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Duuh!! If your Peak limiter has no effect, your probably clippingbadly already!!!
Duuhh! I was clipping the main stereo output buss, so was wondering why Ozone 5 Maximizer wasn't doing too much! Thankfully it wasn't too bad, so the client didn't notice anything....but after they left, I compared their tracks to some store-bought CDs, and they were way too loud. I ended up Drop-boxing them the fixed tracks, so not a great loss. Live and learn.....and PAY ATTENTION!! |
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Duuh!! If your Peak limiter has no effect, your probablyclipping badly already!!!
On Monday, January 12, 2015 at 1:09:59 AM UTC-5, Paul wrote:
Duuhh! I was clipping the main stereo output buss, so was wondering why Ozone 5 Maximizer wasn't doing too much! Thankfully it wasn't too bad, so the client didn't notice anything....but after they left, I compared their tracks to some store-bought CDs, and they were way too loud. I ended up Drop-boxing them the fixed tracks, so not a great loss. Live and learn.....and PAY ATTENTION!! __________ Levels, Levels, LEVELS! (A lost art in this "Use Your Ears!" century) |
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Paul wrote: Thankfully it wasn't too bad, so the client didn't notice anything....but after they left, I compared their tracks to some store-bought CDs, and they were way too loud. You managed to exceed 0dBFS? ;-) -- *Growing old is inevitable, growing up is optional * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On 13/01/2015 3:10 AM, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , Paul wrote: Thankfully it wasn't too bad, so the client didn't notice anything....but after they left, I compared their tracks to some store-bought CDs, and they were way too loud. You managed to exceed 0dBFS? ;-) Since "store bought CD's" vary in both peak and average levels by up to 20dB depending on genre, label, era, mastering engineer etc. the whole concept above is a joke, not just the reply. Surely the easiest way to determine clipping these days is to simply look at the waveform in your DAW? Flat tops are a definite give away! Trevor. |
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Duuh!! If your Peak limiter has no effect, your probably clippingbadly already!!!
On 13/01/2015 4:58 p.m., Trevor wrote:
On 13/01/2015 3:10 AM, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Paul wrote: Thankfully it wasn't too bad, so the client didn't notice anything....but after they left, I compared their tracks to some store-bought CDs, and they were way too loud. You managed to exceed 0dBFS? ;-) Since "store bought CD's" vary in both peak and average levels by up to 20dB depending on genre, label, era, mastering engineer etc. the whole concept above is a joke, not just the reply. Surely the easiest way to determine clipping these days is to simply look at the waveform in your DAW? Flat tops are a definite give away! Trevor. Zoom out and see how 'solid' the timeline 'enve Can be hugely compressed with no flat-tops at all. geoff |
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On 13/01/2015 4:18 PM, geoff wrote:
On 13/01/2015 4:58 p.m., Trevor wrote: On 13/01/2015 3:10 AM, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Paul wrote: Thankfully it wasn't too bad, so the client didn't notice anything....but after they left, I compared their tracks to some store-bought CDs, and they were way too loud. You managed to exceed 0dBFS? ;-) Since "store bought CD's" vary in both peak and average levels by up to 20dB depending on genre, label, era, mastering engineer etc. the whole concept above is a joke, not just the reply. Surely the easiest way to determine clipping these days is to simply look at the waveform in your DAW? Flat tops are a definite give away! Zoom out and see how 'solid' the timeline 'enve Can be hugely compressed with no flat-tops at all. Well duh! Did you actually read what he wrote about "clipping badly" before replying?? Trevor. |
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Duuh!! If your Peak limiter has no effect, your probably clippingbadly already!!!
On 1/12/2015 9:10 AM, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , Paul wrote: Thankfully it wasn't too bad, so the client didn't notice anything....but after they left, I compared their tracks to some store-bought CDs, and they were way too loud. You managed to exceed 0dBFS? ;-) How the Hell can anyone do THAT? :/ What you can do, is lower the peak-to-average ratio, so that the overall average loudness level is much higher than normal. At any rate, I pulled back my levels, so the main stereo buss was not clipping (except for maybe one or two points in the song), and properly used Ozone 5's Maximizer, with multiband compression, and a little EQing and overall reverb, and the result was much better. |
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Duuh!! If your Peak limiter has no effect, your probably clippingbadly already!!!
On 13/01/2015 7:59 p.m., Trevor wrote:
On 13/01/2015 4:18 PM, geoff wrote: On 13/01/2015 4:58 p.m., Trevor wrote: On 13/01/2015 3:10 AM, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Paul wrote: Thankfully it wasn't too bad, so the client didn't notice anything....but after they left, I compared their tracks to some store-bought CDs, and they were way too loud. You managed to exceed 0dBFS? ;-) Since "store bought CD's" vary in both peak and average levels by up to 20dB depending on genre, label, era, mastering engineer etc. the whole concept above is a joke, not just the reply. Surely the easiest way to determine clipping these days is to simply look at the waveform in your DAW? Flat tops are a definite give away! Zoom out and see how 'solid' the timeline 'enve Can be hugely compressed with no flat-tops at all. Well duh! Did you actually read what he wrote about "clipping badly" before replying?? Trevor. No, came in after that, it seems. geoff |
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Duuh!! If your Peak limiter has no effect, your probably clippingbadly already!!!
On 13/01/2015 8:44 PM, geoff wrote:
On 13/01/2015 7:59 p.m., Trevor wrote: On 13/01/2015 4:18 PM, geoff wrote: On 13/01/2015 4:58 p.m., Trevor wrote: On 13/01/2015 3:10 AM, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Paul wrote: Thankfully it wasn't too bad, so the client didn't notice anything....but after they left, I compared their tracks to some store-bought CDs, and they were way too loud. You managed to exceed 0dBFS? ;-) Since "store bought CD's" vary in both peak and average levels by up to 20dB depending on genre, label, era, mastering engineer etc. the whole concept above is a joke, not just the reply. Surely the easiest way to determine clipping these days is to simply look at the waveform in your DAW? Flat tops are a definite give away! Zoom out and see how 'solid' the timeline 'enve Can be hugely compressed with no flat-tops at all. Well duh! Did you actually read what he wrote about "clipping badly" before replying?? No, came in after that, it seems. Not going to attack you, at least you are being honest, but it is still right there in the header. And FWIW, my pet hate is people who claim some commercial CD's are not clipped just because they are normalised to -0.3dBFS, when you can clearly still see all the flat tops. Not saying you are necessarily claiming that, but IME most commercial CD's that have the bejesus compressed out of them, also have severe clipping, even if they don't actually reach 0dBFS. And as I said, it is all readily apparent what is happening simply by *properly* examining the waveform in any DAW, assuming of course they know what they are looking at. Many don't unfortunately. Trevor. |
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Trevor wrote: "- show quoted text -
No, came in after that, it seems. "Not going to attack you, at least you are being honest, but it is still right there in the header. And FWIW, my pet hate is people who claim some commercial CD's are not clipped just because they are normalised to -0.3dBFS, when you can clearly still see all the flat tops. Not saying you are necessarily claiming that, but IME most commercial CD's that have the bejesus compressed out of them, also have severe clipping, even if they don't actually reach 0dBFS. And as I said, it is all readily apparent what is happening simply by *properly* examining the waveform in any DAW, assuming of course they know what they are looking at. Many don't unfortunately. Trevor. " Agree, agree, and AGREE! A clip is a duck is a clip, whether it's down at -2dBFs or kissing 0. And I'm tired of the hatred generated by all the denialists on here, or at Gearslutz, etc. They'll tell you "zoom out" of the waveform, the clipping "isn't really there", or, "just use your ears"(a classic Shepherdism if ever I heard one!). |
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Duuh!! If your Peak limiter has no effect, your probably clipping badly already!!!
Paul ~ Just a note ... there is an important difference between "your"
(something you own, for example) and "you're" (contraction of 'you are'). Someone had to say it. -- ~ Roy "If you notice the sound, it's wrong!" |
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Duuh!! If your Peak limiter has no effect, your probably clippingbadly already!!!
On 14/01/2015 1:10 a.m., Trevor wrote:
Well duh! Did you actually read what he wrote about "clipping badly" before replying?? No, came in after that, it seems. Not going to attack you, at least you are being honest, but it is still right there in the header. "If" and "Probably" . And FWIW, my pet hate is people who claim some commercial CD's are not clipped just because they are normalised to -0.3dBFS, when you can clearly still see all the flat tops. And my pet hate it people equated clipped peaks with hyper-compression. geoff |
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Duuh!! If your Peak limiter has no effect, your probablyclipping badly already!!!
geoff wrote: "And my pet hate it people
equated clipped peaks with hyper-compression." So you hate mixing up terms more than you dislike the actual damage itself being done to the music. Classic denialism. smh.. |
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Duuh!! If your Peak limiter has no effect, your probably clippingbadly already!!!
On 14/01/2015 7:05 AM, geoff wrote:
On 14/01/2015 1:10 a.m., Trevor wrote: And FWIW, my pet hate is people who claim some commercial CD's are not clipped just because they are normalised to -0.3dBFS, when you can clearly still see all the flat tops. Not saying you are necessarily claiming that, but IME most commercial CD's that have the bejesus compressed out of them, *also* have severe clipping, even if they don't ^^^^^^ actually reach 0dBFS. And my pet hate it people equated clipped peaks with hyper-compression. Well as I said they are two different things, but those who want the absolute maximum level in their CD's often seem to use both. So IME the loudness wars have lead to both hyper compression and the acceptance of clipping as normal by not only the buying public but the mastering engineers it seems. :-( Trevor. |
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Trevor wrote: "So IME the loudness wars have lead to
both hyper compression and the acceptance of clipping as normal by not only the buying public but the mastering engineers it seems. :-( Trevor. " I don't think the mastering engineers have "accepted" clipping or hyper-compression per se. They do it as per request of their clients(artists, producers, labels). If an artist says, "Leave as much of the dynamics in the mastered version as possible", most engineers will listen to such requests and make it so. A la 'Chinese Democracy'. |
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Duuh!! If your Peak limiter has no effect, your probably clippingbadly already!!!
On 14/01/2015 1:03 p.m., Trevor wrote:
And my pet hate it people equated clipped peaks with hyper-compression. Well as I said they are two different things, but those who want the absolute maximum level in their CD's often seem to use both. So IME the loudness wars have lead to both hyper compression and the acceptance of clipping as normal by not only the buying public but the mastering engineers it seems. :-( I'd call the clipping more of a "poor person's exciter" ;-) , or should that be ;-( . geoff |
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Duuh!! If your Peak limiter has no effect, your probably clippingbadly already!!!
On 14/01/2015 7:16 PM, geoff wrote:
I'd call the clipping more of a "poor person's exciter" ;-) , or should that be ;-( . Definitely :-( Trevor. |
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On 1/13/2015 6:36 PM, Trevor wrote:
On 14/01/2015 12:05 PM, wrote: Trevor wrote: "So IME the loudness wars have lead to both hyper compression and the acceptance of clipping as normal by not only the buying public but the mastering engineers it seems. :-( I don't think the mastering engineers have "accepted" clipping or hyper-compression per se. They do it as per request of their clients(artists, producers, labels). Of course, but it is also up to them to educate the customers where possible. I know I have to do it all the time. Naturally you don't want to turn away clients for the sake of principle however. And then they simply get someone else to stuff up what you've already done anyway :-( Oh, this is a big problem. Even the customers want their mixes to be loud, Loud, LOUD!!! I had one guy bring the just-burned CD to his car, and he promptly compared it to an FM radio signal, which was no doubt ultra-compressed with an Orban Optimod up the wazzoo! He them complained that the mastered mix I just made was not as loud as what was on the FM radio! Jesus, I had to give him a lecture that you should really only compare to CDs, and even then, as the other poster mentions, commercial recordings are also ultra compressed as-is, anyways! If an artist says, "Leave as much of the dynamics in the mastered version as possible", most engineers will listen to such requests and make it so. Of course, *IF* the artist has any say in it. It is usually the label execs that are the biggest problem. Trevor. So I don't see the loudness wars going away...EVER. Most bands want their songs to stick out. Doesn't anyone want dynamic range in their songs anymore? |
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Duuh!! If your Peak limiter has no effect, your probably clippingbadly already!!!
On 14/01/2015 7:40 PM, Paul wrote:
So I don't see the loudness wars going away...EVER. Most bands want their songs to stick out. Doesn't anyone want dynamic range in their songs anymore? Yes, but it's a fairly small percentage these days, and almost non existent in the pop genres. Trevor. |
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Trevor wrote: "On 14/01/2015 7:40 PM, Paul wrote:
So I don't see the loudness wars going away...EVER. Most bands want their songs to stick out. Doesn't anyone want dynamic range in their songs anymore? Yes, but it's a fairly small percentage these days, and almost non existent in the pop genres. Trevor. " So my advice is, hold on to whatever UNremastered versions one owns of pre-1990s pop/rock/rap/r&b/country - on CD or LP. Show your grandkids someday the way recorded music used to sound! |
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geoff wrote: "- show quoted text -
No. They are totally separate issues, though can be combined to make an even worse mess. This is one of the things that had been explained to you by many people, ad nauseum, that you fail to comprehend. geoff " I know they are two different things geoff. You just want to nit pick- I'm looking at the big pictu All of these processes are leading to dynamically compromised, ridiculously loud representations of our art. And the labels and the public who buy music are so conditioned to this "sound" that when they hear the right way(pre-mid-1990s) it sounds 'wrong' to them. Having to turn the the volume up past more than 1/10th of its range seems 'odd' to modern/young listeners. And geoff I know you're going to defend the modern(hyper- squashed brickwalled, clipped whatever-term-you-want-to- use, makeup-gained) way by asking "Who are you to decide what sounds right or wrong?" Go ahead, I know it's on the tip of your tongue(or fingers). |
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"geoff" wrote in message
... On 14/01/2015 11:54 a.m., krissie kretin @ kmail.com wrote: geoff wrote: "And my pet hate it people equated clipped peaks with hyper-compression." So you hate mixing up terms more than you dislike the actual damage itself being done to the music. So you hate learning, refuse to learn, and prefer to lie about what other people believe. Classic denialism. smh.. Classis necrohippophilia. No. They are totally separate issues, though can be combined to make an even worse mess. This is one of the things that had been explained to you by many people, ad nauseum, that you fail to comprehend. It's not just that he fails to understand. He refuses to even try. He prefers to be a retarded trolling toddler. |
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geoff wrote: "On 15/01/2015 12:41 a.m., wrote:
And geoff I know you're going to defend the modern(hyper- squashed brickwalled, clipped whatever-term-you-want-to- use, makeup-gained) way by asking "Who are you to decide what sounds right or wrong?" Go ahead, I know it's on the tip of your tongue(or fingers). Shows how much you know then. I had been complaining about hyper-compression for years before it became your hobby-horse." How the F- is the loudness war "my hobby horse"? WTF does that mean?! Sheez, as if I was the only person in this SOLAR SYSTEM opposed to it... "Again, again, again, you can have hyper-compressed music with NO clipping. You can have brick-wall limiting with little compression. Make-up gain can be used with any level of compression (massive, moderate, or minute compression). geoff " Agreed and perfectly understood. And I'm sure that there are also examples of combinations of all the above available right on retail shelves. To deny that hyper-compressed + clipped, or, brick wall limited + compressed music exists doesn't make sense either. |
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On Wednesday, January 14, 2015 at 7:49:33 PM UTC-6, wrote:
How the F- is the loudness war "my hobby horse"? WTF does that mean?! Sheez, as if I was the only person in this SOLAR SYSTEM opposed to it... Well, you've given the *impression* that you think you're the only person in this solar system opposed to the loudness war. And that you think the rest of us don't care about it, or that we like it, or accept it. I've been reading this newsgroup since the 1990s, and I can assure you that most of its longtime contributors are well aware of hyper-compression, and loathe it. Most of us have also realized that we're not really in a position to do much about it except in very limited circumstances. There have been panel sessions on the "loudness wars" at AES meetings, and the loudness wars haven't gone away. I wish they would. (I just got done with pre-production on a radio segment, and a cut by a Cajun band I am planning to use is pure toothpaste. That from a folk label, no less. Sheesh.) But as long as record company execs are nincompoops (which they've been since about, oh, 1901), the hyper-compressed recordings will keep coming out. Peace, Paul |
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dumb **** k-baby @ gmail.com wrote in message
... Agreed and perfectly understood. You don't understand at all, and you'll be back next week, proving it by riding that rotting corpse of a dead hobby horse. You really are a dumb****, and you've proven, again and again, that you either refuse to learn, or you're just too stupid. So which is it, k-kretin? |
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Duuh!! If your Peak limiter has no effect, your probablyclipping badly already!!!
PStamler wrote: "But as long as record company execs are
nincompoops(which they've been since about, oh, 1901), the hyper- compressed recordings will keep coming out. " ^This! Computer - check! Word processing software - check! Printer on, paper loaded - check! Envelopes stamped - check!! Mount keyboard - ready, aim, TYPE!! Y'all know where to send your gripes to now. |
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On Thursday, 15 January 2015 14:33:13 UTC+1, wrote:
PStamler wrote: "But as long as record company execs are nincompoops(which they've been since about, oh, 1901), the hyper- compressed recordings will keep coming out. " ^This! Computer - check! Word processing software - check! Printer on, paper loaded - check! Envelopes stamped - check!! Mount keyboard - ready, aim, TYPE!! Y'all know where to send your gripes to now. Thekma, man, you're so borring and aannoying. I believe you're not that much stupid, as you make us all believe, but, unfortunatelly, i do not have a proof. |
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On Friday, January 16, 2015 at 11:54:28 AM UTC-5, Luxey wrote:
On Thursday, 15 January 2015 14:33:13 UTC+1, wrote: PStamler wrote: "But as long as record company execs are nincompoops(which they've been since about, oh, 1901), the hyper- compressed recordings will keep coming out. " ^This! Computer - check! Word processing software - check! Printer on, paper loaded - check! Envelopes stamped - check!! Mount keyboard - ready, aim, TYPE!! Y'all know where to send your gripes to now. Thekma, man, you're so borring and aannoying. I believe you're not that much stupid, as you make us all believe, but, unfortunatelly, i do not have a proof. Then you must be one of the record execs PStamler referred to. |
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the k-dumb**** @ shortbus.org wrote in message
... .... the dumb**** ... wrote" Then you must be one of the record execs .... and there's the dumb****'s hobby horse ... Gee, Krissie Dumb****i, a few people had probably already forgotten what a dumb**** you are. Thanks for the reminder! Krissie Dumb****i the k-dumb****, confirming that you're a short-bus dumb****. Isn't it time for you to "report" me to Gurgle, or Interpol or someone? No, it's just time for you to step off the dumb**** short bus, and start flogging that hobby horse again. Your dumb**** hobby horse. In case there was any doubt, you confirm that you have no intention of ever learning anything. Maybe you're just too much of a dumb**** to learn. Dumb****. |
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wrote:
How the F- is the loudness war "my hobby horse"? WTF does that mean?! Sheez, as if I was the only person in this SOLAR SYSTEM opposed to it... Lots of people are opposed to it, but most of them can also talk about other things without constantly bringing it up in the middle of totally unrelated discussions. You do not seem to be able to talk about anything without bringing it up. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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geoff wrote:
On 15/01/2015 2:49 p.m., wrote: Agreed and perfectly understood. And I'm sure that there are also examples of combinations of all the above available right on retail shelves. To deny that hyper-compressed + clipped, or, brick wall limited + compressed music exists doesn't make sense either. If you think I have ever suggested that, then that again demonstrates your limited reading-comprehension. geoff I think he reads in a lossy format. -- shut up and play your guitar * HankAlrich.Com HankandShaidriMusic.Com YouTube.Com/WalkinayMusic |
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On 17/01/2015 19:21, hank alrich wrote:
geoff wrote: On 15/01/2015 2:49 p.m., wrote: Agreed and perfectly understood. And I'm sure that there are also examples of combinations of all the above available right on retail shelves. To deny that hyper-compressed + clipped, or, brick wall limited + compressed music exists doesn't make sense either. If you think I have ever suggested that, then that again demonstrates your limited reading-comprehension. geoff I think he reads in a lossy format. MP3 for text. Now there's a thought. :-) -- Tciao for Now! John. |
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On 1/17/2015 9:14 PM, John Williamson wrote:
M*3 fo**te*t.*No* *he**'s a*tho*g*t. -- For a good time, visit http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com |
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"Mike Rivers" wrote in message
... On 1/17/2015 9:14 PM, John Williamson wrote: M*3 fo**te*t.*No* *he**'s a*tho*g*t. WTF? lol! LOL! f-kn OMG. smh. Yes, it already writes in the lossy compression of two-thumbed broken English. Very broken. And of course, there's the microcephalic "lossy comprehension" reading ability. |
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hank alrich, Jeff Henig, Mike Rivers,
et al: I understand a LOT MORE than you BULLIES give me credit for. That's right, now all that you guys are reduced to, by your own behavior as evidenced by your most recent replies to this thread, are the proverbial jerks at the back of the school bus! Glad I didn't go to grade school with any of you. |
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On 18/01/2015 5:48 a.m., Scott Dorsey wrote:
wrote: How the F- is the loudness war "my hobby horse"? WTF does that mean?! Sheez, as if I was the only person in this SOLAR SYSTEM opposed to it... Lots of people are opposed to it, but most of them can also talk about other things without constantly bringing it up in the middle of totally unrelated discussions. You do not seem to be able to talk about anything without bringing it up. --scott A bit like people who drive and Audi. They always seem to be able to drop an Audi reference into a discussion of almost any topic ! geoff |
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