What is the minimum hardware/software package for ProTools? Is there any
version that I can use motu 2408 mkII's with or will I have to buy some
sort of outboard box/mixer or other?

I use cubase but I am trying to be more compatible with others. I do
know I can export and have done it for a long time but it wouldn't hurt
me to have pt if is isn't too much - so I am thinking about the purchase.

Thanks


Danny Taddei

I know the names of things like mbox and so on but I would like to know
from experience, just what works and what I can expect from it. How
good, how reliable, all the good info before I buy stuff....

thanks again

Danny wrote:

What is the minimum hardware/software package for ProTools? Is there any
version that I can use motu 2408 mkII's with or will I have to buy some
sort of outboard box/mixer or other?

I use cubase but I am trying to be more compatible with others. I do
know I can export and have done it for a long time but it wouldn't hurt
me to have pt if is isn't too much - so I am thinking about the purchase.

Thanks


Danny Taddei

Danny wrote:
What is the minimum hardware/software package for ProTools? Is there any
version that I can use motu 2408 mkII's with or will I have to buy some
sort of outboard box/mixer or other?

You will not be able to use ProTools software with the MOTU hardware.
ProTools only will work with ProTools hardware. The minimum investment
to get into ProTools will be with an Mbox. Check out Digi's site to see
if your computer will be compatible.

--
Eric

Practice Your Mixing Skills
Multi-Track Masters on CD-ROM
www.Raw-Tracks.com

Danny wrote in message ...
I know the names of things like mbox and so on but I would like to know
from experience, just what works and what I can expect from it. How
good, how reliable, all the good info before I buy stuff....

thanks again

Danny wrote:

What is the minimum hardware/software package for ProTools? Is there any
version that I can use motu 2408 mkII's with or will I have to buy some
sort of outboard box/mixer or other?

I use cubase but I am trying to be more compatible with others. I do
know I can export and have done it for a long time but it wouldn't hurt
me to have pt if is isn't too much - so I am thinking about the purchase.

Thanks


Danny Taddei


I would to go the Digidesign's website and look in the user conference
message boards. There are a lot of sticky posts offering advice on
this issue

In article writes:

What is the minimum hardware/software package for ProTools?

An M-box on just about any Windows or Mac computer.

Is there any
version that I can use motu 2408 mkII's with or will I have to buy some
sort of outboard box/mixer or other?

There's ProTools Free, but it doesn't work beyond Windows 98. In
concept, Digidesign hardware is the "key" to opening the software.


--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

orbb wrote:




I would to go the Digidesign's website and look in the user conference
message boards. There are a lot of sticky posts offering advice on
this issue

That may be a good idea... though I trust the folks here a bit more ;-)

EricK wrote:

Danny wrote:

What is the minimum hardware/software package for ProTools? Is there
any version that I can use motu 2408 mkII's with or will I have to buy
some sort of outboard box/mixer or other?


You will not be able to use ProTools software with the MOTU hardware.
ProTools only will work with ProTools hardware. The minimum investment
to get into ProTools will be with an Mbox. Check out Digi's site to see
if your computer will be compatible.


Thanks for that. I did go all through the site. I reposted a trailer to
my original post clarifying but you probably didn't see it. I am more
after the -does it work- factor. I think the mbox it probably all I need
to be compatible with other studios but are there any real draw backs or
bad reputations that go with it.

I have used protools before and though I don't know if it was the
operator's fault, we had all kinds of dropped tracks and screw ups. The
studio in question was spotless, in San Diego, in case anyone knows them.

Thanks for your help, if you have more I would love it.

Danny

Mike Rivers wrote:



There's ProTools Free, but it doesn't work beyond Windows 98. In
concept, Digidesign hardware is the "key" to opening the software.

Of course there is cost but I was hoping to not add a new nest under my
studio.

Have you used the cheap mbox set up and do you know if the mbox works well?

danny

You will not be able to use ProTools software with the MOTU hardware.
ProTools only will work with ProTools hardware. The minimum investment
to get into ProTools will be with an Mbox. Check out Digi's site to see
if your computer will be compatible.

Well, there is ProTools Free, which works with Sound Manager (internal Apple
sound hardware) but I don't know if that's still available.


Scott Fraser

ScotFraser wrote:

You will not be able to use ProTools software with the MOTU hardware.
ProTools only will work with ProTools hardware. The minimum investment
to get into ProTools will be with an Mbox. Check out Digi's site to see
if your computer will be compatible.

Well, there is ProTools Free, which works with Sound Manager (internal Apple
sound hardware) but I don't know if that's still available.


Scott Fraser

Probably not what the doctor ordered either. I have no problem spending
a little for one of the small systems if they actually work. I need to
be compatible (in the minds of PT users) with PT users. I know how to
transfer files but if they don't they get wiggy on me..... a few bucks
and no wiggies... that's worth it.

EricK wrote:
Danny wrote:
What is the minimum hardware/software package for ProTools? Is there
any version that I can use motu 2408 mkII's with or will I have to
buy some sort of outboard box/mixer or other?

You will not be able to use ProTools software with the MOTU hardware.
ProTools only will work with ProTools hardware. The minimum investment
to get into ProTools will be with an Mbox. Check out Digi's site to
see if your computer will be compatible.

Or even better, use whatever hardware you like, and any software you like,
apart from ProTools.

geoff

In article writes:

Of course there is cost but I was hoping to not add a new nest under my
studio.

Have you used the cheap mbox set up and do you know if the mbox works well?

Not me, but I'm told that it works remarkably well. Also, I think (not
sure, this is belief based on explanations) that once the software
recognizes that it's connected to some Digidesign hardware, you can
route ProTools audio through other hardware. So you could buy a system
with an M-Box, stash the M-box under your desk and never connect
anything to it but the USB cable, and actually use another audio
interface.



--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

Mike Rivers wrote:

In article writes:


Of course there is cost but I was hoping to not add a new nest under my
studio.

Have you used the cheap mbox set up and do you know if the mbox works well?


Not me, but I'm told that it works remarkably well. Also, I think (not
sure, this is belief based on explanations) that once the software
recognizes that it's connected to some Digidesign hardware, you can
route ProTools audio through other hardware. So you could buy a system
with an M-Box, stash the M-box under your desk and never connect
anything to it but the USB cable, and actually use another audio
interface.

Once again - you'da man! If that pans out I'm in fat city. I owe you a
beer. - hummm, by now I owe you a six pack

Geoff Wood wrote:

EricK wrote:

Danny wrote:

What is the minimum hardware/software package for ProTools? Is there
any version that I can use motu 2408 mkII's with or will I have to
buy some sort of outboard box/mixer or other?

You will not be able to use ProTools software with the MOTU hardware.
ProTools only will work with ProTools hardware. The minimum investment
to get into ProTools will be with an Mbox. Check out Digi's site to
see if your computer will be compatible.


Or even better, use whatever hardware you like, and any software you like,
apart from ProTools.

geoff


I've got a small client base that is familiar with ProTools and I use
Cubase/motu set up. I need the protools to keep the natives from getting
restless.

Danny wrote:


Mike Rivers wrote:

In article writes:


Of course there is cost but I was hoping to not add a new nest under
my studio.

Have you used the cheap mbox set up and do you know if the mbox works
well?



Not me, but I'm told that it works remarkably well. Also, I think (not
sure, this is belief based on explanations) that once the software
recognizes that it's connected to some Digidesign hardware, you can
route ProTools audio through other hardware. So you could buy a system
with an M-Box, stash the M-box under your desk and never connect
anything to it but the USB cable, and actually use another audio
interface.


Once again - you'da man! If that pans out I'm in fat city. I owe you a
beer. - hummm, by now I owe you a six pack



If that pans out y'all come back and let us know!

so what wrote:

now I owe you a six pack



If that pans out y'all come back and let us know!

Si Senior :-) and I will bring cervesas with a smilie face too.

I am going to call protools guys as soon as I get a chance and see what
they say - stay tuned

Digidesign has spoken -

There is no way that their software will work with other outboard gear.
You must go through their inboxes. Their digi002 rack mount has 1 light
pipe in that can absorb an 8 track. In my case, the digi 002 will give
me 16 tracks in and out using my other a/d/a boxes at a list price of $1295.

oh well, it was nice to think I could get all 32 of my tracks in but 16
will do.

Thanks everyone

Or even better, use whatever hardware you like, and any software you like,
apart from ProTools.

Why is that better?



---------------------------------------
"I know enough to know I don't know enough"

oh well, it was nice to think I could get all 32 of my tracks in but 16
will do.

I believe if you also use the spdf you can get 2 more for 18 I/O.

How many I/0 does your motu box have?



---------------------------------------
"I know enough to know I don't know enough"

EggHd wrote:

oh well, it was nice to think I could get all 32 of my tracks in but 16
will do.

I believe if you also use the spdf you can get 2 more for 18 I/O.

How many I/0 does your motu box have?



---------------------------------------
"I know enough to know I don't know enough"
It can actually go up to 72 I think though you don't need to say
it....... I have 32 in/out now and will be adding another 16 soon just
so I fill up my mixer, and cuz it'll sound so cool to say I have it :-)

Danny wrote:
Mike Rivers wrote:

In article writes:


Of course there is cost but I was hoping to not add a new nest
under my studio.

Have you used the cheap mbox set up and do you know if the mbox
works well?


Not me, but I'm told that it works remarkably well. Also, I think
(not sure, this is belief based on explanations) that once the
software recognizes that it's connected to some Digidesign hardware,
you can route ProTools audio through other hardware. So you could
buy a system with an M-Box, stash the M-box under your desk and
never connect anything to it but the USB cable, and actually use
another audio interface.

Once again - you'da man! If that pans out I'm in fat city. I owe you a
beer. - hummm, by now I owe you a six pack

You can buy me a couple of DOZEN beers for the recommendation that you
investigate using an alternative (ANY alternative) to ProTools. Most
options are less expensive, easier to use, and from companies with less
restrictive business models. And choose right you can still load in other
peoples' ProTool projects.

geoff

Danny wrote:
Geoff Wood wrote:

EricK wrote:

Danny wrote:

What is the minimum hardware/software package for ProTools? Is
there any version that I can use motu 2408 mkII's with or will I
have to buy some sort of outboard box/mixer or other?

You will not be able to use ProTools software with the MOTU
hardware. ProTools only will work with ProTools hardware. The
minimum investment to get into ProTools will be with an Mbox. Check
out Digi's site to see if your computer will be compatible.


Or even better, use whatever hardware you like, and any software you
like, apart from ProTools.

geoff


I've got a small client base that is familiar with ProTools and I use
Cubase/motu set up. I need the protools to keep the natives from
getting restless.

Just tell them it's ProTools and they'll make comments like "Jeepers,
ProTools wasn't this weasy to use last time I tried !".


Naa, just get what you need, ProTools if absolutely necessary. But don't
plan on being able to use your MOTU - even if it ispossible at the mo' ,
don't count on it remaining the case in the future with such an autocratic
company.


geoff

EggHd wrote:
Or even better, use whatever hardware you like, and any software
you like, apart from ProTools.

Why is that better?


Depending on the app, superior workflow, more CHOICE, and the feel-good
factor of not supporting an autocratic company.

geoff

Geoff Wood wrote:

EggHd wrote:

Or even better, use whatever hardware you like, and any software
you like, apart from ProTools.

Why is that better?



Depending on the app, superior workflow, more CHOICE, and the feel-good
factor of not supporting an autocratic company.

geoff



I agree. i have worked in pt before and choose anything else over it. I
really like cubase.

PT got to be the thing because it was the first system that worked well.
it isn't the best at all anymore but people don't know anything but what
they hear.

Geoff Wood wrote:

Danny wrote:y now I owe you a six pack


You can buy me a couple of DOZEN beers for the recommendation that you
investigate using an alternative (ANY alternative) to ProTools. Most
options are less expensive, easier to use, and from companies with less
restrictive business models. And choose right you can still load in other
peoples' ProTool projects.

geoff


Like I said to your other post, I couldn't agree with you more. I like
anything better then PT but people are dumb and don't know. I have some
folks that want some tracks done but they are mixing in a pt post house
and want to record in PT. I tried to explain that the tracks import just
fine but stopped trying to explain when they were rolling there eyes and
putting away their wallets. You have to do what the wallet is telling
you to do........

I may track everything in cubase and not tell them. I can transfer it
over in someone else's nightmare... ummm I mean pt studio and give it to
them like that but I might just buy the digi002 set up and be done with it.

the feel-good
factor of not supporting an autocratic company.


Digidesign is "a despotic ruler"? How do you figure?


--
Chris White, Freelance Advertising Writer & Voice Overs*
Email: Web: www.chriswhite.com
Phone: 757-621-1348
*Your opinion may vary

In article znr1093895228k@trad, Mike Rivers
wrote:

In article writes:

Of course there is cost but I was hoping to not add a new nest under my
studio.

Have you used the cheap mbox set up and do you know if the mbox works well?

Not me, but I'm told that it works remarkably well. Also, I think (not
sure, this is belief based on explanations) that once the software
recognizes that it's connected to some Digidesign hardware, you can
route ProTools audio through other hardware. So you could buy a system
with an M-Box, stash the M-box under your desk and never connect
anything to it but the USB cable, and actually use another audio
interface.




No. You won't be connecting a motu interface or anyone else directly
into PT. The mbox PT software will not see it.

You can use another company's converters, nothing remarkable about
that, and we're talking only one steenkin' stereo channel, and dumping
its spdif out digital in to the mbox. Or visee versa with the spdif out
from the mbox to another d to a to listen to the output.

Digidesign software looks for digi hardware. The only exception I am
aware of would be the approved third party midi interfaces and control
surfaces listed on their website.




David Correia
Celebration Sound
Warren, Rhode Island


www.CelebrationSound.com

In article writes:

No. You won't be connecting a motu interface or anyone else directly
into PT. The mbox PT software will not see it.

Digidesign software looks for digi hardware. The only exception I am
aware of would be the approved third party midi interfaces and control
surfaces listed on their website.

Thanks for clearing that up. Not being a ProTools follower, I can't
always accurately interpret what I hear, or confuse what worked five
years ago with what doesn't work today.

So you pick up a cheap Digi 001, hook up 8 channels of Lightpipe
converters to it, and that should be enough I/O for most project
studios.



--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

Why is that better?

Depending on the app, superior workflow, more CHOICE, and the feel-good
factor of not supporting an autocratic company.


But that's just opinion. What if the choice is pro tools?


---------------------------------------
"I know enough to know I don't know enough"

From: "Chris!"

Digidesign is "a despotic ruler"? How do you figure?

hmmm... maybe you should read up on PT and how it actually works. The
software/hardware combination, in and of itself, in no way, shape, or form
justifies the costs. Instead, digi has carved out a most enviable niche and
fully realizes that clients will recognize the name ProTools and ask for it
specifically. Thus, their pricing is set so that the system is considered more
of an investment in your future rather than being representative of tangible
worth.

That is opressive and abusive of their power. Man I wish I was majority
owner....
That negativity aside, I'm currently investigating my PT options, as I have
lost a couple of gigs to studios who don't sound better, but they have
ProTools. That may be the only words your client recognizes. Chances are
(s)he won't know Manley, Great River, or even Neumann. But they know ProTools.


-John Vice
www.summertimestudios.com

The
software/hardware combination, in and of itself, in no way, shape, or form
justifies the costs.

The justification of the cost resides in the fact that ProTools works in
situations where native DAWs don't, such as extremely high track counts with
lots of CPU intensive plugins involved. And that is something that has value.

ProTools. That may be the only words your client recognizes. Chances are
(s)he won't know Manley, Great River, or even Neumann. But they know ProTools.


For those people "ProTools" is a generic term that simply means a computer DAW.
When people ask me if I have ProTools & I tell them I use Digital Performer,
the non-DAW savvy are satisfied with that, & those who know what's up ask if I
can transfer files between PT & DP. For most, the term "ProTools" is really
just like "Kleenex".




Scott Fraser

"Danny" wrote in message
...

I think the mbox it probably all I need
to be compatible with other studios but are there any real draw backs
or
bad reputations that go with it.

I use an mbox and have never had an issue. I have to keep the buffers
set pretty high, but that might have more to do with my laptop than the
hardware/software. Not that it matters... the mbox has an analog input
monitor control for real, no-mixer-required zero-latency monitoring.

There are times when I'd like to track more than two inputs at once, and
for those situations I'm thinking about getting a 002R. The only
benefit would be more inputs though. The software is identical.

Your question was "Does it work?" From where I sit, the answer is yes,
better than other stuff I've tried. It's a closed system, so it doesn't
always play nice with other stuff (like you can't do anything useful
with your MOTU software and you have to use pt-specific plugs), but the
benefit is that the stuff that's supposed to work does.



I have used protools before and though I don't know if it was the
operator's fault, we had all kinds of dropped tracks and screw ups.
The
studio in question was spotless, in San Diego, in case anyone knows
them.

I screwed-up a take and misplaced a file, but it was the result of a
mistake *I* made, not something wrong with the MBox or PT software.
That's what happens when you chat with the talent when you should really
be concentrating on what you're doing...

--
"It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!"
- Lorin David Schultz
in the control room
making even bad news sound good

(Remove spamblock to reply)

In article writes:

Instead, digi has carved out a most enviable niche and
fully realizes that clients will recognize the name ProTools and ask for it
specifically. Thus, their pricing is set so that the system is considered more
of an investment in your future rather than being representative of tangible
worth.

That negativity aside, I'm currently investigating my PT options, as I have
lost a couple of gigs to studios who don't sound better, but they have
ProTools. That may be the only words your client recognizes.

I can remember being in a similar position some 20 years ago and was
actually trying to get business for my studio. People would call and
ask what kind of recorder and console I had, and when I replied
"TASCAM" many politiely thanked me but didn't book time (and some just
hung up without saying anything). When I was able to say "Ampex" and
"Soundcraft" real potential clients were more interested in what else
I had and what I did.

When they started asking about digital recorders (Did I have 24 tracks
of ADAT?) I decided it was time to retire from active studio work.



--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 23:56:38 -0400, John wrote
(in article ):

From: "Chris!"

Digidesign is "a despotic ruler"? How do you figure?

hmmm... maybe you should read up on PT and how it actually works. The
software/hardware combination, in and of itself, in no way, shape, or form
justifies the costs. Instead, digi has carved out a most enviable niche and
fully realizes that clients will recognize the name ProTools and ask for it
specifically. Thus, their pricing is set so that the system is considered
more
of an investment in your future rather than being representative of tangible
worth.

That is opressive and abusive of their power. Man I wish I was majority
owner....
That negativity aside, I'm currently investigating my PT options, as I have
lost a couple of gigs to studios who don't sound better, but they have
ProTools. That may be the only words your client recognizes. Chances are
(s)he won't know Manley, Great River, or even Neumann. But they know
ProTools.


-John Vice
www.summertimestudios.com

I'll have to disagree with that position. My first DAW cost $46,000. That was
in 1991. The Digi 001 I bought about four years ago for $750 does more and
sounds better. The Digi 002 I bought last year sounds better than the Digi
001 and for has quite a few nice features that were added to the Digi 001's
impressive menu.

I now have the 001 and 002. I consider them real bargains.

The idea that software and hardware integration is trivial, given the number
of systems out there today, is incorrect.

I certainly agree that Pro Tools is an investment in my future. I make my
living with these tools every day. I, in no way, consider Digidesign as
oppressive or abusing their power. Their power is strictly limited by the
market. If their gear didn't work, they wouldn't be around.

The sound quality differences to which you refer could exist for many
different reasons other than Pro Tools. Even Pro Tools can't save a poorly
wired, poorly designed or poorly operated facility. I'm not saying yours is
among those. I'm just making a point.

Regards,

Ty Ford



-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

Lorin David Schultz wrote:


I screwed-up a take and misplaced a file, but it was the result of a
mistake *I* made, not something wrong with the MBox or PT software.
That's what happens when you chat with the talent when you should really
be concentrating on what you're doing...


Thanks for you input. I think I will get the 002r myself and that will
give me 16 tracks using some of my other gear.

When I was able to say "Ampex" and
"Soundcraft" real potential clients were more interested in what else
I had and what I did.

And there were the Neve/Studer type clients who wouldn't book without that
combo.



---------------------------------------
"I know enough to know I don't know enough"

From: Ty Ford

I'll have to disagree with that position. My first DAW cost $46,000. That was

in 1991. The Digi 001 I bought about four years ago for $750 does more and
sounds better. The Digi 002 I bought last year sounds better than the Digi
001 and for has quite a few nice features that were added to the Digi 001's
impressive menu.

I now have the 001 and 002. I consider them real bargains.

I wasn't referring to the LE systems. Only the TDM based systems.



The idea that software and hardware integration is trivial, given the number
of systems out there today, is incorrect.


Ty, I didn't mean to imply that hw/sw integration was trivial. On the
contrary, I truly embrace the idea. It's exactly what I want in a DAW.


I certainly agree that Pro Tools is an investment in my future. I make my
living with these tools every day. I, in no way, consider Digidesign as
oppressive or abusing their power. Their power is strictly limited by the
market. If their gear didn't work, they wouldn't be around.

My point was that the market doesn't demand PT simply because it's a great
tool. There is demand for PT because "everybody's doing it." And this concept
is what helps create the high price for PT systems.


The sound quality differences to which you refer could exist for many
different reasons other than Pro Tools. Even Pro Tools can't save a poorly
wired, poorly designed or poorly operated facility.

I wasn't implying that the reason these particular studios sound bad is because
of PT. It's usually a case of poor engineering. I apologize for the
confusion.

I'm not saying yours is
among those. I'm just making a point.

Regards,

Ty Ford



-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

-John Vice
www.summertimestudios.com

My point was that the market doesn't demand PT simply because it's a great
tool. There is demand for PT because "everybody's doing it." And this concept
is what helps create the high price for PT systems.

You are implying that people who use pro tools are doing so only becasue other
use it? That's insulting.



---------------------------------------
"I know enough to know I don't know enough"

Danny wrote:
Geoff Wood wrote:


PT got to be the thing because it was the first system that worked
well. it isn't the best at all anymore but people don't know anything
but what they hear.

Same reason that NS-10s are the studio monitor of choice, and that creative
people only use Macs.

geoff

Chris! wrote:
the feel-good
factor of not supporting an autocratic company.


Digidesign is "a despotic ruler"? How do you figure?

They had the advantage of being first on the block. They contiued with the
locking of people into investing in their software AND hardware (arguably)
because of their restrictive business model rather than technical reasons.


geoff