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Power tube for guitar amp be used on Hi-Fi amp
My understanding is that there is no such thing as power tube for
guitar amp only as a tube is a tube. However, when I try to order some power tubes from a guitar store (as the price is good), I have to choose between hard, medium or soft. Apparently, the choice is about distortion and thus the sound coming out. So what is a good choice for using these kind of tubes for Hi-Fi amp or is it a stupid idea to use tubes intended for guitar amp on Hi-Fi (or mid-fi) amp? Thanks, P. I. |
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Power tube for guitar amp be used on Hi-Fi amp
"22/7" wrote in message ups.com... My understanding is that there is no such thing as power tube for guitar amp only as a tube is a tube. However, when I try to order some power tubes from a guitar store (as the price is good), I have to choose between hard, medium or soft. Apparently, the choice is about distortion and thus the sound coming out. So what is a good choice for using these kind of tubes for Hi-Fi amp or is it a stupid idea to use tubes intended for guitar amp on Hi-Fi (or mid-fi) amp? Thanks, P. I. AFAIK there is no such thing as a tube meant for one kind of amp over another. The whole reason to have a tube amp for guitar is because of the distortion. There are som solid state amps that are capable of emulating the sound of classic tube amps, you might want to look into. If you are going to stay with a tube amp, try a couple different ones, say a medium and a soft to see what if any difference you hear. |
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Power tube for guitar amp be used on Hi-Fi amp
Jere's a link to the kind of amp I was talking about. It will can make your
guitar sound like it's being played through any of 32 different classic amps. http://www.behringer.com/LX1-PRO/index.cfm?lang=ENG List is $249.00 but you could get it here http://www.zzounds.com/item--BEHVAMPPRO for $169.99. Or maybe something like this would be better :http://www.behringer.com/GX210/index.cfm?lang=ENG . It boils down to a choice between real tubes that eventuallyt have to be repalced or an amp that can make it sound like you're using any of several tube amps in various cabinets, that will probably outlast the tubes. Worth investigating. YMMV wrote in message nk.net... "22/7" wrote in message ups.com... My understanding is that there is no such thing as power tube for guitar amp only as a tube is a tube. However, when I try to order some power tubes from a guitar store (as the price is good), I have to choose between hard, medium or soft. Apparently, the choice is about distortion and thus the sound coming out. So what is a good choice for using these kind of tubes for Hi-Fi amp or is it a stupid idea to use tubes intended for guitar amp on Hi-Fi (or mid-fi) amp? Thanks, P. I. AFAIK there is no such thing as a tube meant for one kind of amp over another. The whole reason to have a tube amp for guitar is because of the distortion. There are som solid state amps that are capable of emulating the sound of classic tube amps, you might want to look into. If you are going to stay with a tube amp, try a couple different ones, say a medium and a soft to see what if any difference you hear. |
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Power tube for guitar amp be used on Hi-Fi amp
22/7 wrote: My understanding is that there is no such thing as power tube for guitar amp only as a tube is a tube. However, when I try to order some power tubes from a guitar store (as the price is good), I have to choose between hard, medium or soft. Apparently, the choice is about distortion and thus the sound coming out. So what is a good choice for using these kind of tubes for Hi-Fi amp or is it a stupid idea to use tubes intended for guitar amp on Hi-Fi (or mid-fi) amp? Guitar amplifiers use the same ( range of tubes ) that are available to everyone else. Different amplifiers use different tubes for a variety of reasons but notably because different output powers require tubes with appropriate ratings. Some esoteric guitar amplifiers do, I believe have biasing options that will affect the sound but that doesn't require different tubes to be fitted What's the part number of the tube you want to buy ? Oh - and now I can retract all I said ! I had half an idea ...... This company..... http://www.groovetubes.com/tubes_lis...ctGroup_ID=108 Makes 'customised' version of tubes. I'll bet these are the tubes your guitar dealer is referring to. They *aren't* 'standard' tubes. Avoid them for hi-fi. Just buy the 'stock' no-nonsence version. I'm sure many ppl here can advise on a good supplier. Graham |
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Power tube for guitar amp be used on Hi-Fi amp
Pooh Bear wrote:
22/7 wrote: My understanding is that there is no such thing as power tube for guitar amp only as a tube is a tube. That's essentially correct. DIfferent manufacturers' tubes *may* behave slightly differently when driven into distortion regions. Back in the day they wouldn't have worried about such behavior deviating from the industry standard for a specific 6V6 beyond that the tube shouldn't blow up unless being really abused. They would have focused on tube behavour in the normal linear operating regions most users would use the tubes for (linear hifi audio amps). However, when I try to order some power tubes from a guitar store (as the price is good), I have to choose between hard, medium or soft. Apparently, the choice is about distortion and thus the sound coming out. So what is a good choice for using these kind of tubes for Hi-Fi amp or is it a stupid idea to use tubes intended for guitar amp on Hi-Fi (or mid-fi) amp? Guitar amplifiers use the same ( range of tubes ) that are available to everyone else. Different amplifiers use different tubes for a variety of reasons but notably because different output powers require tubes with appropriate ratings. Some esoteric guitar amplifiers do, I believe have biasing options that will affect the sound but that doesn't require different tubes to be fitted This company..... http://www.groovetubes.com/tubes_lis...ctGroup_ID=108 Makes 'customised' version of tubes. I doubt that they actually manufacture tubes. Maybe hand pick tubes (or pick various manufacturers' for differing characteristics outside the normal operating regions) for their various different "flavors" for guitar amp use. I'll bet these are the tubes your guitar dealer is referring to. They *aren't* 'standard' tubes. Avoid them for hi-fi. Just buy the 'stock' no-nonsence version. I'm sure many ppl here can advise on a good supplier. Graham They may work fine for hifi use, but you should be able to get better prices elsewhere. |
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Power tube for guitar amp be used on Hi-Fi amp
robert casey wrote: Pooh Bear wrote: 22/7 wrote: My understanding is that there is no such thing as power tube for guitar amp only as a tube is a tube. That's essentially correct. DIfferent manufacturers' tubes *may* behave slightly differently when driven into distortion regions. Back in the day they wouldn't have worried about such behavior deviating from the industry standard for a specific 6V6 beyond that the tube shouldn't blow up unless being really abused. They would have focused on tube behavour in the normal linear operating regions most users would use the tubes for (linear hifi audio amps). However, when I try to order some power tubes from a guitar store (as the price is good), I have to choose between hard, medium or soft. Apparently, the choice is about distortion and thus the sound coming out. So what is a good choice for using these kind of tubes for Hi-Fi amp or is it a stupid idea to use tubes intended for guitar amp on Hi-Fi (or mid-fi) amp? Guitar amplifiers use the same ( range of tubes ) that are available to everyone else. Different amplifiers use different tubes for a variety of reasons but notably because different output powers require tubes with appropriate ratings. Some esoteric guitar amplifiers do, I believe have biasing options that will affect the sound but that doesn't require different tubes to be fitted I doubt that they actually manufacture tubes. Maybe hand pick tubes (or pick various manufacturers' for differing characteristics outside the normal operating regions) for their various different "flavors" for guitar amp use. Groove Tubes buys large quantities of cheap foreign tubes (for the most part), sorts out and peddles or destroys the duds, and "grades" and matches them according to the biasing needed for roughly approximate equal quiescent current and for distortion overload spectra. Theoretically, hi-fi users do not operate tubes in this region making it irrelevant. Other vendors approximate the approximateness of Groove Tubes. Generally better sources for tubes exist for any user, guitar or hi-fi, with the technical knowledge and willingness to use it as to bias amps correctly. In reality, because Aspen Pittman is almost wholly ignorant of basic electronics, they are a marketing/sales organization with a good line of BS and the dealer support and advertising to generate sales in the MI market. |
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Power tube for guitar amp be used on Hi-Fi amp
"RapidRonnie" wrote in message ups.com... wrote: Jere's a link to the kind of amp I was talking about. It will can make your guitar sound like it's being played through any of 32 different classic amps. http://www.behringer.com/LX1-PRO/index.cfm?lang=ENG List is $249.00 but you could get it here http://www.zzounds.com/item--BEHVAMPPRO for $169.99. Or maybe something like this would be better :http://www.behringer.com/GX210/index.cfm?lang=ENG . It boils down to a choice between real tubes that eventuallyt have to be repalced or an amp that can make it sound like you're using any of several tube amps in various cabinets, that will probably outlast the tubes. Worth investigating. YMMV Modelling based guitar effects devices (standalone, built into the amp, or built into the guitar itself) approximate the real thing about like a middle finger approximates an erect penis. And your proof of this is where? |
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Power tube for guitar amp be used on Hi-Fi amp
Modelling based guitar effects devices (standalone, built into the amp, or built into the guitar itself) approximate the real thing about like a middle finger approximates an erect penis. Depends on how good the models are.... ================================================== ==================== "I saw mommy blowing Santa Claus....." |
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Power tube for guitar amp be used on Hi-Fi amp
In article et,
says... "RapidRonnie" wrote in message oups.com... wrote: Jere's a link to the kind of amp I was talking about. It will can make your guitar sound like it's being played through any of 32 different classic amps. http://www.behringer.com/LX1-PRO/index.cfm?lang=ENG List is $249.00 but you could get it here http://www.zzounds.com/item--BEHVAMPPRO for $169.99. Or maybe something like this would be better :http://www.behringer.com/GX210/index.cfm?lang=ENG . It boils down to a choice between real tubes that eventuallyt have to be repalced or an amp that can make it sound like you're using any of several tube amps in various cabinets, that will probably outlast the tubes. Worth investigating. YMMV Modelling based guitar effects devices (standalone, built into the amp, or built into the guitar itself) approximate the real thing about like a middle finger approximates an erect penis. And your proof of this is where? In the listening. Modeling amps sound absolutely phony compared to a a good tube amp. |
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Power tube for guitar amp be used on Hi-Fi amp
Armand wrote: snip And your proof of this is where? In the listening. Modeling amps sound absolutely phony compared to a a good tube amp. Actually they have went in the last five years or so from being so blatant no one could stand to use them to passable if you are playing airport lounge casuals gigs. But they have about plateaued as far as I can tell. |
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Power tube for guitar amp be used on Hi-Fi amp
Bret Ludwig wrote: Armand wrote: snip And your proof of this is where? In the listening. Modeling amps sound absolutely phony compared to a a good tube amp. Actually they have went in the last five years or so from being so blatant no one could stand to use them to passable if you are playing airport lounge casuals gigs. But they have about plateaued as far as I can tell. Unfortunately FAA noise regs no longer allow airplanes loud enough to drown out the band sound that much.....Modeling amps are, if anything, WORSE than analog attempts to duplicate tube sound, like the Paul Reed Smith amps. |
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