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Livewire EXM25 Cables - No Strain Relief
I just came home with 2 XLR microphone cables that I will use as speaker
cables between a mixer and powered speakers. After opening the package I see there is no strain relief between the heat shrink and the Neutrik connectors. Although these are guaranteed for life the lack of a visible strain relief is not giving me a warm fuzzy feeling. Anyone familiar with these? Somehow this looks very odd to me. Thanks in advance. Danielle |
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Livewire EXM25 Cables - No Strain Relief
They do look like this picture.
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/docum...1095&ind ex=0 Danielle "Danielle E" wrote in message ... I just came home with 2 XLR microphone cables that I will use as speaker cables between a mixer and powered speakers. After opening the package I see there is no strain relief between the heat shrink and the Neutrik connectors. Although these are guaranteed for life the lack of a visible strain relief is not giving me a warm fuzzy feeling. Anyone familiar with these? Somehow this looks very odd to me. Thanks in advance. Danielle |
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Livewire EXM25 Cables - No Strain Relief
On 31/08/08 21:59, in article ,
"Danielle E" wrote: I just came home with 2 XLR microphone cables that I will use as speaker cables between a mixer and powered speakers. After opening the package I see there is no strain relief between the heat shrink and the Neutrik connectors. Although these are guaranteed for life the lack of a visible strain relief is not giving me a warm fuzzy feeling. Anyone familiar with these? Somehow this looks very odd to me. Not sure what you actually see, but Neutrik XLR connectors have their strain relief _inside_ the connector. It's a plastic part (called "chuck") that tightens down onto the cable as you screw on the rear part of the connector (called "bushing"). www.neutrik.com has tons of info. You mention heat shrink... Is there heat shrink on your cables outside of the connectors? Don't know why that would be necessary. -- Joe Kotroczo |
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Joe Kotroczo wrote:
You mention heat shrink... Is there heat shrink on your cables outside of the connectors? Don't know why that would be necessary. It's necessary because it has the cable manufacturer's name on it. Also you can write on it so you know which channel is which. But it is not intended for actual protection, no. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Livewire EXM25 Cables - No Strain Relief
This photo shows a little ribbed piece that appears to provide strain relief
that I don't see on the livewire EXM25 cable. http://www.music123.com/item/expande.../247027jpg.jpg Danielle "Joe Kotroczo" wrote in message ... On 31/08/08 21:59, in article , "Danielle E" wrote: I just came home with 2 XLR microphone cables that I will use as speaker cables between a mixer and powered speakers. After opening the package I see there is no strain relief between the heat shrink and the Neutrik connectors. Although these are guaranteed for life the lack of a visible strain relief is not giving me a warm fuzzy feeling. Anyone familiar with these? Somehow this looks very odd to me. Not sure what you actually see, but Neutrik XLR connectors have their strain relief _inside_ the connector. It's a plastic part (called "chuck") that tightens down onto the cable as you screw on the rear part of the connector (called "bushing"). www.neutrik.com has tons of info. You mention heat shrink... Is there heat shrink on your cables outside of the connectors? Don't know why that would be necessary. -- Joe Kotroczo |
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Livewire EXM25 Cables - No Strain Relief
"Danielle E" wrote in message ... This photo shows a little ribbed piece that appears to provide strain relief that I don't see on the livewire EXM25 cable. http://www.music123.com/item/expande.../247027jpg.jpg Danielle Remove a rear connector on your EXM cables and as Joe said earlier, you *should* see the relief chuck underneath. There may not be one, but I suspect the LiveWire has something. For a permanent installation such as you describe, there's really no need for anything much more than good solder joints and cable placement. DM -- David Morgan (MAMS) Morgan Audio Media Service http://www.m-a-m-s DOT com Dallas, Texas (214) 662-9901 _____________________________ http://www.januarysound.com |
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Livewire EXM25 Cables - No Strain Relief
I actually intend to use these for live use between my Soundcraft EFX8 mixer and my JBL EON G2 speakers. I did pull the black housing back and saw the relief chuck underneath that you describe. For some reason the Mogami gold mike cables I use with my microphones just seem to look better. But they were twice the price. Thanks Danielle "David Morgan (MAMS)" /Odm wrote in message news:GtEuk.171$1a2.80@trnddc04... "Danielle E" wrote in message ... This photo shows a little ribbed piece that appears to provide strain relief that I don't see on the livewire EXM25 cable. http://www.music123.com/item/expande.../247027jpg.jpg Danielle Remove a rear connector on your EXM cables and as Joe said earlier, you *should* see the relief chuck underneath. There may not be one, but I suspect the LiveWire has something. For a permanent installation such as you describe, there's really no need for anything much more than good solder joints and cable placement. DM -- David Morgan (MAMS) Morgan Audio Media Service http://www.m-a-m-s DOT com Dallas, Texas (214) 662-9901 _____________________________ http://www.januarysound.com |
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Danielle E wrote:
I did pull the black housing back and saw the relief chuck underneath that you describe. For some reason the Mogami gold mike cables I use with my microphones just seem to look better. But they were twice the price. What brand connectors did they use? Just about everybody today uses either Neutrik or Switchcraft. Folks will argue about which is better but they are both more or less about as rugged in the long run. Sometimes you'll find people using Amphenol connectors, made in Australia at the old Cannon plant that was briefly owned by Alcatel. They are nice too. There are crappy Asian connectors out there, most of them knockoffs of the Switchcraft design although some of them are knockoffs of the (now long discontinued) Cannon design with two screws holding the cable clamped. In general they are all to be avoided. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Livewire EXM25 Cables - No Strain Relief
Scott Both cables use Neutrik connectors. Here's links to photos that show each one. Mogami http://www.music123.com/item/expande.../247027jpg.jpg Livewire http://www.musiciansfriend.com/docum...1095&ind ex=0 Danielle "Scott Dorsey" wrote in message ... Danielle E wrote: I did pull the black housing back and saw the relief chuck underneath that you describe. For some reason the Mogami gold mike cables I use with my microphones just seem to look better. But they were twice the price. What brand connectors did they use? Just about everybody today uses either Neutrik or Switchcraft. Folks will argue about which is better but they are both more or less about as rugged in the long run. Sometimes you'll find people using Amphenol connectors, made in Australia at the old Cannon plant that was briefly owned by Alcatel. They are nice too. There are crappy Asian connectors out there, most of them knockoffs of the Switchcraft design although some of them are knockoffs of the (now long discontinued) Cannon design with two screws holding the cable clamped. In general they are all to be avoided. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Livewire EXM25 Cables - No Strain Relief
Danielle E wrote:
Both cables use Neutrik connectors. Here's links to photos that show each one. Mogami http://www.music123.com/item/expande.../247027jpg.jpg Livewire http://www.musiciansfriend.com/docum...1095&ind ex=0 Sorry, I have no web access. If they are the same series of connector, what's the difference? --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Livewire EXM25 Cables - No Strain Relief
The part on the Mongomi cable that covers the cable has a rubber (or similar material) end that flexes. It narrows to the cable diameter (almost) where the cable comes out of the assembly. There's actually two sleeve like parts covering the cable end. A hard plastic near the connector and then the softer rubber ribbed piece. The sleeve piece (one piece) one on the Livewire is a hardplastic. There's a large gap around the cable where the cable exits the connector assembly. It does not support the cable where it exits the complete connector assembly. Danielle "Scott Dorsey" wrote in message ... Danielle E wrote: Both cables use Neutrik connectors. Here's links to photos that show each one. Mogami http://www.music123.com/item/expande.../247027jpg.jpg Livewire http://www.musiciansfriend.com/docum...1095&ind ex=0 Sorry, I have no web access. If they are the same series of connector, what's the difference? --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Livewire EXM25 Cables - No Strain Relief
Danielle E wrote:
The part on the Mongomi cable that covers the cable has a rubber (or similar material) end that flexes. It narrows to the cable diameter (almost) where the cable comes out of the assembly. There's actually two sleeve like parts covering the cable end. A hard plastic near the connector and then the softer rubber ribbed piece. That's part of the connector. The sleeve piece (one piece) one on the Livewire is a hardplastic. There's a large gap around the cable where the cable exits the connector assembly. It does not support the cable where it exits the complete connector assembly. That's also part of the connector. Look on the Neutrik website and you should see the two different connectors listed there. Both are pretty good. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Livewire EXM25 Cables - No Strain Relief
Danielle E wrote:
This photo shows a little ribbed piece that appears to provide strain relief that I don't see on the livewire EXM25 cable. Unscrew the back shell (you may need two pairs of pliers for this) and take the connector apart. You should see the strain relief. Alternately, try yanking the cable out of the connector as hard as you think it might ever experience. Put your foot on the connector and pull on the wire. If it pulls out, return it for replacement under the "guarantee for life." If you can pull it apart very easily, return them and buy a different brand. I think you'll find the cables to be satisfactory unless you plan to tow a trailer with them. -- If you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo -- I'm really Mike Rivers ) |
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Danielle E wrote:
The part on the Mongomi cable that covers the cable has a rubber (or similar material) end that flexes. It narrows to the cable diameter (almost) where the cable comes out of the assembly. The sleeve piece (one piece) one on the Livewire is a hardplastic. Neutrik has so many variations (seems like they come out with one and drop another every few months) that it's hard to buy assembled cables from different manufacturers or the same manufacturer at different times and expect to see the same construction. I think Livewire is one of Guitar Center's house brands (at least that's the only place I've seen them) so they're probably cheap, high profit cables, but serviceable and will last with reasonable use and abuse. -- If you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo -- I'm really Mike Rivers ) |
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Livewire EXM25 Cables - No Strain Relief
On Sep 1, 5:59*am, "Danielle E" wrote:
I just came home with 2 XLR microphone cables that I will use as speaker cables between a mixer and powered speakers. I am not sure of your situation but I like the right-angle designed connectors. Neutrik has has an RX series of these with 'improved chuck-type' strain relief 'as part of their specifications. A 90 degree design allows the cable to hang down neatly rather than 'droop' ,seems to get it out of the way of tripping accidents and most importantly the 90 deg.design gives it a solid 'handle' to withdraw and insert. Funny,the web-site says 'lifetime- 1000 mating cycles'. On a thread years ago I was discussing this in connection with our Church practice to regularly connect/disconnect(mating cycle sounds better!) choir and table mics. 20 yrs is over the 1000 cycles! Keith |
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