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If you had to replace HD 580 headphones...
My wife and I took a 2 week backwoods camp-and-canoe vacation just lately.
Unfortunately, our roving bionic security facility (an edgy Jindo bitch named Sidney) was kenneled elsewhere. Thief or thieves broke in, removing about $3,500 worth of bicycles, computer LCD displays and printer, headphones, and a nice GPS. Yes, there's insurance. There were a few jokes on the thieves. Among the headphones they took were a well-abused pair of ATs that were held together with polyurethane glue, hot melt glue, and solder. Unfortunately, the thieves also took my prized HD-580s, unwashed ear pads and all. So, they have a little bit of me to remember me by! ;-) That leads to this question: What is *your* nomination for replacements for my HD-580s? HD 580s seem to have disappeared from the new equipment marketplace. :-( Are HD 595's the answer? |
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Arny Krueger wrote:
My wife and I took a 2 week backwoods camp-and-canoe vacation just lately. Unfortunately, our roving bionic security facility (an edgy Jindo bitch named Sidney) was kenneled elsewhere. Thief or thieves broke in, removing about $3,500 worth of bicycles, computer LCD displays and printer, headphones, and a nice GPS. Yes, there's insurance. There were a few jokes on the thieves. Among the headphones they took were a well-abused pair of ATs that were held together with polyurethane glue, hot melt glue, and solder. Unfortunately, the thieves also took my prized HD-580s, unwashed ear pads and all. So, they have a little bit of me to remember me by! ;-) That leads to this question: What is *your* nomination for replacements for my HD-580s? HD 580s seem to have disappeared from the new equipment marketplace. :-( Are HD 595's the answer? A used pair of HD414s. Get the original ones, not the reissues. They sound very different. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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On Oct 20, 9:24*am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
My wife and I took a 2 week backwoods camp-and-canoe vacation just lately.. Unfortunately, our roving bionic security facility (an edgy Jindo bitch named Sidney) was kenneled elsewhere. Thief or thieves broke in, removing about $3,500 worth of bicycles, computer LCD displays and printer, headphones, and a nice GPS. Yes, there's insurance. There were a few jokes on the thieves. Among the headphones they took were a well-abused pair of ATs that were *held together with polyurethane glue, hot melt glue, and solder. Unfortunately, the thieves also took my prized HD-580s, unwashed ear pads and all. So, they have a little bit of me to remember me by! ;-) That leads to this question: What is *your* nomination for replacements for my HD-580s? HD 580s seem to have disappeared from the new equipment marketplace. :-( Are HD 595's *the answer? Give a listen to the Ultrasones if you can. Eric |
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On Oct 20, 8:24*am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
My wife and I took a 2 week backwoods camp-and-canoe vacation just lately.. Unfortunately, our roving bionic security facility (an edgy Jindo bitch named Sidney) was kenneled elsewhere. Thief or thieves broke in, removing about $3,500 worth of bicycles, computer LCD displays and printer, headphones, and a nice GPS. Yes, there's insurance. There were a few jokes on the thieves. Among the headphones they took were a well-abused pair of ATs that were *held together with polyurethane glue, hot melt glue, and solder. Unfortunately, the thieves also took my prized HD-580s, unwashed ear pads and all. So, they have a little bit of me to remember me by! ;-) That leads to this question: What is *your* nomination for replacements for my HD-580s? HD 580s seem to have disappeared from the new equipment marketplace. :-( Are HD 595's *the answer? If you can't find the reissue 414's, the 595 is a good step up ;-) Enjoy, CS |
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"Glenn Carlson" wrote in message
On 20 Oct 2008 10:26:30 -0400, Scott Dorsey wrote: Arny Krueger wrote: My wife and I took a 2 week backwoods camp-and-canoe vacation just lately. Unfortunately, our roving bionic security facility (an edgy Jindo bitch named Sidney) was kenneled elsewhere. Thief or thieves broke in, removing about $3,500 worth of bicycles, computer LCD displays and printer, headphones, and a nice GPS. Yes, there's insurance. There were a few jokes on the thieves. Among the headphones they took were a well-abused pair of ATs that were held together with polyurethane glue, hot melt glue, and solder. Unfortunately, the thieves also took my prized HD-580s, unwashed ear pads and all. So, they have a little bit of me to remember me by! ;-) That leads to this question: What is *your* nomination for replacements for my HD-580s? HD 580s seem to have disappeared from the new equipment marketplace. :-( Are HD 595's the answer? A used pair of HD414s. Get the original ones, not the reissues. They sound very different. --scott Are those the ones with the yellow foam pads? If so, I had the originals, 2 pairs in fact and they always seemed to end up buzzing after a few years. I dyed the ear pads blue BTW (Hey, maybe then didn't like the blue!) I've been occasionaly auditioning and avoiding HD 414s for decades, like since they first came out in the 1960s, if memory serves. |
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On Oct 20, 9:24*am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
My wife and I took a 2 week backwoods camp-and-canoe vacation just lately.. Unfortunately, our roving bionic security facility (an edgy Jindo bitch named Sidney) was kenneled elsewhere. Thief or thieves broke in, removing about $3,500 worth of bicycles, computer LCD displays and printer, headphones, and a nice GPS. Yes, there's insurance. There were a few jokes on the thieves. Among the headphones they took were a well-abused pair of ATs that were *held together with polyurethane glue, hot melt glue, and solder. Unfortunately, the thieves also took my prized HD-580s, unwashed ear pads and all. So, they have a little bit of me to remember me by! ;-) That leads to this question: What is *your* nomination for replacements for my HD-580s? HD 580s seem to have disappeared from the new equipment marketplace. :-( Are HD 595's *the answer? There's still the HD-600, and the HD-650, too. |
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"nebulax" wrote in message ... On Oct 20, 9:24 am, "Arny Krueger" wrote: My wife and I took a 2 week backwoods camp-and-canoe vacation just lately. Unfortunately, our roving bionic security facility (an edgy Jindo bitch named Sidney) was kenneled elsewhere. Thief or thieves broke in, removing about $3,500 worth of bicycles, computer LCD displays and printer, headphones, and a nice GPS. Yes, there's insurance. There were a few jokes on the thieves. Among the headphones they took were a well-abused pair of ATs that were held together with polyurethane glue, hot melt glue, and solder. Unfortunately, the thieves also took my prized HD-580s, unwashed ear pads and all. So, they have a little bit of me to remember me by! ;-) That leads to this question: What is *your* nomination for replacements for my HD-580s? HD 580s seem to have disappeared from the new equipment marketplace. :-( Are HD 595's the answer? There's still the HD-600, and the HD-650, too. I'll second the recommendation on the HD-600, I have that and the 580 and find that I reach for the 600's whenever I want the truth about a recording...it's the natural (and improved) successor to the 580. Perhaps not quite as comfortable on the ears as the 580, especially a well-worn-in pair, as the 600's exert a fraction more side pressure, but the design is very similar and the enhanced fidelity is worth any slight discomfort :-) Give the 600's an audition, the insurance payout should cover the cost. They use the same cable as the 580, so you know about the shortcomings there with dodgy connections, etc. Ray |
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If you had to replace HD 580 headphones...
If you liked the 580s, I'd go with buying a pair of high-end Sennheisers.
It's a shame electrostatics have gotten so expensive, but if you are a serious (that is, "sit down and listen attentively") listener, you should consider a pair of STAX. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stax_Earspeakers http://www.stax.co.jp/Export/ExportProducts.html http://www.needledoctor.com/Online-S...tax-Headphones PS: The SR-001 "earphone" model is excellent, but I don't recommend it for home use. |
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If you had to replace HD 580 headphones...
Don't forget that you can go to headphone.com because somewhere on
their site you can compare the frequency responses of up to four (I think) different headphones. If you liked your 580s, then I'm sure you could find something similar to them by using their chart. It's also fun to compare your headphones to earbuds and see how different they are. For what it's worth, I have thoroughly loved my hd650s and have for years. But honestly, you're just gonna have to go get your ears on different models to truly find what you are looking for. ~S |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote: My wife and I took a 2 week backwoods camp-and-canoe vacation just lately. Unfortunately, our roving bionic security facility (an edgy Jindo bitch named Sidney) was kenneled elsewhere. Thief or thieves broke in, removing about $3,500 worth of bicycles, computer LCD displays and printer, headphones, and a nice GPS. Yes, there's insurance. There were a few jokes on the thieves. Among the headphones they took were a well-abused pair of ATs that were held together with polyurethane glue, hot melt glue, and solder. Unfortunately, the thieves also took my prized HD-580s, unwashed ear pads and all. So, they have a little bit of me to remember me by! ;-) That leads to this question: What is *your* nomination for replacements for my HD-580s? HD 580s seem to have disappeared from the new equipment marketplace. :-( Are HD 595's the answer? My best wishes to you and your wife. If you can, turn the lemon into some sweet lemonade. I gotta admit, I am impressed with the AT ATH-M50. It's closer to the mark in terms of accuracy than any headphone I have ever spent time with. David Correia www.Celebrationsound.com |
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In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: My wife and I took a 2 week backwoods camp-and-canoe vacation just lately. Unfortunately, our roving bionic security facility (an edgy Jindo bitch named Sidney) was kenneled elsewhere. Thief or thieves broke in, removing about $3,500 worth of bicycles, computer LCD displays and printer, headphones, and a nice GPS. Yes, there's insurance. One other loss - a digital weather station that I picked up for less than $20 as a clearance, "special purchase" item at my favorite Aldi store. The big shock - I can't touch a similar item for much less than $100. There were a few jokes on the thieves. Among the headphones they took were a well-abused pair of ATs that were held together with polyurethane glue, hot melt glue, and solder. Unfortunately, the thieves also took my prized HD-580s, unwashed ear pads and all. So, they have a little bit of me to remember me by! ;-) That leads to this question: What is *your* nomination for replacements for my HD-580s? HD 580s seem to have disappeared from the new equipment marketplace. :-( Are HD 595's the answer? My best wishes to you and your wife. If you can, turn the lemon into some sweet lemonade. That appears to be in the hands of our insurance company. The bicycles were the more emotional loss - I will especially miss my old Nishiki. However, I must admit that the Trek that replaced it simply does everything I need now, a whole lot better. My wife's Trek was relatively new so it was totally replacable, but the depreciation of the dollar has pushed the price tag of its similar replacement up about 20%. I gotta admit, I am impressed with the AT ATH-M50. It's closer to the mark in terms of accuracy than any headphone I have ever spent time with. That's no fun, I already have a pair of those! ;-) For some reason, the thieves didn't take the AT ATH-M50. Perhaps they look too ordinary. As your comments suggest, they don't sound ordinary. BTW, this suggests that looking ordinary is not a fault for a true professional tool, it may even be a virtue. I call that "Inherent theft-proof" My 1995 Mystique sedan had that, too. ;-) The thieves left the 7506s as well. |
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On Oct 22, 2:30*am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"david correia" wrote in message In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: My wife and I took a 2 week backwoods camp-and-canoe vacation just lately. Unfortunately, our roving bionic security facility (an edgy Jindo bitch named Sidney) was kenneled elsewhere. Thief or thieves broke in, removing about $3,500 worth of bicycles, computer LCD displays and printer, headphones, and a nice GPS. Yes, there's insurance. The thieves *left the 7506s as well. I have the 580s and a friend had the 600s. They sound a feel close enough that I'd bet you'll really like them. |
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On 2008-10-22, david correia wrote:
I gotta admit, I am impressed with the AT ATH-M50. It's closer to the mark in terms of accuracy than any headphone I have ever spent time with. I found the ATH-M50 much more coloured than the HD 580. Better than all closed headphones I've tried, but unfortunately far from being as neutral and fatigue-free as the HD 580. Other problems include : - the pressure make my jaw hurt after a while, - nasty coiled cord hanging off the left can, - mediocre isolation. Still, they're my least-hated closed headphones for short runs. For long periods, I have to go back to the AKG K271 that sound far worse but do not physically HURT me. -- André Majorel URL:http://www.teaser.fr/~amajorel/ You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists -- Abbie Hoffman. |
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On 2008-10-25, Glenn Carlson wrote:
I went on a mission today listening to various headphones, amongst them the M50's. I agree with you concerning comfort. They hurt my head, but it was weird because it was more like my teeth and top of head hurt, not my ears or the side of my head which is typical with uncomfortable phones. Hi Glenn. Yes, the places that hurt are the jaw and teeth, not those on which there is any direct pressure. It's interesting that I'm not alone in getting that from the ATH-M50. I did however find them very flat sounding. In fact I was listening in a room that had wall to wall monitors and while not the best place to listen, I bopped between the Mackies, Dynaudio BM15 and Event ASP8 (My studio monitors) and then to the phones and these sounded pretty much, within reason, the same as the monitors. I hear a general grunginess on the ATH-M50 and an emphasis on the mids. Not as obnoxious as the K271, but bad enough that I wouldn't want to have to judge tonal balance with them. If the ATH-M50 work for you, all the better, though. I put a set of 7506's on and obviously the difference between the monitors, any of them, and the 7506 was huge... Never heard those, but from the reputation they have, I'm not surprised. I also listened to the Senny 595 which sounded very nice IMHO and was a heck of a lot more comfortable. But the HD 595 are open, aren't they ? Good-sounding closed headphones are hard to come by, that's the problem. Let us know how you like the Grados. -- André Majorel URL:http://www.teaser.fr/~amajorel/ You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists -- Abbie Hoffman. |
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"Glenn Carlson" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 22:24:28 +0000 (UTC), Andre Majorel wrote: I know this sounds strange and it is very difficult to describe so I suggest people try for themselves. The FR of headphones is affected by the shape of your pinnae (or auricles or outer ears). Since everybody's pinnae are different, a given set of headphones won't deliver the same acoustic signal to their ear canals. There are similar effects with IEMs, only they involve differences in individual ear canals instead. |
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I know this sounds strange and it is very difficult to describe so
I suggest people try for themselves. The FR of headphones is affected by the shape of your pinnae (or auricles or outer ears). Since everybody's pinnae are different, a given set of headphones won't deliver the same acoustic signal to their ear canals. But doesn't that depend on how the headphones' output interacts with the pinnae? If what you say were absolutely true (rather than generally true), then there would be little agreement on headphone quality (with respect to FR). But there is very strong agreement. |
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William Sommerwerck wrote:
I know this sounds strange and it is very difficult to describe so I suggest people try for themselves. The FR of headphones is affected by the shape of your pinnae (or auricles or outer ears). Since everybody's pinnae are different, a given set of headphones won't deliver the same acoustic signal to their ear canals. But doesn't that depend on how the headphones' output interacts with the pinnae? If what you say were absolutely true (rather than generally true), then there would be little agreement on headphone quality (with respect to FR). But there is very strong agreement. This would be particularly true for ear-bud types, which don't interact with the pinna at all. All the individual sound everyone is used to from their own ear shape is absent. d |
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"William Sommerwerck" wrote in message ... I know this sounds strange and it is very difficult to describe so I suggest people try for themselves. The FR of headphones is affected by the shape of your pinnae (or auricles or outer ears). Since everybody's pinnae are different, a given set of headphones won't deliver the same acoustic signal to their ear canals. But doesn't that depend on how the headphones' output interacts with the pinnae? Yes. If what you say were absolutely true (rather than generally true), then there would be little agreement on headphone quality (with respect to FR). Not necessarily. It's the usual question about what is the weakest link, and what determines what the listener hears. Some headphones are so bad that nobody's pinnae can help them. Others are really good. Other headphones manage the pinnae problem better than others. Take a headphone with a good flat, smooth driver, position and surround that driver in such a way that it interfaces well with most people's pinnae, and reliably create a sound that meets or exceeds market expectations. Lots of people are going to line up, money in hand. But there is very strong agreement. It all fits. |
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"Don Pearce" wrote in message et... William Sommerwerck wrote: "Arny Krueger" wrote in message om... The FR of headphones is affected by the shape of your pinnae (or auricles or outer ears). Since everybody's pinnae are different, a given set of headphones won't deliver the same acoustic signal to their ear canals. There are similar effects with IEMs, only they involve differences in individual ear canals instead. But doesn't that depend on how the headphones' output interacts with the pinnae? Yes. If what you say were absolutely true (rather than generally true), then there would be little agreement on headphone quality (with respect to FR). But there is very strong agreement. The agreement is to be expected. It's the usual question about what is the weakest link, and what determines what the listener hears. Some headphones are so bad that nobody's pinnae can help them. Others are really good. Other headphones manage the pinnae problem better than others. Take a headphone with a good flat, smooth driver, position and surround that driver in such a way that it interfaces well with most people's pinnae, and reliably create a sound that meets or exceeds market expectations. Lots of people are going to line up, money in hand. This would be particularly true for ear-bud types, which don't interact with the pinna at all. No, but they do interact with the ear canal. In my travels I found a text that was written for people who fit hearing aids. It describes the inside-the-ear acoustic effects that various kinds of ear canals, and how to modify IEMs to optimize them for these conditions. All the individual sound everyone is used to from their own ear shape is absent. Only part of the story. What we hear is affected by: (1) The shape of our head, which is individual. (2) The shape of our pinnae, which is individual (3) The shape of our ear canal, which is individual (4-...) The shape and construction of our ear drum, inner ear, the little bones, the basilar membrane, the whole 9 yards. Everybody's is different. And then it all gets dumped into that wet sponge we call our brain. ;-) So there is no marvel to the fact that going from speakers to headphones to IEMs are three different experiences. Some day we will be able to stimulate the hearing parts of our brain directly, but non-invasively. That will be yet another *sound*. I think a little of this is already happening. |
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Arny Krueger wrote:
"Don Pearce" wrote in message et... William Sommerwerck wrote: "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... The FR of headphones is affected by the shape of your pinnae (or auricles or outer ears). Since everybody's pinnae are different, a given set of headphones won't deliver the same acoustic signal to their ear canals. There are similar effects with IEMs, only they involve differences in individual ear canals instead. But doesn't that depend on how the headphones' output interacts with the pinnae? Yes. If what you say were absolutely true (rather than generally true), then there would be little agreement on headphone quality (with respect to FR). But there is very strong agreement. The agreement is to be expected. It's the usual question about what is the weakest link, and what determines what the listener hears. Some headphones are so bad that nobody's pinnae can help them. Others are really good. Other headphones manage the pinnae problem better than others. Take a headphone with a good flat, smooth driver, position and surround that driver in such a way that it interfaces well with most people's pinnae, and reliably create a sound that meets or exceeds market expectations. Lots of people are going to line up, money in hand. This would be particularly true for ear-bud types, which don't interact with the pinna at all. No, but they do interact with the ear canal. In my travels I found a text that was written for people who fit hearing aids. It describes the inside-the-ear acoustic effects that various kinds of ear canals, and how to modify IEMs to optimize them for these conditions. All the individual sound everyone is used to from their own ear shape is absent. Only part of the story. What we hear is affected by: (1) The shape of our head, which is individual. (2) The shape of our pinnae, which is individual (3) The shape of our ear canal, which is individual (4-...) The shape and construction of our ear drum, inner ear, the little bones, the basilar membrane, the whole 9 yards. Everybody's is different. And then it all gets dumped into that wet sponge we call our brain. ;-) So there is no marvel to the fact that going from speakers to headphones to IEMs are three different experiences. Some day we will be able to stimulate the hearing parts of our brain directly, but non-invasively. That will be yet another *sound*. I think a little of this is already happening. All true, but my point was that for ear buds the pinna is bypassed and can play no part in the shaping of the sound. d |
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"Don Pearce" wrote in message et... Arny Krueger wrote: ... This would be particularly true for ear-bud types, which don't interact with the pinna at all. All true, but my point was that for ear buds the pinna is bypassed and can play no part in the shaping of the sound. Well, that was one of my points a couple of posts back, but thanks for agreeing that it is a significant point. ;-) |
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If what you say were absolutely true (rather than generally true), then
there would be little agreement on headphone quality (with respect to FR). But there is very strong agreement. The agreement is to be expected. It's the usual question about what is the weakest link, and what determines what the listener hears. Some headphones are so bad that nobody's pinnae can help them. Others are really good. Then, by that reasoning, the better the headphones, the _greater_ the disagreement among listeners as to what they sound like. But this isn't true. If you (Arny) picked out three headphones you thought were unusually good, and three you thought were unusually bad, and I auditioned them blind (so that my own biases were minimized), I'd be willing to bet that there would be close to 100% agreement on which were good, which were bad, and why. |
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"William Sommerwerck" wrote in message ... If what you say were absolutely true (rather than generally true), then there would be little agreement on headphone quality (with respect to FR). But there is very strong agreement. The agreement is to be expected. It's the usual question about what is the weakest link, and what determines what the listener hears. Some headphones are so bad that nobody's pinnae can help them. Others are really good. Other headphones manage the pinnae problem better than others. Take a headphone with a good flat, smooth driver, position and surround that driver in such a way that it interfaces well with most people's pinnae, and reliably create a sound that meets or exceeds market expectations. Lots of people are going to line up, money in hand. Then, by that reasoning, the better the headphones, the _greater_ the disagreement among listeners as to what they sound like. Only true if you ignore the following: "Take a headphone with a good flat, smooth driver, position and surround that driver in such a way that it interfaces well with most people's pinnae, and reliably create a sound that meets or exceeds market expectations." Merely using a good driver is not sufficient to have a headphone that is widely agreed upon to be good sounding. The driver must be positioned and surrounded with ear cups in such a way that it interfaces well with most people's pinnae. |
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david correia wrote: In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: My wife and I took a 2 week backwoods camp-and-canoe vacation just lately. Unfortunately, our roving bionic security facility (an edgy Jindo bitch named Sidney) was kenneled elsewhere. Thief or thieves broke in, removing about $3,500 worth of bicycles, computer LCD displays and printer, headphones, and a nice GPS. Yes, there's insurance. There were a few jokes on the thieves. Among the headphones they took were a well-abused pair of ATs that were held together with polyurethane glue, hot melt glue, and solder. Unfortunately, the thieves also took my prized HD-580s, unwashed ear pads and all. So, they have a little bit of me to remember me by! ;-) That leads to this question: What is *your* nomination for replacements for my HD-580s? HD 580s seem to have disappeared from the new equipment marketplace. :-( Are HD 595's the answer? My best wishes to you and your wife. If you can, turn the lemon into some sweet lemonade. I gotta admit, I am impressed with the AT ATH-M50. It's closer to the mark in terms of accuracy than any headphone I have ever spent time with. David Correia www.Celebrationsound.com I've switched over to the ATH-M50s recently and they seem to translate pretty well, but I've been hearing some high frequency oddities since getting an Apogee Mini-Dac that don't show up on the 7506s. Also just got some Sennheiser HD-280 Pro sets at work that sound a bit like the ATs at first impression. They're mechanically similar to the ATs, so might produce the same comfort issues but I haven't worn them that long yet. -Jay -- x------- Jay Kadis ------- x ---- Jay's Attic Studio ----x x Lecturer, Audio Engineer x Dexter Records x x CCRMA, Stanford University x http://www.offbeats.com/ x x---------- http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~jay/ ------------x |
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"Jay Kadis" wrote in message ... In article , I've switched over to the ATH-M50s recently and they seem to translate pretty well, but I've been hearing some high frequency oddities since getting an Apogee Mini-Dac that don't show up on the 7506s. Hmm. My take is that M50s are less colored than 7506s, and less colored generally means more telling about subtle differences. Also just got some Sennheiser HD-280 Pro sets at work that sound a bit like the ATs at first impression. Please listen again. ;-) I have a pair of HD 280s that came out of storage after the thefts, if you catch my drift... They're mechanically similar to the ATs, so might produce the same comfort issues but I haven't worn them that long yet. I can live with my M50s pretty well, but the 280s fit my head like a vise. The good news is that tight fit is good for the bass, but the bass isn't the most important thing to me. Actually, the 280s sound somewhat thumpy to me. |
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