alright im debating whether to get a tape headunit or cd headunit for my
car

if i get a cd player, ill have to get a cd burner and cd's
if i get a tape player, i can hook up my mp3 player and itll be
cheaper

since i plan on buying subs n **** after i buy my headunit i was
wondering if it matters if u have a cd / tape unit does cd headunit
power them better or somethign?

also is the better sound id get by going the cd route rather then
hooking up my mp3 player worth the extra money its goin to cost me
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Why not get a tape deck with cd changer controls?
Not following why you'd "have" to get a cd burner if you opted for the cd
headunit, I mean, your not going to burn illegally obtained music are you???

n8



alright im debating whether to get a tape headunit or cd headunit for my
car

if i get a cd player, ill have to get a cd burner and cd's
if i get a tape player, i can hook up my mp3 player and itll be
cheaper

since i plan on buying subs n **** after i buy my headunit i was
wondering if it matters if u have a cd / tape unit does cd headunit
power them better or somethign?

also is the better sound id get by going the cd route rather then
hooking up my mp3 player worth the extra money its goin to cost me
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cuz i dont need both thats prolly goin to cost more, id rather just get
one or the other, unless having a cd/tape headunit is same price as
having just one i dunno ?
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i can hook up my mp3 player and itll be
cheaper

No, getting a head unit that has an aux in will be cheaper.

And better.

can u expand on that.. whats an aux lol


Auxiliary input. Many cd head units come with them. It's in the features
list. It's an input jack to hook things like mp3 players up to the radio.

Spend a few bukcs extra and get a CD Player that plays MP3s on CD. MUCH
better than ANY of those other options. You wont regret spending the extra
30 or 40 bucks...

"scat131" wrote in message
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alright im debating whether to get a tape headunit or cd headunit for my
car

if i get a cd player, ill have to get a cd burner and cd's
if i get a tape player, i can hook up my mp3 player and itll be
cheaper

since i plan on buying subs n **** after i buy my headunit i was
wondering if it matters if u have a cd / tape unit does cd headunit
power them better or somethign?

also is the better sound id get by going the cd route rather then
hooking up my mp3 player worth the extra money its goin to cost me
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To get good stuff, you need good money! Get a job! jk..

I just use a CD player (the $120 JVC from last year).. I have like 1
real cd, teh rest are burned... simple and effective... sounds great,
has front and rear rca jacks for the amps.. not sure why anyone would
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cuz its cheaper to get the headunit with the aux then i can just hook up
my mp3 player, rather then buying a cd headunnit, then having to buy a
cd burner and cd's
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By the way, there was a Prestige CD Player with aux in on sale at
partsexpress.com for $109 I believe. If you shop on ebay, you'll be able to
buy a better one for even less money.

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zarellam at upstate dot edu


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cuz its cheaper to get the headunit with the aux then i can just hook up
my mp3 player, rather then buying a cd headunnit, then having to buy a
cd burner and cd's
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alright now my question is what're some good sites to buy car audio
stuff off of, i dont wanna shop ebay cuz i want to buy this new dont
want to take any chances, a cd / aux headunit
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mp3 player and still sound high quality?

never mind wrong forum



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if i go the cd route im definately goin to have to buy a burner because
im not spending all that money on cd's that i want, i think im gonna go
with the aux line input thing cuz that seems like itd be the cheapest
way for me to hook up my mp3 player and still sound high quality
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Sell your mp3 player and buy a cd burner.

do it... NOW@!!!
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cd's get scratched/skip, my mp3 player doesnt and i dont have to sell
anything if i use my mp3 player.. i doubt the sound is THAT much better
that its worht the exra money and the trouble of getting the cd headunit
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cd's get scratched/skip, my mp3 player doesnt and i dont have to sell
anything if i use my mp3 player.. i doubt the sound is THAT much better
that its worht the exra money and the trouble of getting the cd headunit
and burner and cd's

With properly encoded mp3s and an aux in, there's no difference in sound.
Go for it.

there's no difference in sound.

that's not true- and the prevalence of that assertion is part of the reason
this generation of teens thinks mp3's and computer speakers are acceptable
references for sound reproduction


"Mark Zarella" seesigfile wrote in message
...
cd's get scratched/skip, my mp3 player doesnt and i dont have to sell
anything if i use my mp3 player.. i doubt the sound is THAT much better
that its worht the exra money and the trouble of getting the cd headunit
and burner and cd's

With properly encoded mp3s and an aux in, there's no difference in sound.
Go for it.

there's no difference in sound.

that's not true- and the prevalence of that assertion is part of the
reason
this generation of teens thinks mp3's and computer speakers are acceptable
references for sound reproduction

That's because mp3's CAN BE perfectly acceptable.

Encode at 320k VBR with an encoder like Lame and you will not be able to
tell the difference in any car - certainly not a car with a system like the
one the original poster is looking to put in.

The fact that there will not be a decernable difference in a crap system in
a car does not equal --"there's no difference in sound."
and " mp3's CAN BE perfectly acceptable." does not mean that these
acceptable
references for sound reproduction.
I absolutely understand your point in context, I just think that as a
blanket statement without context it is not only untrue but part of the
reason circuit city is a viable option for so many people to build home and
car audio systems and then go around thinking and saying they are
competition and state of the art quality.



"Mark Zarella" seesigfile wrote in message
...
there's no difference in sound.

that's not true- and the prevalence of that assertion is part of the
reason
this generation of teens thinks mp3's and computer speakers are
acceptable
references for sound reproduction

That's because mp3's CAN BE perfectly acceptable.

Encode at 320k VBR with an encoder like Lame and you will not be able to
tell the difference in any car - certainly not a car with a system like
the
one the original poster is looking to put in.

The fact that there will not be a decernable difference in a crap system
in
a car does not equal --"there's no difference in sound."

That's correct. There are other reasons why "there's no difference in
sound". But that's not relevant for the original poster, is it? He wants
to know what the best option is for HIS system.

and " mp3's CAN BE perfectly acceptable." does not mean that these
acceptable
references for sound reproduction.

Why aren't they?

I absolutely understand your point in context, I just think that as a
blanket statement without context it is not only untrue but part of the
reason circuit city is a viable option for so many people to build home
and
car audio systems and then go around thinking and saying they are
competition and state of the art quality.

What blanket statement did I make?

And by the way, it's quite easy to build a "competition level" audio system
with the gear that Circuit City sells. My beef with circuit city is the
price.

I think you will be plenty happy with it either way man- I don't think you
are that concerned with the side discussion- have fun
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well i think im gonna be safe and combine the 2 methods, ima get a
cd/aux headunit that way if the aux/mp3 player sounds ****ty then i can
just buy a burner and make cd's
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He wants
to know what the best option is for HIS system.
- Yes and I don't think he will care or be bothered, nor do I think It will
harm him to know that some people would'nt think of such a settup and that
there are other levels of consideration out there, maybe that will one day
concern his listening.

Why aren't they?
because they are commpressed audio with attenuated frequency, Play some
Miles Davis through a pair of b&w's or even Klipsch heresies and tell me
there is no loss from the man's horn and that it's just as good and accurate
a reproduction.

And by the way, it's quite easy to build a "competition level" audio system
with the gear that Circuit City sells. My beef with circuit city is the
price.

Probably- but there are those who think- myself among them- you aren't
going to get the quality of say boston acoustics there.

What blanket statement did I make?
my point was more that lumping it all as fine is very subjective and
relative to what people have come to expect out of audio repro.
I certainly see your point.
Take care


"Mark Zarella" seesigfile wrote in message
...
The fact that there will not be a decernable difference in a crap system
in
a car does not equal --"there's no difference in sound."

That's correct. There are other reasons why "there's no difference in
sound". But that's not relevant for the original poster, is it? He wants
to know what the best option is for HIS system.

and " mp3's CAN BE perfectly acceptable." does not mean that these
acceptable
references for sound reproduction.

Why aren't they?

I absolutely understand your point in context, I just think that as a
blanket statement without context it is not only untrue but part of the
reason circuit city is a viable option for so many people to build home
and
car audio systems and then go around thinking and saying they are
competition and state of the art quality.

What blanket statement did I make?

And by the way, it's quite easy to build a "competition level" audio
system
with the gear that Circuit City sells. My beef with circuit city is the
price.

He wants
to know what the best option is for HIS system.
- Yes and I don't think he will care or be bothered, nor do I think It
will
harm him to know that some people would'nt think of such a settup and that
there are other levels of consideration out there, maybe that will one day
concern his listening.

Why is it that "some people wouldn't think of such a setup"? Who cares what
people who don't know any better think?


Why aren't they?
because they are commpressed audio with attenuated frequency,

I low-pass my mp3s at about 19kHz. I know very few humans who can hear
above 19kHz to any extent. In fact, my effective cutoff (threshold within
approx. 3dB) is actually slightly above average - at around 18 kHz.

Play some
Miles Davis through a pair of b&w's or even Klipsch heresies and tell me
there is no loss from the man's horn and that it's just as good and
accurate
a reproduction.

There is absolutely no loss on properly encoded mp3s. None. Send me a wav
file of your choice, I'll encode it for you, and you can tell me if there's
a difference. Deal?


And by the way, it's quite easy to build a "competition level" audio
system
with the gear that Circuit City sells. My beef with circuit city is the
price.

Probably- but there are those who think- myself among them- you aren't
going to get the quality of say boston acoustics there.

I don't like Boston Acoustics much, so good riddance! In fact, I could
build an out-of-this-world system using nothing but Jensen. And Circuit
City sells some very good equipment.

Improperly encoded MP3s sound the same as Cd's but arent the same. The
mp3's are not of as high quality as Cd's and it causes distortions in
your ear drums causing hearing loss.

Absurd. I read the same website that made such ridiculous claims. I wonder
why such "groundbreaking" findings haven't made an appearance in any
worthwhile peer-reviewed journals?

Obviously if you're putting
together a system for your car you dont care very much about hearing
loss though.

That's the dumbest thing that's been uttered in here for a long time. I'd
love to hear your rationale...

So do what's convenient for you. Remember that (unless
you have an ipod) that most MP3 players dont hold very many songs.

Mine holds 3000+ songs. Speak for yourself.

Enjoy your Jenson.
"Mark Zarella" seesigfile wrote in message
...
He wants
to know what the best option is for HIS system.
- Yes and I don't think he will care or be bothered, nor do I think It
will
harm him to know that some people would'nt think of such a settup and
that
there are other levels of consideration out there, maybe that will one
day
concern his listening.

Why is it that "some people wouldn't think of such a setup"? Who cares
what
people who don't know any better think?


Why aren't they?
because they are commpressed audio with attenuated frequency,

I low-pass my mp3s at about 19kHz. I know very few humans who can hear
above 19kHz to any extent. In fact, my effective cutoff (threshold within
approx. 3dB) is actually slightly above average - at around 18 kHz.

Play some
Miles Davis through a pair of b&w's or even Klipsch heresies and tell me
there is no loss from the man's horn and that it's just as good and
accurate
a reproduction.

There is absolutely no loss on properly encoded mp3s. None. Send me a
wav
file of your choice, I'll encode it for you, and you can tell me if
there's
a difference. Deal?


And by the way, it's quite easy to build a "competition level" audio
system
with the gear that Circuit City sells. My beef with circuit city is
the
price.

Probably- but there are those who think- myself among them- you aren't
going to get the quality of say boston acoustics there.

I don't like Boston Acoustics much, so good riddance! In fact, I could
build an out-of-this-world system using nothing but Jensen. And Circuit
City sells some very good equipment.

i have a 6 gig archos portable mp3 player taht holds 1000 hours of music
or so it says.. i havent gotten enough songs to really test its capacity
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SmilingSinner wrote:
there's no difference in sound.

that's not true- and the prevalence of that assertion is part of the reason
this generation of teens thinks mp3's and computer speakers are acceptable
references for sound reproduction

MP3 is an acceptable reference for audio reproduction. At high bitrates,
it is superior to CD, and indistinguishable from analog to the human ear.

Where's your proof otherwise?


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SmilingSinner wrote:

Why aren't they?
because they are commpressed audio with attenuated frequency, Play some
Miles Davis through a pair of b&w's or even Klipsch heresies and tell me
there is no loss from the man's horn and that it's just as good and accurate
a reproduction.

All recording methods are compressed.

Redbook format for CD Audio is 44,100 Khz 16 bit PCM with a bandwidth of
20hz to 20 khz and a dynamic range of 110 db. That is equivalent to an
85 kb/s MP3 file recorded with VBR enabled on a quality encoder such as
FhG. Of course, few people use these expensive proprietary encoders, so
for comparison you'll need a 190 kb/s file recorded with VBR enabled on
the LAME or BLADE encoders. But 190 kb/s isn't even close to the
capability of MP3. I can encode MP3s as high as 320 kbps, and I am
willing to bet you that you cannot tell the difference in a double blind
test between a 128 kb/s FHG VBR MP3 file and a redbook standard CD audio
track. MP3 audio also has superior dynamic range (120 db @ 320 kb/s).

I won't even bother bringing up OGG Vorbis, which is not only aurally
superior to the proprietary MP3 format, but is Open Standard and freely
available under the GNU Public License.

Incidentally, Miles Davis or a similar performance will not bring out
the deficiencies of lossy compression. There's too little information.
You need something cacophonic, such as heavy metal, or a symphony that
moves from minuet to crescendo.

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d03boy wrote:
Improperly encoded MP3s sound the same as Cd's but arent the same. The
mp3's are not of as high quality as Cd's and it causes distortions in
your ear drums causing hearing loss. Obviously if you're putting
together a system for your car you dont care very much about hearing
loss though. So do what's convenient for you. Remember that (unless
you have an ipod) that most MP3 players dont hold very many songs. Cd
players you can switch to an old cd whenever you like. Just something
to think about. Good luck with your decision.

Not only are you incredibly wrong, but you violated usenet protocol by
not quoting. Please don't dispense advice in absolute terms when you
don't even know what you're talking about.

I'm getting so tired of the noobs from caraudioforums.com. YOU ARE NOT
L33T!!!


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Lizard wrote
MP3 is an acceptable reference for audio reproduction. At high bitrates,
it is superior to CD, and indistinguishable from analog to the human ear.

Only when played through Mark's Jensen system.

"The Lizard" wrote in message
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SmilingSinner wrote:
there's no difference in sound.

that's not true- and the prevalence of that assertion is part of the
reason
this generation of teens thinks mp3's and computer speakers are
acceptable
references for sound reproduction

MP3 is an acceptable reference for audio reproduction. At high bitrates,
it is superior to CD, and indistinguishable from analog to the human ear.

Where's your proof otherwise?


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d03boy wrote:
Mine holds 3000+ songs. Speak for yourself.


What brand and model do you use that holds 3000+ songs of high
bitrate/frequency mp3's?

OMG! You can quote! VERY GOOD!

Apples iPod comes in versions as high as 30 GB allowing you to store
7000 songs at 128 kb/s. Keep in mind that 128 IS a high bit rate. If you
encode with a quality codec like FhR, you can get CD quality at onl 85
kb/s. It's the ****ty encoders like LAME that much it up, along with the
incompetance of the average user in setting encodings respective of the
soruce materiel. MP3 goes from 8 kb/s to 640 kb/s. You can also encode
VBR, and the iPod will play these back.

http://www.ipod.com/ipod/

Then there is the Creative Nomad Zen NX

http://www.nomadworld.com/products/jukebox_zen_nx/

Also, techies have been modifying MP3 players for years - since the
first RIO players came out. There are people who have already hacked the
original iPods to accept 60 GB laptop drives.

Now, once upon a better past, I had an AMD K6-2 500 with a 20 GB hard
drive installed in my ride, and I don't usually encode MP3 at anything
less than 160 kbps on the Blade ENC. Now that I'm switching to OGG, I
can fit even more music into the same space, at a better quality than MP3.

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MP3 is an acceptable reference for audio reproduction. At high bitrates,
it is superior to CD, and indistinguishable from analog to the human ear.

Only when played through Mark's Jensen system.

First of all, I don't have a Jensen system. Your reading comprehension is
woefully inadequate if that's what you think I said. Secondly, I could
indeed build a better sound system with Jensen equpment than your newbie ass
could with ANY equipment. That's fact. Maybe once you learn a bit about
electronics and get a few (hundred) installations under your belt, just
maybe you'll be competent yourself. Cheers.

"Mark Zarella" wrote
"First of all, I don't have a Jensen system. Your reading comprehension is
woefully inadequate if that's what you think I said."

Yes I was speaking of your forthcoming "out of this world" Jensen system, I
didn't realize you couldn't follow a simple train of thought. I'll be sure
and spell things out in the future.

Maybe once you learn a bit about
electronics and get a few (hundred) installations under your belt, just
maybe you'll be competent yourself.
Actually I'm more ambituous in life than to be a stereo Installer. I just
came here to learn, share opinions experience etc....


"Mark Zarella" wrote
I think I have woefully inadequate equipment under the belt, just
maybe I could install a bit of it in your newbie ass, Cheers.

no thanks, but take care






"Mark Zarella" seesigfile wrote in message
...
MP3 is an acceptable reference for audio reproduction. At high bitrates,
it is superior to CD, and indistinguishable from analog to the human
ear.

Only when played through Mark's Jensen system.

First of all, I don't have a Jensen system. Your reading comprehension is
woefully inadequate if that's what you think I said. Secondly, I could
indeed build a better sound system with Jensen equpment than your newbie
ass
could with ANY equipment. That's fact. Maybe once you learn a bit about
electronics and get a few (hundred) installations under your belt, just
maybe you'll be competent yourself. Cheers.

d03boy wrote:
Why should I have to quote anything here?

That's the way USENET WORKS. rec.audio.car is a text based forum
distributed over NNTP servers on the Internet. It is not merely a web
forum you found at caraudioforums.com.

Usenet has protocols, such as "don't use html", or "don't post binaries
to non binary groups", or "always quote the message when you are replying".

If you do not quote, aside from proving your newbie status, you will
make it hard for other people to follow the conversation in the thread.

Nobody else is, yet I'm still

There are a limited few exeptions where people haven't quoted, and they
are wise enough to heed usenet protocol when they realize how threading
and message display works on newsreaders.

If I broke the rules because I didnt quote some information,
then this thread might as well be deleted because I havnt seen a single
quote from an outside source yet, but I've seen about 20 'facts' from
various people that were unquoted nor did they state any further proof.

Not on rec.audio.car. Maybe on some of the forums at caraudioforums.com,
but they are providing a gateway that displays the messages posted to
NNTP servers in HTML format.

And you don't "delete" threads on usenet. The best you can accomplish is
to cancel a post, if you have permissions to do so from your provider.


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"Mark Zarella" wrote
"First of all, I don't have a Jensen system. Your reading comprehension is
woefully inadequate if that's what you think I said."

Ignore this guy, Mark. He's an ignorant troll with all the arrogance of
an elitist audiophile, and all the knowledge of a ghetto trash boom-car
punk.


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Nobody else is, yet I'm still
getting flamed for thinking something was true when obviously it wasnt
because someone on here said it wasnt (with no background information
anywhere.)

Who said what about what? I don't remember what you were talking about earlier
in this thread so you will have to qoute so everyone can follow along.

Les

Homo say what?
"The Lizard" wrote in message
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"Mark Zarella" wrote
"First of all, I don't have a Jensen system. Your reading comprehension
is
woefully inadequate if that's what you think I said."

Ignore this guy, Mark. He's an ignorant troll with all the arrogance of
an elitist audiophile, and all the knowledge of a ghetto trash boom-car
punk.


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Where is your proof that your assertion is anything more than an uninformed
opinion?
Or: How is it superior to CD?

"The Lizard" wrote in message
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SmilingSinner wrote:
there's no difference in sound.

that's not true- and the prevalence of that assertion is part of the
reason
this generation of teens thinks mp3's and computer speakers are
acceptable
references for sound reproduction

MP3 is an acceptable reference for audio reproduction. At high bitrates,
it is superior to CD, and indistinguishable from analog to the human ear.

Where's your proof otherwise?


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He wasn't asking for citations; he wants you to quote the message you are
referring to in your post.

"d03boy" wrote in message
s.com...
Why should I have to quote anything here? Nobody else is, yet I'm still
getting flamed for thinking something was true when obviously it wasnt
because someone on here said it wasnt (with no background information
anywhere.) If I broke the rules because I didnt quote some information,
then this thread might as well be deleted because I havnt seen a single
quote from an outside source yet, but I've seen about 20 'facts' from
various people that were unquoted nor did they state any further proof.
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james w wrote:
Where is your proof that your assertion is anything more than an uninformed
opinion?


Did you happen to notice who I am? Bow in my presence! Kneel and bob
before me.

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Yeah he's the gizzard! be impressed
"The Lizard" wrote in message
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james w wrote:
Where is your proof that your assertion is anything more than an
uninformed
opinion?


Did you happen to notice who I am? Bow in my presence! Kneel and bob
before me.

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