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#41
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George has too much free time
wrote in message k.net... "Clyde Slick" wrote in message news wrote in message nk.net... "Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... wrote in message nk.net... "Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... wrote in message nk.net... "George M. Middius" cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net wrote in message ... 2500 lines of posturing, fer chrissakes. Shut up, Mikey. What the **** are doing wasting time counting the number of lines, get a hobby already. 2,560 exactly, and I didn't ahve to count them. Having trouble reading usenet specs, Mikey?? Just don't care. Is there some reason I should? Yes indeed, you were mouthing off about them, without knowing anything about them. And? Your incompetence was showing. i just wanted to give you a chance to zip up your fly. I'm sorry, does this mean I can't join the usenet geeks club and compare how many lines in each post? Not yet, you still need more teknikal egspurtize. |
#42
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George has too much free time
On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 23:28:21 -0500, "Clyde Slick"
wrote: I didn't ahve to Interesting word, Art. I fear you're setting a bad example for Mike when I'm trying to train him. |
#43
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Mickey's meltdown
On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 03:53:28 GMT, wrote:
We all know what you are Ludo. **** off. Mike, may I ask a sensible question: what do you have to gain by proving that ABX is a useful tool in comparing hi-fi products? I mean, all these posts, thousands of words and so much passion--what's it all about? I don't think even Arnie has written as much as you in defence of ABX. I'm mystified. |
#44
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Mickey's meltdown
Please speak in english or spanglish in this channel..
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#45
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Mickey's meltdown
paulie said: Mike, may I ask a sensible question: what do you have to gain by proving that ABX is a useful tool in comparing hi-fi products? I mean, all these posts, thousands of words and so much passion--what's it all about? I don't think even Arnie has written as much as you in defence of ABX. I'm mystified. For Mikey, yammering about aBxism is the only alternative to curl up and die. |
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Mickey's meltdown
On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 03:53:28 GMT, wrote:
You won't have to worry, since you are completely dishonest on thesubject of ABX and DBT, there's no reaosn to talk to you about it anymore. Praise the lord! |
#47
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Mickey goes to the wall for aBxism
Clyde Slick said: I'm sorry, does this mean I can't join the usenet geeks club and compare how many lines in each post? Where is the Krooglebeast when we need to identify a Schopenhauer dodge? Here's the sequence that took place: 1. I made a post commenting on the inordinate number of lines in Mickey's ridiculous quote from some source he worships. 2. Mickey was so embarassed that all he could do is blare his ignorance as to how I knew how many lines his post had. 3. Three people then showed Mickey how stupid he was to whine about it because it's a trivial matter to get the line count if you have a reasonably functional news client. 4. Where a Normal person would be chastened at having made a fool of himself, Mickey then belligerently stuck out his lower lip and whined that he was bored. Notwithstanding, of course, that it was Mickey his own dumb self who opened the subject for discussion. Not yet, you still need more teknikal egspurtize. Apparently he's getting better at compulsive lying. Maybe that's where he found Arnii Kroo****'s leadership to be valuable. .. .. |
#48
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Mickey goes to the wall for aBxism
"George Middius" wrote in message ... Clyde Slick said: I'm sorry, does this mean I can't join the usenet geeks club and compare how many lines in each post? Where is the Krooglebeast when we need to identify a Schopenhauer dodge? Here's the sequence that took place: 1. I made a post commenting on the inordinate number of lines in Mickey's ridiculous quote from some source he worships. Which was your way of doding the information contained therein and how it dem,olished yet another of Ludo's idiot statements. 2. Mickey was so embarassed that all he could do is blare his ignorance as to how I knew how many lines his post had. I simply wondered at the fact that such information was provided, since being relativblely normal, I don't pay attention to such things. 3. Three people then showed Mickey how stupid he was to whine about it because it's a trivial matter to get the line count if you have a reasonably functional news client. Again ignoring the fact that the reaosn for the length was to demolish another of Ludo's ignorant statements. 4. Where a Normal person would be chastened at having made a fool of himself, Mickey then belligerently stuck out his lower lip and whined that he was bored. Notwithstanding, of course, that it was Mickey his own dumb self who opened the subject for discussion. Thank for admitting the BBC used ABX to choose their Dynaudio speakers. Not yet, you still need more teknikal egspurtize. Apparently he's getting better at compulsive lying. Maybe that's where he found Arnii Kroo****'s leadership to be valuable. If I were, it would only be from learning at the feet of such accomplished lying assholes as you George. |
#49
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Mickey's meltdown
wrote in message ... On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 03:53:28 GMT, wrote: We all know what you are Ludo. **** off. Mike, may I ask a sensible question: what do you have to gain by proving that ABX is a useful tool in comparing hi-fi products? I'm not proving it, tat was done long ago, by others. I mean, all these posts, thousands of words and so much passion--what's it all about? I don't think even Arnie has written as much as you in defence of ABX. I'm mystified. That's at least part of the problem. The simnple fact is ABX is a valid protocol, not the only protocol for discovering sublte differnces. Sighted comaprisons are worthless. I'm not proving it, I wondering why and how anyone could stupid enough to not understand that it is what it is, or how stupid you have to be to think that sighted comparisons for subtle difference could be anything other than foolish. I fell like I'm asking why anyone could reject 1+1 being 2. I'm fascinated by the dance of the idiots as they try to deny reality. |
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Mickey's meltdown
"George M. Middius" cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net wrote in message ... paulie said: Mike, may I ask a sensible question: what do you have to gain by proving that ABX is a useful tool in comparing hi-fi products? I mean, all these posts, thousands of words and so much passion--what's it all about? I don't think even Arnie has written as much as you in defence of ABX. I'm mystified. For Mikey, yammering about aBxism is the only alternative to curl up and die. Yammering against ABX is your only alternative to eating your own ****. |
#51
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Mickey's meltdown
Lester Mosley wrote: Please speak in english or spanglish in this channel.. ok I bought my first ever rap album, and in perfect complement to my life , my first rap album is by a white boy. My life never changes! I couldn't stand it anymore, especially after hearing, and seeing the video, for Eminem's latest song. His voice is addictive, as is, obviously, his lyricism. I NEVER thought I would EVER have any appreciation for that genre. Jeez. But, in the same trip I also bought Chicago and Mary J Blige. I'd seen a thing on her over the summer, discovered how real she is, and she's been thru hell, and that settled that. And I've been having a "thing" for Chicago and Earth wind And Fire lately, so I bought the Chicago. I'm so glad I bought the Eminiem (The Eminem Show, not his newest ). Great crap. mk5000 "oh wow. WOw. Jason just railed again, after 20 minutes of being at baseline"--kirk klawson |
#53
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Mickey's meltdown
marika wrote: Lester Mosley wrote: Please speak in english or spanglish in this channel.. ok I bought my first ever rap album, and in perfect complement to my life , my first rap album is by a white boy. My life never changes! I couldn't stand it anymore, especially after hearing, and seeing the video, for Eminem's latest song. His voice is addictive, as is, obviously, his lyricism. I NEVER thought I would EVER have any appreciation for that genre. Jeez. But, in the same trip I also bought Chicago and Mary J Blige. I'd seen a thing on her over the summer, discovered how real she is, and she's been thru hell, and that settled that. And I've been having a "thing" for Chicago and Earth wind And Fire lately, so I bought the Chicago. I'm so glad I bought the Eminiem (The Eminem Show, not his newest ). Great crap. Crap can be good, but crap is still crap. You can shine it up, you can spray perfume on it. But it is still crap. You can even mold it into animals, dry it and sell it for $19.95, but it is still crap. You can even shape it into the thing from thirs encounters of the third kind and have lucas etch his name into it... But it is still crap... If the pop doesnt flush, you still have floating crap, and it may even be holy crap. If Holly takes a crap, it is just crap. So please don't rate this poo. Shall we have some oysters? |
#54
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Mickey's meltdown
wrote in message oups.com... wrote: wrote in message oups.com... wrote: I hope this e-mail address of yours works because I just sent some files that were sent to by Sean Olive that clearly indicate that B&O, NASA, and Nokia all use ABX. wrote in message oups.com... wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Arny Krueger wrote: "George M. Middius" cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net wrote in message 2500 lines of posturing, fer chrissakes. Shut up, Mikey. Thanks for showing once again that you can't tell the difference between audio knowlege and posturing, Middius. Nice to hear from you, Arny. I've been looking for your contribution to the "The case for ABX..." thread. I thought you might be unwell or on leave but I see that you let your flock take the grapeshot. Well an ArchPriest has to save his irreplaceable self. Your answer to Middius allows two interpretations: 1) you do not understand that "posturing" refers to Nyob's appropriating a serious article 2) You're up to your debating trickery which I continue to think is not worthy of you. As for Ludovic needing lessons from fatuous NYOB in the value of double-blind testing{ For the umpteenth time:1) I was doing DBT medical research before any of you heard the name. Medical DBT research can be validated by objective data (psyche is an exception) 2) DBT is DBT, ABX is ABX 3) ABX is a double blind protocol used by people doing audio research from the BBC to Nokia, to Bang&Olafson, to Harman, to hearing aid companies, and on and on. I use blind technique sometimes myself when I listen to a new component. Not yours but mine Left-Right method.4) But when it comes to invalidable preferences in musical reproduction I'll take eg. Holt's opinion sighted any time over NYOBs nth power seventy times blind. Take whatever you want you still haven't a clue about ABX for audio. 5) Research is another matter entirely: double blind provides uniformity. I need no convincing from NYOB. You mean you've finally accepted that ABX is a valid protocol used to test for subtle audio differences? But I would like him to stop conflating DBT and ABX - assuming that he is capable of understanding the difference. Ludovic Mirabel I know that ABX is a form of DBT, something you don't seem to get. It is also a widely used and valid protocol, something else you don't seem to get. __________________________________________________ _________ ABX is a double blind protocol used by people doing audio research from the BBC to Nokia, to Bang&Olafson, to Harman, to hearing aid companies, and on and on. BBC-- no. Quote documentation and show me for a liar or you for a ...what? B&O- no. Ditto, Ditto, Ditto Nokia that famous audio company uses it for comparing cellphones or what? Documantation? Harman -no. Ditto, Ditto, Ditto Have you got the distinction between DBT and ABX clear in your head yet? NYOB, NYOB, you make my day. Ludovic Mirabel __________________________________________________ _______ . This was the exchange on Nov 16th in this thread. There were two postings by NYOB The first one can be looked up in that thread just above this one. NYOB: ABX is a double blind protocol used by people doing audio research from the BBC to Nokia, to Bang&Olafson, to Harman, to hearing aid companies, and on and on. I answered: BBC-- no. Quote documentation and show me for a liar or you for a ...what? B&O- no. Ditto, Ditto, Ditto Nokia that famous audio company uses it for comparing cellphones or what? Documantation? Harman -no. Ditto, Ditto, Ditto Have you got the distinction between DBT and ABX clear in your head yet? NYOB, NYOB, you make my day. Ludovic Mirabel In response I got 2 postings . The first one can be read entire in the thread. Even with "hiddeb text" it would make this too long for one posting. Below is my response to the two. You are my one and only, inimitable, incredible, fatuous, transsubstantial NYOB. With a wave of your wand you transport me to the "Alice in Wonderland" country. Whuite Rabbits, Mad Hatters all over the place. So far you produced some 60 phony references to the good, old Humpty-Dumpty ABX. This is the latest one- 7 meters long.. Ther was nothing about ABX in most of those , except for a few of them with a negative, "no diference" component comparisons.There is not one word about ABX in this one. The closest it gets is an incomplete DBT. Quote.: " It was not possible to carry out the tests entirely 'double-blind. Inevitably, the project team would know which loudspeakers were being assessed. However, only one member of the project team remained in the room to supervise the tests - to ensure that the test subjects did not confer or try to look behind the screen to identify the loudspeakers. That person was often actually unaware of the loudspeaker manufacturer because code letters were used to identify the loudspeakers. In any case, under the pressure of physically moving the loudspeakers and setting the levels, the members of the project team had little time (or inclination) to take note of the identity. The supervisor was also under strict instruction not to exhibit any reactions." End of quote. In the 2nd posting wrote: I hope this e-mail address of yours works because I just sent some files that were sent to by Sean Olive that clearly indicate that B&O, NASA, and Nokia all use ABX. I got by email 3 Acrobat attachments about a research project. I didn't read it in detail but it seemed to have nothing to do with ABX-as usual. Thanks for admitting you don't try to find the pertinent references. Who cares what it "indicates" to NYOB? All we need is just one paragraph: "We used ABX as testing method with this result:..." All of those attachments had something to do with ABX. NYOB- I get enough unasked for garbage by email as it is. You're welcome to wish me a Merry Xmas but if you have a contribution to a forum discussion publish it in the forum. Having to cope with offers of Cialis, penis enlargement and young women pining to entertain me I get enough tempting spam as it is. Secondly: If you found something about ABX (or whatever interested you) publish the quote with a reference not the whole bloody paper to waste time on for no benefit. You won't have to worry, since you are completely dishonest on thesubject of ABX and DBT, there's no reaosn to talk to you about it anymore. Yo already know that it's used by nearly everyone sho does any kind of audio research, denying it doesn't change that. You could e-mail Sean Olive and find out far more than I can tell, you, but you won't If you had ever tried to publish a scientific paper you wouldn't get very far if you snowed the editor under with your complete copies to wade through Soon you'll be copying books in the forum. Instead of talking about papers I'm not going to write, you'd be better of reading some that have to with the subject you claim to have some interest in. It is difficult to fathom what motivates you. I like to show fools that they arn't fooling anybody. I doubt if you're sophisticated enough to be just an ordinary liar. I'm considering several hypotheses: You have problems with simple verbal comprehension- you fall asleep before you get to the end of it- you think I'll fall asleep- which is it? No further response to further pointless mailings. Go in the corner and mouth: "I'm not a liar. Ludovic is a liar if he says I'm a liar. Ludovic Mirabel We all know what you are Ludo. **** off. __________________________________________________ _ When his claims are shown second time in a row to be rather transparent liesl NYOB gets angry: You asked for proof that the companies I mentioned used ABX, I provided it. I can't be held responible if you are too lazy to read them. I posted the one regarding the BBC because it was is known that they changed from in house built speakers to Dynaudio brand speakers and their methodology was the subject of research paper, which outlines how they used ABX to make that decision. "We all know what you are Ludo. **** off." If you think that diving in to swim in your natural element, the gutter, will give you licence to rechant for the third time- (give it a week or two for people to forget ) - your wet dreams about BBC, B&O etc. chanting your ABX spells you have another think coming. Bad as the smell is you'll be watched from above. Don't even try it. Your still lying Ludovic or whoever you really are. Someday you'll get it through your head that the reason for not finding any positive ABX results is because so much of the audio gear tested sounds indistinguishable from other gear, so it would be impossible to tell them apart. |
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Mickey's meltdown
duh-Mikey tries the "debating trade" crapola and falls flat on his pimply face. Someday you'll get it through your head that the reason for not finding any positive ABX results is because so much of the audio gear tested sounds indistinguishable from other gear, so it would be impossible to tell them apart. Are you sure you're not educated, Mickey? Sounds like you have a PhD in philosophy. ;-) .. .. |
#56
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Mickey's meltdown
"George Middius" wrote in message ... duh-Mikey tries the "debating trade" crapola and falls flat on his pimply face. Someday you'll get it through your head that the reason for not finding any positive ABX results is because so much of the audio gear tested sounds indistinguishable from other gear, so it would be impossible to tell them apart. Are you sure you're not educated, Mickey? Sounds like you have a PhD in philosophy. ;-) I know grade school kids that get the fact that when you do comparisons that come up with no difference scores every time, they understand that it's because there was no difference. It's a shame that there are grown ups (more or less) here that don't get that simple fact. |
#57
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Mickey's meltdown
"George Middius" wrote in message ... duh-Mikey tries the "debating trade" crapola and falls flat on his pimply face. Someday you'll get it through your head that the reason for not finding any positive ABX results is because so much of the audio gear tested sounds indistinguishable from other gear, so it would be impossible to tell them apart. Are you sure you're not educated, Mickey? Sounds like you have a PhD in philosophy. ;-) "At least" he finished. |
#58
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Mickey's meltdown
wrote in message k.net... "George Middius" wrote in message ... duh-Mikey tries the "debating trade" crapola and falls flat on his pimply face. Someday you'll get it through your head that the reason for not finding any positive ABX results is because so much of the audio gear tested sounds indistinguishable from other gear, so it would be impossible to tell them apart. Are you sure you're not educated, Mickey? Sounds like you have a PhD in philosophy. ;-) I know grade school kids that get the fact that when you do comparisons that come up with no difference scores every time, they understand that it's because there was no difference. It's a shame that there are grown ups (more or less) here that don't get that simple fact. I though one had to be "at least" fourteen to be invited down into ARny's basement. |
#59
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Mickey's meltdown
Mikey McHurtMe reveals his secret perversions. Are you sure you're not educated, Mickey? Sounds like you have a PhD in philosophy. ;-) I hump grade school kids Thanks Mr. McHurtMe for admitting the truth about your "friendship" with Arnii "Pervborg" Krooger. |
#60
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Mickey's meltdown
"Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... wrote in message k.net... "George Middius" wrote in message ... duh-Mikey tries the "debating trade" crapola and falls flat on his pimply face. Someday you'll get it through your head that the reason for not finding any positive ABX results is because so much of the audio gear tested sounds indistinguishable from other gear, so it would be impossible to tell them apart. Are you sure you're not educated, Mickey? Sounds like you have a PhD in philosophy. ;-) I know grade school kids that get the fact that when you do comparisons that come up with no difference scores every time, they understand that it's because there was no difference. It's a shame that there are grown ups (more or less) here that don't get that simple fact. I though one had to be "at least" fourteen to be invited down into ARny's basement. When did George start using the name Arny? |
#61
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Mickey's meltdown
"George M. Middius" cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net wrote in message ... Mikey McHurtMe reveals his secret perversions. Are you sure you're not educated, Mickey? Sounds like you have a PhD in philosophy. ;-) I hump grade school kids Thanks Mr. McHurtMe for admitting the truth about your "friendship" with Arnii "Pervborg" Krooger. A new low even for you George. |
#62
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Mickey's meltdown
wrote in message ups.com... wrote: "George Middius" wrote in message ... duh-Mikey tries the "debating trade" crapola and falls flat on his pimply face. Someday you'll get it through your head that the reason for not finding any positive ABX results is because so much of the audio gear tested sounds indistinguishable from other gear, so it would be impossible to tell them apart. Are you sure you're not educated, Mickey? Sounds like you have a PhD in philosophy. ;-) I know grade school kids that get the fact that when you do comparisons that come up with no difference scores every time, they understand that it's because there was no difference. It's a shame that there are grown ups (more or less) here that don't get that simple fact. Lord, grant me patience with this inept fraudster....!!!! BBC, B&O and Harman DID NOT USE ABX DID NOT USE ABX DID NOT USE ABX Disagree? Quote one excerpt from each to show that they did. Already did that with the BBC you idiot. Try to keep a civil toungue in your mouth when talking to grown ups Mikey Boy. Ludovic Mirabel Try not to be such a lying sack of ****. |
#63
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Mickey's meltdown
Lester Mosley wrote: Crap can be good, but crap is still crap. WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE???????????? You can shine it up, you can spray perfume on it. 1. I didn't find out about it till 12 hours later But it is still crap. You can even mold it into animals, dry it and sell it for $19.95, but it is still crap. You can even shape it into the thing from thirs encounters of the third kind and have lucas etch his name into it... But it is still crap... If the pop doesnt flush, you still have floating crap, and it may even be holy crap. If Holly takes a crap, it is just crap. 3. unless she couldn't go. So please don't rate this poo. can y'all believe this??????????????????????? Shall we have some oysters? 2. I would have gone, just because it was free until the had a cover charge but I had some rockefeller at H20 tonite mk5000 "he looks awkwardly stiff in the wrists. loosen him up a bit"--peter jackson |
#64
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Mickey's meltdown
wrote: wrote in message ups.com... wrote: "George Middius" wrote in message ... duh-Mikey tries the "debating trade" crapola and falls flat on his pimply face. Someday you'll get it through your head that the reason for not finding any positive ABX results is because so much of the audio gear tested sounds indistinguishable from other gear, so it would be impossible to tell them apart. Are you sure you're not educated, Mickey? Sounds like you have a PhD in philosophy. ;-) I know grade school kids that get the fact that when you do comparisons that come up with no difference scores every time, they understand that it's because there was no difference. It's a shame that there are grown ups (more or less) here that don't get that simple fact. Lord, grant me patience with this inept fraudster....!!!! BBC, B&O and Harman DID NOT USE ABX DID NOT USE ABX DID NOT USE ABX Disagree? Quote one excerpt from each to show that they did. Already did that with the BBC you idiot. Try to keep a civil toungue in your mouth when talking to grown ups Mikey Boy. Ludovic Mirabel Try not to be such a lying sack of ****. _________________________________________________ An exchange of views. I said: Lord, grant me patience with this inept fraudster....!!!! BBC, B&O and Harman DID NOT USE ABX DID NOT USE ABX DID NOT USE ABX Disagree? Quote one excerpt from each to show that they did. NYOB answers: Already did that with the BBC you idiot. Try to keep a civil tongue in your mouth when talking to grown ups Mikey Boy. Ludovic Mirabel And answers again: Try not to be such a lying sack of ****. I notice we're really are losing our cool. No, dear Mad Hatter you never did. You could not because it does not exist. The Brits in the BBC could not care less about this Yankee fantasy. But maybe I missed it. Just requote it here for me and your faithful fans. And try to grow up. This is not your schoolyard. Your oldest Fan Ludovic M. i |
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Mickey's meltdown
wrote in message k.net... "Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... wrote in message k.net... "George Middius" wrote in message ... duh-Mikey tries the "debating trade" crapola and falls flat on his pimply face. Someday you'll get it through your head that the reason for not finding any positive ABX results is because so much of the audio gear tested sounds indistinguishable from other gear, so it would be impossible to tell them apart. Are you sure you're not educated, Mickey? Sounds like you have a PhD in philosophy. ;-) I know grade school kids that get the fact that when you do comparisons that come up with no difference scores every time, they understand that it's because there was no difference. It's a shame that there are grown ups (more or less) here that don't get that simple fact. I though one had to be "at least" fourteen to be invited down into ARny's basement. When did George start using the name Arny? Thanks for proving that mentally, you are not "at least" fourteen. |