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sony subwoofers overrated?
I don't believe that for the price the sony subwoofer can really handle
500Wrms. Anyone have experience with these woofers? All the sony subs seem to be so cheap and still they claim "extreme performance" |
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sony subwoofers overrated?
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-- ------------------------------------------------------------- 2002 GMC Sonoma ZQ8 SLS Step-Side Extended Cab - 4.3L Vortec / 4L60E Is sex dirty? Only if it's done right. -Woody Allen "Johan Wagener" wrote in message ... I don't believe that for the price the sony subwoofer can really handle 500Wrms. Anyone have experience with these woofers? All the sony subs seem to be so cheap and still they claim "extreme performance" |
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sony subwoofers overrated?
Why don't you believe it? Have you tried it? I have, in numerous cars and
they'll take a solid 500 watts all day long. Now if you start clipping the **** out of a 500 watt amp (which happens a lot) then you run into trouble and is probably where the misconception about how much power they'll handle comes from. I used to demo them all the time off a Kicker ZR1000 with no problems. Paul Vina "Johan Wagener" wrote in message ... I don't believe that for the price the sony subwoofer can really handle 500Wrms. Anyone have experience with these woofers? All the sony subs seem to be so cheap and still they claim "extreme performance" |
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sony subwoofers overrated?
why???
"Supernoma" om wrote in message ... Remove a zero. -- ------------------------------------------------------------- 2002 GMC Sonoma ZQ8 SLS Step-Side Extended Cab - 4.3L Vortec / 4L60E Is sex dirty? Only if it's done right. -Woody Allen "Johan Wagener" wrote in message ... I don't believe that for the price the sony subwoofer can really handle 500Wrms. Anyone have experience with these woofers? All the sony subs seem to be so cheap and still they claim "extreme performance" |
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sony subwoofers overrated?
Taking what Paul has stated.... I don't care if it's a Jello Audio, Sony,
ID, DD or Treo Sub.... You send a distorted "clipped" signal to any sub, speaker for a decent amount of time, you'll fry said sub or speaker,..... Then, If you're a dumbass (see Supernoma's post) you'll start making claims on RAC that the speaker is a POS, when in reality, you didn't set up your system correctly cause your some kinda dumbass (see Supernoma's post) that would believe a sony sub couldn't handle 500watts.... FHLH.... pointing out stupidity, one post at a time. "Paul Vina" wrote in message news:NllMb.28882$xy6.73584@attbi_s02... Why don't you believe it? Have you tried it? I have, in numerous cars and they'll take a solid 500 watts all day long. Now if you start clipping the **** out of a 500 watt amp (which happens a lot) then you run into trouble and is probably where the misconception about how much power they'll handle comes from. I used to demo them all the time off a Kicker ZR1000 with no problems. Paul Vina "Johan Wagener" wrote in message ... I don't believe that for the price the sony subwoofer can really handle 500Wrms. Anyone have experience with these woofers? All the sony subs seem to be so cheap and still they claim "extreme performance" |
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sony subwoofers overrated?
Although they are next in line to be upgraded I have been verry happy
with my 900w L1236. I bought them before I ever stepped foot into any forum. They are in a fiberglass box that I built with 1 cube each sealed and about 50% polyfill. I run them off a lanzar 1000w amplifier @2ohms. The rest of my system has been built for SQ since I started reading and learning but I metered 140.2 and 142 at 2 different times with these! I drive alot for my job and I pound them pretty hard for about 3 hours a day for 1.5 years now. Still in great shape. |
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sony subwoofers overrated?
How good is the quality bass that the sony pentagonal extreme performance
sub produce (compared to subs like ample, pioneer, earthquake, ect.) I am not looking for SPL. I can't hear the subs before I buy them "Paul Vina" wrote in message news:NllMb.28882$xy6.73584@attbi_s02... Why don't you believe it? Have you tried it? I have, in numerous cars and they'll take a solid 500 watts all day long. Now if you start clipping the **** out of a 500 watt amp (which happens a lot) then you run into trouble and is probably where the misconception about how much power they'll handle comes from. I used to demo them all the time off a Kicker ZR1000 with no problems. Paul Vina "Johan Wagener" wrote in message ... I don't believe that for the price the sony subwoofer can really handle 500Wrms. Anyone have experience with these woofers? All the sony subs seem to be so cheap and still they claim "extreme performance" |
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sony subwoofers overrated?
Taking what Paul has stated.... I don't care if it's a Jello Audio, Sony,
ID, DD or Treo Sub.... You send a distorted "clipped" signal to any sub, speaker for a decent amount of time, you'll fry said sub or speaker,..... No you won't. I've driven a JL 12w3, polk dB6510, mb quart 5" driver, and a couple others with a SEVERELY clipped signal and they're still alive to tell about it. There is only one way to "blow" a speaker: delivering more power to it than it can handle. |
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sony subwoofers overrated?
i heard some of those last week and i was impressed with the sound quality.
listen to them yourself though. "Johan Wagener" wrote in message ... How good is the quality bass that the sony pentagonal extreme performance sub produce (compared to subs like ample, pioneer, earthquake, ect.) I am not looking for SPL. I can't hear the subs before I buy them "Paul Vina" wrote in message news:NllMb.28882$xy6.73584@attbi_s02... Why don't you believe it? Have you tried it? I have, in numerous cars and they'll take a solid 500 watts all day long. Now if you start clipping the **** out of a 500 watt amp (which happens a lot) then you run into trouble and is probably where the misconception about how much power they'll handle comes from. I used to demo them all the time off a Kicker ZR1000 with no problems. Paul Vina "Johan Wagener" wrote in message ... I don't believe that for the price the sony subwoofer can really handle 500Wrms. Anyone have experience with these woofers? All the sony subs seem to be so cheap and still they claim "extreme performance" |
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sony subwoofers overrated?
"fhlh002" wrote in message ... Taking what Paul has stated.... I don't care if it's a Jello Audio, Sony, ID, DD or Treo Sub.... You send a distorted "clipped" signal to any sub, speaker for a decent amount of time, you'll fry said sub or speaker,..... Then, If you're a dumbass (see Supernoma's post) you'll start making claims on RAC that the speaker is a POS, when in reality, you didn't set up your system correctly cause your some kinda dumbass (see Supernoma's post) that would believe a sony sub couldn't handle 500watts.... Yep. I agree 100%. I've fried speakers with clipped signals on purpose just to prove that it can be done. Some idiot tried to tell me it was impossible to blow a speaker with a clipped, overdriven amp. I asked him why he is arguing every speaker and amp manufacturer out there and dared him to let me try to blow his subs since it was 'impossible' according to him. Needless to say after being shown the facts he backed away. |
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sony subwoofers overrated?
Yep. I agree 100%. I've fried speakers with clipped signals on purpose
just to prove that it can be done. How do you know you weren't doing it with too much power? Some idiot tried to tell me it was impossible to blow a speaker with a clipped, overdriven amp. I asked him why he is arguing every speaker and amp manufacturer out there Why are you arguing against a reputable company like Rane? |
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sony subwoofers overrated?
Yep. I agree 100%. I've fried speakers with clipped signals on purpose just
to prove that it can be done. Some idiot tried to tell me it was impossible to blow a speaker with a clipped, overdriven amp. I asked him why he is arguing every speaker and amp manufacturer out there and dared him to let me try to blow his subs since it was 'impossible' according to him. Needless to say after being shown the facts he backed away. What facts are you claiming????? A clipped overdriven amp will blow a speaker IF and ONLY IF it exceeds the true power handling capabilities of the speaker. We have been though this before Pugsly, do we have to get into it again? The clipping and overdriving itself does not inheretly blow a speaker, but the extra power generated by it can potentially damage the driver. Since you reading skills are lacking let me clarify it, it might be able to but IF AND ONLY IF it exceeds the power handling of the driver. Les Sorry for saying the same thing twice guys but puggy is a complete idiot and would not understand without added clarification. Les |
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sony subwoofers overrated?
"Soundfreak03" wrote in message ... Yep. I agree 100%. I've fried speakers with clipped signals on purpose just to prove that it can be done. Some idiot tried to tell me it was impossible to blow a speaker with a clipped, overdriven amp. I asked him why he is arguing every speaker and amp manufacturer out there and dared him to let me try to blow his subs since it was 'impossible' according to him. Needless to say after being shown the facts he backed away. What facts are you claiming????? A clipped overdriven amp will blow a speaker IF and ONLY IF it exceeds the true power handling capabilities of the speaker. We have been though this before Pugsly, do we have to get into it again? The clipping and overdriving itself does not inheretly blow a speaker, but the extra power generated by it can potentially damage the driver. Since you reading skills are lacking let me clarify it, it might be able to but IF AND ONLY IF it exceeds the power handling of the driver. Hey, don't complain to me. Go complain the amp and speaker companies. I don't want to hear your trollish ramblings. Go on..shoo! |
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sony subwoofers overrated?
Hey, don't complain to me. Go complain the amp and speaker companies. I
don't want to hear your trollish ramblings. Go on..shoo! Not complaining. Just stating a FACT!!!! Check out Rane.com, there one of the leading manufactures in Pro audio, or check out Meyersound.com, one of the leader speaker manufactures in the world. They both say the same thing I do. Oh and so does every physics book. Do you deny that what I said it true? Les |
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sony subwoofers overrated?
Soft clipping
But, I've burnt more speakers underpowering them (clipping) than with too much.... so I'm speaking from my experience. FHLH.... "Mark Zarella" wrote in message ... Taking what Paul has stated.... I don't care if it's a Jello Audio, Sony, ID, DD or Treo Sub.... You send a distorted "clipped" signal to any sub, speaker for a decent amount of time, you'll fry said sub or speaker,..... No you won't. I've driven a JL 12w3, polk dB6510, mb quart 5" driver, and a couple others with a SEVERELY clipped signal and they're still alive to tell about it. There is only one way to "blow" a speaker: delivering more power to it than it can handle. |
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sony subwoofers overrated?
What we're saying is that it's not the clipping that kills the speaker.
Hell, the speakers in my laptop only ever see a clipped signal and they still work fine. It's not simply the fact that you clipped the amp that does it. You have to be close enough to the power handling limit of the driver already that the clipping pushed the power the speaker sees past it's thermal (read: power handling) limits. Then, and only then, will you kill that speaker. I'll bet you my car that if you took a 50 watt amp and clipped the holy hell out of it into my IDMAX it would take it all day long. Paul Vina "fhlh002" wrote in message ... Soft clipping But, I've burnt more speakers underpowering them (clipping) than with too much.... so I'm speaking from my experience. FHLH.... "Mark Zarella" wrote in message ... Taking what Paul has stated.... I don't care if it's a Jello Audio, Sony, ID, DD or Treo Sub.... You send a distorted "clipped" signal to any sub, speaker for a decent amount of time, you'll fry said sub or speaker,..... No you won't. I've driven a JL 12w3, polk dB6510, mb quart 5" driver, and a couple others with a SEVERELY clipped signal and they're still alive to tell about it. There is only one way to "blow" a speaker: delivering more power to it than it can handle. |
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sony subwoofers overrated?
Soft clipping
But, I've burnt more speakers underpowering them (clipping) than with too much.... so I'm speaking from my experience. I think you're mistaking power ratings with real world power output. It's physically impossible to overheat a voice coil without providing enough power to that voice coil to allow the temperature to rise to dangerous levels. This is the law of energy conservation. What I suspect happened is that you drove the amp into clipping so severely that the power delivered by the amp to the speaker was too much for the speaker to be able to handle. But if you were to deliver the same amount of power to the speaker with any other kind of signal you want (pick one), the same results would have occurred. |
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sony subwoofers overrated?
"Johan Wagener" wrote in message ...
I don't believe that for the price the sony subwoofer can really handle 500Wrms. Anyone have experience with these woofers? All the sony subs seem to be so cheap and still they claim "extreme performance" they don't call 'em 'xplods' for nothing. |
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sony subwoofers overrated?
they don't call 'em 'xplods' for nothing.
Anyone in here remember the guy who came in a couple years ago talking about how great the sub that lit up was? You know, the Sony one that had a light bulb built into it. |
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sony subwoofers overrated?
Anyone in here remember the guy who came in a couple years ago talking about
how great the sub that lit up was? You know, the Sony one that had a light bulb built into it. Haha I actually remember that guy Mark. Was quite a long thread if I recall. Nick |
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sony subwoofers overrated?
I still stand behind the thought that it isn't the sub that matters as much
as the install. I've heard Sony's sound great with a good install and last forever, I've alos seen them sound like crap with ****ty install and die quickly, same can be said for any sub though. For the price of those polygonal Sony's I've seen they'd be very much worth purchasing as an inexpensive first system, or perhaps one to get by with in the mean time. If it weren't for my previous experience with Infinity and the deal I got on 2 10" references I may have got some Sony's. "Johan Wagener" wrote in message ... I don't believe that for the price the sony subwoofer can really handle 500Wrms. Anyone have experience with these woofers? All the sony subs seem to be so cheap and still they claim "extreme performance" |
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sony subwoofers overrated?
everyone is right in a way. Overpowering a speaker will blow it and a
clipped/distorted power will will blow a speaker as well. My understanding is that energy is heat and that when you heavily clip and/or distort a signal the AMP can fry, right? so while an amp is distorting/cliping it is creating extra heat, more heat than the amp itself can handle but there non the less. I am probably wrong but just thought i would throw it out there -- sl2perfect ------------------------------------------------------------------------ CarAudioForum.com - Usenet Gateway w/over one million posts online! View this thread: http://www.caraudioforum.com/showthr...hreadid=172074 |
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sony subwoofers overrated?
everyone is right in a way. Overpowering a speaker will blow it and a
clipped/distorted power will will blow a speaker as well. My understanding is that energy is heat and that when you heavily clip and/or distort a signal the AMP can fry, right? so while an amp is distorting/cliping it is creating extra heat, more heat than the amp itself can handle but there non the less. I am probably wrong but just thought i would throw it out there No, you're pretty much right. Some amps, however, can handle the extra heat better than others. |
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sony subwoofers overrated?
everyone is right in a way. Overpowering a speaker will blow it and a
clipped/distorted power will will blow a speaker as well. My understanding is that energy is heat and that when you heavily clip and/or distort a signal the AMP can fry, right? so while an amp is distorting/cliping it is creating extra heat, more heat than the amp itself can handle but there non the less. I am probably wrong but just thought i would throw it out there -- Pretty much, but it is important to note that the clipping did not blow the speaker, but because of the clipping more power was delivered than the speaker could handle. Les |
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