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best anti-RF ignition wiring TYPE
best anti-RF ignition wiring TYPE
background: I am getting my vintage AM/FM Delco reconditioned with the intent of getting that "cruis'n feeling" I will also add non-vintage sound deadening, and other electrical/static improvements noted here and elsewhere. Thanks for the help. My query in a different area. In the sixties, I was always changing ignition cables attempting to minimize "ignition buzz" on my radio. (not really a problem since the mid-70s). Back then, I found one type that worked ok, but I cannot find it any more. (Most of this help in the 60's came from that Hams, thus I am including them in this question) Now for the "new" question. What "TYPE" of ignition wiring for maximum should I get for my Avanti (with modern electronic distributor) R2? |
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It's copper core spark plug wires that contribute to a lot of that hum, isn't it? I bte that some of the hum in electronics from that era is often attributed to the condition of solid state electronics not being able to reject noise as well as they do now. What sort of mods are you doing to the radio? I've had good luck in getting rid of hums in solid state equipment from the 70's by using updated transistors, new caps and all new sheilded wiring where appropriate. It worked wonders on the Dynaco ST 120 that I rebuilt. Of course it's not for a car, but even something as minor as touching up the solder joints with fresh, high qaulity solder can make a world of difference. Check capacitors for leaks as well. -- flak_monkey |
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On 29 Oct 2006 14:25:38 -0800, "63Avanti" wrote:
best anti-RF ignition wiring TYPE background: I am getting my vintage AM/FM Delco reconditioned with the intent of getting that "cruis'n feeling" I will also add non-vintage sound deadening, and other electrical/static improvements noted here and elsewhere. Thanks for the help. My query in a different area. In the sixties, I was always changing ignition cables attempting to minimize "ignition buzz" on my radio. (not really a problem since the mid-70s). Back then, I found one type that worked ok, but I cannot find it any more. (Most of this help in the 60's came from that Hams, thus I am including them in this question) Now for the "new" question. What "TYPE" of ignition wiring for maximum should I get for my Avanti (with modern electronic distributor) R2? Most all new cars use anti-rf plugs and cables.. Just get a set of quality resistor plugs and resistor wires. |
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63Avanti wrote: I am getting my vintage AM/FM Delco reconditioned with the intent of getting that "cruis'n feeling" I will also add non-vintage sound deadening, and other electrical/static improvements noted here and elsewhere. Thanks for the help. In the sixties, I was always changing ignition cables attempting to minimize "ignition buzz" on my radio. (not really a problem since the mid-70s). Back then, I found one type that worked ok, but I cannot find it any more. ( What "TYPE" of ignition wiring for maximum should I get for my Avanti (with modern electronic distributor) R2? There are only 2 types of RF supression wi resistive and inductive. The latter is often referred to as "magnetic" and is widely available, but it doesn't seem to work any better than the resistive type. A significant amount of igniton noise comes from the connection between the plug and the plug wire, and grounded metal shields over the boots can help here. There are wire kits with these boots, mostly for German cars, or they can be made with metal tubing slipped snugly over the metal bases of the plugs. |
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63Avanti wrote:
best anti-RF ignition wiring TYPE background: I am getting my vintage AM/FM Delco reconditioned with the intent of getting that "cruis'n feeling" I will also add non-vintage sound deadening, and other electrical/static improvements noted here and elsewhere. Thanks for the help. My query in a different area. In the sixties, I was always changing ignition cables attempting to minimize "ignition buzz" on my radio. (not really a problem since the mid-70s). Back then, I found one type that worked ok, but I cannot find it any more. (Most of this help in the 60's came from that Hams, thus I am including them in this question) Now for the "new" question. What "TYPE" of ignition wiring for maximum should I get for my Avanti (with modern electronic distributor) R2? Are you sure, first of all, that it's ignition noise you're experiencing, and not alternator whine, or EMI from another source? Or is this just all precautionary? First thing I'd recommend, IF there's noise, is confirming the source of it, before putting the time and effort into addressing one possible source. |
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Yep...as Matt says......... I've got a so, so AM-FM radio with "inexpensive" plug wires. The ignition is quite...but the alternator whines a bit. I know for a fact it's the alternator because it's one of the one wire types that comes in at about 1600 rpm when cold. So a first start at low rpm...no chargeing....the radio is noise free. As soon as the alternator comes in....whiiinnne..... Mike |
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Matt Ion wrote: 63Avanti wrote: best anti-RF ignition wiring TYPE background: I am getting my vintage AM/FM Delco reconditioned with the intent of getting that "cruis'n feeling" I will also add non-vintage sound deadening, and other electrical/static improvements noted here and elsewhere. Thanks for the help. My query in a different area. In the sixties, I was always changing ignition cables attempting to minimize "ignition buzz" on my radio. (not really a problem since the mid-70s). Back then, I found one type that worked ok, but I cannot find it any more. (Most of this help in the 60's came from that Hams, thus I am including them in this question) Now for the "new" question. What "TYPE" of ignition wiring for maximum should I get for my Avanti (with modern electronic distributor) R2? Are you sure, first of all, that it's ignition noise you're experiencing, and not alternator whine, or EMI from another source? Or is this just all precautionary? First thing I'd recommend, IF there's noise, is confirming the source of it, before putting the time and effort into addressing one possible source. Just to clarify, he's talking about an Avanti here; having an all-fiberglass body, suppressing ANY source of noise is of utmost importance. nate |
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N8N wrote:
Matt Ion wrote: 63Avanti wrote: best anti-RF ignition wiring TYPE background: I am getting my vintage AM/FM Delco reconditioned with the intent of getting that "cruis'n feeling" I will also add non-vintage sound deadening, and other electrical/static improvements noted here and elsewhere. Thanks for the help. My query in a different area. In the sixties, I was always changing ignition cables attempting to minimize "ignition buzz" on my radio. (not really a problem since the mid-70s). Back then, I found one type that worked ok, but I cannot find it any more. (Most of this help in the 60's came from that Hams, thus I am including them in this question) Now for the "new" question. What "TYPE" of ignition wiring for maximum should I get for my Avanti (with modern electronic distributor) R2? Are you sure, first of all, that it's ignition noise you're experiencing, and not alternator whine, or EMI from another source? Or is this just all precautionary? First thing I'd recommend, IF there's noise, is confirming the source of it, before putting the time and effort into addressing one possible source. Just to clarify, he's talking about an Avanti here; having an all-fiberglass body, suppressing ANY source of noise is of utmost importance. nate And it could be noise from a DC motor (fans for air/radiator). It could come a variety of sources. I would narrow it down, and it shouldn't be too hard to do either.... Bob |
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63Avanti wrote:
best anti-RF ignition wiring TYPE background: I am getting my vintage AM/FM Delco reconditioned with the intent of getting that "cruis'n feeling" I will also add non-vintage sound deadening, and other electrical/static improvements noted here and elsewhere. Thanks for the help. My query in a different area. In the sixties, I was always changing ignition cables attempting to minimize "ignition buzz" on my radio. (not really a problem since the mid-70s). Back then, I found one type that worked ok, but I cannot find it any more. (Most of this help in the 60's came from that Hams, thus I am including them in this question) Now for the "new" question. What "TYPE" of ignition wiring for maximum should I get for my Avanti (with modern electronic distributor) R2? Generally, to cut down the static noise (RFI) on older cars, you would find condensers on the alternator, distributor, wiper motor, and on the radio itself. There was also ignition shielding and resistor wires and plugs. The values on the condensers are all different, so swapping them may cause problems rather than being a remedy. I've never seen any on a heater or A/C fan motor, but it's also a source of RFI. Even sliding your butt on the seat covers will create a charge. You remember those little flexible tails that used to be attached to the chassis and drag on the ground?. |
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Why even worry? My '64 R-2 was so noisy that I couldn't hear the FM anyhowG. Paul Johnson |
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wrote: There are only 2 types of RF supression wi resistive and inductive. The latter is often referred to as "magnetic" and is widely available, but it doesn't seem to work any better than the resistive type. A significant amount of igniton noise comes from the connection between the plug and the plug wire, and grounded metal shields over the boots can help here. There are wire kits with these boots, mostly for German cars, or they can be made with metal tubing slipped snugly over the metal bases of the plugs. I recommend getting a copy of the ARRL Hints and Kinks for Radio Amateurs book... get one of the mid-fifties editions and there is a whole section on eliminating ignition noise with homebrew shielding over the plug wires and shield cans over the distributor. I agree that with modern resistive wires, things will be a lot better. Back in the fifties, plug wires were normally copper. Often folks would buy it on long rolls and terminate it in the shop themselves. Today, plug wires have a conductive element that is conductive plastic, usually a nylon with carbon in it, and the wire itself has a few kilohms of resistance. That, combined with a modern coil design, means you get less high frequency ringing after the initial spark impulse which cuts way down on the noise. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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N8N wrote:
Just to clarify, he's talking about an Avanti here; having an all-fiberglass body, suppressing ANY source of noise is of utmost importance. I did not realize it was an Avanti. In that case, I think I would be worried less about noise issues than making sure the radio antenna had a proper centerpoise, because it can't use the metal body. The more _signal_ you get, the more noise you can live with. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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"63Avanti" wrote in message ups.com... best anti-RF ignition wiring TYPE background: I am getting my vintage AM/FM Delco reconditioned with the intent of getting that "cruis'n feeling" I will also add non-vintage sound deadening, and other electrical/static improvements noted here and elsewhere. Thanks for the help. Check www.magnecor.com for EMI-reducing spark plug wires. |
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That's the same outfit that told me they could supply 7mm wires but only if
I wasn't putting the stainless shielding back in place. Brooksie "Bob M." wrote in message ... "63Avanti" wrote in message ups.com... best anti-RF ignition wiring TYPE background: I am getting my vintage AM/FM Delco reconditioned with the intent of getting that "cruis'n feeling" I will also add non-vintage sound deadening, and other electrical/static improvements noted here and elsewhere. Thanks for the help. Check www.magnecor.com for EMI-reducing spark plug wires. |
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