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On Dec 2, 5:22*pm, Mike Rivers wrote:
On 12/2/2011 9:03 AM, chris ruth wrote: So i got a focusrite scarlett 8i6. Have not tried it yet. Hope it works I had one that worked fine with Windows XP Since Windows 7 has been out for a few years now, I see no reason why it shouldn't work fine with that. But start out slow. Start out with a large buffer. -- "Today's production equipment is IT based and cannot be operated without a passing knowledge of computing, although it seems that it can be operated without a passing knowledge of audio." - John Watkinson http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com- useful and interesting audio stuff Well i tried it and it 'works' but i'm not happy with the sound. I had to crank up the gain almost all the way to get a decent signal, and it sounded kind of 'tin'-ey. Now i know you would probably question that the tascam would actually sound any better but i think it did. Now i'm thinking the USBpre 2. |
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chris ruth wrote:
Well i tried it and it 'works' but i'm not happy with the sound. I had to crank up the gain almost all the way to get a decent signal, and it sounded kind of 'tin'-ey. What mike are you using? --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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On Dec 5, 12:05*pm, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
chris ruth wrote: Well i tried it and it 'works' but i'm not happy with the sound. I had to crank up the gain almost all the way to get a decent signal, and it sounded kind of 'tin'-ey. What mike are you using? --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." Oktava MK012A-MSP Matched Pair |
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chris ruth wrote:
On Dec 5, 12:05=A0pm, (Scott Dorsey) wrote: chris ruth wrote: Well i tried it and it 'works' but i'm not happy with the sound. I had to crank up the gain almost all the way to get a decent signal, and it sounded kind of 'tin'-ey. What mike are you using? Oktava MK012A-MSP Matched Pair Measure phantom voltage under load and make sure it's more than 35V or so. Those mikes are very touchy about phantom supplies, and won't work with anything that is out of spec. Also, they drive only one leg of the output which is normally no problem but might be an issue with some weird preamp topology. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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On Dec 5, 9:41*pm, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
chris ruth wrote: On Dec 5, 12:05=A0pm, (Scott Dorsey) wrote: chris ruth wrote: Well i tried it and it 'works' but i'm not happy with the sound. I had to crank up the gain almost all the way to get a decent signal, and it sounded kind of 'tin'-ey. What mike are you using? Oktava MK012A-MSP Matched Pair Measure phantom voltage under load and make sure it's more than 35V or so.. Those mikes are very touchy about phantom supplies, and won't work with anything that is out of spec. *Also, they drive only one leg of the output which is normally no problem but might be an issue with some weird preamp topology. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." how in heavens do i measure that? i do have a voltmeter?? Here's an example of what i got with the tascam. Of course with a little reverb added. I found that i could only get a decent sound close miced. I usually use an ORTF placement about6 in from 12-fret. Anyway... hope this works, a little Bartok piece. The focusrite sounded worse than this. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/38679149/08-...%204-Grave.mp3 |
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On Dec 5, 8:41*pm, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
chris ruth wrote: On Dec 5, 12:05=A0pm, (Scott Dorsey) wrote: chris ruth wrote: Well i tried it and it 'works' but i'm not happy with the sound. I had to crank up the gain almost all the way to get a decent signal, and it sounded kind of 'tin'-ey. What mike are you using? Oktava MK012A-MSP Matched Pair Measure phantom voltage under load and make sure it's more than 35V or so.. Those mikes are very touchy about phantom supplies, and won't work with anything that is out of spec. *Also, they drive only one leg of the output which is normally no problem but might be an issue with some weird preamp topology. Hmmm...that hasn't been my experience. My MK012s work quite nicely on +24V phantom, which a crappy board of my acquaintance puts out. That's more than I can say for my KM 84s. Peace, Paul |
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On 12/5/2011 10:48 AM, chris ruth wrote:
So i got a focusrite scarlett 8i6. Have not tried it yet. Hope it works Well i tried it and it 'works' but i'm not happy with the sound. I had to crank up the gain almost all the way to get a decent signal, In that case, you won't like any of these units. They all have about the same "gain" (input voltage vs. bits) and with a quiet instrument, you will need to use full gain. and it sounded kind of 'tin'-ey. What mic? What position? What room? What guitar? Now i know you would probably question that the tascam would actually sound any better but i think it did. In what way? I don't doubt that they sound quite similar, but I don't think one would blow the other away. Now i'm thinking the USBpre 2. I think you'll find that it has more gain than any of the "desktop" interfaces that cost half as much as the Sound Devices. But if it gives you the sound you're looking for and you feel comfortable with the cost, go for it. It's a step up in "professional" from what you've been working with, and that's always a good thing. -- "Today's production equipment is IT based and cannot be operated without a passing knowledge of computing, although it seems that it can be operated without a passing knowledge of audio." - John Watkinson http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com - useful and interesting audio stuff |
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On 12/5/2011 9:41 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Measure phantom voltage under load and make sure it's more than 35V or so. 42.6v with two KM84s, which admittedly don't draw very much current. -- "Today's production equipment is IT based and cannot be operated without a passing knowledge of computing, although it seems that it can be operated without a passing knowledge of audio." - John Watkinson http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com - useful and interesting audio stuff |
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On 12/5/2011 9:59 PM, nobody calls me this but annatar wrote:
how in heavens do i measure that? i do have a voltmeter?? You can measure the open circuit voltage by measuring between pins 1 and 2 or between 1 and 3 (they should be the same). Measuring it under load is a little trickier but a good was to get an idea of whether the phantom powering is feeble is to measure the voltage at one mic connector and see how much it changes when you plug a mic into the other connector. This test is more significant if you have something like a 16-channel console with phantom on all channels. Plug in 16 powered mics and measure the voltage at the 16th connector and see if it's still holding within 10% of 48v. I looked through my notes for a review of the TASCAM US-122 that I wrote many years ago and oddly I didn't measure the minimum input level for 0 dBFS digital output. It's something I always do now since everybody complains about not being able to "get a good signal." but the bottom line is that (in most cases, with music recording) if you can't deal with tracks that don't go all the way to full scale and get good sound, you're doing something else wrong, -- "Today's production equipment is IT based and cannot be operated without a passing knowledge of computing, although it seems that it can be operated without a passing knowledge of audio." - John Watkinson http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com - useful and interesting audio stuff |
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nobody calls me this but annatar wrote:
On Dec 5, 9:41=A0pm, (Scott Dorsey) wrote: Measure phantom voltage under load and make sure it's more than 35V or so= . how in heavens do i measure that? i do have a voltmeter?? Open up a cable shell, measure between pins 2 and 1. With no mike connected, you should get 48V from the preamp. With the mike connected you should get around 35V. You should see the same voltage also from 3 to 1. I've never used any Focusrite stuff, so I don't know if it's designed to meet the specs or not. Measure it and find out. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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PStamler writes:
snips Hmmm...that hasn't been my experience. My MK012s work quite nicely on +24V phantom, which a crappy board of my acquaintance puts out. That's more than I can say for my KM 84s. KM84s? The originals and not KM184s? Er, ah, I have a pair of MK012s... Be happy to swap you straight across for your KM84s. Frank Mobile Audio -- |
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On 12/6/2011 3:35 PM, Frank Stearns wrote:
Er, ah, I have a pair of MK012s... Be happy to swap you straight across for your KM84s. A pair? You'd better have about 30. But then what would I do with 30 MK012s other than sell them and buy another pair of KM84s., No thanks, I guess. -- "Today's production equipment is IT based and cannot be operated without a passing knowledge of computing, although it seems that it can be operated without a passing knowledge of audio." - John Watkinson http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com - useful and interesting audio stuff |
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On Dec 6, 8:42*pm, Mike Rivers wrote:
On 12/6/2011 3:35 PM, Frank Stearns wrote: Er, ah, I have a pair of MK012s... Be happy to swap you straight across for your KM84s. * A pair? You'd better have about 30. But then what would I do with 30 MK012s other than sell them and buy another pair of KM84s., No thanks, I guess. -- "Today's production equipment is IT based and cannot be operated without a passing knowledge of computing, although it seems that it can be operated without a passing knowledge of audio." - John Watkinson http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com- useful and interesting audio stuff ok, well now that you've shamed my mics, can you recommend a good mic for recording classical guitar? (if anyone is still looking at this thread |
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On Dec 8, 4:00*pm, chris ruth wrote:
On Dec 6, 8:42*pm, Mike Rivers wrote: On 12/6/2011 3:35 PM, Frank Stearns wrote: Er, ah, I have a pair of MK012s... Be happy to swap you straight across for your KM84s. * A pair? You'd better have about 30. But then what would I do with 30 MK012s other than sell them and buy another pair of KM84s., No thanks, I guess. -- "Today's production equipment is IT based and cannot be operated without a passing knowledge of computing, although it seems that it can be operated without a passing knowledge of audio." - John Watkinson http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com-useful and interesting audio stuff ok, well now that you've shamed my mics, can you recommend a good mic for recording classical guitar? (if anyone is still looking at this thread Listen to a pair of the AT4041. I like them better than the KM184. |
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On Dec 8, 9:33*pm, cedricl wrote:
On Dec 8, 4:00*pm, chris ruth wrote: On Dec 6, 8:42*pm, Mike Rivers wrote: On 12/6/2011 3:35 PM, Frank Stearns wrote: Er, ah, I have a pair of MK012s... Be happy to swap you straight across for your KM84s. * A pair? You'd better have about 30. But then what would I do with 30 MK012s other than sell them and buy another pair of KM84s., No thanks, I guess. -- "Today's production equipment is IT based and cannot be operated without a passing knowledge of computing, although it seems that it can be operated without a passing knowledge of audio." - John Watkinson http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com-usefuland interesting audio stuff ok, well now that you've shamed my mics, can you recommend a good mic for recording classical guitar? (if anyone is still looking at this thread Listen to a pair of the AT4041. I like them better than the KM184.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - i don't have the KM's, i have pair of matched Octava MK012s |
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