Chris Hornbeck wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 01:56:40 GMT, Patrick Turner
wrote:

The French are about to build a first nuclear fusion
reactor, and if that works, it may give at least a
lotta energy with out such a high cost or pollution,
but not straightway.....

Nuclear at least doesn't have the CO2 burden during
operation. Mining, etc. is a significant CO2 load,
and early on, was a net energy loss. Who could you
believe nowdays?

I really don't know.
At least I know I should always be doubtful about what i know,
and eternally distrusting of governments, corporations, lawyers, real estate
agents,
used car salesmen, doctors, psychiatrists, plumbers, whores,
and a hell of a lotta others I have not listed.



I don't give a **** about the future; it can all take care of itself.
If I live another 20 years, I reckon I will die at about the right time in
history.

We may very well have been blind **** house lucky enough
to have been born at exactly the best time in foreseeable
history. I'll take lucky over good any time.

Yeah, I missed out on being trundled off to war some place, medical
intervention
has saved my life at least 3 times, and when I was young, it seemed sensible to
want to settle
down and have a family, since all the small problems the world had could all be
fixed.

Anyway, all the women who were intelligent and ****able and willing,
( and this combination of 3 features in any sheila is quite rare ) had bigger
doubts about the future than I did,
and prefered the self indulgences of travel and multiple partners, and didn't
want to breed.

So I just don't worry about any legacy I may leave behind.

But nah, the problems won't be fixed at all......

You rebuild a few roads in a city, then next day there are 35,000 extra
cars......





Chris Hornbeck
"I met a girl, snowball in Hell; she was as hard and as cracked
as the Liberty Bell. I got her to come on and move in with me.
I said I'd find a better place we could spend eternity." -E.S.

Eternal regards and good luck to you and Snowbelle, I hope
she's a good cook.

Patrick Turner.

wrote:

I don't give a **** about the future; it can all take care of itself.
If I live another 20 years, I reckon I will die at about the right time in
history.

We may very well have been blind **** house lucky enough
to have been born at exactly the best time in foreseeable
history. I'll take lucky over good any time.

No, to be the age I am now in 1960 give or take a couple of years
would have been to be born at the exact best time in history. Certainly
for an American. In fact maybe even a little before that yet-Frank
Sinatra, Arthur Miller, Joe DiMaggio all hit the linen circa 1915.
America had its best days before the Vietnam debacle. Those of you in
backward nations may differ, those in more sophisticated ones also-I
consider Switzerland more sophisticated, all other English speaking
countries somewhat behind (the UK itself lost its ass after the war,
although 60s Carnaby Street Beatles London would have been
interesting...).

But for whom was it is ever the best time to be born?

Unfortunately not everyone gets a good deal with life while others
seem to get a dream run.
And still they complain about the weather.

Patrick Turner.

"Patrick Turner" wrote in message
...


wrote:

You'd better have a lot of real estate to cover with PV cells....and
before getting sanctimonius factor in the damage from semiconductor fab
plants to make those PV cells. Solar energy is still a very marginal
source because the amount of energy used to make the cells is never
factored in. Ditto wind power. Hydro is "cost effective" because the
dam builders don't pay for the now-submerged real estate-nor would
they pay if the dam failed and the newly dry, developed flooded areas
had to be paid for.

There is never going to be **FREE** energy, ever.

And if there was, all it would do will be to allow humans to rape their
envirinment
ever more cheaply by demanding ever more from it.

So free unpolluting energy and the unlimited amount of demand in humans
will most surely doom us all since the earth cannot sustain an unlimited
number
of demanding humans.

Simply put, the man who has access to a free can of gas will buy two
chainsaws
instead of one, and cut much more wood of the forest for his cabins to
house
his second and third wives, since demand has no bounds.

The French are about to build a first nuclear fusion reactor, and if that
works,
it may give at least a lotta energy with out such a high cost or
pollution,

but not straightway.....

Humans may need to genetically engineer themselves into new forms of
our species to be less egotistic, stupid, wasteful, and perhaps able to
eat
their own ****e
to improve their situation which may not be so good in 3005.
Maybe aids will become more virulent, and as transmissible as the common
cold.
Maybe in 5 million years cockroaches will evolve into intelligent forms
and
shove
whatever we become off the planet.

I don't give a **** about the future; it can all take care of itself.

If I live another 20 years, I reckon I will die at about the right time in
history.

I apologise in advance of this to all owners of tube gear; I won't be
around
to fix all your problems.

Patrick Turner.

Who will you bequeath your tube stuff to?
west

caBaaaaaaNG (sound of bullet entering my right temple).
west
"Patrick Turner" wrote in message
...


Chris Hornbeck wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 01:56:40 GMT, Patrick Turner
wrote:

The French are about to build a first nuclear fusion
reactor, and if that works, it may give at least a
lotta energy with out such a high cost or pollution,
but not straightway.....

Nuclear at least doesn't have the CO2 burden during
operation. Mining, etc. is a significant CO2 load,
and early on, was a net energy loss. Who could you
believe nowdays?

I really don't know.
At least I know I should always be doubtful about what i know,
and eternally distrusting of governments, corporations, lawyers, real
estate
agents,
used car salesmen, doctors, psychiatrists, plumbers, whores,
and a hell of a lotta others I have not listed.



I don't give a **** about the future; it can all take care of itself.
If I live another 20 years, I reckon I will die at about the right time
in
history.

We may very well have been blind **** house lucky enough
to have been born at exactly the best time in foreseeable
history. I'll take lucky over good any time.

Yeah, I missed out on being trundled off to war some place, medical
intervention
has saved my life at least 3 times, and when I was young, it seemed
sensible to
want to settle
down and have a family, since all the small problems the world had could
all be
fixed.

Anyway, all the women who were intelligent and ****able and willing,
( and this combination of 3 features in any sheila is quite rare ) had
bigger
doubts about the future than I did,
and prefered the self indulgences of travel and multiple partners, and
didn't
want to breed.

So I just don't worry about any legacy I may leave behind.

But nah, the problems won't be fixed at all......

You rebuild a few roads in a city, then next day there are 35,000 extra
cars......





Chris Hornbeck
"I met a girl, snowball in Hell; she was as hard and as cracked
as the Liberty Bell. I got her to come on and move in with me.
I said I'd find a better place we could spend eternity." -E.S.

Eternal regards and good luck to you and Snowbelle, I hope
she's a good cook.

Patrick Turner.

west wrote:

"Patrick Turner" wrote in message
...


wrote:

You'd better have a lot of real estate to cover with PV cells....and
before getting sanctimonius factor in the damage from semiconductor fab
plants to make those PV cells. Solar energy is still a very marginal
source because the amount of energy used to make the cells is never
factored in. Ditto wind power. Hydro is "cost effective" because the
dam builders don't pay for the now-submerged real estate-nor would
they pay if the dam failed and the newly dry, developed flooded areas
had to be paid for.

There is never going to be **FREE** energy, ever.

And if there was, all it would do will be to allow humans to rape their
envirinment
ever more cheaply by demanding ever more from it.

So free unpolluting energy and the unlimited amount of demand in humans
will most surely doom us all since the earth cannot sustain an unlimited
number
of demanding humans.

Simply put, the man who has access to a free can of gas will buy two
chainsaws
instead of one, and cut much more wood of the forest for his cabins to
house
his second and third wives, since demand has no bounds.

The French are about to build a first nuclear fusion reactor, and if that
works,
it may give at least a lotta energy with out such a high cost or
pollution,

but not straightway.....

Humans may need to genetically engineer themselves into new forms of
our species to be less egotistic, stupid, wasteful, and perhaps able to
eat
their own ****e
to improve their situation which may not be so good in 3005.
Maybe aids will become more virulent, and as transmissible as the common
cold.
Maybe in 5 million years cockroaches will evolve into intelligent forms
and
shove
whatever we become off the planet.

I don't give a **** about the future; it can all take care of itself.

If I live another 20 years, I reckon I will die at about the right time in
history.

I apologise in advance of this to all owners of tube gear; I won't be
around
to fix all your problems.

Patrick Turner.

Who will you bequeath your tube stuff to?
west

My friends.

Patrick Turner