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On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 04:48:43 GMT, "Lorin David Schultz"
wrote: "Martin Heffels" wrote: Avid seems to think 0VU=-14dBFS. Which Avid? Ours is -20. Heheeh, they don't have their own standard internally. It's on the Xpress Pro sofwtare per factory. But it's adjusteable. There seems to be a whole lotta "shoot the messenger" coming from one of the groups to which this thread is cross-posted. I didn't establish the standard, I'm just quoting it. Not shooting you But there is no global standard and it would be nice to see where they keep which levels around the globe. Anyway, how does your comment relate to the original poster's question? Because I don't think the OP stated where he came from. Granted, nine out of ten times it will be the US, but suppose he is in a country where they use -16, and he start using -20 as you said, his material might be rejected everywhere, as levels being to high. You know, broadcast-technicians are very sensitive when it comes to levels The other day in one of the other groups, it came out that sometimes in one country, there are two different standards (crikey, Australia). cheers -martin- -- "Now I want you to say it thrice daily and don't dress a bun" |
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"Martin Heffels" wrote:
Heheeh, they don't have their own standard internally. It's on the Xpress Pro sofwtare per factory. But it's adjusteable. Of course it's adjustable, but the interface has a "default" level. Look at the meters on the hardware box. Maybe you don't have dedicated Avid hardware? I haven't seen the XPress stuff. Not that it matters in our circumstances... we're not doing a-d at the Avid anyway. It comes in SDI, so the level will have been set at the converters in the control room (or at the camera in the case of field acquisition). -- "It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!" - Lorin David Schultz in the control room making even bad news sound good (Remove spamblock to reply) |
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Steve King wrote: Of course, haven't we all seen the postings about Sony PD150/170 cameras and their prosumer equivilents VX2000/2001 that will deliver excessively noisy results at those settings? It is my understanding that other manufacturers of this category of camera suffer similarly. Shortly after I switched from BetaSP to DVCAM I had to reschedule an interview that was recorded to the standards suggested by Lorin on a PD150. ( 0 = -20dbfs.) The result was simply too noisy to use. It was an honest mistake by an experienced sound professional who tried to apply standards that worked with analogue BetaSP to a new digital format that simply doesn't have the capability to accommodate 20 dB of headroom. (As a side note, the second interview was a bust. The spontanaity of the first sitting was gone. Caution replaced candor. It will, unfortunately, not be used in the documentary that is still an ongoing project.) It should be mentioned that although 0 = -20 dbfs is "Broadcast standard", doing location (ENG) work with various kind of gear is a beast of an altogether different kind. On location with a variety of gear like say, a 16 bit -10 recorder the ENG guy has to know what his gear is capable of and how to best use it. But as long as your peaks levels are in the ballpark above your average levels than the 0VU tone should make sense, and if you're posting on an audio console and nothings goin to crap out when you adjust your mixer's inputs to tone. And even though within a facilty the standard may be 0VU+ -20DBfs, when it hits Master control it ain't so unusual these day to find a multiband processor/"Mastering" device that kicks the levels up pretty hot, sometimes even as loud as the commercials (imagine that!) The loudness wars continue - on cable anyway just like on radio. Will Miho NY Music and TV Audio Guy Staff Audio/Fox News/M-AES "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits |
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