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** MIT's most famous audio guru has passed.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/13/business/amar-g-bose-acoustic-engineer-and-inventor-dies-at-83.html?_r=0


Nice obit article - shame so much of it is nonsense.

Amar and his infamous BOSE Corporation were responsible for some of the
most egregiously wrong headed audio drivel and absurd loudspeakers ever to
be misconstrued as clever and inventive.

" Sell the sizzle, rather than the sausage" could have been their motto,
right from day one.

Mark Antony said: " The evil that men do lives after them ... "

So thank god most examples of the Bose 901 and its many relatives are
already
dead and buried.

BTW:

L. Ron Hubbard and Amar Bose are alike - both became famous and wealthy
after starting new religions in the USA.



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On Saturday, July 13, 2013 11:09:21 AM UTC-4, Phil Allison wrote:
** MIT's most famous audio guru has passed.



http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/13/business/amar-g-bose-acoustic-engineer-and-inventor-dies-at-83.html?_r=0





Nice obit article - shame so much of it is nonsense.



Amar and his infamous BOSE Corporation were responsible for some of the

most egregiously wrong headed audio drivel and absurd loudspeakers ever to

be misconstrued as clever and inventive.



" Sell the sizzle, rather than the sausage" could have been their motto,

right from day one.



Mark Antony said: " The evil that men do lives after them ... "



So thank god most examples of the Bose 901 and its many relatives are

already

dead and buried.



BTW:



L. Ron Hubbard and Amar Bose are alike - both became famous and wealthy

after starting new religions in the USA.







... Phil


Why do you think that 901 was not a capable product? I don't care for the rest of the plastic junk he produced, AND people actually bought it at astronomical prices...RIP.
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On 14/07/2013 3:21 AM, wrote:
On Saturday, July 13, 2013 11:09:21 AM UTC-4, Phil Allison wrote:
** MIT's most famous audio guru has passed.



http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/13/business/amar-g-bose-acoustic-engineer-and-inventor-dies-at-83.html?_r=0







Nice obit article - shame so much of it is nonsense.



Amar and his infamous BOSE Corporation were responsible for some of
the

most egregiously wrong headed audio drivel and absurd loudspeakers
ever to

be misconstrued as clever and inventive.



" Sell the sizzle, rather than the sausage" could have been their
motto,

right from day one.



Mark Antony said: " The evil that men do lives after them ... "



So thank god most examples of the Bose 901 and its many relatives
are

already

dead and buried.



BTW:



L. Ron Hubbard and Amar Bose are alike - both became famous and
wealthy

after starting new religions in the USA.







... Phil


Why do you think that 901 was not a capable product? I don't care for
the rest of the plastic junk he produced, AND people actually bought
it at astronomical prices...RIP.


**The 901 was based on a (very highly) flawed premise. Bose assumed
(quite rightly) that most of the sound reaching a listener in a confined
space was reflected sound. He failed to take account of:

1) The size of the space.
2) The reverberant nature of different spaces.
3) Outdoor recordings.
4) The fact that live recordings already possess the reverberant nature
of the space within that recording.

Bose still have the 901 on their price lists. Sales are pitifully tiny
around the planet, but for Bose to remove the product would be an
admission that would shatter the bull**** that their entire product line
is built on (in Mexico).

More interesting is to troll through Bose's patents. The US patent
system is so weak that Bose was able to secure a patent based on work
done by KEF (compound enclosures) and Prof. Bailey (transmission line
enclosures aka: Acoustic Wave™). In both cases, no patent office on the
planet (except the US one) would have allowed such blatant use

What else?

How about Bose's consistent reluctance to pay royalties to Dolby, thus
ensuring that their early surround sound products were utterly
incompatible with industry standards?

Bose's consistent attempts to build the cheapest possible products and
sell at the highest possible prices (see if you can buy Bose at a
GENUINE discount sometime) is a recipe for large profits, at the expense
of decent sound quality.



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Phil Allison wrote:

** MIT's most famous audio guru has passed.


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/13/business/amar-g-bose-acoustic-engineer-and-inventor-dies-at-83.html?_r=0


Nice obit article - shame so much of it is nonsense.

Amar and his infamous BOSE Corporation were responsible for some of
the most egregiously wrong headed audio drivel and absurd loudspeakers
ever to be misconstrued as clever and inventive.

" Sell the sizzle, rather than the sausage" could have been their
motto, right from day one.

Mark Antony said: " The evil that men do lives after them ... "

So thank god most examples of the Bose 901 and its many relatives
are already dead and buried.

BTW:

L. Ron Hubbard and Amar Bose are alike - both became famous and
wealthy after starting new religions in the USA.



**The 901 was based on a (very highly) flawed premise. Bose assumed (quite
rightly) that most of the sound reaching a listener in a confined space
was reflected sound. He failed to take account of:

1) The size of the space.
2) The reverberant nature of different spaces.
3) Outdoor recordings.
4) The fact that live recordings already possess the reverberant nature of
the space within that recording.


** Don't think the design was based on any scientific premise - just that
Amar liked his reproduced sound bouncing all over the place in a very live
room and found others did too. He was an audio philistine of the highest
order.

Amar first tried to make a spherical, omni-directional speaker that was
quite impractical - so a small, 5 sided box with 9 drivers was the
outcome. 9 x 8ohm drivers in series parallel gives 8ohms again, so one had
to go on the front as a token gesture to stereo imaging.

901s were cheap as chips to make but needed a whole lot of EQ at high and
low frequencies - this is where the real design flaws began. Each puny 4.5
inch driver had less than 3 litres of box volume, so resonance went up to
140Hz. Driving a speaker well below system resonance requires a lot of extra
power - 901s used 18dB worth of fit, which is an absurdity. When played at
a decent volume, the intermodulation that goes on in such a contraption is
appalling.

Treble boost was similarly very large, cos the cheap paper cone drivers used
had no tops without it. They simply had no quality with it.

Plus 901s HAD to be used in a largish room and with a solid wall behind
them, they did not work as intended in well damped rooms or where the walls
were of flimsy material like plasterboard.

Their biggest selling point was their small size and weight made it possible
for wives to move then out of the way when not in use !!!

Then Bose released the 360wpc 1800/1801 amplifier ( an OEM product for sure)
which weighed 80 pounds - so THAT evil monster stayed put.




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Phil Allison wrote:

** MIT's most famous audio guru has passed.


Anyway, R.I.P. Amar - we had lots of fun with your attitude.

Amar and his infamous BOSE Corporation were responsible for some of the
most egregiously wrong headed audio drivel and absurd loudspeakers ever to
be misconstrued as clever and inventive.


At audio-shows here in Europe, there is often told from an event at the
CES in the 1970ies ... Paul Klipsch sees Mr Bose entering the big hall,
and he adresses him with the words "Hey Amar, are you still building
these weird speakers?" ... and Amar turns around and shouts into the
corner "Yes, of course, Paul!"

Keep on rocking,

Mu-delurking-ck


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** MIT's most famous audio guru has passed.


Anyway, R.I.P. Amar - we had lots of fun with your attitude.

Amar and his infamous BOSE Corporation were responsible for some of the
most egregiously wrong headed audio drivel and absurd loudspeakers ever
to
be misconstrued as clever and inventive.


At audio-shows here in Europe, there is often told from an event at the
CES in the 1970ies ... Paul Klipsch sees Mr Bose entering the big hall,
and he adresses him with the words "Hey Amar, are you still building
these weird speakers?" ... and Amar turns around and shouts into the
corner "Yes, of course, Paul!"



** ROTFLMAO !!

I really hope that anecdote is TRUE !!!



..... Phil




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At audio-shows here in Europe, there is often told from an event at the
CES in the 1970ies ... Paul Klipsch sees Mr Bose entering the big hall,
and he adresses him with the words "Hey Amar, are you still building
these weird speakers?" ... and Amar turns around and shouts into the
corner "Yes, of course, Paul!"


** ROTFLMAO !!


I really hope that anecdote is TRUE !!!


Well, I first heard it from Ken Kessler - so it most definitely is not.
But sorry to whoever made it up, I have missed an important detail,
Paul Klipsch formed his hands to a horn when he spoke, naturally.

Keep on rocking,

Muck
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At audio-shows here in Europe, there is often told from an event at the
CES in the 1970ies ... Paul Klipsch sees Mr Bose entering the big hall,
and he adresses him with the words "Hey Amar, are you still building
these weird speakers?" ... and Amar turns around and shouts into the
corner "Yes, of course, Paul!"


** ROTFLMAO !!


I really hope that anecdote is TRUE !!!


Well, I first heard it from Ken Kessler - so it most definitely is not.
But sorry to whoever made it up, I have missed an important detail,
Paul Klipsch formed his hands to a horn when he spoke, naturally.



** I met a young guy once who had a pair of Klipsch La Scalas
( rated at 104dB/W/m ) in his bedroom at his parent's home.

http://www.soundscapehifi.com/images...la-1-3_LRG.jpg

Sitting on the floor next to them was a Bose 1801 amp.



..... Phil



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On 15/07/2013 9:50 AM, Phil Allison wrote:
"Muck Krieger"
Phil Allison wrote:
Muck Krieger wrote:


At audio-shows here in Europe, there is often told from an event at the
CES in the 1970ies ... Paul Klipsch sees Mr Bose entering the big hall,
and he adresses him with the words "Hey Amar, are you still building
these weird speakers?" ... and Amar turns around and shouts into the
corner "Yes, of course, Paul!"


** ROTFLMAO !!


I really hope that anecdote is TRUE !!!


Well, I first heard it from Ken Kessler - so it most definitely is not.
But sorry to whoever made it up, I have missed an important detail,
Paul Klipsch formed his hands to a horn when he spoke, naturally.



** I met a young guy once who had a pair of Klipsch La Scalas
( rated at 104dB/W/m ) in his bedroom at his parent's home.

http://www.soundscapehifi.com/images...la-1-3_LRG.jpg

Sitting on the floor next to them was a Bose 1801 amp.


**Puke. Horrible speakers, driven by a horrible amplifier. back when I
was service manager for Auriema (later, Marantz Australia), I set up a
pair of La Scalas in the warehouse truck bay and pointed them at the
(quite noisy) factory accross the road. I connected them a Marantz 140
power amp (75 Watts/channel) and played music. The people in the factory
complained about the noise!


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** I met a young guy once who had a pair of Klipsch La Scalas
( rated at 104dB/W/m ) in his bedroom at his parent's home.

http://www.soundscapehifi.com/images...la-1-3_LRG.jpg

Sitting on the floor next to them was a Bose 1801 amp.


**Puke. Horrible speakers, driven by a horrible amplifier. back when I was
service manager for Auriema (later, Marantz Australia), I set up a pair of
La Scalas in the warehouse truck bay and pointed them at the (quite noisy)
factory across the road. I connected them a Marantz 140 power amp (75
Watts/channel) and played music. The people in the factory complained
about the noise!


** BTW:

Did you ever come across the Philips omnidirectional speaker design that was
a bit like Bose ?

Not a commercial product, but a published design for home construction. It
used a number of 5 inch woofers and 1inch dome tweeters - likely AD5060s
and AD0160Ts. No stupid equaliser needed, just a touch of bass boost.

Kit Sets had a pair on demo in their Sydney city store in the early 70s.


.... Phil









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"Trevor Wilson"
Phil Allison wrote:


** I met a young guy once who had a pair of Klipsch La Scalas
( rated at 104dB/W/m ) in his bedroom at his parent's home.

http://www.soundscapehifi.com/images...la-1-3_LRG.jpg

Sitting on the floor next to them was a Bose 1801 amp.


**Puke. Horrible speakers, driven by a horrible amplifier. back when I was
service manager for Auriema (later, Marantz Australia), I set up a pair of
La Scalas in the warehouse truck bay and pointed them at the (quite noisy)
factory across the road. I connected them a Marantz 140 power amp (75
Watts/channel) and played music. The people in the factory complained
about the noise!


** BTW:

Did you ever come across the Philips omnidirectional speaker design that was
a bit like Bose ?


**Of course. Not in the flesh, but I saw it in publications.


Not a commercial product, but a published design for home construction. It
used a number of 5 inch woofers and 1inch dome tweeters - likely AD5060s
and AD0160Ts. No stupid equaliser needed, just a touch of bass boost.

Kit Sets had a pair on demo in their Sydney city store in the early 70s.


**Ah, maybe I saw it there (was that Kent St?). Those Philips 5" drivers
were pretty decent. Infinity used them in some of their early designs.
The tweeters were a bit 'zingy' but a huge improvement over most of the
cheap, home constructor stuff of the day. I used them in my 8-30 speakers.

FWIW: A mate called me last week. He acquired a old pair of Philips MFB
(Motional FeedBack) speakers. I told him that my recollection of the
sound was overwhelmingly positive. Particularly for their diminutive
size. He called me back to say that they are simply astonishingly good.
This, coming from a guy whose main speakers are Acoustats (ESLs).


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Then Bose released the 360wpc 1800/1801 amplifier ( an OEM product for sure)
which weighed 80 pounds - so THAT evil monster stayed put.


That amp worked all day and all of the night...

I was a Bose repair guy back then, still have the schematic, and
the only thing that flunked out were the LEDs. Mounted in an
'Anvil' case, it lasted on the road forever. The schematic had
1:1 PCB print on it...hmmmm..time frame limitations, and all
that kind of rot...hehehehe. IMMSMW, someone in China made
a clone, using cheap parts, called the 'BOISE'. ...pos...

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Then Bose released the 360wpc 1800/1801 amplifier ( an OEM product for
sure)
which weighed 80 pounds - so THAT evil monster stayed put.


That amp worked all day and all of the night...


** Except when it didn't.

I was a Bose repair guy back then,


** I must have seen dozens of them go across my bench - most with the same
stupid fault.


still have the schematic, and
the only thing that flunked out were the LEDs.


** Not true at all.

2kohm, 3W resistors in the supply to the 15Vzeners ( for the op-amp)
constantly burnt and sent the amp DC.

Then there were the 4.7 ohm, 10W ones in the AC supply that regularly blew
open at switch on an stopped the amp dead.

Plus failed output transistors and a host of co-lateral damage.

Then there was the PM2 powered mixer - wot a heap.


.... Phil





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...wow..they must of went down hill later, all the ones I dealt with
(EAST COAST US) held up real fine except for the LED boards.

Then there was the PM2 powered mixer - wot a heap.


U got that right. POS with a capital P. Bose paid me night and
day to run all over town to fix those suckers. ka-ching$. Not only
did the 'power' section suck, but the mixer section was so lame,
it sold only on the name. Owners cursed the day they bought them.

Bose also made a "PA" version of the 901, that if you stacked enough
of them on each side, it sounded less then ****, more like just puke.

Alembic tried to sue them over the 'stacks of speakers' concept, and
IMMSMW, they settled out of court. The Bose system was never at the
Alembic level. Ya still see around here those Bose PA cabs..unused.

I still think the new Bose 'POLES' suck and blow.. Folks buy them..


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