that hounddog!) inadvertently lets the cat out of the bag: http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story...089158,00.html LMAO!!! The real laugh is that someone would think that any invasion has ever been legal. That shows your ignorance of international law. Invasion in response to a direct attack is legal. That's what distinguishes Afghanistan from Iraq. We were directly attacked by Al Queda elements headquartered in Afghanistan and protected by the Taliban regime. Our invasion of Afghanistan was therefore, unlike our invasion of Iraq, perfectly lawful under the U.N. Charter. Further, it was fully sanctioned by the U.N. Security Council, unlike our completely unprovoked unilateral, and lawless invasion of Iraq (based, as we all by now know on a ruthless, shameful, and vile pack of lies). Some more development, sounds very familiar.. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3228400.stm Indeed, the PNAC, with Dubya as its puppet, and Blair as his lapdog, would love pull off the same scam they did with Iraq, and invade Iran. Unfortunately, their troops are all stretched pretty thin by now, so they're reduced to whining about anything and everything the U.N. says or does that is inconsistent with their agenda. Poor ****-kickers. BTW, congrats to you Brits for the three hundred thousand or so of you who protested Dubya's visit to Buckinham, where he really ****ed off your Queen. Seems he can't go anywhere anymore without either ****ing someone off or getting protested, or both. |
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"G.S. Nail" wrote in message
... Some more development, sounds very familiar.. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3228400.stm There's also some new development at Disneyland, which I recently visited for a wedding anniversary. It's already decorated for Christmas (and Hanukah) and they've changed "It's a Small World" music to also include Christmas music, changed the Haunted Mansion to a combination Halloween and Christmas theme, with all new characters, and even spruced up the aging Pirates of the Caribbean ride with a new song: "Yo ho, yo ho, a Prez-dunce life for me. We pillage, we plunder, we bomb and we loot Fill up me coffers, yo ho. We invade and we ravage and don't give a hoot Fill up me coffers, yo ho Yo ho, yo ho, a Prez-dunce life for me. We extort and we pilfer, we filch and we sack. Fill up me coffers, yo ho. Defraud and embezzle and even highjack. Fill up me coffers, yo ho. Yo, ho, yo ho, a Stepford Wife for me. I've named her Laura and she's tame as a mouse Fill up me coffers, yo ho. Her plasticine smile adorns the White House Fill up me coffers, yo ho. We're rascals and scoundrels, we're villains and knaves. Fill up me coffers, yo ho. We gave up on Bin Laden cuz' we're afraid of the caves, Fill up me coffers, yo ho. We're thieves and blighters and ne'er do-well cads, Fill up me coffers, yo ho. Aye, but we're loved by me mommie and dad, Fill up me coffers, yo ho. Yo ho, yo ho, a Prez-dunce life for me." ~ |
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"Sandman" wrote in message
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Sandman" wrote in message Richard Perle (put a leash on that hounddog!) inadvertently lets the cat out of the bag: http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story...089158,00.html LMAO!!! The real laugh is that someone would think that any invasion has ever been legal. That shows your ignorance of international law. International law is today a practical fiction, especially as applied to the US. That you think that so-called international law is binding on sovereign states shows your naiveté, Sanders. Name a country for which there has been a functional international war crimes trial, that remained sovereign. For example, there are a number of international treaties that the US has not ratified. They can be thought of as being international law for all the countries that ratified them. The US intentionally did not ratify these treaties because it did not want to be bound by that particular international law. As long as there are multiple sovereign states, there is no such real thing as international law. The fact that the US flouted the wishes of other countries in the United Nations is proof that there is no such real thing as international law. There is in fact only one way that a country has international law applied to it against its will. It must first lose its sovereignty, an practical example of which involves losing a war. |
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Arnii Kroothug proves once again that his hubris and stupidity extend far
beyond the realm of his PCABX crapola which he imagines has something to do with audio. What follows is so incredibly dense and inane it's not worth addressing: "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Sandman" wrote in message "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Sandman" wrote in message Richard Perle (put a leash on that hounddog!) inadvertently lets the cat out of the bag: http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story...089158,00.html LMAO!!! The real laugh is that someone would think that any invasion has ever been legal. That shows your ignorance of international law. International law is today a practical fiction, especially as applied to the US. That you think that so-called international law is binding on sovereign states shows your naiveté, Sanders. Name a country for which there has been a functional international war crimes trial, that remained sovereign. For example, there are a number of international treaties that the US has not ratified. They can be thought of as being international law for all the countries that ratified them. The US intentionally did not ratify these treaties because it did not want to be bound by that particular international law. As long as there are multiple sovereign states, there is no such real thing as international law. The fact that the US flouted the wishes of other countries in the United Nations is proof that there is no such real thing as international law. There is in fact only one way that a country has international law applied to it against its will. It must first lose its sovereignty, an practical example of which involves losing a war. |
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"Sandman" wrote in message
Arnii Kroothug proves once again that his hubris and stupidity extend far beyond the realm of his PCABX crapola which he imagines has something to do with audio. Is there a time warp in here? Have we all been transported back to middle school? What follows is so incredibly dense and inane it's not worth addressing: IOW Sanders, you can't overcome the logic and facts that I presented. |
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George M. Middius wrote:
Obie said: I would like to point out at this time that Bush is extremely religious, he sees his combat as a battle of Good over Evil. It has been said that there is a fine line between good and evil in war. That's a goober, gomer. The debate concerns the motivations for going to war. Which is why I said *exactly* that. Which side is which is often a matter of opinion once the bullets start flying. |
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Sandman wrote:
Now Dubya's even pontificating about "democratizing" the middle east. Well, we've seen what his "democratization" has accomplished in Iraq to date, and it's an unmitigated disaster, not just for Iraqis, not just for our soldiers, but for our entire citezenry which has born the cost in enormous out-of-control budget deficits, an economy in recession, joblessness, cuts in domestic programs, and even cuts in veterans' benefits. They can't imagine that any sane person wouldn;t see the U.S. way of doing things as being the best in the world - almost as if they believed the world was flat - you just can't convince them otherwise. Of course it's the best - anyone can plainly see it just like they see the sky is blue. Problem: As long as Islam is the main religion in the country, there can't possibly be seperation of religion and government. Not possible - don't even think about trying. That right there makes the U.S. version of "democracy" impossible from the start - reguardless of what the fuzzy headed people in our government want to believe. The world is *not* letting Dubya walk, however, as is becoming clear to the administration as its recent so-called efforts to bring the world community into the morass it created in Iraq has fallen flat on its face. Why? Well, you just don't insult and defy the world and then come "begging" for money, arms and troops, without giving *anything* in exchange. IOW, "please, please, give us all your money, give us your troops to die in place of our troops, He's worried that we will still have troops over there by the time the 3 year World Court exemption runs out next summer. They are all too pleased to let this happen in exchange for the threats we made that forced them to give us this exemption(so no war crimes prosecution) - they will get payback and it's going to be a bitch. |
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G.S. Nail wrote:
Some more development, sounds very familiar.. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3228400.stm If getting nuclear weapons is the only way to keep the U.S. from invading you and talking to you on equal terms, are you the least bit surprized? If N. Korea wasn't in the same position, we'd have flattened them a decade or more ago. |
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BArny Krueger wrote:
International law is today a practical fiction, especially as applied to the US. That you think that so-called international law is binding on sovereign states shows your naiveté, Sanders. Name a country for which there has been a functional international war crimes trial, that remained sovereign. But how many people have been brought to justice the second they step outside their borders? It does matter. |
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"Sockpuppet Yustabe" wrote in message ... "Sandman" wrote in message ... G.S. Nail "nails" it on the head. Bingo! You violate the law, you get held accountable. Period. Unless you are Saddam, then the world will let you walk. What a maroon. After the Gulf War, Dubya's daddy endorsed the U.N. sanctions against Saddam, which crippled Iraq's economy, enforced a no-fly zone over the vast majority of Iraq, and introduced U.N. inspectors into Iraq to search for evidence of wmd's or wmd programs. So far, so good. By the time the inspectors left (and no, they were not kicked out by Saddam, contrary to the lies you hear on Fox News) they were just frustrated at being "escorted" everywhere, and frustrated because over many years they in fact had found very little of any concern, all of which they destroyed). Frustrating inspectors by playing shell games with weapons and escorting the inspectors so they can't see what they shouldn't see, seems like a pretty good way to make the inspectors leave in frustration, no? By early 2003, when Dubya thumbed his nose at the U.N. and the world Not really. A bloc of Iraq's creditors decided that their best bet for being paid was to keep Saddam in power. They used their not inconsiderable power in the UN to keep it from voting to take decisive action against Saddam. and embarked on an illegal invasion As if there ever was a legal invasion of a sovereign nation... of a crippled country that had not even treatened us (nor did it have the remotest potential to threaten us), much less attacked us, Saddam had been quite effectively "contained" by the U.N. sanctions. The same words apply to Afghanistan. How you can call that "the world will let you walk (if you are Saddam)" defies all rationality. History shows that the world has been willing to let any number of dictators "walk" at one time or the other. None of which is to say Saddam was not himself in violation of numerous provisions of international law. Yet he was but one of numerous murderous dictators around the globe at the time. Here we have Sanders-logic: If there is more than one reprehensible dictatorship in the world we can't attack any of them since there is more than one. The war against Iraq was not about wmds, and it was not about removing a murderous dictator, it was not about "fighting terrorism", and Dubya & Co. knew this all along and knows it now, despite their constant BS to the contrary. It was about the PNAC agenda from the time they stole the Presidency, of conquering the middle east and controlling their oilfields, as they stated in their own words (to the best of my recollection from having read their position paper last winter): "the road to occupying the middle east goes through Baghdad" . Typical Sanders intellectual deceit/ineptitude. A quote with no cite. Who is Sanders quoting but Sanders? Now Dubya's even pontificating about "democratizing" the middle east. Now?? He has been all along. So should all of us! Well, we've seen what his "democratization" has accomplished in Iraq to date, and it's an unmitigated disaster, not just for Iraqis, not just for our soldiers, but for our entire citezenry which has born the cost in enormous out-of-control budget deficits, an economy in recession, joblessness, cuts in domestic programs, and even cuts in veterans' benefits. This shows a complete loss of perspecctive on history. The militarily impotent attacks by insurgents in Iraq are so far from being an unmitigated disaster that it isn't even silly. They aren't even a disaster, except to the people directly affected and their families. Dunkirk was a military disaster, but even it was mitigated. The Tet offensive was a military disaster for North Vietnam, but it still helped them win the war. Dubya will be held accountable during the 2004 election, as more and more of the truth about what he's done reaches more and more voters. Every incumbent is held accountable during every re-election campaign, and that's a good thing. This is just rhetoric, not even a worthy argument. It's a childish threat from someone who is obviously quite frustrated with their lot in life, someone who just needs to vent. The world is *not* letting Dubya walk, however, as is becoming clear to the administration as its recent so-called efforts to bring the world community into the morass it created in Iraq has fallen flat on its face. Why? Why are they retrenching and hiding from taking some responsibility for putting Iraq back on their feed? It would be a risk. They've got too many other problems, such as the lack of economic growth and unending semi-recession their failed social and economic policies have provided them with. Well, you just don't insult and defy the world and then come "begging" for money, arms and troops, without giving *anything* in exchange. Goodness is its own reward. IOW, "please, please, give us all your money, Horsefeathers. We're only asking for them to spend money equal to a miniscule fraction of their GNP. Isn't it ironic that Poland can afford to play on our side, but Germany and France can't? give us your troops to die in place of our troops, Yup, when there is military action, some soldiers will die. but we won't budge an inch when it comes to our retaining total control of the situation." Not quite the truth. We didn't offer to put 100% of Iraq under UN control, but we didn't offer absolutley nothing. Dubya & Co. have shown the nogiation skills of a poisoned rodent. I don't think that offering non-players the store is a good idea. And dolts like you support this maniac's insanity. Prequisite childish name-calling. |
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link.net BArny Krueger wrote: International law is today a practical fiction, especially as applied to the US. That you think that so-called international law is binding on sovereign states shows your naiveté, Sanders. Name a country for which there has been a functional international war crimes trial, that remained sovereign. But how many people have been brought to justice the second they step outside their borders? Of course, being outside the sovereign nation that protects you is not a good thing... Help me here. I think it's happened once or twice, but I think it is pretty rare. Name an recent example. It does matter. It can, if someone does something arrogant or stupid or both. |
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"Sandman" wrote in message ... "Sockpuppet Yustabe" wrote in message ... "Sandman" wrote in message ... G.S. Nail "nails" it on the head. Bingo! You violate the law, you get held accountable. Period. Unless you are Saddam, then the world will let you walk. What a maroon. After the Gulf War, Dubya's daddy endorsed the U.N. sanctions against Saddam, which crippled Iraq's economy, enforced a no-fly zone over the vast majority of Iraq, and introduced U.N. inspectors into Iraq to search for evidence of wmd's or wmd programs. By the time the inspectors left (and no, they were not kicked out by Saddam, contrary to the lies you hear on Fox News) they were just frustrated at being "escorted" everywhere, and frustrated because over many years they in fact had found very little of any concern, all of which they destroyed). By early 2003, when Dubya thumbed his nose at the U.N. and the world and embarked on an illegal invasion of a crippled country that had not even treatened us (nor did it have the remotest potential to threaten us), much less attacked us, Saddam had been quite effectively "contained" by the U.N. sanctions. How you can call that "the world will let you walk (if you are Saddam)" defies all rationality. None of which is to say Saddam was not himself in violation of numerous provisions of international law. Yet he was but one of numerous murderous dictators around the globe at the time. The war against Iraq was not about wmds, and it was not about removing a murderous dictator, it was not about "fighting terrorism", and Dubya & Co. knew this all along and knows it now, despite their constant BS to the contrary. It was about the PNAC agenda from the time they stole the Presidency, of conquering the middle east and controlling their oilfields, as they stated in their own words (to the best of my recollection from having read their position paper last winter): "the road to occupying the middle east goes through Baghdad" . Now Dubya's even pontificating about "democratizing" the middle east. Well, we've seen what his "democratization" has accomplished in Iraq to date, and it's an unmitigated disaster, not just for Iraqis, not just for our soldiers, but for our entire citezenry which has born the cost in enormous out-of-control budget deficits, an economy in recession, joblessness, cuts in domestic programs, and even cuts in veterans' benefits. Dubya will be held accountable during the 2004 election, as more and more of the truth about what he's done reaches more and more voters. The world is *not* letting Dubya walk, however, as is becoming clear to the administration as its recent so-called efforts to bring the world community into the morass it created in Iraq has fallen flat on its face. Why? Well, you just don't insult and defy the world and then come "begging" for money, arms and troops, without giving *anything* in exchange. IOW, "please, please, give us all your money, give us your troops to die in place of our troops, but we won't budge an inch when it comes to our retaining total control of the situation." Dubya & Co. have shown the nogiation skills of a poisoned rodent. And dolts like you support this maniac's insanity. how's your blood pressure? ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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"Sandman" wrote in message ... "G.S. Nail" wrote in message ... "Sandman" wrote: Richard Perle (put a leash on that hounddog!) inadvertently lets the cat out of the bag: http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story...089158,00.html LMAO!!! The real laugh is that someone would think that any invasion has ever been legal. That shows your ignorance of international law. Invasion in response to a direct attack is legal. That's what distinguishes Afghanistan from Iraq. We were directly attacked by Al Queda elements headquartered in Afghanistan and protected by the Taliban regime. Our invasion of Afghanistan was therefore, unlike our invasion of Iraq, perfectly lawful under the U.N. Charter. Further, it was fully sanctioned by the U.N. Security Council, unlike our completely unprovoked unilateral, and lawless invasion of Iraq (based, as we all by now know on a ruthless, shameful, and vile pack of lies). Some more development, sounds very familiar.. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3228400.stm Indeed, the PNAC, with Dubya as its puppet, and Blair as his lapdog, would love pull off the same scam they did with Iraq, and invade Iran. Unfortunately, their troops are all stretched pretty thin by now, so they're reduced to whining about anything and everything the U.N. says or does that is inconsistent with their agenda. Poor ****-kickers. BTW, congrats to you Brits for the three hundred thousand or so of you who protested Dubya's visit to Buckinham, where he really ****ed off your Queen. Seems he can't go anywhere anymore without either ****ing someone off or getting protested, or both. Well, one just can't be liked by everybody, right? I gave up on you, my friend, and moved on. ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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"Sockpuppet Yustabe" wrote in message ... Well, one just can't be liked by everybody, right? I gave up on you, my friend, and moved on. Typically, you got it ass-backwards, my "friend". *I* gave up on you, you rabid SOB, and you *never* moved on - you make some sneering, assinine, insulting remark to virtually every post I put up here since I called you out and told you to get lost. If you really want to "move on", just ignore me. Then and only then will you begin to restore in yourself some modicum of credibility. |
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Sandbrain said: If you really want to "move on", just ignore me. Then and only then will you begin to restore in yourself some modicum of credibility. What about your repeated claims to be leaving RAO "for good"? Sacky isn't that bad, you know. He has some messed up ideas about politics and society, but at least he doesn't harbor the illusion that the details of his life are of interest to the group. And I'm sure you'll be happy to know that Gregipus came out of his closet. He still hates himself, and now we know why. |
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"Sandman" wrote in message ... "Sockpuppet Yustabe" wrote in message ... Well, one just can't be liked by everybody, right? I gave up on you, my friend, and moved on. Typically, you got it ass-backwards, my "friend". *I* gave up on you, you rabid SOB, and you *never* moved on - you make some sneering, assinine, insulting remark to virtually every post I put up here since I called you out and told you to get lost. Why is self awareness so difficult for some people? If you really want to "move on", just ignore me. Then and only then will you begin to restore in yourself some modicum of credibility. And you might try not to be so offended by behavior 1/10 as offensive and insulting as your own. Just a suggestion. Try not to go ballistic over it. ScottW |
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My remarks to Sack-O-**** go for you too, Scooter.
"ScottW" wrote in message news:tv7wb.5007$ML6.4294@fed1read01... "Sandman" wrote in message ... "Sockpuppet Yustabe" wrote in message ... Well, one just can't be liked by everybody, right? I gave up on you, my friend, and moved on. Typically, you got it ass-backwards, my "friend". *I* gave up on you, you rabid SOB, and you *never* moved on - you make some sneering, assinine, insulting remark to virtually every post I put up here since I called you out and told you to get lost. Why is self awareness so difficult for some people? If you really want to "move on", just ignore me. Then and only then will you begin to restore in yourself some modicum of credibility. And you might try not to be so offended by behavior 1/10 as offensive and insulting as your own. Just a suggestion. Try not to go ballistic over it. ScottW |
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"Joseph Oberlander" wrote in message link.net BArny Krueger wrote: International law is today a practical fiction, especially as applied to the US. That you think that so-called international law is binding on sovereign states shows your naiveté, Sanders. Name a country for which there has been a functional international war crimes trial, that remained sovereign. But how many people have been brought to justice the second they step outside their borders? Of course, being outside the sovereign nation that protects you is not a good thing... Help me here. I think it's happened once or twice, but I think it is pretty rare. Name an recent example. All those ex-Nazi hunters come to mind. The real problem isn't for Bush - he's got Secret Service protection for life, but his cabinet and Vice President and so on - who only get it for a limited time, then they are on their own. |
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"G.S. Nail" wrote in message ... "Sockpuppet Yustabe" wrote: Even if it were true, so what? The U.S. commits an act of civil disobedience against international law, as they percieve a higher moral calling rorm a higher moral authority. Isn't that pretty much what extremist factions (eg. Al-Qaeda) think too? They are acting on "a higher moral authority"? I would like to point out at this time that Bush is extremely religious, he sees his combat as a battle of Good over Evil. -- S i g n a l @ l i n e o n e . n e t The fact that you don't shows how blind you are. |
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"G.S. Nail" wrote in message ... "Sockpuppet Yustabe" wrote: Even if it were true, so what? The U.S. commits an act of civil disobedience against international law, as they percieve a higher moral calling rorm a higher moral authority. Isn't that pretty much what extremist factions (eg. Al-Qaeda) think too? They are acting on "a higher moral authority"? I would like to point out at this time that Bush is extremely religious, he sees his combat as a battle of Good over Evil. Posh! ;-) Everyone knows that the USA and Al-Queda are morally equivilant. Within each cultures own moral universe, that's probably correct. This is possibly not going to be the most popular view - but it could be argued that Al-Qaeda have shown more conviction in their moral beliefs. Actions speak louder than words :-( Unpopular is understatement. Insane would be better. -- S i g n a l @ l i n e o n e . n e t |
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"George M. Middius" wrote in message ... PD said: This is possibly not going to be the most popular view - but it could be argued that Al-Qaeda have shown more conviction in their moral beliefs. Actions speak louder than words :-( Notice that the suicide bombers are all brainwashed naifs. The masterminds of the terror campaign are manipulators, not martyrs. Like Sanders. |
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"Sandman" wrote in message ... G.S. Nail "nails" it on the head. Bingo! You violate the law, you get held accountable. Period. Great, Sadaam violated the law. WE held him accountable. To bad you weren't as outraged when it was Clinton violating the law. "G.S. Nail" wrote in message ... "Sockpuppet Yustabe" wrote: Even if it were true, so what? The U.S. commits an act of civil disobedience against international law, as they percieve a higher moral calling rorm a higher moral authority. Isn't that pretty much what extremist factions (eg. Al-Qaeda) think too? They are acting on "a higher moral authority"? I would like to point out at this time that Bush is extremely religious, he sees his combat as a battle of Good over Evil. -- S i g n a l @ l i n e o n e . n e t |
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"Sandman" wrote in message ... "Sockpuppet Yustabe" wrote in message ... "Sandman" wrote in message ... G.S. Nail "nails" it on the head. Bingo! You violate the law, you get held accountable. Period. Unless you are Saddam, then the world will let you walk. What a maroon. After the Gulf War, Dubya's daddy endorsed the U.N. sanctions against Saddam, which crippled Iraq's economy, enforced a no-fly zone over the vast majority of Iraq, and introduced U.N. inspectors into Iraq to search for evidence of wmd's or wmd programs. By the time the inspectors left (and no, they were not kicked out by Saddam, contrary to the lies you hear on Fox News) they were just frustrated at being "escorted" everywhere, and frustrated because over many years they in fact had found very little of any concern, all of which they destroyed). By early 2003, when Dubya thumbed his nose at the U.N. and the world and embarked on an illegal invasion of a crippled country that had not even treatened us (nor did it have the remotest potential to threaten us), much less attacked us, Saddam had been quite effectively "contained" by the U.N. sanctions. How you can call that "the world will let you walk (if you are Saddam)" defies all rationality. None of which is to say Saddam was not himself in violation of numerous provisions of international law. Yet he was but one of numerous murderous dictators around the globe at the time. The war against Iraq was not about wmds, and it was not about removing a murderous dictator, it was not about "fighting terrorism", and Dubya & Co. knew this all along and knows it now, despite their constant BS to the contrary. That's your unsuuported opinion as a Democrat kool aid drinker. It was about the PNAC agenda from the time they stole the Presidency, Another false statement. The only people trying to steal the Presidency worked for Gore. of conquering the middle east and controlling their oilfields, as they stated in their own words (to the best of my recollection from having read their position paper last winter): "the road to occupying the middle east goes through Baghdad" . Better find the actual quote, you're not known for your honesty. Now Dubya's even pontificating about "democratizing" the middle east. Well, we've seen what his "democratization" has accomplished in Iraq to date, and it's an unmitigated disaster, not just for Iraqis, not just for our soldiers, but for our entire citezenry which has born the cost in enormous out-of-control budget deficits, an economy in recession, joblessness, cuts in domestic programs, and even cuts in veterans' benefits. The majority of Iraqi's don't feel that way, tehy want us to stay. Dubya will be held accountable during the 2004 election, When he wins his second term. When he gets a filibuster proof Senate. as more and more of the truth about what he's done reaches more and more voters. Even if what you are claiming were true, as long as the economy is on the rebound, he'll get re-elected. The world is *not* letting Dubya walk, however, as is becoming clear to the administration as its recent so-called efforts to bring the world community into the morass it created in Iraq has fallen flat on its face Can you write anything thatisn't a lie? Why? Well, you just don't insult and defy the world and then come "begging" for money, arms and troops, without giving *anything* in exchange. IOW, "please, please, give us all your money, give us your troops to die in place of our troops, but we won't budge an inch when it comes to our retaining total control of the situation." Dubya & Co. have shown the nogiation skills of a poisoned rodent. More accurately, the rest of the world, aside from the coalition has shown they are chicken **** sissy boys. And dolts like you support this maniac's insanity. Dolts like you, Sanders, don't have the honesty to realize that your side is essentially responsable for letting people like Sadaam get to the point where we had to do the world's dirty work and take him out of power. |
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"Sandman" wrote in message ... "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Sandman" wrote in message Richard Perle (put a leash on that hounddog!) inadvertently lets the cat out of the bag: http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story...089158,00.html LMAO!!! The real laugh is that someone would think that any invasion has ever been legal. That shows your ignorance of international law. Invasion in response to a direct attack is legal. That's what distinguishes Afghanistan from Iraq. We were directly attacked by Al Queda elements headquartered in Afghanistan and protected by the Taliban regime. Our invasion of Afghanistan was therefore, unlike our invasion of Iraq, perfectly lawful under the U.N. Charter. Further, it was fully sanctioned by the U.N. Security Council, unlike our completely unprovoked unilateral, and lawless invasion of Iraq (based, as we all by now know on a ruthless, shameful, and vile pack of lies). You're full of ****. the same claims that Bush made about Iraq were made by Clinton. |
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"Sandman" wrote in message ... "Sockpuppet Yustabe" wrote in message ... Well, one just can't be liked by everybody, right? I gave up on you, my friend, and moved on. Typically, you got it ass-backwards, my "friend". *I* gave up on you, you rabid SOB, and you *never* moved on - you make some sneering, assinine, insulting remark to virtually every post I put up here since I called you out and told you to get lost. If you really want to "move on", just ignore me. Then and only then will you begin to restore in yourself some modicum of credibility. I had said many times that I put my friendship with you over politics. I had hoped for a long while that you would rethink your very different priorities. When it became evident that such a reconsideration was not to be, I gave up on our friendship ever being restored, and moved on. I can ignore you quite easily. However I cannot ignore the mistatements and lies that you offer up in service to your politics.. It was when I proved one of those mistatements, about your pronouncements on the Supreme Court election rulings, that things turned sour. As far as being described as 'rabid', I do consider myself a militant centrist. ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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"George M. Middius" wrote in message ... Sacky isn't that bad, you know. He has some messed up ideas about politics and society, but at least he doesn't harbor the illusion that the details of his life are of interest to the group. correction: "at least" You don't want to be accused of plagiarizing the great plagiarizer, do you? ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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"Joseph Oberlander" wrote in message
link.net Arny Krueger wrote: "Joseph Oberlander" wrote in message link.net BArny Krueger wrote: International law is today a practical fiction, especially as applied to the US. That you think that so-called international law is binding on sovereign states shows your naiveté, Sanders. Name a country for which there has been a functional international war crimes trial, that remained sovereign. But how many people have been brought to justice the second they step outside their borders? Of course, being outside the sovereign nation that protects you is not a good thing... Help me here. I think it's happened once or twice, but I think it is pretty rare. Name an recent example. All those ex-Nazi hunters come to mind. You mean like the people who captured Eichmann? The real problem isn't for Bush - he's got Secret Service protection for life, but his cabinet and Vice President and so on - who only get it for a limited time, then they are on their own. Have people really so thoroughly lost track of history that they think that these modern-day Americans are somehow comparable to Eichmann? |
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"Michael Mckelvy" wrote in message
"Sandman" wrote in message ... "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Sandman" wrote in message Richard Perle (put a leash on that hounddog!) inadvertently lets the cat out of the bag: http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story...089158,00.html LMAO!!! The real laugh is that someone would think that any invasion has ever been legal. That shows your ignorance of international law. Invasion in response to a direct attack is legal. That's what distinguishes Afghanistan from Iraq. We were directly attacked by Al Queda elements headquartered in Afghanistan and protected by the Taliban regime. Our invasion of Afghanistan was therefore, unlike our invasion of Iraq, perfectly lawful under the U.N. Charter. Further, it was fully sanctioned by the U.N. Security Council, unlike our completely unprovoked unilateral, and lawless invasion of Iraq (based, as we all by now know on a ruthless, shameful, and vile pack of lies). You're full of ****. the same claims that Bush made about Iraq were made by Clinton. Agreed. Ironically, one of the issues that Bush is alleged to have used to get elected, was his promise to repeal laws the Clinton administration passed in order to better keep tabs on people from the middle east who are living in the US. If you can somehow forget 9/11 (and its quite clear that many flaming liberals like Sanders have pretty well forgotten it) one could see this as some kind of a problem. |