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I just seen the 2003 Directed amplifiers at their website. I hate to say it,
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Maybe like old Alpines. They look nothing like the current Alpines. Not
that there's anything wrong with that. A bunch of amps looked just like that in the early and mid 90's. Paul Vina "Captain Howdy" wrote in message ... I just seen the 2003 Directed amplifiers at their website. I hate to say it, but they look like Alpine V12 knock-offs. |
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(scratching my head as I look at the calendar showing it's damn near 2004)
thanks for stopping by... JD better late than never, I suppose Captain Howdy wrote: I just seen the 2003 Directed amplifiers at their website. I hate to say it, but they look like Alpine V12 knock-offs. |
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could have something to do with us having spent more on the insides than
the outsides, too... JD or not Paul Vina wrote: Maybe like old Alpines. They look nothing like the current Alpines. Not that there's anything wrong with that. A bunch of amps looked just like that in the early and mid 90's. Paul Vina "Captain Howdy" wrote in message ... I just seen the 2003 Directed amplifiers at their website. I hate to say it, but they look like Alpine V12 knock-offs. |
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(scratching my nutts as I look at the Directed website seeing the 2003 models and thinking, What's JD trying to say?) In article , John Durbin wrote: (scratching my head as I look at the calendar showing it's damn near 2004) thanks for stopping by... JD better late than never, I suppose Captain Howdy wrote: I just seen the 2003 Directed amplifiers at their website. I hate to say it, but they look like Alpine V12 knock-offs. |
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I can see spending more time in the insides the outsides, fitting an Orion or
PPI mainboard into an Alpine case is not an easy task. In article , John Durbin wrote: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090001030608000608000608 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit could have something to do with us having spent more on the insides than the outsides, too... JD or not Paul Vina wrote: |
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You're right. I dont see nothing wrong with a little bit of the retro look.You thought that I would point that out. Just like back in the day When PPI repainted Orion GX amplifiers and sold them as the PPI art searies, such as the PPi-2150M In article dcdzb.287021$ao4.1001827@attbi_s51, "Paul Vina" wrote: Maybe like old Alpines. They look nothing like the current Alpines. Not that there's anything wrong with that. A bunch of amps looked just like that in the early and mid 90's. Paul Vina "Captain Howdy" wrote in message ... I just seen the 2003 Directed amplifiers at their website. I hate to say it, but they look like Alpine V12 knock-offs. |
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Are you on crack? PPI and Orion were two separate companies until ADST
bought them both. Even then the designs were still separate. Paul Vina "Captain Howdy" wrote in message ... You're right. I dont see nothing wrong with a little bit of the retro look.You thought that I would point that out. Just like back in the day When PPI repainted Orion GX amplifiers and sold them as the PPI art searies, such as the PPi-2150M In article dcdzb.287021$ao4.1001827@attbi_s51, "Paul Vina" wrote: Maybe like old Alpines. They look nothing like the current Alpines. Not that there's anything wrong with that. A bunch of amps looked just like that in the early and mid 90's. Paul Vina "Captain Howdy" wrote in message ... I just seen the 2003 Directed amplifiers at their website. I hate to say it, but they look like Alpine V12 knock-offs. |
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That you didn't notice they looked like Alpines (or chose not to bitch about
it, anyway) until 2 months before CES when they're likely to be replaced. Paul Vina "Captain Howdy" wrote in message ... (scratching my nutts as I look at the Directed website seeing the 2003 models and thinking, What's JD trying to say?) In article , John Durbin wrote: (scratching my head as I look at the calendar showing it's damn near 2004) thanks for stopping by... JD better late than never, I suppose Captain Howdy wrote: I just seen the 2003 Directed amplifiers at their website. I hate to say it, but they look like Alpine V12 knock-offs. |
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In article eZnzb.411468$Fm2.417582@attbi_s04, "Paul Vina"
wrote: I'm I on crack?, no. Very good and thank for the history lession. Take a good look, and I mean I good look at the PPi-2150M and Orion GX line of amplifiers. The heatsinks are the same, the end plates and even the screws are the same, further more the The RCA connectors are the same. Hey is that a DIN plug on the side of the PPi-2150M for a bridging module, you know like the one on the Orion Gx line? Are you on crack? PPI and Orion were two separate companies until ADST bought them both. Even then the designs were still separate. Paul Vina "Captain Howdy" wrote in message ... You're right. I dont see nothing wrong with a little bit of the retro look.You thought that I would point that out. Just like back in the day When PPI repainted Orion GX amplifiers and sold them as the PPI art searies, such as the PPi-2150M In article dcdzb.287021$ao4.1001827@attbi_s51, "Paul Vina" wrote: Maybe like old Alpines. They look nothing like the current Alpines. Not that there's anything wrong with that. A bunch of amps looked just like that in the early and mid 90's. Paul Vina "Captain Howdy" wrote in message ... I just seen the 2003 Directed amplifiers at their website. I hate to say it, but they look like Alpine V12 knock-offs. |
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What are you smoking? If I didn't notice that they looked like Alpines, I
wouldn't of posted the fact. LOL Until the 2004 line is available to the public, the 2003 line is still current, so what is your point? In article c_nzb.411477$Fm2.417805@attbi_s04, "Paul Vina" wrote: That you didn't notice they looked like Alpines (or chose not to bitch about it, anyway) until 2 months before CES when they're likely to be replaced. Paul Vina |
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ha ha ha
Like I have been telling you fools for years, they are all made in the same garage in Tiawan! ha ha ha Captain Howdy wrote: If I didn't notice that they looked like Alpines, I wouldn't of posted the fact. LOL |
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SO? Lots of companies get parts from the same vendors. And how do you know
it was PPI that stole anyone's design (assuming there was any copying in the first place)? Paul Vina "Captain Howdy" wrote in message ... In article eZnzb.411468$Fm2.417582@attbi_s04, "Paul Vina" wrote: I'm I on crack?, no. Very good and thank for the history lession. Take a good look, and I mean I good look at the PPi-2150M and Orion GX line of amplifiers. The heatsinks are the same, the end plates and even the screws are the same, further more the The RCA connectors are the same. Hey is that a DIN plug on the side of the PPi-2150M for a bridging module, you know like the one on the Orion Gx line? Are you on crack? PPI and Orion were two separate companies until ADST bought them both. Even then the designs were still separate. Paul Vina "Captain Howdy" wrote in message ... You're right. I dont see nothing wrong with a little bit of the retro look.You thought that I would point that out. Just like back in the day When PPI repainted Orion GX amplifiers and sold them as the PPI art searies, such as the PPi-2150M In article dcdzb.287021$ao4.1001827@attbi_s51, "Paul Vina" wrote: Maybe like old Alpines. They look nothing like the current Alpines. Not that there's anything wrong with that. A bunch of amps looked just like that in the early and mid 90's. Paul Vina "Captain Howdy" wrote in message ... I just seen the 2003 Directed amplifiers at their website. I hate to say it, but they look like Alpine V12 knock-offs. |
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JD was saying that it took you almost a year to realize that they look like
an Alpine. He never debated them being current. Only that your powers of observation ar a little.......lacking. Paul Vina "Captain Howdy" wrote in message ... What are you smoking? If I didn't notice that they looked like Alpines, I wouldn't of posted the fact. LOL Until the 2004 line is available to the public, the 2003 line is still current, so what is your point? In article c_nzb.411477$Fm2.417805@attbi_s04, "Paul Vina" wrote: That you didn't notice they looked like Alpines (or chose not to bitch about it, anyway) until 2 months before CES when they're likely to be replaced. Paul Vina |
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Paul, to tell you the truth. I didn't know that Directed even made car audio. I only went to their website to checkout their alarm gear. I live by Toronto, Ontario and no one sells their stuff around here, other then their alarms. In article Ydyzb.409825$HS4.3314528@attbi_s01, "Paul Vina" wrote: JD was saying that it took you almost a year to realize that they look like an Alpine. He never debated them being current. Only that your powers of observation ar a little.......lacking. Paul Vina |
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Back in those days, Orion ampifier heatsinks were hand crafted, in their Tempe
AZ factory. The Orion GX line was out way before the PPI Art Series line. The PPI Art Series line came out around the same time as the Orion SX line of amplifiers. I'm not saying that PPI stole anything. What I am saying is that they bough the GX line from Orion and repained them and sold them as their early Art Series line. A short time after the Art Series came out PPI changed the case to a finless rounded end heatsink like the one found on the A100 and A200 amplifier. The next time that you come across a PPI 2075AM, 4200AM or 2150M, take a close look and you'll see what I mean. Here is another inferesting fact that many people are unaware of, PPI used to sell gear under the Phaze Audio name. In article xcyzb.416545$Fm2.424716@attbi_s04, "Paul Vina" wrote: SO? Lots of companies get parts from the same vendors. And how do you know it was PPI that stole anyone's design (assuming there was any copying in the first place)? Paul Vina |
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And Linear Power had amps that looked like that too. Big deal. I also
doubt Orio was making their own heatsinks. Almost everyone, even today, buys them from a 3rd party. Paul Vina "Captain Howdy" wrote in message ... Back in those days, Orion ampifier heatsinks were hand crafted, in their Tempe AZ factory. The Orion GX line was out way before the PPI Art Series line. The PPI Art Series line came out around the same time as the Orion SX line of amplifiers. I'm not saying that PPI stole anything. What I am saying is that they bough the GX line from Orion and repained them and sold them as their early Art Series line. A short time after the Art Series came out PPI changed the case to a finless rounded end heatsink like the one found on the A100 and A200 amplifier. The next time that you come across a PPI 2075AM, 4200AM or 2150M, take a close look and you'll see what I mean. Here is another inferesting fact that many people are unaware of, PPI used to sell gear under the Phaze Audio name. In article xcyzb.416545$Fm2.424716@attbi_s04, "Paul Vina" wrote: SO? Lots of companies get parts from the same vendors. And how do you know it was PPI that stole anyone's design (assuming there was any copying in the first place)? Paul Vina |
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Linar Power, (also known as Eye Candy amps) amps looked nothing like it Orion,
they had full rap around fins on their heats sinks with stainless steel end plates. They also had/ have their heatsinks drilled out on the inside to fit the metal bi-polor trasistors that they use. Doubt it or not, The fact is that Orion had their own tool shop and their hand crafted heatsinks made right in their Tempe AZ plant. Just in case you didn't know the heatsinks came in four colors. Black, SX, Red HCCA and custom chrome or gold plated with the option of having your name engraved. n article EWGzb.424418$Fm2.427533@attbi_s04, "Paul Vina" wrote: And Linear Power had amps that looked like that too. Big deal. I also doubt Orio was making their own heatsinks. Almost everyone, even today, buys them from a 3rd party. Paul Vina |
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Yes I know, I sold them for 4 years.
Paul Vina "Captain Howdy" wrote in message ... Linar Power, (also known as Eye Candy amps) amps looked nothing like it Orion, they had full rap around fins on their heats sinks with stainless steel end plates. They also had/ have their heatsinks drilled out on the inside to fit the metal bi-polor trasistors that they use. Doubt it or not, The fact is that Orion had their own tool shop and their hand crafted heatsinks made right in their Tempe AZ plant. Just in case you didn't know the heatsinks came in four colors. Black, SX, Red HCCA and custom chrome or gold plated with the option of having your name engraved. n article EWGzb.424418$Fm2.427533@attbi_s04, "Paul Vina" wrote: And Linear Power had amps that looked like that too. Big deal. I also doubt Orio was making their own heatsinks. Almost everyone, even today, buys them from a 3rd party. Paul Vina |
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"Captain Howdy" wrote in message I'm I on crack?, no. HA... fuggin classic... |
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I'm in Hamilton and no one around here sell their amplifiers. There two
dealers that sell some of their lower end alarms. Their alarms aren't that great of a value anyways. 5 years ago I bought their Viper 300+ alarm for $345 with tax. A year before that, I bought an Audiovox alarm for the wife's car for $115 with tax, with the same options all the way to the same sounding horn. The remotes even have the same range. Both alarms are on their second car now, both still work fine, other then the viper has started locking up for some reason about 8 months ago, this only happened 3 times so far. When this happens the parking lights will flash once or twice to show system arm or disarm without a beep and when the alarm is triggered the horn does not work. Unplugging the alarm fuse gets it working again. With this problem aside. The only difference is that the Viper this far cost me $69 a year to own. The Audiovox alarm being a year older cost me $19.16 to own this far. If I have bought 3 Audiovox alarms the price of owning them would have been the same as the viper, yet two of those alarms would still be unused. Most people don't see this since the average person owns their car for 2-5 years and most often sells their alarm with the car. Those that do remove their alarms or try to have their alarms removed quickly learn the fact that most install shops will not reinstall used alarms. It truely is a shame that they are not that well represented....I've seen them around here though (I'm in Toronto). Definitely don't get everything available from them though. Too bad.....The distributor Directed Canada and Automobility in Montreal haven't penetrated the Toronto market...... |
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In late 1997 or early 1998 - Ted Guenther and his sister, who owned PPI sold
the company to Phase Audio. PPI came under the direction of Phase Audio and was shortly broke. From there it was sold to Orion/Ads and then on to Directed Electronics. In its original state - PPI had good products and an excellent reputation. Directed is huge and has the ability to revive PPI given time. Alma Gates www.teamgates.org |
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Wow,
Alma I haven't seen you post in forever! How are you doing? Paul Vina "AZSPL" wrote in message ... In late 1997 or early 1998 - Ted Guenther and his sister, who owned PPI sold the company to Phase Audio. PPI came under the direction of Phase Audio and was shortly broke. From there it was sold to Orion/Ads and then on to Directed Electronics. In its original state - PPI had good products and an excellent reputation. Directed is huge and has the ability to revive PPI given time. Alma Gates www.teamgates.org |
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iirc
'phaze' audio made and/or marketed tube amps (somehow affiliated with butler) and metal coned speakers before and after the ppi acquisition... i found a page to confirm while i was composing this: http://www.butleraudio.com/bk.html i believe they are what captain howdy referred to when he said, "Here is another inferesting fact that many people are unaware of, PPI used to sell gear under the Phaze Audio name." -- sancho inferesting indeed "AZSPL" wrote in message ... In late 1997 or early 1998 - Ted Guenther and his sister, who owned PPI sold the company to Phase Audio. PPI came under the direction of Phase Audio and was shortly broke. From there it was sold to Orion/Ads and then on to Directed Electronics. In its original state - PPI had good products and an excellent reputation. Directed is huge and has the ability to revive PPI given time. Alma Gates www.teamgates.org |
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Hello Paul,
I read R.A.C.all the time - just seldom post unless something catches my eye as in PPI. PPI will always have a very special place in my life and I just want things straight..It was a great company that was destroyed by outsiders. Things happen that you cannot control and this was one of them. I have been with DEI (Python) for a few years now and was pleased that they were able to purchase PPI. Only time will tell what happens. |
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I guess the point would be, thanks for stopping by finally, i.e. we put
that stuff up during CES in Jan 2003, and you just now got a look. JD making a mental note to shill more on RAC in the off-season Captain Howdy wrote: (scratching my nutts as I look at the Directed website seeing the 2003 models and thinking, What's JD trying to say?) In article , John Durbin wrote: (scratching my head as I look at the calendar showing it's damn near 2004) thanks for stopping by... JD better late than never, I suppose Captain Howdy wrote: I just seen the 2003 Directed amplifiers at their website. I hate to say it, but they look like Alpine V12 knock-offs. |
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What the hell would we want to do that for? Product cloning is for
pussies, and we were shipping the Directed amps before we even bought ADST. At least, the PCB designs - the mechanical design changed in 2002 at CES which was a month and half after the acquisition. But I'm not offended, it's a very common misconception. I am however thinking you haven't ever looked very close at any PCB's for the three brands in question. Actually, if you want to know the real story, we paid a top industrial designer for both the Directed and the Viper amps mechanicals that year... but Viper was having its big launch so we intentionally dialed back the Directed to a more conservative look so Viper would be the attention-getter. JD Captain Howdy wrote: I can see spending more time in the insides the outsides, fitting an Orion or PPI mainboard into an Alpine case is not an easy task. In article , John Durbin wrote: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090001030608000608000608 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit could have something to do with us having spent more on the insides than the outsides, too... JD or not Paul Vina wrote: |
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dude, where do you get this stuff?!! Anyone who has ever had their hands
on them knows that Art Series had absolutely nothing in common with Orion. The two were different companies up until the very late 90's. Also, the 2150M isn't an Art model. Orion never made an amp with no fins, ever. JD I'm not the 100% expert on that period of the two company's histories mind you but everything you've written so far that has "Orion" or "PPI" in it has been totally boofoo Captain Howdy wrote: You're right. I dont see nothing wrong with a little bit of the retro look.You thought that I would point that out. Just like back in the day When PPI repainted Orion GX amplifiers and sold them as the PPI art searies, such as the PPi-2150M In article dcdzb.287021$ao4.1001827@attbi_s51, "Paul Vina" wrote: Maybe like old Alpines. They look nothing like the current Alpines. Not that there's anything wrong with that. A bunch of amps looked just like that in the early and mid 90's. Paul Vina "Captain Howdy" wrote in message .. . I just seen the 2003 Directed amplifiers at their website. I hate to say it, but they look like Alpine V12 knock-offs. |
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When we came along, there were essentially three companies living
together under one roof. They did share a few things here and there, like Orion speaker systems that used a/d/s/ driver parts, and once upon a time an a/d/s/ powered sub that used an Orion woofer, but for the most part the brands did not mix at all. Not a bad thing in many ways, but far from efficient. JD Paul Vina wrote: Are you on crack? PPI and Orion were two separate companies until ADST bought them both. Even then the designs were still separate. Paul Vina "Captain Howdy" wrote in message ... You're right. I dont see nothing wrong with a little bit of the retro look.You thought that I would point that out. Just like back in the day When PPI repainted Orion GX amplifiers and sold them as the PPI art searies, such as the PPi-2150M In article dcdzb.287021$ao4.1001827@attbi_s51, "Paul Vina" wrote: Maybe like old Alpines. They look nothing like the current Alpines. Not that there's anything wrong with that. A bunch of amps looked just like that in the early and mid 90's. Paul Vina "Captain Howdy" wrote in message . .. I just seen the 2003 Directed amplifiers at their website. I hate to say it, but they look like Alpine V12 knock-offs. |
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The GX heat sink was not the same as the PPI model you're talking about.
It was wider, and flatter. They did at some point make Orion amps that were taller, not as wide, and longer - The Beast for example - but still not the same metal. Again, at the time you're talking, these were two separate companies. PPI did do some contract manufacturing for a couple of companies - Crutchfield and Phillips USA as I recall - but they never built for Orion. In fact, if you know any of the people from either organization, I think they'd have died before they shared any designs or parts. As to the RCA's and the socket-head Allen bolts, give me a break already... if the most you can say to prove your point is that they bought from the same parts supplier. or picked the same connector out of a catalog, you're grasping at straws. I can buy the same bolts today - in fact, I have a few boxes sitting in my garage - from local bolt suppliers like Ababa. They were used by virtually everybody that was bolting products like this together in the US back then. My old Zapco's use them and so did Audiomobile. As to the DIN plug, the commonality is that both companies have a common ancestry dating back to Jim Fosgate, and some people that learned a lot about amps from him in the early days of the Phoenix car audio explosion. He had phantom power DIN cable designs to drive outboard processors as early as 1977 - I had two of them in my VW Rabbit at the time. So yes, both companies used phantom power for their processors for several years. Big whoop... JD Captain Howdy wrote: In article eZnzb.411468$Fm2.417582@attbi_s04, "Paul Vina" wrote: I'm I on crack?, no. Very good and thank for the history lession. Take a good look, and I mean I good look at the PPi-2150M and Orion GX line of amplifiers. The heatsinks are the same, the end plates and even the screws are the same, further more the The RCA connectors are the same. Hey is that a DIN plug on the side of the PPi-2150M for a bridging module, you know like the one on the Orion Gx line? Are you on crack? PPI and Orion were two separate companies until ADST bought them both. Even then the designs were still separate. Paul Vina "Captain Howdy" wrote in message .. . You're right. I dont see nothing wrong with a little bit of the retro look.You thought that I would point that out. Just like back in the day When PPI repainted Orion GX amplifiers and sold them as the PPI art searies, such as the PPi-2150M In article dcdzb.287021$ao4.1001827@attbi_s51, "Paul Vina" wrote: Maybe like old Alpines. They look nothing like the current Alpines. Not that there's anything wrong with that. A bunch of amps looked just like that in the early and mid 90's. Paul Vina "Captain Howdy" wrote in message .. . I just seen the 2003 Directed amplifiers at their website. I hate to say it, but they look like Alpine V12 knock-offs. |
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that was my first assessment ... based on the content of some other
posts, I'm thinking of shifting it lower :-) JD Paul Vina wrote: JD was saying that it took you almost a year to realize that they look like an Alpine. He never debated them being current. Only that your powers of observation ar a little.......lacking. Paul Vina "Captain Howdy" wrote in message .. . What are you smoking? If I didn't notice that they looked like Alpines, I wouldn't of posted the fact. LOL Until the 2004 line is available to the public, the 2003 line is still current, so what is your point? In article c_nzb.411477$Fm2.417805@attbi_s04, "Paul Vina" wrote: That you didn't notice they looked like Alpines (or chose not to bitch about it, anyway) until 2 months before CES when they're likely to be replaced. Paul Vina |
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No they weren't ... they have been buying heat sinks from outside
suppliers for many years. Many of them that would love to collect what they were owed on the several occasions one company or the other in Phoenix stiffed them. Do you even remember wht Art series looked like? It has no fins, a triangular shape at one edge and a circular roll at the opposite edge. The top cover was white painted steel with pretty pictures painted on it. I defy you to find me an Orion that has EVER looked like that. The original GX amps had the same heat sink as the original HCCA, predated them actually ... I know, I became an authorized dealer for the brand in 1987. The GX were black with silver machined accent strips, and the HCCA were a dark red with the same machined strips. They both used phantom power DIN inputs, although RCA's were provided for use when you weren't driving them with an Orion processor. There is a later GX mechanical design, before it became the SX series and later Extreme stuff. At the timethe GX came out, PPI was making such models as the 4030, 2075, that kind of stuff. They migrated to the longer, skinny models not long afterwards - like the big surfboard stuff - 2200, 2350, those kind of critters. When the Art series came out, it changed the mechanical look 100% and was very different than anything anyone else in the US was making or would make, before being replaced itself by the first-gen PowerClass models in 1987. You are simly wrong in what you're saying - and I will be glad to have one of the two surviving vice presidents of Orion and Precision Power, or their amplifier parts procurement manager, all of whom I work with daily, confirm that you're wrong. Or, you could just let it go. JD Captain Howdy wrote: Back in those days, Orion ampifier heatsinks were hand crafted, in their Tempe AZ factory. The Orion GX line was out way before the PPI Art Series line. The PPI Art Series line came out around the same time as the Orion SX line of amplifiers. I'm not saying that PPI stole anything. What I am saying is that they bough the GX line from Orion and repained them and sold them as their early Art Series line. A short time after the Art Series came out PPI changed the case to a finless rounded end heatsink like the one found on the A100 and A200 amplifier. The next time that you come across a PPI 2075AM, 4200AM or 2150M, take a close look and you'll see what I mean. Here is another inferesting fact that many people are unaware of, PPI used to sell gear under the Phaze Audio name. In article xcyzb.416545$Fm2.424716@attbi_s04, "Paul Vina" wrote: SO? Lots of companies get parts from the same vendors. And how do you know it was PPI that stole anyone's design (assuming there was any copying in the first place)? Paul Vina |
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You're talking about the secondary machining required for assembly...
the heat sinks were from an outside supplier, they brought them in bulk and cut them there. many amp mfr's did this in house, some still do. I remember touring the Zapco facility in Modesto back in the 80's after they had just acquired a big machine for milling and tapping holes, etc. - they had been doing it by hand with a drill press before that! Still has nothing to do with PPI ... if it would help, I could call a buddy that worked in the metal shop and drove a forklift around the place before he moved into the front office, and ask him what flavor of crack you might be on... or, maybe a couple of the speaker designers that worked there as well. JD Captain Howdy wrote: Linar Power, (also known as Eye Candy amps) amps looked nothing like it Orion, they had full rap around fins on their heats sinks with stainless steel end plates. They also had/ have their heatsinks drilled out on the inside to fit the metal bi-polor trasistors that they use. Doubt it or not, The fact is that Orion had their own tool shop and their hand crafted heatsinks made right in their Tempe AZ plant. Just in case you didn't know the heatsinks came in four colors. Black, SX, Red HCCA and custom chrome or gold plated with the option of having your name engraved. n article EWGzb.424418$Fm2.427533@attbi_s04, "Paul Vina" wrote: And Linear Power had amps that looked like that too. Big deal. I also doubt Orio was making their own heatsinks. Almost everyone, even today, buys them from a 3rd party. Paul Vina |
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Phaze bought PPI ... then, they damn near killed it by creating bogus
receivables so the bank would keep lending them money to buy more product, which they then tried to sell off to pay the bank, but never getting ahead in the process. Whole thing was the end result of a very ambitious plan to grow the business aggressively which was why they also brought in the off-shore PPI amp line, and the C1/C2 subs and matching speaker lines. It all came crashing down around 1999? Something like that... we looked at the time but didn't make an offer, and ADST ended up absorbing them. JD sancho wrote: iirc 'phaze' audio made and/or marketed tube amps (somehow affiliated with butler) and metal coned speakers before and after the ppi acquisition... i found a page to confirm while i was composing this: http://www.butleraudio.com/bk.html i believe they are what captain howdy referred to when he said, "Here is another inferesting fact that many people are unaware of, PPI used to sell gear under the Phaze Audio name." -- sancho inferesting indeed "AZSPL" wrote in message ... In late 1997 or early 1998 - Ted Guenther and his sister, who owned PPI sold the company to Phase Audio. PPI came under the direction of Phase Audio and was shortly broke. From there it was sold to Orion/Ads and then on to Directed Electronics. In its original state - PPI had good products and an excellent reputation. Directed is huge and has the ability to revive PPI given time. Alma Gates www.teamgates.org |
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John, I know their not a clone, I just wanted to hear your 2 cents. But they
do look like the older Apline V12's. In article , John Durbin wrote: What the hell would we want to do that for? Product cloning is for pussies, and we were shipping the Directed amps before we even bought ADST. At least, the PCB designs - the mechanical design changed in 2002 at CES which was a month and half after the acquisition. But I'm not offended, it's a very common misconception. I am however thinking you haven't ever looked very close at any PCB's for the three brands in question. Actually, if you want to know the real story, we paid a top industrial designer for both the Directed and the Viper amps mechanicals that year... but Viper was having its big launch so we intentionally dialed back the Directed to a more conservative look so Viper would be the attention-getter. JD Captain Howdy wrote: I can see spending more time in the insides the outsides, fitting an Orion or PPI mainboard into an Alpine case is not an easy task. In article , John Durbin wrote: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090001030608000608000608 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit could have something to do with us having spent more on the insides than the outsides, too... JD or not Paul Vina wrote: |
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John here's a pic of the 2150M
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tegory=18 797 Here's a pic of the Art Series http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tegory=18 796 Are you sure the 2150M isn't an Art model? Here's a pic of a Orion GX amplifier, what does that remind you of? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tegory=18 796 In article , John Durbin wrote: dude, where do you get this stuff?!! Anyone who has ever had their hands on them knows that Art Series had absolutely nothing in common with Orion. The two were different companies up until the very late 90's. Also, the 2150M isn't an Art model. Orion never made an amp with no fins, ever. JD I'm not the 100% expert on that period of the two company's histories mind you but everything you've written so far that has "Orion" or "PPI" in it has been totally boofoo |
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Maybe he's had a little too much "Ear Candy"!
Paul Vina "John Durbin" wrote in message ... You're talking about the secondary machining required for assembly... the heat sinks were from an outside supplier, they brought them in bulk and cut them there. many amp mfr's did this in house, some still do. I remember touring the Zapco facility in Modesto back in the 80's after they had just acquired a big machine for milling and tapping holes, etc. - they had been doing it by hand with a drill press before that! Still has nothing to do with PPI ... if it would help, I could call a buddy that worked in the metal shop and drove a forklift around the place before he moved into the front office, and ask him what flavor of crack you might be on... or, maybe a couple of the speaker designers that worked there as well. JD Captain Howdy wrote: Linar Power, (also known as Eye Candy amps) amps looked nothing like it Orion, they had full rap around fins on their heats sinks with stainless steel end plates. They also had/ have their heatsinks drilled out on the inside to fit the metal bi-polor trasistors that they use. Doubt it or not, The fact is that Orion had their own tool shop and their hand crafted heatsinks made right in their Tempe AZ plant. Just in case you didn't know the heatsinks came in four colors. Black, SX, Red HCCA and custom chrome or gold plated with the option of having your name engraved. n article EWGzb.424418$Fm2.427533@attbi_s04, "Paul Vina" wrote: And Linear Power had amps that looked like that too. Big deal. I also doubt Orio was making their own heatsinks. Almost everyone, even today, buys them from a 3rd party. Paul Vina |
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I know what you mean. When Phaze bought PPI I wan't a real happy camper
personally but it did make my job easier since I wasn't selling PPI so it was easier to get people to look at my product. I was really happy when DEI bought ADST and decided to give the line some attention. Paul Vina "AZSPL" wrote in message ... Hello Paul, I read R.A.C.all the time - just seldom post unless something catches my eye as in PPI. PPI will always have a very special place in my life and I just want things straight..It was a great company that was destroyed by outsiders. Things happen that you cannot control and this was one of them. I have been with DEI (Python) for a few years now and was pleased that they were able to purchase PPI. Only time will tell what happens. |
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They're similar, but not the same. The fins on the Orion are laid down more
where the PPIs are more vertical. Profile used to have amos that looked like these too. Maybe PI and Orion stole the designs from them! Ass. Paul Vina "Captain Howdy" wrote in message ... John here's a pic of the 2150M http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tegory=18 797 Here's a pic of the Art Series http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tegory=18 796 Are you sure the 2150M isn't an Art model? Here's a pic of a Orion GX amplifier, what does that remind you of? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tegory=18 796 In article , John Durbin wrote: dude, where do you get this stuff?!! Anyone who has ever had their hands on them knows that Art Series had absolutely nothing in common with Orion. The two were different companies up until the very late 90's. Also, the 2150M isn't an Art model. Orion never made an amp with no fins, ever. JD I'm not the 100% expert on that period of the two company's histories mind you but everything you've written so far that has "Orion" or "PPI" in it has been totally boofoo |
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