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Eddie Runner
I would like to appoligize to you. By me calling you a jackass I was a
jackass myself(but who isn't) I have read some threads from the past and found you are an intelligent man with a broader knowlege base of car audio than myself. Our only disagreement would be over wire, and i know that it does not really matter in the end, but i still believe gold (whether audible or not) transers a "better" sound, while not being the best conductor. I am only 18 and may be perceived as a nieve kid but i have been reading car audio forum, termpro,etc.. for years and have a stable understanding of things, just not as good as yours. -- sl2perfect ------------------------------------------------------------------------ CarAudioForum.com - Usenet Gateway w/over half a million post online! View this thread: http://www.caraudioforum.com/vbb2/sh...hreadid=149603 |
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Eddie Runner
The Lizard wrote:
Your apology is irrelevent. You will be ***-imoliated. [/b] F#uck you. You punk as$ son of a bi@otch. You can suck my d!ck. -- sl2perfect ------------------------------------------------------------------------ CarAudioForum.com - Usenet Gateway w/over half a million post online! View this thread: http://www.caraudioforum.com/vbb2/sh...hreadid=149603 |
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Eddie Runner
I don't know if I'd be so fast to appologize to Eddie. I don't know if
you've noticed this, but it sure seems like he gets his thrills over stirring up the **** in an arguement  ."Mark Zarella" seesigfile wrote in message ... I am only 18 and may be perceived as a nieve kid There are reasons for that, and it's not because of your age. -- Ge0 ******************************************* TeamAMP #4 - tech whiz type of guy ******************************************* Low cost car stereo equipment repair/ modification Contact me for advice or a quote. Always interested in buying dead equipment too. ******************************************** Looking for answers on car stereo topics? www.mobileaudio.com www.teamrocs.com http://go.to/bcae/ ******************************************* Geo uses: Main Stage = a/d/s/ 336is.2 Rear fill = a/d/s/ 335is.2 Subs = Audiomobile Mass 2012 S24 Head unit = Denon DCT-1000R Processor 1 = Orion DEQ30 Processor 2 = Tubedriver LDX-23 3-way x-over Processor 3 = Ge0 brewed digital time delay Sub Amp = a/d/s/ P4100.2 Main & rear fill amp = a/d/s/ P840.2 Interconnects = Streetwires ZN2.0, custom balanced and optical cabling Power distribution = Streetwires ******************************************** Ge0 rides Ventanna and GT double boinger MTB's Bikes built from deals at WWW.MTBREVIEW.COM **** |
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Eddie Runner
sl2perfect wrote:
F#uck you. You punk as$ son of a bi@otch. You can suck my d!ck. ....elsewhere he writes... I am only 18 and may be perceived as a nieve kid NO ****!? -- Lizard teamROCS #007 / Technical Director / Founding Member *res derelicta* http://www.teamrocs.com/ Save Farscape http://www.watchfarscape.com |
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Eddie Runner
sl2perfect wrote
I would like to appoligize to you. By me calling you a jackass I was a jackass myself(but who isn't) I have read some threads from the past and found you are an intelligent man with a broader knowlege base of car audio than myself. Our only disagreement would be over wire, and i know that it does not really matter in the end, but i still believe gold (whether audible or not) transers a "better" sound, while not being the best conductor. I am only 18 and may be perceived as a nieve kid but i have been reading car audio forum, termpro,etc.. for years and have a stable understanding of things, just not as good as yours. No need to appologize... I am an asshole most of the time... I dont want folks to think Im a nice guy or anything.... Wire to you is like believing in god... You believe that gold makes a difference thats fine with me.... Too bad your wire experience consists only of the propaganda that you read in the crappy audio magazines and not real listening tests.... Wire to me is more a matter as to what makes a difference for me or my customers... Alot of folks have a limited budget when building a system, I would rather help them spend thier money one things THAT DO matter than to waste the money on things that dont matter... Thats why my customers keep coming back to me instead of believing what the salesman in best buy tell em..... I have set up as well as participated in MANY MANY wire listening tests and auditions over the years.... I even listened to some $28000.00 RCA cables at the CES show in Vegas a few years ago... Can you imagine someone spending $28000 (twenty eight thousand) for a pair of RCA cables???? Its alot of fun to BET with folkslike you that are SURE they can hear a difference! After you loose your money you wont forget that all cables sound the same... ha ha Good luck! Eddie Runner http://www.installer.com/tech/ |
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Eddie Runner
Yeah, when someone appologizes its so anti climactic!
A let down! I really like it when folks get really wound up! ha ha ha When I argue with folks I always see in my mind the famous video of the guy slapping his computer monitor with his keyboard and kicking it down the hall... ha ha ha (my goal in life) Eddie Ge0 wrote: I don't know if I'd be so fast to appologize to Eddie. I don't know if you've noticed this, but it sure seems like he gets his thrills over stirring up the **** in an arguement . |
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Eddie Runner
and i still stand by both statements. Eddie i appologiz, Lizard, f#ck
yooooouuuuuu! -- sl2perfect ------------------------------------------------------------------------ CarAudioForum.com - Usenet Gateway w/over half a million post online! View this thread: http://www.caraudioforum.com/vbb2/sh...hreadid=149603 |
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Eddie Runner
well i appreciate the reply. I understand, that it is not worth it to
spend all the money on nice looking wire, but i can telll a difference with some rca's(no rca's are worth more than $30) with things such as noise and gain setting, but overall wire does'nt really matter to human ears. But would you possibly agree that scientifically it may matter. p.s. More respect to you for being professional in the business and not ripping people off. -- sl2perfect ------------------------------------------------------------------------ CarAudioForum.com - Usenet Gateway w/over half a million post online! View this thread: http://www.caraudioforum.com/vbb2/sh...hreadid=149603 |
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Eddie Runner
overall wire does'nt really matter to human
ears. But would you possibly agree that scientifically it may matter. Why are you treating human perception and science as two mutually exclusive things? I think that may be where your problem lies... |
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Eddie Runner
X-No-Archive:yes
Eddie, You mean you use lamp cord from Home Depot like Mark too ;-) Tandy Amps 3000 watts at 4 ohms? Sweet! ~«©¿©»~ http://home.comcast.net/~wegetourmai...ome.html-.html No. Try not. Do or do not, there is no try. Max "Eddie Runner" wrote in message ... Yeah, when someone appologizes its so anti climactic! A let down! I really like it when folks get really wound up! ha ha ha When I argue with folks I always see in my mind the famous video of the guy slapping his computer monitor with his keyboard and kicking it down the hall... ha ha ha (my goal in life) Eddie Ge0 wrote: I don't know if I'd be so fast to appologize to Eddie. I don't know if you've noticed this, but it sure seems like he gets his thrills over stirring up the **** in an arguement . |
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Eddie Runner
sl2perfect wrote:
and i still stand by both statements. Eddie i appologiz, Lizard, f#ck yooooouuuuuu! You would, fag. -- Lizard teamROCS #007 / Technical Director / Founding Member *res derelicta* http://www.teamrocs.com/ Save Farscape http://www.watchfarscape.com |
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Eddie Runner
i did not day i wanted to f#ck you i said to go f#ck yourself. *****
made nigga -- sl2perfect ------------------------------------------------------------------------ CarAudioForum.com - Usenet Gateway w/over one million posts online! View this thread: http://www.caraudioforum.com/vbb2/sh...hreadid=149603 |
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Eddie Runner
i did not day i wanted to f#ck you i said to go f#ck yourself. *****
made nigga Learn to spell you illiterate child. Come back when you've grown some pubes, and stopped sucking your mommy's tit. Think it's a good idea if I come back after I stop sucking his mommy's tit too? |
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Eddie Runner
sorry i missed the s and put the d
-- sl2perfect ------------------------------------------------------------------------ CarAudioForum.com - Usenet Gateway w/over one million posts online! View this thread: http://www.caraudioforum.com/vbb2/sh...hreadid=149603 |
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Eddie Runner
no, I use speaker wire... Whatever grade my customers
wanna buy... ;-) If I sent all my customers to Home Depot I may not have any customers left... Eddie Paul Maxson wrote: X-No-Archive:yes Eddie, You mean you use lamp cord from Home Depot like Mark too ;-) Tandy Amps 3000 watts at 4 ohms? Sweet! ~=AB=A9=BF=A9=BB~ |
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Eddie Runner
X-No-Archive:yes All kidding aside, what do you think of having more copper strands in wire making for a better grand than standard 4 gauge wire? To quote a Vendor it has 10 times less impendence and is "99.99% pure copper" Would that make for a better ground than cheaper wire? It seems to to me and others but it's subjective to bias because you spent money on it your mind want to think it's smoother. Was wondering your thoughts? ~«©¿©»~ http://home.comcast.net/~wegetourmai...ome.html-.html No. Try not. Do or do not, there is no try. Max "Eddie Runner" wrote in message ... no, I use speaker wire... Whatever grade my customers wanna buy... ;-) If I sent all my customers to Home Depot I may not have any customers left... Eddie Paul Maxson wrote: X-No-Archive:yes Eddie, You mean you use lamp cord from Home Depot like Mark too ;-) Tandy Amps 3000 watts at 4 ohms? Sweet! ~«©¿©»~ |
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Eddie Runner
All kidding aside, what do you think of having more copper strands in wire
making for a better grand than standard 4 gauge wire? To quote a Vendor it has 10 times less impendence and is "99.99% pure copper" Would that make for a better ground than cheaper wire? 10 times less impedance requires ten times as much cross-sectional area. If there's ten times as much area, then it ain't 4 gauge! It's simple physics. |
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Eddie Runner
All true, but at least multi-strand makes it harder to break off at the
termination than Romex :-) JD Eddie Runner wrote: the more strands it has will only benifit us by being mosr flexable.. it wont have anything to do with signal transfer in our car... 10 times less impedance??? ha ha its so low already youcould make it 1000times less impedance and you still wont hear any difference.... I am not even convinced it would have 10 times less resistance anyway... Normally with the frequencies we use in car audio the strads wont make any difference... If it was VHF or UHF radio though the skin effect might make a difference... But for audio it doesnt even come close to mattering... Eddie Paul Maxson wrote: X-No-Archive:yes All kidding aside, what do you think of having more copper strands in wire making for a better grand than standard 4 gauge wire? To quote a Vendor it has 10 times less impendence and is "99.99% pure copper" Would that make for a better ground than cheaper wire? It seems to to me and others but it's subjective to bias because you spent money on it your mind want to think it's smoother. Was wondering your thoughts? ~«©¿©»~ http://home.comcast.net/~wegetourmai...ome.html-.html No. Try not. Do or do not, there is no try. Max "Eddie Runner" wrote in message ... no, I use speaker wire... Whatever grade my customers wanna buy... ;-) If I sent all my customers to Home Depot I may not have any customers left... Eddie Paul Maxson wrote: X-No-Archive:yes Eddie, You mean you use lamp cord from Home Depot like Mark too ;-) Tandy Amps 3000 watts at 4 ohms? Sweet! ~«©¿©»~ |
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Eddie Runner
X-No-Archive:yes
I wasn't talking about Car Audio ground although it helps the hiss. I was talking about Import vehicle ECU grounding. Should have clarified. http://tinyurl.com/h2ra, my race car with sound. http://tinyurl.com/h2rg Loop goes to frame and battery this is a PG Terminal post. http://home.comcast.net/~wegetourmai...ID-724061.html Eddie and Mark, same answers? ~«©¿©»~ http://home.comcast.net/~wegetourmai...ome.html-.html No. Try not. Do or do not, there is no try. Max "John Durbin" wrote in message ... All true, but at least multi-strand makes it harder to break off at the termination than Romex :-) JD Eddie Runner wrote: the more strands it has will only benifit us by being mosr flexable.. it wont have anything to do with signal transfer in our car... 10 times less impedance??? ha ha its so low already youcould make it 1000times less impedance and you still wont hear any difference.... I am not even convinced it would have 10 times less resistance anyway... Normally with the frequencies we use in car audio the strads wont make any difference... If it was VHF or UHF radio though the skin effect might make a difference... But for audio it doesnt even come close to mattering... Eddie Paul Maxson wrote: X-No-Archive:yes All kidding aside, what do you think of having more copper strands in wire making for a better grand than standard 4 gauge wire? To quote a Vendor it has 10 times less impendence and is "99.99% pure copper" Would that make for a better ground than cheaper wire? It seems to to me and others but it's subjective to bias because you spent money on it your mind want to think it's smoother. Was wondering your thoughts? ~«©¿©»~ http://home.comcast.net/~wegetourmai...ome.html-.html No. Try not. Do or do not, there is no try. Max "Eddie Runner" wrote in message ... no, I use speaker wire... Whatever grade my customers wanna buy... ;-) If I sent all my customers to Home Depot I may not have any customers left... Eddie Paul Maxson wrote: X-No-Archive:yes Eddie, You mean you use lamp cord from Home Depot like Mark too ;-) Tandy Amps 3000 watts at 4 ohms? Sweet! ~«©¿©»~ |
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Eddie Runner
And yes, I could hear the difference in a test. Will not swear on my
life that the difference wasn't due to the setup though) Then you can't make such a claim, huh? |
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Eddie Runner
whats the question?
Paul Maxson wrote: Eddie and Mark, same answers? |
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Eddie Runner
what wire/cable does everyone use?
-- sl2perfect ------------------------------------------------------------------------ CarAudioForum.com - Usenet Gateway w/over one million posts online! View this thread: http://www.caraudioforum.com/vbb2/sh...hreadid=149603 |
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Eddie Runner
whatever matches my install theme. It really doesn't matter as long as it's
the correct gauge. Paul Vina "sl2perfect" wrote in message s.com... what wire/cable does everyone use? -- sl2perfect ------------------------------------------------------------------------ CarAudioForum.com - Usenet Gateway w/over one million posts online! View this thread: http://www.caraudioforum.com/vbb2/sh...hreadid=149603 |
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Eddie Runner
what wire/cable does everyone use?
Copper. |
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Eddie Runner
Mark Zarella wrote:
* And yes, I could hear the difference in a test. Will not swear on my life that the difference wasn't due to the setup though) Then you can't make such a claim, huh? * I ran one wire of off the volumecontrolled-line-out(with volume pot which acts on the line out AND on the headphones-out, $2cable) I ran another wire of off the line out ($200cable) And I ran a wire of off the optical-out. In my perfect listening environment (tiny student room...) on my ancient Pioneer speakers, I could tell the difference between the carboncable and the cheap cable 10 out of 10 times (monitor input, just ram the monitorbutton on the remote a dozen times, blind the status leds on the amp, and voila you have a blind test) couldn't distinguish between the opt.out and the carboncable. And it was ten years ago, so not sure my ears are still up to it... R-P PS: to prevent jokes: No, I cannot hear optical signals, and yes, it was a glassfibre (or plastic?) cable, and yes, I do have a digital input on that particular amp. -- R-P ------------------------------------------------------------------------ CarAudioForum.com - Usenet Gateway w/over one million posts online! View this thread: http://www.caraudioforum.com/vbb2/sh...hreadid=149603 |
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Eddie Runner
do what u do.
-- bassfreak ------------------------------------------------------------------------ CarAudioForum.com - Usenet Gateway w/over one million posts online! View this thread: http://www.caraudioforum.com/vbb2/sh...hreadid=149603 |
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Eddie Runner
sl2perfect wrote:
see -- See what? You don't quote, faggot. -- Lizard teamROCS #007 / Technical Director / Founding Member *res derelicta* http://www.teamrocs.com/ Save Farscape http://www.watchfarscape.com |
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Eddie Runner
see
-- sl2perfect ------------------------------------------------------------------------ CarAudioForum.com - Usenet Gateway w/over one million posts online! View this thread: http://www.caraudioforum.com/vbb2/sh...hreadid=149603 |
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Eddie Runner
I ran one wire of off the volumecontrolled-line-out(with volume pot
which acts on the line out AND on the headphones-out, $2cable) I ran another wire of off the line out ($200cable) And I ran a wire of off the optical-out. In my perfect listening environment (tiny student room...) on my ancient Pioneer speakers, I could tell the difference between the carboncable and the cheap cable 10 out of 10 times (monitor input, just ram the monitorbutton on the remote a dozen times, blind the status leds on the amp, and voila you have a blind test) couldn't distinguish between the opt.out and the carboncable. You never controlled for faulty wiring. And your test is clearly not reproducable since many many people have tried the same thing and have not been able to detect differences, or made the electrical measurements which happened to be below threshold (in peer-reviewed journals, mind you). |
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Eddie Runner
"Mark Zarella" seesigfile wrote:
I ran one wire of off the volumecontrolled-line-out(with volume pot which acts on the line out AND on the headphones-out, $2cable) I ran another wire of off the line out ($200cable) And I ran a wire of off the optical-out. In my perfect listening environment (tiny student room...) on my ancient Pioneer speakers, I could tell the difference between the carboncable and the cheap cable 10 out of 10 times (monitor input, just ram the monitorbutton on the remote a dozen times, blind the status leds on the amp, and voila you have a blind test) couldn't distinguish between the opt.out and the carboncable. You never controlled for faulty wiring. And your test is clearly not reproducable since many many people have tried the same thing and have not been able to detect differences, or made the electrical measurements which happened to be below threshold (in peer-reviewed journals, mind you). Thus far no single "manufacturer" ( use quotes because none of them draw copper), distributor, retailer, enthusiast, engineer or scientist has reproduced a single bias controlled listening test that shows that nominally competent wiring has any affect on sound quality. I've conducted several controlled experiments (Check out "Wired Wisdom: Spt 1995 Sound & Vision or "To Tweak or Not to Tweak" June 1998 Stereo Review ) myself, one of which included the 'designer' of regionally distributed high-end audio cabling, and so far no single subject has ever been able to detect up to $300 a meter interconnects or speaker wires compared to junk-box rcas or zip cord under bias controlled conditions. For all practical purposes wire is wire when it comes to audio as long as it's reasonably well suited for the application and not broken. |
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Eddie Runner
The Lizard wrote:
*sl2perfect wrote: see -- See what? You don't quote, faggot. * at least you noticed something.....The lizard is a fag -- sl2perfect ------------------------------------------------------------------------ CarAudioForum.com - Usenet Gateway w/over one million posts online! View this thread: http://www.caraudioforum.com/vbb2/sh...hreadid=149603 |
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Eddie Runner
I participated in a test with $2500 per meter Van den hull cables
about 14 years ago. No one could tell them from the cheap stuff by listening... ALL the audio guys that worked at the high end store that sold the Van den Hulls were amazed , they thought they could but they COULD NOT hear anything... I think any resistance in the cables is pretty much so small you wont be able to notice anything with your ear... CONNECTORS is where way more rsistance comes from!! But unless they are pretty bad you wont be able to hear that either. Eddie Runner R-P wrote: Van den Hul cable is made up off carbon. It has 18,000 strands for signal and 36,000 strands for outer wiring, but the resistane is higher.... Would that, according to Pauls vendor, be a good or a bad thing? (PS: they are audiocables, but some racingteams use them. The pulse for the sparkplugs will smear less even though the resistance is higher. Whether this is a noticable effect, dunno. And yes, I could hear the difference in a test. Will not swear on my life that the difference wasn't due to the setup though) -- R-P ------------------------------------------------------------------------ CarAudioForum.com - Usenet Gateway w/over one million posts online! View this thread: http://www.caraudioforum.com/vbb2/sh...hreadid=149603 |
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Eddie Runner
Mark Zarella wrote:
* I ran one wire of off the volumecontrolled-line-out(with volume pot which acts on the line out AND on the headphones-out, $2cable) I ran another wire of off the line out ($200cable) And I ran a wire of off the optical-out. In my perfect listening environment (tiny student room...) on my ancient Pioneer speakers, I could tell the difference between the carboncable and the cheap cable 10 out of 10 times (monitor input, just ram the monitorbutton on the remote a dozen times, blind the status leds on the amp, and voila you have a blind test) couldn't distinguish between the opt.out and the carboncable. You never controlled for faulty wiring. And your test is clearly not reproducable since many many people have tried the same thing and have not been able to detect differences, or made the electrical measurements which happened to be below threshold (in peer-reviewed journals, mind you). * Now you know why I don't bet my life on it..... -- R-P ------------------------------------------------------------------------ CarAudioForum.com - Usenet Gateway w/over one million posts online! View this thread: http://www.caraudioforum.com/vbb2/sh...hreadid=149603 |
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