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It's on page # 231 Pat !!
** The definition of " U " in at the bottom of page 231. The definition of "µ" is on the top of page 230. BTW To get " µ " just press the Alt key and type 230 at the same time. Scary co-incidence - what ?? ............ Phil |
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Phil Allison wrote: ** The definition of " U " in at the bottom of page 231. The definition of "µ" is on the top of page 230. I did not want to have to use greek symbols for U as used in transformer equations shown at my website where I list the terms used in equations lest anyone misunderstand what I meant. The local context is abuntantly clear. U in RDH4 is actually magnetic potential difference. I don't use the term in my transformer equations. BTW To get " µ " just press the Alt key and type 230 at the same time. Nothing occurs when I do this. I suppose you are trying to tell me that I should make sure the correct greek symbol should be always typed in whenever it occurs. I know more about tube technology than I do about typing, and as I said, I make sure its obvious what I mean when I quote equations. In quoted the equation for inductance at least twice in the last fortnight, with the list of items defined below the equation. Maybe you didn't read what I had typed, and were too carried away with trying to find personal faults rather than contribute to the group's pool of wisdom. Scary co-incidence - what ?? You are fussing over nothing Phil. I suppose I could use a small letter "u" to indicate permeability, but then folks might have got confused with "u" used as a symbol for the amplification factor. I don't believe it is necessary for a completely 100% accurate regurgitation of RDH4 to be included at my website, and to err with one letter of the greek alphabet to accomodate simplicity is quite acceptable. I don't set out to teach people basic facts about electro magnetics; 99% wouldn't have any idea. But I assure you that if folks follow the simple thread of logic at my website in the preparation of OPTs and mains trannies, they will end up with fine articles. Of course should they try to augment their knowledge from RDH4, well and good, because it is a repositry for a deeper understanding. Other books on electro magnetics, and field theory could be studied. These exist in university libraries, but a fine ability with mathematics is usually required for anyone to understand them. But the fact remains that just because one isn't a university educated person who has majored in magnetics, it does not mean you cannot make superb AF transformers for tube amps et all. No need to tell all I am a criminal, or command me to get cancer and die. Patrick Turner. ........... Phil |
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"Patrick Turner" Phil Allison wrote: ** The definition of " U " in at the bottom of page 231. The definition of "µ" is on the top of page 230. I did not want to have to use greek symbols for U as used in transformer equations shown at my website where I list the terms used in equations lest anyone misunderstand what I meant. ** RAT is not your ****ing web site - you ****ing autistic ****. You do not get to invent your own ****ing terminology. The local context is abuntantly clear. ** Arseholes it is clear. U in RDH4 is actually magnetic potential difference. ** You don't say ................................ I don't use the term in my transformer equations. ** Poor diddums - that must be why the Turneroid's asinine equations are all ****ing wrong. BTW To get " µ " just press the Alt key and type 230 at the same time. Nothing occurs when I do this. ** ROTFLMAO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! µ µ µ µ µ µ µ µ µ µ .................... I suppose you are trying to tell me that I should make sure the correct greek symbol should be always typed in whenever it occurs. ** ? ? ? ß ....................... I know more about tube technology than I do about typing, ** You know **** about either. and as I said, I make sure its obvious what I mean when I quote equations. ** Like inventing "U" for "µ " and telling no-one on usenet ??? No need to tell all I am a criminal, or command me to get cancer and die. ** Sure, but it is a damn fine idea anyhow. ............. Phil |
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Phil Allison wrote: "Patrick Turner" Phil Allison wrote: ** The definition of " U " in at the bottom of page 231. The definition of "µ" is on the top of page 230. I did not want to have to use greek symbols for U as used in transformer equations shown at my website where I list the terms used in equations lest anyone misunderstand what I meant. ** RAT is not your ****ing web site - you ****ing autistic ****. You do not get to invent your own ****ing terminology. The local context is abuntantly clear. ** Arseholes it is clear. Snip a stream of crap.... My website is mine, and its content remains abuntantly clear to all except you. RAT isn't **MY** website, and I have never said it was. It most certainly isn't yours. RAT belongs to all of us, and there isn't one of us who must conform to your or my ideas of terminology, or anyone else's, or put up the demonic methods you use to enforce application of your ideas. RAT's purpose is to allow folks to discuss tube craft in any way ppl want, and those who are polite, well humoured, and clever will get their posts read, not killfilled, as is mostly the case with your posts. I do try to stick with RDH4 terminology as much as possible, but without having to use greek letters. Everyone except you has no problem with that. Patrick Turner. |
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"Patrick Turner" wrote
I do try to stick with RDH4 terminology as much as possible, but without having to use greek letters. Everyone except you has no problem with that. Lot's of folk might have a problem if they could be bothered reading your interminable regurgitations, and could be arsed to bother about the terminology within, and then could be arsed to comment on same, considering you get tetchy and abusively defensive when challenged. RDH4 seems antiquated and laborious to me, like reading old english in gothic script. I suppose if you want to create the impression of a mystic cult or a quaint historical amusement, it might be worth clinging to. cheers, Ian |
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"Ian Iveson" wrote in message . uk... "Patrick Turner" wrote I do try to stick with RDH4 terminology as much as possible, but without having to use greek letters. Everyone except you has no problem with that. Lot's of folk might have a problem if they could be bothered reading your interminable regurgitations, and could be arsed to bother about the terminology within, and then could be arsed to comment on same, considering you get tetchy and abusively defensive when challenged. RDH4 seems antiquated and laborious to me, like reading old english in gothic script. I suppose if you want to create the impression of a mystic cult or a quaint historical amusement, it might be worth clinging to. cheers, Ian When the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail........... |
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Patrick Turner" Phil Allison wrote: ** The definition of " U " in at the bottom of page 231. The definition of "µ" is on the top of page 230. I did not want to have to use greek symbols for U as used in transformer equations shown at my website where I list the terms used in equations lest anyone misunderstand what I meant. ** RAT is not your ****ing web site - you ****ing autistic ****. You do not get to invent your own ****ing terminology. The local context is abuntantly clear. ** Arseholes it is clear. U in RDH4 is actually magnetic potential difference. ** You don't say ................................ I don't use the term in my transformer equations. ** Poor diddums - that must be why the Turneroid's asinine equations are all ****ing wrong. BTW To get " µ " just press the Alt key and type 230 at the same time. Nothing occurs when I do this. ** ROTFLMAO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! µ µ µ µ µ µ µ µ µ µ .................... I know more about tube technology than I do about typing, ** You know **** about either. and as I said, I make sure its obvious what I mean when I quote equations. ** Like inventing "U" for "µ " and telling no-one on usenet ??? No need to tell all I am a criminal, or command me to get cancer and die. ** Sure, but it is a damn fine idea anyhow. ............. Phil |
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Phil Allison wrote:
** The definition of " U " in at the bottom of page 231. The definition of "µ" is on the top of page 230. BTW To get " µ " just press the Alt key and type 230 at the same time. Scary co-incidence - what ?? What??? Here's what I got: ™£º Maybe it's 'cos I use a Mac? Don't be a ****head Phil, keep your petty, small-minded, ill-informed, off-topic rantings to yourself and leave the rest of us alone. Nobody likes you, you're just a waste of space and living proof of the need for retrospective abortions. Eat **** and die windoze luser. M. |
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"Mark Liar" Maybe it's 'cos I use a Mac? ** For what ? Surfing child porn sites. Don't be a ****head Phil, keep your petty, small-minded, ill-informed, off-topic rantings to yourself and leave the rest of us alone. * Go straight to hell - you worthless POS. ................. Phil |
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Apologies all for feeding the troll...
Phil Allison wrote: "Mark Liar" Maybe it's 'cos I use a Mac? ** For what ? Surfing child porn sites. You have no clue. Seriously Phil, get your hand off it, step away from the FeeCee and take a look in the mirror. No, really, take a good, long look at yourself, and don't come back... please, for the sake of all us that think this world would be a better place without you. Don't be a ****head Phil, keep your petty, small-minded, ill-informed, off-topic rantings to yourself and leave the rest of us alone. * Go straight to hell - you worthless POS. I'll see you there, Phil, you got nuthin'. M. |
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"Mark Liar" . ** Yet another cretinous NG troll delivered courtesy of stinking Hotmail. Puuuuuuuukkkeeee ..... Maybe it's 'cos I use a Mac? ** For what ? Surfing child porn sites. You have no clue. ** Not about porn sites I don't - but I bet you are a real expert. Don't be a ****head Phil, keep your petty, small-minded, ill-informed, off-topic rantings to yourself and leave the rest of us alone. ** All my posts are on topic - shame that dim witted tube ****heads like the Turneroid fail to comprehend their own subject so comprehensively. ** Go straight to hell - you worthless POS. I'll see you there, Phil, you got nuthin'. ** Rocket scientist type for sure. ROTFL !! ................ Phil |
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Ian Iveson wrote: "Patrick Turner" wrote I do try to stick with RDH4 terminology as much as possible, but without having to use greek letters. Everyone except you has no problem with that. Lot's of folk might have a problem if they could be bothered reading your interminable regurgitations, and could be arsed to bother about the terminology within, and then could be arsed to comment on same, considering you get tetchy and abusively defensive when challenged. Lots of folk have NEVER had a problem, or i would have been besieged with angry ants leading them astray. In 3+ years my site has been up with formula that are very useful and clearly followable. Only PA has picked the U business. I wrote the website to give people with as much determination as myself a little head start. RDH4 seems antiquated and laborious to me, like reading old english in gothic script. I suppose if you want to create the impression of a mystic cult or a quaint historical amusement, it might be worth clinging to. I do try to keep to the lettering sytem used in RDH4. For the groups, I don't go to the trouble of using greek letters. Nobody else does or has ever done while I have been around. But I usually make sure formulas are clear. I also expect that anyone reading me has the determination to find a lot out on their own, and that they not expect me to entirely spoon feed them like an infant. Only someone a bit dim like yourself would find RDH4 antiquated and laborious. How long is your attention span? 10 seconds, or 10 years? I make no apology for defending RDH4. There has never been another better book written about tube use and aimed at such a broad range of ppl, imho. All those ppl need to have some real amount of intelligence and education. Analog electronic engineering as it was in 1955 is fairly frugally dealt with in RDH4; the fuller story needs to be read in the reference material which the RDH4 tries to summarize. Every single sentence in the book tries to waste no words. Finding the references in RDH4 is now nigh impossible. I have not needed to find them because the advice in RDH4 still managed to be sufficient, and then I do also have many other books, including your fav by Morgan Jones. Where did MJ get all his basic info from? From the blokes who went before him. Patrick Turner. cheers, Ian |
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"Mark Lar" wrote
Maybe it's 'cos I use a Mac? Don't be a ****head Phil, keep your petty, small-minded, ill-informed, off-topic rantings to yourself and leave the rest of us alone. Nobody likes you, you're just a waste of space and living proof of the need for retrospective abortions. Eat **** and die windoze luser. Don't be so nasty and hurtful, he's just trying to help. Don't worry, Phil, *I* like you. Once Patrick Turner discovers the ascii extended character set, he'll be able to type in the whole of RDH4 at last. http://www.cdrummond.qc.ca/cegep/inf...iles/ascii.htm Or perhaps it would be easier to cut and paste...there are a few mus in this thread to be going on with. cheers, Ian |
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"Phil Allison" wrote in message
... ** The definition of " U " in at the bottom of page 231. The definition of "µ" is on the top of page 230. BTW To get " µ " just press the Alt key and type 230 at the same time. Scary co-incidence - what ?? ........... Phil I hate to butt in, but this is been on my mind for quite a long time. Does anyone recommend software that will give me all, or most of the math symbols for my word processor, email and posting to NGs? BTW: I now know the mu or micro sign, it's cumbersome, but it works. Thanks Phil. west the arm-chair psyche. |
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"west" "Phil Allison" ... BTW To get " µ " just press the Alt key and type 230 at the same time. I hate to butt in, but this is been on my mind for quite a long time. Does anyone recommend software that will give me all, or most of the math symbols for my word processor, email and posting to NGs? ** MS Word ( also OE follows suit) has the full ASCII character set available - just try using "Alt" and then 1, 2, 3 ........ 256 . You can use attachments to emails when you need to use them. Forget using them IN emails or for NGs postings , they will either not work or not show up for most other users. ............ Phil |
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west wrote: "Phil Allison" wrote in message ... ** The definition of " U " in at the bottom of page 231. The definition of "µ" is on the top of page 230. BTW To get " µ " just press the Alt key and type 230 at the same time. Scary co-incidence - what ?? ........... Phil I hate to butt in, but this is been on my mind for quite a long time. Does anyone recommend software that will give me all, or most of the math symbols for my word processor, email and posting to NGs? BTW: I now know the mu or micro sign, it's cumbersome, but it works. Thanks Phil. west the arm-chair psyche. I tried using Phil's recomendation to get U as a greek symbol, but it didn't work on my standard keyboard. Anyway, I doubt it matters, because usually I spell out what the terms in an equation are. And nobody else is entirely consistent. For eg, the letter used for voltage gain in amps is A in RDH4, where it is open loop gain, and when FB is used its closed loop gain and expressed as A' but other folks use VG, vg, M, N, whatever.... Patrick Turner. |
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this is been on my mind for quite a long time. Does anyone recommend software that will give me all, or most of the math symbols for my word processor, email and posting to NGs? BTW: I now know the mu or micro sign, it's cumbersome, but it works. In Windows XP: Start Button --- Programs --- Accessories --- System Tools --- Character Map cheers! cowboy --------------------- civilians murdered by various right-wing war criminals: Joseph Stalin ~ 30 million Adolph Hitler ~ 7 million George W. Bush ~ 1/4 million Osama bin Laden ~ 3000 http://semiskimmed.net/bushhitler/bush-hitler1.mov |
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cowboy wrote: this is been on my mind for quite a long time. Does anyone recommend software that will give me all, or most of the math symbols for my word processor, email and posting to NGs? BTW: I now know the mu or micro sign, it's cumbersome, but it works. In Windows XP: Start Button --- Programs --- Accessories --- System Tools --- Character Map cheers! cowboy No such thing in my W98. tnx anyway, Patrick Turner. --------------------- civilians murdered by various right-wing war criminals: Joseph Stalin ~ 30 million Adolph Hitler ~ 7 million George W. Bush ~ 1/4 million Osama bin Laden ~ 3000 http://semiskimmed.net/bushhitler/bush-hitler1.mov |
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"Patrick Turner" wrote in message ... | | | cowboy wrote: | | this is been on my mind for quite a long time. Does | anyone recommend software that will give me all, or most of the math | symbols | for my word processor, email and posting to NGs? BTW: I now know the mu or | micro sign, it's cumbersome, but it works. | | In Windows XP: | | Start Button --- Programs --- Accessories --- System Tools --- Character | Map | | cheers! | | cowboy | | No such thing in my W98. | | tnx anyway, | | Patrick Turner. | control panel-add remove programs-windows setup-system tools-details-MARK! character map ; put W98 cd in tray or ashtray -if you wish -- -- .................................................. ........................ Choky Prodanovic Aleksandar YU "don't use force, "don't use force, use a larger hammer" use a larger tube - Choky and IST" - ZM .................................................. ........................... |
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Choky wrote: "Patrick Turner" wrote in message ... | | | cowboy wrote: | | this is been on my mind for quite a long time. Does | anyone recommend software that will give me all, or most of the math | symbols | for my word processor, email and posting to NGs? BTW: I now know the mu or | micro sign, it's cumbersome, but it works. | | In Windows XP: | | Start Button --- Programs --- Accessories --- System Tools --- Character | Map | | cheers! | | cowboy | | No such thing in my W98. | | tnx anyway, | | Patrick Turner. | control panel-add remove programs-windows setup-system tools-details-MARK! character map ; put W98 cd in tray or ashtray -if you wish Hmm, maybe I will just solder onwards without ash traying anything to do with OS or program instals; they have a habit of backfiring on me. No such "windows setup-system tools-details-MARK! character map" comes up after going to ad-remove programs..... I am hopeless with a PC, I only know a little about triodes. Patrick Turner. -- -- .................................................. ....................... Choky Prodanovic Aleksandar YU "don't use force, "don't use force, use a larger hammer" use a larger tube - Choky and IST" - ZM .................................................. .......................... |
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"west" wrote in message m... "Phil Allison" wrote in message ... ** The definition of " U " in at the bottom of page 231. The definition of "µ" is on the top of page 230. BTW To get " µ " just press the Alt key and type 230 at the same time. Scary co-incidence - what ?? ........... Phil I hate to butt in, but this is been on my mind for quite a long time. Does anyone recommend software that will give me all, or most of the math symbols for my word processor, email and posting to NGs? BTW: I now know the mu or micro sign, it's cumbersome, but it works. Thanks Phil. west the arm-chair psyche. I get the µ character by pressing Alt Gr + m. But I use a Scandi keyboard, so it might be different. Iain |
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