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Copyrights for Movie Music.
Hi again,
My movie producer friend has me working on music for another movie. It's an action flick aimed at 15 year old boys, so they want real agro, high energy songs in the genre of Rage Against The Machine, Nine Inch Nails, etc. Agro punky or metal stuff could work, too. I'm writing the title song, but they also want around 30 short cues, pieces of songs probably 10 to 30 seconds long. Rather than writing and recording all those cue songs myself, I'd prefer to get finished recordings from other artists I know who specialize in those genres, and split the money with them. Basically I'd be acting as publisher; unfortunately I don't know diddley about publishing. So here's my question: How do I set up the publishing so we split all movie related money; the movie and TV royalties, video sales, possible soundtrack album, etc, without impinging on the artists' current publishing income, (if any), cd sales, radio, etc? Or is it an either/or type of scenario? I know if I were the artist, I wouldn't want to give away half my copyright just to get 25 seconds of a song in a movie which might or might not even be a hit. Is there a way to do this so it's good for everybody? Thanks as always for any advice. Cheers, Rick Novak. BTW, if any of y'all are working with some up and coming bands in these genres who'd be interested in having songs in the movie, shoot me an email. It needs to be fairly contemporary material though. I sold my studio in 1996 so everything from the bands I was working with back then is kind of dated now. R.N. |
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Copyrights for Movie Music.
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writing and recording all those cue songs myself, I'd prefer to get finished recordings from other artists I know who specialize in those genres, and split the money with them. I personally don't believe you should put it that way. You should take a music supervisor fee and then have the movie fols pay for the master and sync licenses for the cues. People won't like the split it with you concept IMO. Basically I'd be acting as publisher; unfortunately I don't know diddley about publishing. Why do you see this as acting as a publisher? How do I set up the publishing so we split all movie related money; the movie and TV royalties, video sales, possible soundtrack album, etc, without impinging on the artists' current publishing income, (if any), cd sales, radio, etc? This doesn't fall into a publishing umbrella in full. I know if I were the artist, I wouldn't want to give away half my copyright just to get 25 seconds of a song in a movie which might or might not even be a hit. They shouldn't give anything to you unless they are desperate for --------------------------------------- "I know enough to know I don't know enough" |
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How do I set up the publishing so we split all movie related money; the movie and TV royalties, video sales, possible soundtrack album, etc, without impinging on the artists' current publishing income, (if any), cd sales, radio, etc? Hire an entertainment lawyer, think about it, would you want somone who knows nothing about recording behind the mixer for your recordings and or your clients recordings? |
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you might wanna copy/cut and paste your story at : rec.music.makers.songwriting john "rickymix" schreef in bericht om... Hi again, My movie producer friend has me working on music for another movie. It's an action flick aimed at 15 year old boys, so they want real agro, high energy songs in the genre of Rage Against The Machine, Nine Inch Nails, etc. Agro punky or metal stuff could work, too. I'm writing the title song, but they also want around 30 short cues, pieces of songs probably 10 to 30 seconds long. Rather than writing and recording all those cue songs myself, I'd prefer to get finished recordings from other artists I know who specialize in those genres, and split the money with them. Basically I'd be acting as publisher; unfortunately I don't know diddley about publishing. So here's my question: How do I set up the publishing so we split all movie related money; the movie and TV royalties, video sales, possible soundtrack album, etc, without impinging on the artists' current publishing income, (if any), cd sales, radio, etc? Or is it an either/or type of scenario? I know if I were the artist, I wouldn't want to give away half my copyright just to get 25 seconds of a song in a movie which might or might not even be a hit. Is there a way to do this so it's good for everybody? Thanks as always for any advice. Cheers, Rick Novak. BTW, if any of y'all are working with some up and coming bands in these genres who'd be interested in having songs in the movie, shoot me an email. It needs to be fairly contemporary material though. I sold my studio in 1996 so everything from the bands I was working with back then is kind of dated now. R.N. |
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Copyrights for Movie Music.
rickymix wrote:
Rather than writing and recording all those cue songs myself, I'd prefer to get finished recordings from other artists who specialize in those genres, and split the money with them. (EggHd) wrote : I personally don't believe you should put it that way. You should take a music supervisor fee and then have the movie fols pay for the master and sync licenses for the cues. Hi Eggy et al, I guess I should have been more clear as to the small scale of this movie. It's like a 3 or 4 million dollar budget which will already be completely spent once they finish editing. Which is how I get my toe in the door; by providing them with music on credit, in effect. There's no budget left for, "music supervisor fees,...master and sync licenses", lawyers, etc. They're broke, probably over-budget already. All they have left to offer is possible royalties down the road. Which is fine with me and many others. People won't like the "split it with you" concept IMO. Last fall I did some songs like this for a little horror/comedy called "The Hazing" starring Brad Durroff and Brooke Burke. I co-wrote one song with Brian Holland's daughter Linda and another with a band I've produced called the Insect Surfers. We split everything per song equally amongst the people involved and everyone was thrilled just having their music in a movie. If we (hopefully) collect some royalties after the movie is released next Halloween it'll be icing on the cake. And if the flick turns out to be the next "Scary Movie" and we do make some serious money, that'll be great for everyone. It's just too small scale to argue about percentages, and I traditionally wind up doing the lion's share of the work anyways. BTW, that movie's producers weren't happy about having to deal with 2 publishing companies, mine and the "Insect's". They made us do everything under my company name, (Retarded Genius Publishing :), which only worked because the Insects and I and Linda are long-time personal friends and they trust me. I'm trying to figure out how to do this more properly this time around. Basically I'd be acting as publisher; unfortunately I don't know diddley about publishing. Why do you see this as acting as a publisher? I told you I didn't know diddley! I guess I call it publishing because I'm taking a piece of art and placing it somewhere where it can generate income for the artist and myself, which is what I had always assumed to be the role of a publisher. Am I incorrect? They shouldn't give anything to you unless they are desperate... There's a world full of musicians desparate to get their songs heard. And monitized! Including myself. No shame in that. And they're not "giving me" anything! I'm specifically asking how best to set this up so that they retain full rights to their music outside of what is earned through this movie. If it's too much of a headache doing these cues, the movie guys will just have to scrounge up the cash to buy some generic stuff from some song library. All I'm personally really interested in doing is the title song, not these cues. Eggy, I'm slightly hurt that you seem to be questioning my integrity. I thought you knew me better than that. Hopefully I'm just mis-interpreting your mis-interpretation. "I know enough to know I don't know enough" Me too, that's why I'm asking. :) Cheers, Rick. |
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