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Removing Vocals from a Song
I've noticed products that remove the vocals from a song, leaving just
the bed. How is this actually done? Is it possible to perform this task, w/ the same quality results in Pro Tools? Thanks, -Adam |
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adam79 wrote:
I've noticed products that remove the vocals from a song, leaving just the bed. How is this actually done? Is it possible to perform this task, w/ the same quality results in Pro Tools? This is discussed in the FAQ. Basically, they take the difference between the two channels, so everything common to both channels drops out. However, this includes the bass guitar and kick drum on typical mixes, so they low-pass one channel so that you get a sum below around 250 Hz and a difference above it. It can work very well on a very dry mix that doesn't have any vocal panning and no lead guitar in the center. On any other mix, it sometimes works and sometimes not. Sometimes there's a lot of leakage but you can add an extra guitar track in there and hide it. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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On Nov 30, 6:01*pm, adam79 wrote:
I've noticed products that remove the vocals from a song, leaving just the bed. How is this actually done? Is it possible to perform this task, w/ the same quality results in Pro Tools? Keep in mind that it severely alters the character of the track.It won't sound like "the same recording that (fill in performer) sang to with me inserted into it instead." It's kind of a kludgy trick that gives questionable results. You might be better off to find a karaoke track that's very close to the original and use that. |
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The "Extraboy" plugin can work okay under certain conditions. The
examples they have on their page are under ideal conditions. Basically the instruments panned pretty much hard L & R, the vocal pretty dry and dead center. Even still, the vocal isn't 100% removed and the instruments are effected. Comparing the original to the "vocal removed" sample, notice for example how the piano gets substantially muddied. It will also do the reverse, isolating the vocal and other elements....sort of. |
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On 30 Nov 2011, adam79 wrote in rec.audio.pro: I've noticed products that remove the vocals from a song, leaving just the bed. How is this actually done? Is it possible to perform this task, w/ the same quality results in Pro Tools? The technique is known as OOPS (Out Of Phase Stereo). See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out_Of_...reo_%28OOPS%29 .... but the more sophisticated tools do a bit more than than, targeting the vocal in frequency range and stereo width, and avoiding damaging the rest of the track as much as possible. Many available as plugins, VST and DX for sure. Probably a PT (RTAS ?) plug or two available for same thing. Some free, some cost. Try here ;-) http://tinyurl.com/84t4mve geoff |
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On 11/30/11 11:55 PM, geoff wrote:
Try here ;-) http://tinyurl.com/84t4mve geoff There was some nifty **** goin' on in that link.. how'd u get it to do that search right before my eyes?!!? |
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On Wednesday, 30 November 2011 18:01:02 UTC-5, Adam wrote:
I've noticed products that remove the vocals from a song, leaving just the bed. How is this actually done? Is it possible to perform this task, w/ the same quality results in Pro Tools? Thanks, -Adam You might check out http://www.prosoniq.com/ They have an app called sonicWORX Isolate that looks pretty promising. Way back in the 90s Prosoniq sold a pretty cool editor/sound design app which ran on Mac OS9. Had a plugin called Pandora that did vocal suppression quite well.I still use it it from time to time on my legacy rig! After migrating their products to OSX, Prosoniq offered the earlier version for free on their site up til a few years ago. Probably still floating around the web somewhere. phil |
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There's another way to remove the vocals -- and without losing the stereo --
but I don't know if there's any software package to implement it. Most two-channel surround decoders have "logic" circuitry that detects the mono dialog and removes it from the left and right channels. (Of course, it also removes anything else that's dead-center, or near dead-center.) If there aren't any instruments "near" the vocalist, this might work well. Most consumer surround controllers have a Dolby MP mode that can perform this extraction with digital inputs. If you're willing to work in the analog domain, a high-quality Dolby MP decoder (such as the Shure) might work. |
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adam79 wrote:
On 11/30/11 11:55 PM, geoff wrote: Try here ;-) http://tinyurl.com/84t4mve geoff There was some nifty **** goin' on in that link.. how'd u get it to do that search right before my eyes?!!? Try www.lmgtfy.com ;-) geoff |
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There's only one question i have whenever this topic comes
up in this group. Well, actually two. #1: ISn't this usually done for karaoke? #2: IF the artist and publisher wanted their song done at karaoke joints wouldn't they provide a vocals free version for sale? Richard .... Karaoke: Orig. Japanese "Tone-deaf drunk with microphone". ___ -- | Remove .my.foot for email | via Waldo's Place USA Fidonet-Internet Gateway Site | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. |
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Richard Webb wrote:
There's only one question i have whenever this topic comes up in this group. Well, actually two. #1: ISn't this usually done for karaoke? #2: IF the artist and publisher wanted their song done at karaoke joints wouldn't they provide a vocals free version for sale? Yep, and you have to pay for them, which seems a problem for some people. Or sometimes specialist companies will have a karaoke version made. Google "/trackname/ karaoke" geoff |
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"Richard Webb" wrote in message ... There's only one question i have whenever this topic comes up in this group. Well, actually two. #1: ISn't this usually done for karaoke? IME most karaoke that is done in public venues (e.g., a bar) is based on specially-made recordings. Basically, the recording is an instrumental-only cover. With good musicians and good production, a close match to the popular recording can be obtained, if that is what is desired. Often a close match is not desired. Many popular songs are too hard for most people to sing well. #2: IF the artist and publisher wanted their song done at karaoke joints wouldn't they provide a vocals free version for sale? Exactly. |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... IME most karaoke that is done in public venues (e.g., a bar) is based on specially-made recordings. Basically, the recording is an instrumental-only cover. With good musicians and good production, a close match to the popular recording can be obtained, if that is what is desired. Often a close match is not desired. Many popular songs are too hard for most people to sing well. #2: IF the artist and publisher wanted their song done at karaoke joints wouldn't they provide a vocals free version for sale? Exactly. Some recent singles do provide "Home sing along karaoke" versions, however most Commercial karaoke tracks are video's with highlight lyrics for the plebs to follow otherwise they not only don't know the lyrics, but don't know how to follow the music either. Trevor. |
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On Thu, 1 Dec 2011 11:08:12 -0800, William Sommerwerck wrote
(in article ): There's another way to remove the vocals -- and without losing the stereo -- but I don't know if there's any software package to implement it. ------------------------------snip------------------------------ Yeah, tons of them. One recent one I've played with is Waves Center: http://www.waves.com/Content.aspx?id=8885 available for RTAS, VST, and TDM. Center allows you to adjust the level of phantom center vocals, and actually does a pretty good job. I think it's not really designed for removing vocals per se, but it will at least cut out the phantom center, which will *sometimes* remove the lead vocal. But (as has been previously mentioned) it also snips out any other instruments in the center channel as well, and any reverb or backup vocals in the hard left and hard right channels will still be there. There are also Dolby Pro Logic surround decoders available as software plug-ins, but they're not cheap. --MFW |
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"Marc Wielage" wrote in message
.com... On Thu, 1 Dec 2011 11:08:12 -0800, William Sommerwerck wrote (in article ): There's another way to remove the vocals -- and without losing the stereo -- but I don't know if there's any software package to implement it. Yeah, tons of them. One recent one I've played with is Waves Center: http://www.waves.com/Content.aspx?id=8885 available for RTAS, VST, and TDM. Center allows you to adjust the level of phantom center vocals, and actually does a pretty good job. I think it's not really designed for removing vocals per se, but it will at least cut out the phantom center, which will *sometimes* remove the lead vocal. But (as has been previously mentioned) it also snips out any other instruments in the center channel as well, and any reverb or backup vocals in the hard left and hard right channels will still be there. There are also Dolby Pro Logic surround decoders available as software plug-ins, but they're not cheap. And, as I said in the orginal post, there are analog and digital consumer Pro Logic decoders. If I had nothing better to do with time, I'd pull out my Shure HTS 5300 and see how well it removes the center-front component of a stereo signal. |
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On Sun, 4 Dec 2011 02:26:08 -0800, William Sommerwerck wrote
(in article ): And, as I said in the orginal post, there are analog and digital consumer Pro Logic decoders. If I had nothing better to do with time, I'd pull out my Shure HTS 5300 and see how well it removes the center-front component of a stereo signal. ------------------------------snip------------------------------ That's a very '80s method, Bill. You can do this in about 1/10th the time in a digital audio workstation. Why take a digital file and go through an unnecessary D/A - A/D pass if you can do all of it in the digital domain? I had a Lexicon CP-3 digital Dolby Pro Logic decoder I used for years, and it actually does have a coax digital S/PDIF input. That would do this entirely in the digital domain. But trust me, extracting the center-channel vocal using the method I outlined before, with a plug-in, is infinitely faster and more effective. I agree, 15 years ago, this was not the case. --MFW |
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And, as I said in the orginal post, there are analog and digital consumer
Pro Logic decoders. If I had nothing better to do with time, I'd pull out my Shure HTS 5300 and see how well it removes the center-front component of a stereo signal. That's a very '80s method, Bill. You can do this in about 1/10th the time in a digital audio workstation. Why take a digital file and go through an unnecessary D/A - A/D pass if you can do all of it in the digital domain? I could just as well do it in the digital domain with with my Parasound C2 controller. I was simply pointing out that there's a lot of readily available legacy equipment to do this. I had a Lexicon CP-3 digital Dolby Pro Logic decoder I used for years, and it actually does have a coax digital S/PDIF input. That would do this entirely in the digital domain. But trust me, extracting the center-channel vocal using the method I outlined before, with a plug-in, is infinitely faster and more effective. I agree, 15 years ago, this was not the case. If you've got the base software and the plug-in, go for it. |
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On Tue, 6 Dec 2011 07:45:05 -0800, William Sommerwerck wrote
(in article ): I could just as well do it in the digital domain with with my Parasound C2 controller. ------------------------------snip------------------------------ But not with the Shure Pro Logic surround decoder, a device that's almost 24 years old. Have you ever tried using plug-ins with digital audio workstations? It's a big change from using mixing boards and patch cables, but this method has huge advantages in terms of speed and flexibility, and I think the sound quality has improved over time to the point where it makes more sense to go this way today, especially for the o.p.'s question. Try it -- you might like it. --MFW |
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