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The Federal Trade Commission (FTC) sent a warning letter to twelve Android app developers that they are violating the FTC Act by using technology that can surreptitiously listen to audio signals from TVs to create profiles of what their users are watching.

The twelve companies are using technology from SilverPush, an Indian-based company that claimed that its software doesn't target U.S. citizens. Silverpush's technology listens to embedded signals in television ads that are inaudible to humans, to discover who is seeing what ads.
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Anybody know of any inaudible embedded signals in TV audio?

I say this is BS and they are simply listening to the "audio" and using something similar to Shazam. And therefore they can "hear" any conversation in the room as well.

Gotta fight to keep your privacy these days.

Mark

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On Monday, March 21, 2016 at 9:39:13 AM UTC-4, wrote:
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/ftc...ing,31446.html

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The Federal Trade Commission (FTC) sent a warning letter to twelve Android app developers that they are violating the FTC Act by using technology that can surreptitiously listen to audio signals from TVs to create profiles of what their users are watching.

The twelve companies are using technology from SilverPush, an Indian-based company that claimed that its software doesn't target U.S. citizens. Silverpush's technology listens to embedded signals in television ads that are inaudible to humans, to discover who is seeing what ads.
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Anybody know of any inaudible embedded signals in TV audio?

I say this is BS and they are simply listening to the "audio" and using something similar to Shazam. And therefore they can "hear" any conversation in the room as well.

Gotta fight to keep your privacy these days.

Mark

here is a link to the BS
ultasonics through the TV audio...

BS
https://www.silverpush.co/#!/audio

Mark

[Scott Dorsey]

wrote:
Anybody know of any inaudible embedded signals in TV audio?

I say this is BS and they are simply listening to the "audio" and using som=
ething similar to Shazam. And therefore they can "hear" any conversation =
in the room as well.

Likely this works with tones that are stuck into the chain by means of
perceptual encoding so they are inaudible because they are masked by
other nearby sounds in the same critical band.

This is how the Arbitron portable people meter works for radio monitoring.
The main problem with the PPM is that because it relies on encoded material
in the airchain, it doesn't identify anyone listening to stations that don't
participate in the program the way the booklets did. If you've been listening
to your local college station, small town AM daytimer, or the BBC on longwave,
you can write it down in the book but the PPM won't catch it.

Gotta fight to keep your privacy these days.

If you're worried, and they offer you a PPM, you can decline.
--scott
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"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[John Williamson]

On 21/03/2016 13:57, Scott Dorsey wrote:

If you're worried, and they offer you a PPM, you can decline.

At least they're better for most jobs than VU...


--
Tciao for Now!

John.

[JackA]

On Monday, March 21, 2016 at 11:16:37 AM UTC-4, John Williamson wrote:
On 21/03/2016 13:57, Scott Dorsey wrote:

If you're worried, and they offer you a PPM, you can decline.

At least they're better for most jobs than VU...

Arbitron was sold to Nielsen, since PPM is worthless with earbuds!

http://historiccamdencounty.com/ccnews138_09_big.jpg

Jack


--
Tciao for Now!

John.

[JackA]

On Monday, March 21, 2016 at 9:39:13 AM UTC-4, wrote:
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/ftc...ing,31446.html

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The Federal Trade Commission (FTC) sent a warning letter to twelve Android app developers that they are violating the FTC Act by using technology that can surreptitiously listen to audio signals from TVs to create profiles of what their users are watching.

The twelve companies are using technology from SilverPush, an Indian-based company that claimed that its software doesn't target U.S. citizens. Silverpush's technology listens to embedded signals in television ads that are inaudible to humans, to discover who is seeing what ads.
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Anybody know of any inaudible embedded signals in TV audio?

I say this is BS and they are simply listening to the "audio" and using something similar to Shazam. And therefore they can "hear" any conversation in the room as well.

Gotta fight to keep your privacy these days.

Mark

I have a good idea, cable companies, like Comcast, monitors what you watch on TV and sell that information for profit.

As far as I'm concerned, FTC is dead.

Jack

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John Williamson wrote: "On 21/03/2016 13:57, Scott Dorsey wrote:

If you're worried, and they offer you a PPM, you can decline.

At least they're better for most jobs than VU...


--
Tciao for Now!

John. "


Trying to stir the pot, John?

Portable People - vs Peak Program Meter, eh?

Pay attention, JackA: Notice what slick Willie here
tried to do, and notice which context "PPM" is
used in this conversation: monitoring what people
are listening to.