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Vintage Shure 55c, trouble getting good sound quality
Hello,
I am looking for mic help! I just bought a vintage Shure 55c high impedance microphone, a new vintage style 7' cable (3-pin amphenol to 1/4"), and a 1/4" to XLR transformer from radio shack. I have connected it to several different sound boards but struggle to get good sound quality. Everything sounds muffled, like the bass is missing perhaps. I purchased it on ebay, and the seller said the sound quality was "amazing", though he said he tested it on a ham rig, and I don't know much about that. I've been doing tons of research about impedance matching, and I made sure to buy the right cables and all that, and yet I can't get this thing to work the way I had hoped. I've posted a sample that I recorded at a radio station I work at. Please take a listen and let me know what you think. http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...05960483515961 Is it broken? Is it just old? Could I be wiring it wrong? Thanks for all your help, Adam |
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Peter Larsen wrote:
wrote: Hello, I am looking for mic help! I just bought a vintage Shure 55c high impedance microphone, a new vintage style 7' cable (3-pin amphenol to 1/4"), and a 1/4" to XLR transformer from radio shack. I have connected it to several different sound boards but struggle to get good sound quality. Everything sounds muffled, like the bass is missing perhaps. Muffled is usually used for missing treble, sharp for missing bass. High impedance .... high impedance ... high impedance ..... there could be a message here. Is it broken? Is it just old? Could I be wiring it wrong? You need a suitable transformer or to try it in an instrument input. Sennheiser made some cable trannies for this once upon a time .... there are probably inline transformers that fit into an XLR barrel on the market nowadays. Note the wording "suitable transformer". Adam Kind regards Peter Larsen |
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On Dec 31, 12:22 am, wrote:
I just bought a vintage Shure 55c high impedance microphone, a new vintage style 7' cable (3-pin amphenol to 1/4"), and a 1/4" to XLR transformer from radio shack. I have connected it to several different sound boards but struggle to get good sound quality. Everything sounds muffled, like the bass is missing perhaps. "Muffled" usually means lacking treble rather than lacking bass. Given the setup, and the fact that the Shure 55C is supposed to have a "vintage" and band-limited sound, it's simply not supposed to sound very good. Is this a real 55C from the 1940s, or the modern version? If it's an old one, goodness knows what it's been through. Just look at the frequency response of it when it was new and you'll see that it starts to go to pot beyond the speech range (200 Hz to 3.5 kHz roughly). http://www.shure.com/stellent/groups...pro_55a_ug.pdf The fact that you have the high impedance version and you're going through a crummy transformer only makes things worse. Enjoy the vintage sound or get yourself a more modern microphone. I was given a couple of those mics (though the low impedance version) and after deciding that I'd never use them for anything but a prop, I put them on the "future projects" pile. I'm planning to mount them on a nice looking piece of wood and making them into a hat rack. |
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On Dec 31, 9:33 am, Mike Rivers wrote:
On Dec 31, 12:22 am, wrote: I just bought a vintage Shure 55c high impedance microphone, a new vintage style 7' cable (3-pin amphenol to 1/4"), and a 1/4" to XLR transformer from radio shack. I have connected it to several different sound boards but struggle to get good sound quality. Everything sounds muffled, like the bass is missing perhaps. "Muffled" usually means lacking treble rather than lacking bass. Given the setup, and the fact that the Shure 55C is supposed to have a "vintage" and band-limited sound, it's simply not supposed to sound very good. Is this a real 55C from the 1940s, or the modern version? If it's an old one, goodness knows what it's been through. Just look at the frequency response of it when it was new and you'll see that it starts to go to pot beyond the speech range (200 Hz to 3.5 kHz roughly). http://www.shure.com/stellent/groups...b_ug/documents... The fact that you have the high impedance version and you're going through a crummy transformer only makes things worse. Enjoy the vintage sound or get yourself a more modern microphone. I was given a couple of those mics (though the low impedance version) and after deciding that I'd never use them for anything but a prop, I put them on the "future projects" pile. I'm planning to mount them on a nice looking piece of wood and making them into a hat rack. It's a real 55c, and the element is just probably too old. Basically, I was hoping I could get a decent sounding mic that might provide something usable once or twice for a radio broadcast. I don't have a high impedance crystal amplifier, though it did work a little better on a guitar amp. Thanks for the help, Adam |
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wrote:
I am looking for mic help! I just bought a vintage Shure 55c high impedance microphone, a new vintage style 7' cable (3-pin amphenol to 1/4"), and a 1/4" to XLR transformer from radio shack. I have connected it to several different sound boards but struggle to get good sound quality. Everything sounds muffled, like the bass is missing perhaps. Yes, those mikes are that way. I purchased it on ebay, and the seller said the sound quality was "amazing", though he said he tested it on a ham rig, and I don't know much about that. I've been doing tons of research about impedance matching, and I made sure to buy the right cables and all that, and yet I can't get this thing to work the way I had hoped. The old 55 has no top end, no bottom end, and the pattern is just godawful. It is far worse than the SM-57 as a PA mike because the gain before feedback is just awful. I've posted a sample that I recorded at a radio station I work at. Please take a listen and let me know what you think. http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...05960483515961 Is it broken? Is it just old? Could I be wiring it wrong? No, they sounded awful when they were new too. You might try an active DI box to reduce the load on the thing, but don't expect it to sound as good as an SM-57. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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On Dec 31, 9:47 am, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
wrote: I am looking for mic help! I just bought a vintage Shure 55c high impedance microphone, a new vintage style 7' cable (3-pin amphenol to 1/4"), and a 1/4" to XLR transformer from radio shack. I have connected it to several different sound boards but struggle to get good sound quality. Everything sounds muffled, like the bass is missing perhaps. Yes, those mikes are that way. I purchased it on ebay, and the seller said the sound quality was "amazing", though he said he tested it on a ham rig, and I don't know much about that. I've been doing tons of research about impedance matching, and I made sure to buy the right cables and all that, and yet I can't get this thing to work the way I had hoped. The old 55 has no top end, no bottom end, and the pattern is just godawful. It is far worse than the SM-57 as a PA mike because the gain before feedback is just awful. I've posted a sample that I recorded at a radio station I work at. Please take a listen and let me know what you think. http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...05960483515961 Is it broken? Is it just old? Could I be wiring it wrong? No, they sounded awful when they were new too. You might try an active DI box to reduce the load on the thing, but don't expect it to sound as good as an SM-57. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." Yeah, that's what I was afraid of. It's just a crummy old mic. It's beautiful though so I took it today to music repair man to see about updating the internal mic parts. I know it will no longer be a vintage mic, but a decent mic in that chrome frame is all i really want anyway, and I don't really intend to resell it. Thank you all for your help! Adam |
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Yeah, that's what I was afraid of. It's just a crummy old mic. It's beautiful though so I took it today to music repair man to see about updating the internal mic parts. I know it will no longer be a vintage mic, but a decent mic in that chrome frame is all i really want anyway, and I don't really intend to resell it. It won't be. You can put an SM-57 capsule behind that grille, and what you will get won't have anything to do with the SM-57 pattern. The grille is going to screw up any element you put behind it. There is a reason modern microphones don't look like that, and it's not just style. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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On Dec 31, 4:24 pm, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
wrote: Yeah, that's what I was afraid of. It's just a crummy old mic. It's beautiful though so I took it today to music repair man to see about updating the internal mic parts. I know it will no longer be a vintage mic, but a decent mic in that chrome frame is all i really want anyway, and I don't really intend to resell it. It won't be. You can put an SM-57 capsule behind that grille, and what you will get won't have anything to do with the SM-57 pattern. The grille is going to screw up any element you put behind it. There is a reason modern microphones don't look like that, and it's not just style. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." What if used a bullet microphone, like the Shure 520DX? It also has a grill. I'm looking for average (but modern) sound, not top of the line. Do you think it's possible? |
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On Dec 31, 6:44 pm, wrote:
What if used a bullet microphone, like the Shure 520DX? It also has a grill. It's good for playing blues harmonica into a guitar amplifier. Is this for television? If not, who cares what the mic looks like? Have you looked at the Heil Fin or Heritage models? They're cool looking and at least they're modern designs so they won't make you sound so much like a taxi cab dispatcher. http://www.heilsound.com/pro/products/fin/index.htm http://www.heilsound.com/pro/product...tage/index.htm |
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"OFFICIAL RAM BLUEBOOK VALUATION" wrote ...
I purchased it on ebay, and the seller said the sound quality was "amazing", though he said he tested it on a ham rig, and I don't know much about that. I've been doing tons of research about impedance matching, and I made sure to buy the right cables and all that, and yet I can't get this thing to work the way I had hoped. You've been scammed, probably by Brian McCarty. Which, of course, is hilarious since this message was posted my Mr. McCarty in yet another of his silly impersonations. Move along, nothing interesting to see here. |
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