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I just uploaded some mp3's of a recording i did last night with my
trio. I would appreciate any constructive criticism. I'm primarily a musician and although I know quite a bit more than most musicians about recording, i'm on the low end of the totem pole! Anyway, I have a good selection of mics these days and a good setup, so here's the deal. Trio (classical guitar, upright bass, drums). yes we all recorded in the same room- I need to direct the band, so now my objective is controlling the bleed to my favor. I have tried blending a pickup sound with the micrphones but i just hate that sound so much i can't use it. so this recording is all mics. re20 on guitar (really gives me a sound i like!). 414 uls hyper on the bass. single josephson c42 on overhead, oktava mc012 with pad and omni on snare. sennheiser something or another on kick. I tried to orient the band so that the drums wouldn't overpower the other instruments in the spot mics. the room is about 25 feet long by 15 wide. I put the drummer in the middle lengthwise, facing the farthest corner. the bass player was against the wall perpendicular to the drummer and I was against the back wall facing the drummer's side/back. So we made a little triangle in half the room and the drummer played to the other half of the room. I put some foam panels around the drumkit to tame some of the cymbal sound in my half of the room. still, most of the drum sound you hear in the recording is coming from my guitar mic, but the oktava on the snare at least gives a little definition. and the kick mic is useful. Very little drum sound in the bass mic. guitar mic into RNP, the rest of the mics into Macki onyx, then all through maudio fw1814 into pro tools. Lexicon hardware reverb on a plate setting with a pretty long predelay. a little compression on everything and just some mild eq. That's about it. What am I doing wrong and what am I doing right? here's the clips: www.natenajar.com/mp3/opato.mp3 www.natenajar.com/mp3/jitterbug.mp3 thanks! Nate |
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Nice playing!
I like the sound you get from everything, but I don't like the reverb... I'd try getting rid of it completely. If you need it, then try a lot less, a shorter reverb time and keep it out of the bass. Not personally keen on the panning - since its a trio, it's kinda hard... I'd try getting the spaciousness from the kit with the bass panned dead centre, the guitar maybe slightly off centre, and the kit panned as a kit appears to you (kick centre, snare slighly one side, hat slightly further to one side, ride further the opposite direction. It sounds off balance the way it is, and the lefty kick and right bass fight each other from time to time. Kinda learning myself... Rich "Nate Najar" wrote in message oups.com... I just uploaded some mp3's of a recording i did last night with my trio. I would appreciate any constructive criticism. I'm primarily a musician and although I know quite a bit more than most musicians about recording, i'm on the low end of the totem pole! Anyway, I have a good selection of mics these days and a good setup, so here's the deal. Trio (classical guitar, upright bass, drums). yes we all recorded in the same room- I need to direct the band, so now my objective is controlling the bleed to my favor. I have tried blending a pickup sound with the micrphones but i just hate that sound so much i can't use it. so this recording is all mics. re20 on guitar (really gives me a sound i like!). 414 uls hyper on the bass. single josephson c42 on overhead, oktava mc012 with pad and omni on snare. sennheiser something or another on kick. I tried to orient the band so that the drums wouldn't overpower the other instruments in the spot mics. the room is about 25 feet long by 15 wide. I put the drummer in the middle lengthwise, facing the farthest corner. the bass player was against the wall perpendicular to the drummer and I was against the back wall facing the drummer's side/back. So we made a little triangle in half the room and the drummer played to the other half of the room. I put some foam panels around the drumkit to tame some of the cymbal sound in my half of the room. still, most of the drum sound you hear in the recording is coming from my guitar mic, but the oktava on the snare at least gives a little definition. and the kick mic is useful. Very little drum sound in the bass mic. guitar mic into RNP, the rest of the mics into Macki onyx, then all through maudio fw1814 into pro tools. Lexicon hardware reverb on a plate setting with a pretty long predelay. a little compression on everything and just some mild eq. That's about it. What am I doing wrong and what am I doing right? here's the clips: www.natenajar.com/mp3/opato.mp3 www.natenajar.com/mp3/jitterbug.mp3 thanks! Nate |
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thanks! There is no reverb on the bass- or drums (but you hear a lot
of room with drums). I'm trying to use the reverb on the guitar to hide the early reflections. As for the panning, my ideal panning is guitar center and bass and drums opposite each other on left and right. The problem here is that the drums get so much into the guitar mic that I really get drums center too. Nate |
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I had another listen... yeah, okay, I was wrong about the reverb on the
bass... but there's something on it. It's not clean. Maybe the bass is leaking into other mics. Incidentally, I put opato into Sound Forge to relisten... I noticed that the levels were really low. It was normalized, but there were only a couple of peaks losing you a good 6dB or more. I know its not what you'd call a "heavy track", but I struggled with the volume. I tried using Wave Hammer on it - a volume maximizer. Set with a threshold of -7dB, I was able to boost the overall level significantly without any noticeable artifacts of compression. Jitterbug didn't need as much of a boost, but could use less of the same... Sounds even better on second listen by the way. Really like the composition and the playing is exceptional. R. "Nate Najar" wrote in message oups.com... thanks! There is no reverb on the bass- or drums (but you hear a lot of room with drums). I'm trying to use the reverb on the guitar to hide the early reflections. As for the panning, my ideal panning is guitar center and bass and drums opposite each other on left and right. The problem here is that the drums get so much into the guitar mic that I really get drums center too. Nate |
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Nate Najar wrote:
snip Well Nate, after listening to your tunes a couple of times, the first thing that stands out is the musicianship. I think everyone here will agree that the key to getting a good recording is starting with good musicians and tone, and you've definately got that. So A+++! Anyhow, as far as the technical aspects. I think you're pretty close. Play with the EQ a little more, go easy on the panning and consider using some drum OH's to pick up a good stereo field of the entire room, so you don't have to fake one by hard-panning and reverbing close miced instruments. I'd use your MK012's for this. If phase becomes a problem, try moving the mics or the instruments around. I think you're in a balancing act between an overproduced iso-booth sound and a natural, room ambience jazz sound. If you can make the two play together a little better I think you'll be there. I'm not sure what type of room you're recording in or what type of sound you're going for, but if it's a good sounding room, you might consider letting some of the natural reverb through to bring everything together and make it sound more cohesive and natural. Anyhow, just my 2 pennies. Jonny Durango |
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Wow Nate, great job. Stan Getz fan? Your guitar sounds exactly like his
stuff. I think playing with the EQ on the bass sound is in order (maybe attenuate the low). It seems inconsistent--I only listened to the first one btw. I love it though, you're doing lots more good than bad! |
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thanks- yeah it seems the bass is a little boomy so i'll try to tighten
that up. I'll see what I can do about the brushes on the drums too! The problem is the majority of the drums you hear are coming from the guitar mic! Nate |
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Thanks for sharing with us Nate. I enjoyed listening very much
It sounds like you just need to get further away from the drums with your guitar mic and take advantage of the unidirectional capability of your mike ie.. make sure it is pointing away from the drums, but I'm sure you know that already Despite the technical troubles, as a listener the recordings are great. Nice work! -- Jafar Calley Producer - http://moonlife-records.com -------------------------------------- See the latest Mars and Saturn images http://fatcat.homelinux.org |
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