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Dynaudio BM5 or BM6 for mixing????
Hi Group,
I need a pair of nearfield passive Mix monitors and I was wondering if anyone out there could help me decide if the Dynaudio BM6 is worth double the price of the BM5, and if so, what the difference is besides the fact that the tweeters and crossover points are a bit different..... Thanks. Ron Charles |
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Dynaudio BM5 or BM6 for mixing????
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"Ron Charles" wrote: Hi Group, I need a pair of nearfield passive Mix monitors and I was wondering if anyone out there could help me decide if the Dynaudio BM6 is worth double the price of the BM5, and if so, what the difference is besides the fact that the tweeters and crossover points are a bit different..... Thanks. Ron Charles Yes it is. No knock on the BM5, but the BM6 is a grade a monitor and perfect for me in any case. A friend has the BM5 nd they sound nice and he uses them for mixing, but itīs still a big difference. |
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Dynaudio BM5 or BM6 for mixing????
"Ron Charles" wrote in message
... I need a pair of nearfield passive Mix monitors and I was wondering if anyone out there could help me decide if the Dynaudio BM6 is worth double the price of the BM5, I've never heard the BM5 so I cannot really comment on those. I do have a pair BM6A and I think they are definitely worth their price. what the difference is besides the fact that the tweeters and crossover points are a bit different..... The tweeter in the BM6 is (IMO) the best part of the whole package! The rest is not bad but I've not heard another dome tweeter with this incredible amount of detail and precision withouth any harshness or listening fatigue. YMMV Sander |
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Dynaudio BM5 or BM6 for mixing????
"Ron Charles" skrev i en meddelelse
... Hi Group, I need a pair of nearfield passive Mix monitors and I was wondering if anyone out there could help me decide if the Dynaudio BM6 is worth double the price of the BM5, and if so, what the difference is besides the fact that the tweeters and crossover points are a bit different..... If you need a fork, don't by a hammer just because it's cheap If you are serious with your mix BM6A is what you need. BM5 is not a pro monitor.. But Mackie HR824 is also a good choise and priced around BM6A Thanks. Ron Charles |
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Dynaudio BM5 or BM6 for mixing????
Along the same lines... Is the BM6a worth twice the price of the BM6? I
already have a quality crown amp, is there THAT much of a difference having a custom built amp into the back of the speaker? Anyone with experience care to shed some light? I dont trust sales people Cheers ~Tor |
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Dynaudio BM5 or BM6 for mixing????
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"Catherine Gale" wrote: Along the same lines... Is the BM6a worth twice the price of the BM6? I already have a quality crown amp, is there THAT much of a difference having a custom built amp into the back of the speaker? Anyone with experience care to shed some light? I dont trust sales people Cheers ~Tor Depends how you look at it! If your amp is a good one, no big difference. I got the actives and love them. I didnīt have a decent amp and to be honest, itīs not cheaper to get the passives unless you own an amp. You will need to spend about the same as the bm6 on a decent amp, so its kind of even. Some people prefer the sound of the passives. I canīt find anything to complain about on the actives. They sound stunning. Also, plug and play is cool. No speaker cables and easy to move with you if you want to. PS: They are biamped, so you have an amp for the HF and an amp for the LF. In your case, assuming your amp is a good one, Iīd get the BM6 I love my BM6a though! Iīm sure I really cleared things up here ;-) David |
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Dynaudio BM5 or BM6 for mixing????
"Catherine Gale" wrote in message
... Along the same lines... Is the BM6a worth twice the price of the BM6? I already have a quality crown amp, is there THAT much of a difference having a custom built amp into the back of the speaker? IME Dynaudio speakers are very sensitive to the amp you're using them with. With some amps they seem to do miracles and outclass almost any speaker. With some other amps they sound mediocre. Not bad but not great (which they absolutely are capable of). I while ago I was listening to a lot of different speakers all on the same poweramp. There was a set of Dyn's and they were not bad at all but did not stand out between the others. Then we changed the poweramp for a different one and suddenly the Dyn's really stood out and were really in another leage than anything else. That really amazed me because both amps were very respectable very high quality. Try them with your amp to see how you like the combination. Compare them directly with a pair ov actives if you can. I never did that because I didn't have a suitable power amp and liked the actives a lot. Also I think it helps that it is biamped so the drivers and amps are directly connected, no passive crossover. YMMV but they can definitely be great monitors when used right. Sander |
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Dynaudio BM5 or BM6 for mixing????
"Ron Charles" wrote in message ...
Hi Group, I need a pair of nearfield passive Mix monitors and I was wondering if anyone out there could help me decide if the Dynaudio BM6 is worth double the price of the BM5, and if so, what the difference is besides the fact that the tweeters and crossover points are a bit different..... The BM5's are the cheapest speakers -- home or "pro" -- that Dynaudio makes. I haven't listened to them, but the tweeter doesn't look like a "real" (Esotec family) Dynaudio part. With that said, even cheap Dyn's are often better than others' rave-reviewed-in-trade-rags products. *cough* b&w *cough*. I can't see buying a Dynaudio without one of their "real" tweeters, though we might all be surprised. This *does* raise an interesting question, though: what is the difference between a BM6 (not A) and an Audience 52 from their "home" line besides the fact that the BM6 lacks a grille and adds tweeter bumpers? Audience 52's sell for a hundred or two less than BM6's, but the difference could easily be explained by lower production numbers for the "pro" version. It's also interesting that people work in megabuck recording rooms and think one of Dynaudio's cheapest speakers (BM6) is Grade A monitoring material. Me, I would want a coupla Contour 1.3SE's -- they cost less than a Big Name Vintage Mic, and they'd get used a lot more. What gives? -DrBoom |
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Dynaudio BM5 or BM6 for mixing????
David Morley wrote in message ...
In article , (tony espinoza) wrote: i will point out that if you decide to go with speakers as small as the BM6, you should think about adding a sub. i just heard a project in here today that was initially mixed on BM6A's with no sub -- it was obvious that this really great mixer was adding/preserving way too much low end (100Hz and below) because he just couldn't hear what was really going on down there. -tE Then he was doing it wrong ;-) oh, i don't know. he's won a few grammys doing it this way. it's just been extra work for his mastering engineer to deal with really. now that he's got the sub, his mastering engineer has the easiest job in the world. Itīs a question of being used to what you have. They are nearfields after all not main monitors. i don't agree. you can't hear what you can't hear. little speakers like BM6's just don't produce the lowest frequencies and if you can get them from placement in the room then what you're hearing is not at all accurate. that said, it does depnd on what kind of music you're working on. if the only low end you need to think about is a sampled 808 kick drum, then you know where that goes and you know how to deal with it -- you may not even need to hear it. if you're mixing a bunch of microphones from live recordings it sure does help to have a monitoring system that includes the lower octave. it's obvious when a mixer is working without enough info around 100Hz. i think it also distracts people from getting the mids right because they over boost stuff on the bottom. Also, they need careful placement. When I first got mine I felt there was not much real low down, but placement made the world of difference. definitely. on my console, the BM15A's sound best (and measure most accurate) upside down with the woofer on top. I think they give a great overall balance and they have the nicest mid and high end Iīve heard. Occasionally I would like to have the BM15 for extra oomph but much prefer the midrange on the BM6. yeah, for mids i like the NS10's. i've found they're shockingly flat in the very middle, and they don't have all that super hi fi sound of thet dynaudios which can really help keep me focused on sorting out the mids. there's so much beautiful lush sound coming out of the dynaudios i can get lost chasing after stuff that doesn't matter. -tE SAN FRANCISCO SOUNDWORKS www.sfsoundworks.com 415.503.1110 vox __________________________________________________ ____________ Introducing the only SSL 9000 mix room in Northern California |
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Dynaudio BM5 or BM6 for mixing????
Ah, the old grammy argument.
sorry david - my only point was that he definitely "knows what he's doing." No I donīt have a grammy but Iīve mixed stuff no one else could and I did it on my BM6aīs in my room and have never had a problem with low end. I think youīll find there is plenty of info in a BM6a at 100hz. Iīd be more worried about whatīs below 40hz to be honest. oh, true true - i think it's somewhere around 100Hz and certainly below. Are we arguing chalk and cheese here? Huge amounts of low end arenīt what I look for in nearfields. Normal low end I can hear on my BM6aīs. I find it hard to believe that a grammy winning engineer handed a mix over to a mastering engineer where he was "adding/preserving way too much bottom end" Didnīt he check on another system? No main monitors? Boom Box? boom boxes aren't a useful compliment to near fields in the bass department. unless you're thinking of the maxed out bass tone control or "hyper-bass" button on those things. the fact is that a lot of people working in project studios only have near fields. he's done a lot of mixes on his BM6's and they've done well. this was a case where there was more low end do to live stand up bass and a few other things that were really well tracked at a higher sampling rate. these days, a lot of great producers are doing their own mixing, that's the case here. so he wasn't in a big facility with mains (although most mains are pretty useless for mixing anyway). Also, what this has to do with BM6a is beyond me as surely all monitors of this size have the same situation, no? good question since this is really the only point i wanted to contribute to the thread --- i use the BM15's because they have the lower octave, sure the mids aren't as sweet but i'd rather have more info. they measure relatively flat to 50Hz and at least have something down to 40Hz. -tE Tony Espinoza SAN FRANCISCO SOUNDWORKS www.sfsoundworks.com 415.503.1110 vox __________________________________________________ ___ Introducing the only SSL 9000 mix room in Northern California |
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Dynaudio BM5 or BM6 for mixing????
Am Dienstag, 15. Juli 2003 10:50:52 UTC+2 schrieb Jesper Buch:
"Ron Charles" skrev i en meddelelse ... Hi Group, I need a pair of nearfield passive Mix monitors and I was wondering if anyone out there could help me decide if the Dynaudio BM6 is worth double the price of the BM5, and if so, what the difference is besides the fact that the tweeters and crossover points are a bit different..... If you need a fork, don't by a hammer just because it's cheap If you are serious with your mix BM6A is what you need. BM5 is not a pro monitor.. But Mackie HR824 is also a good choise and priced around BM6A Thanks. Ron Charles So BM5 is not a pro monitor, but the Mackie are? |
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Dynaudio BM5 or BM6 for mixing????
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wrote: Am Dienstag, 15. Juli 2003 10:50:52 UTC+2 schrieb Jesper Buch: "Ron Charles" skrev i en meddelelse ... Hi Group, I need a pair of nearfield passive Mix monitors and I was wondering if anyone out there could help me decide if the Dynaudio BM6 is worth double the price of the BM5, and if so, what the difference is besides the fact that the tweeters and crossover points are a bit different..... If you need a fork, don't by a hammer just because it's cheap If you are serious with your mix BM6A is what you need. BM5 is not a pro monitor.. But Mackie HR824 is also a good choise and priced around BM6A Thanks. Ron Charles So BM5 is not a pro monitor, but the Mackie are? Well, you're replying to a 15-year-old post. And back then, the HR824 was something of a miracle... it came from Mackie but it was remarkably clean and didn't honk. I don't think Mackie has managed to make any monitor anywhere near as good since then. I suspect the BM5 is too delicate to be a pro monitor. The number one requirement of a professional monitor, even more than sonic accuracy, is that it doesn't blow up when you mispatch a cable somewhere. The most accurate monitor in the world doesn't help you when it fails in the middle of a session because someone unmuted the wrong thing on the console. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Dynaudio BM5 or BM6 for mixing????
Mike Rivers wrote: "What's a "pro monitor?" "
If a product has the word "Pro" on it, it's just advertising. Serious professional sound equipment, for the recording or live sound sectors, doesn't need to have "Pro" stenciled on it. Same goes for anything labeled "Collectors Edition". The Star Wars toys issued in the late 1970s didn't have "Collectible" printed on the boxes they came in, did they? |
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