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Out of nowhere these 2 ultra reliable programs will not record worth
****. Both stumble and stall while tryhing to record. 16 tracks - 48kHz/24 bit. used to be no problem. Now neither work @ 16bit. I've tweaked both Windows (XP Pro) and the p;rogram settings. Any ideas whatmight be going on? |
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On 24/08/2016 4:25 PM, Rick Ruskin wrote:
Out of nowhere these 2 ultra reliable programs will not record worth ****. Both stumble and stall while tryhing to record. 16 tracks - 48kHz/24 bit. used to be no problem. Now neither work @ 16bit. I've tweaked both Windows (XP Pro) and the p;rogram settings. Any ideas whatmight be going on? Updated anything ? Maybe now that XP is no longer supported an application or driver update has broken something. Possibly an unrelated application or runtime library . geoff |
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On Wed, 24 Aug 2016 18:43:01 +1200, geoff
wrote: On 24/08/2016 4:25 PM, Rick Ruskin wrote: Out of nowhere these 2 ultra reliable programs will not record worth ****. Both stumble and stall while tryhing to record. 16 tracks - 48kHz/24 bit. used to be no problem. Now neither work @ 16bit. I've tweaked both Windows (XP Pro) and the p;rogram settings. Any ideas whatmight be going on? Updated anything ? Maybe now that XP is no longer supported an application or driver update has broken something. Possibly an unrelated application or runtime library . geoff Nope. No updates and this computer is not connected to anything other than audio devices. |
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On Wed, 24 Aug 2016 04:25:20 +0000 (UTC), Rick Ruskin
wrote: Out of nowhere these 2 ultra reliable programs will not record worth ****. Both stumble and stall while tryhing to record. 16 tracks - 48kHz/24 bit. used to be no problem. Now neither work @ 16bit. I've tweaked both Windows (XP Pro) and the p;rogram settings. Any ideas whatmight be going on? Check your sound card driver settings (I presume you are using ASIO). It could be that your buffer size has been reduced (these things happen) below the point where windows can keep up. That will cause stalling. In general for recording you can make the buffer as big as you like because latency is not an issue. If you are multitracking, then it needs to be as low as you can make it without stalling. Download a copy of DPCLAT. This will alert you to any actual machine problems that are making latency higher than it should be. You may have a new process going on that you aren't aware of. d --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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"Rick Ruskin" wrote in message ... Out of nowhere these 2 ultra reliable programs will not record worth ****. Both stumble and stall while tryhing to record. 16 tracks - 48kHz/24 bit. used to be no problem. Now neither work @ 16bit. I've tweaked both Windows (XP Pro) and the p;rogram settings. Any ideas whatmight be going on? Try a system restore from a time when it was working. Poly |
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On 24/08/2016 10:12 PM, Don Pearce wrote:
On Wed, 24 Aug 2016 04:25:20 +0000 (UTC), Rick Ruskin wrote: Out of nowhere these 2 ultra reliable programs will not record worth ****. Both stumble and stall while tryhing to record. 16 tracks - 48kHz/24 bit. used to be no problem. Now neither work @ 16bit. I've tweaked both Windows (XP Pro) and the p;rogram settings. Any ideas whatmight be going on? Check your sound card driver settings (I presume you are using ASIO). Check your application settings have not somehow reverted to Windows Sound Mapper instead of the soundcard's ASIO or the direct Windows 'Classic' Driver. geoff |
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On Wed, 24 Aug 2016 11:12:57 +0100, Don Pearce wrote:
On Wed, 24 Aug 2016 04:25:20 +0000 (UTC), Rick Ruskin wrote: Out of nowhere these 2 ultra reliable programs will not record worth ****. Both stumble and stall while tryhing to record. 16 tracks - 48kHz/24 bit. used to be no problem. Now neither work @ 16bit. I've tweaked both Windows (XP Pro) and the p;rogram settings. Any ideas whatmight be going on? Check your sound card driver settings (I presume you are using ASIO). It could be that your buffer size has been reduced (these things happen) below the point where windows can keep up. That will cause stalling. In general for recording you can make the buffer as big as you like because latency is not an issue. If you are multitracking, then it needs to be as low as you can make it without stalling. Audition 1.5 and before use the standard Windows MM drivers rather than ASIO. How much processing power is Audition using when it is stumbling? Could it be looking for a system device that isn't there? Is your hard disk fragmented or dying? Have you tried recording at 16 bits or 32 bits (CEP/Audition is very clunky with 24 bit files). I had Cool Edit Pro record 16 tracks simultaneously on a 233MHz Pentium in Windows 98 so it shouldn't need much processing power. Oh - and one other thought... Have you tried any other software? Reaper would be worth trying as it also comes with its own performance meter and is possibly more efficient than Cool Edit/Audition. Cheers, James. -- JRP Music - http://www.jrpmusic.co.uk |
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On 24 Aug 2016, geoff wrote in
rec.audio.pro: Check your application settings have not somehow reverted to Windows Sound Mapper instead of the soundcard's ASIO or the direct Windows 'Classic' Driver. This was going to be my suggestion, too. |
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On 24 Aug 2016, "James Perrett" wrote in
rec.audio.pro: Oh - and one other thought... Have you tried any other software? Reaper would be worth trying as it also comes with its own performance meter and is possibly more efficient than Cool Edit/Audition. I think Reaper is tons more efficient than Cool Edit, but they're different sorts of tools. Reaper is best for tracking and multi- tracking, Audition is best for surgical editing. They make a great pair. |
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On Wednesday, August 24, 2016 at 6:37:48 AM UTC-4, polymod wrote:
"Rick Ruskin" wrote in message ... Out of nowhere these 2 ultra reliable programs will not record worth ****. Both stumble and stall while tryhing to record. 16 tracks - 48kHz/24 bit. used to be no problem. Now neither work @ 16bit. I've tweaked both Windows (XP Pro) and the p;rogram settings. Any ideas whatmight be going on? Try a system restore from a time when it was working. Poly Good suggestion!! While everyone was switching to XP, they'd brag about Restoration points. What they didn't know, Windows ME offered that feature. I enjoyed ME, but many had problems with it, generally, from the unstable software they loaded. Jack |
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tweaked both Windows (XP Pro) and the p;rogram settings. Any ideas whatmight be going on? can task manager tell you what it is busy with? m |
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On Wed, 24 Aug 2016 13:53:29 +0100, Nil
wrote: On 24 Aug 2016, "James Perrett" wrote in rec.audio.pro: Oh - and one other thought... Have you tried any other software? Reaper would be worth trying as it also comes with its own performance meter and is possibly more efficient than Cool Edit/Audition. I think Reaper is tons more efficient than Cool Edit, but they're different sorts of tools. Reaper is best for tracking and multi- tracking, Audition is best for surgical editing. They make a great pair. Yes, they do make a good combination although I used to use the Multitrack window in CEP/Audition before Adobe messed it up in version 2. I think Rick is also talking about the multitrack view in his original query. -- JRP Music - http://www.jrpmusic.co.uk |
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On 8/24/2016 12:25 AM, Rick Ruskin wrote:
Out of nowhere these 2 ultra reliable programs will not record worth ****. Both stumble and stall while tryhing to record. 16 tracks - 48kHz/24 bit. used to be no problem. Now neither work @ 16bit. I've tweaked both Windows (XP Pro) and the p;rogram settings. Any ideas whatmight be going on? Check Device Manager to see if your hard drive has reverted to the PIO mode. |
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Any ideas whatmight be going on? Check Device Manager to see if your hard drive has reverted to the PIO mode. +1 HD normally uses Ultra DMA modes. If Windows detects errors it can switch the HD down to PIO modes. DMA = Direct Memory Access = fast PIO = programmed I/O mode which uses the CPU to move data = very slow. PIO can be 10x slower compared to DMA. Check the drive speed as follows: Right Click My Computer / properties / hardware tab / device manager button expand + IDE ATA / ATAPI controllers / double click primary IDE / Advanced Settings tab: Current Transfer mode = "Ultra DMA Mode x " x = 2 or 5. If it says PIO, that is the slow mode. Repeat for the Secondary IDE channel |
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On Thursday, August 25, 2016 at 10:14:25 AM UTC-4, wrote:
Any ideas whatmight be going on? Check Device Manager to see if your hard drive has reverted to the PIO mode. +1 HD normally uses Ultra DMA modes. If Windows detects errors it can switch the HD down to PIO modes. DMA = Direct Memory Access = fast When I got my Windows ME computer, I tried playing a DVD. Sadly, it was erratic, using Power DVD Software. I then went hunting, and enabled DMA. After that, DVD played nice and smooth! Jack PIO = programmed I/O mode which uses the CPU to move data = very slow. PIO can be 10x slower compared to DMA. Check the drive speed as follows: Right Click My Computer / properties / hardware tab / device manager button expand + IDE ATA / ATAPI controllers / double click primary IDE / Advanced Settings tab: Current Transfer mode = "Ultra DMA Mode x " x = 2 or 5. If it says PIO, that is the slow mode. Repeat for the Secondary IDE channel |
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On 25 Aug 2016, "James Perrett" wrote in
rec.audio.pro: Yes, they do make a good combination although I used to use the Multitrack window in CEP/Audition before Adobe messed it up in version 2. I think Rick is also talking about the multitrack view in his original query. Oh, OK, I didn't catch that first time around. I absolutely cannot stand Audition's multitrack view, so I probably subconsciously blinded myself to the possibility. |
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On Wed, 24 Aug 2016 04:25:20 +0000 (UTC), Rick Ruskin
wrote: Out of nowhere these 2 ultra reliable programs will not record worth ****. Both stumble and stall while tryhing to record. 16 tracks - 48kHz/24 bit. used to be no problem. Now neither work @ 16bit. I've tweaked both Windows (XP Pro) and the p;rogram settings. Any ideas whatmight be going on? Thanks for the info but none of your suggestions helped at all. To top it off, my interfaces began to misbehave. Reloading drivers did nothing to change matters. I re-installed XP and most but not all problems went away. After a morning's worth of changing buffer size/#'s, cache size, and telling Audition not to use the soundcard's pointer information, everything started to work properly. I have no idea if it was any one parameter or the combination but now that it's working, I'm leaving well enough alone. Rick Ruskin Lion Dog Music- Seattle WA http://liondogmusic.com |
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On 27/08/2016 6:24 AM, Rick Ruskin wrote:
Thanks for the info but none of your suggestions helped at all. To top it off, my interfaces began to misbehave. Reloading drivers did nothing to change matters. I re-installed XP and most but not all problems went away. After a morning's worth of changing buffer size/#'s, cache size, and telling Audition not to use the soundcard's pointer information, everything started to work properly. I have no idea if it was any one parameter or the combination but now that it's working, I'm leaving well enough alone. Rick Ruskin Lion Dog Music- Seattle WA http://liondogmusic.com I guess , hoping and assuming it does finally get remedied, it all depends on what value you put on your time versus the alternative approaches to the problem. geoff |
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On Sat, 27 Aug 2016 13:37:29 +1200, geoff
wrote: On 27/08/2016 6:24 AM, Rick Ruskin wrote: Thanks for the info but none of your suggestions helped at all. To top it off, my interfaces began to misbehave. Reloading drivers did nothing to change matters. I re-installed XP and most but not all problems went away. After a morning's worth of changing buffer size/#'s, cache size, and telling Audition not to use the soundcard's pointer information, everything started to work properly. I have no idea if it was any one parameter or the combination but now that it's working, I'm leaving well enough alone. Rick Ruskin Lion Dog Music- Seattle WA http://liondogmusic.com I guess , hoping and assuming it does finally get remedied, it all depends on what value you put on your time versus the alternative approaches to the problem. geoff Alternative approaches such as different software and/or hardware and the time involved in setup, learnin,g curve, not to mention expense were not at all appealing. Like I said, it has been a reliable system for a very long time. If it stays that way, I see no need to change anything. |
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On 27/08/2016 3:12 PM, Rick Ruskin wrote:
Alternative approaches such as different software and/or hardware and the time involved in setup, learnin,g curve, not to mention expense were not at all appealing. Like I said, it has been a reliable system for a very long time. If it stays that way, I see no need to change anything. True, but presumably one does draw the line somewhere. Hope we can come up with an idea before it gets to that point. In the meantime there is also http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PCDAW/ Pretty quiet there lately, but maybe worth a try ... geoff |
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On Sat, 27 Aug 2016 15:32:42 +1200, geoff
wrote: On 27/08/2016 3:12 PM, Rick Ruskin wrote: Alternative approaches such as different software and/or hardware and the time involved in setup, learnin,g curve, not to mention expense were not at all appealing. Like I said, it has been a reliable system for a very long time. If it stays that way, I see no need to change anything. True, but presumably one does draw the line somewhere. Hope we can come up with an idea before it gets to that point. In the meantime there is also http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PCDAW/ Pretty quiet there lately, but maybe worth a try ... geoff Now that it's all working, no line is needed. I'll draw one should a similar situation arise. Rick Ruskin Lion Dog Music- Seattle WA http://liondogmusic.com |
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On 27/08/2016 3:53 PM, Rick Ruskin wrote:
Now that it's all working, no line is needed. I'll draw one should a similar situation arise. Ooops - missed the bit where it is now working ! geoff |
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On 8/26/2016 2:24 PM, Rick Ruskin wrote:
Thanks for the info but none of your suggestions helped at all. To top it off, my interfaces began to misbehave. Reloading drivers did nothing to change matters. I re-installed XP and most but not all problems went away. After a morning's worth of changing buffer size/#'s, cache size, and telling Audition not to use the soundcard's pointer information, everything started to work properly. "Re-install Windows" used to be the #2 recommended remedy for audio problems (after "Get the latest drivers"). I avoided doing that for probably 15 years because I simply didn't know how a "restoration" installation worked and nobody told me. I always thought that "Re-install Windows" would wipe out all my accumulated software, or at least change settings like fonts, colors, and directories. Then finally, I bit the bullet, and everything went back to working just like it did before flakiness started. I still try to find other solutions first, but at least now I'm not afraid of losing everything when I do a re-install. But, hey, when it comes to computers, I always have something to be afraid of. Maybe the installation CD won't play any more. It's always something. -- For a good time, call http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com |
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On 27/08/2016 12:31, Mike Rivers wrote:
It's always something. My worry with this unit is that the OS restore partition is on the same piece of flash memory as everything else, soldered to the motherboard and there's no obvious way to make a boot disk to run the restore if Windows falls over due to a flash problem. Luckily, all the data is on a removable card, so if the OS falls over, the data should be fairly safe. -- Tciao for Now! John. |
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On 8/27/2016 7:38 AM, John Williamson wrote:
My worry with this unit is that the OS restore partition is on the same piece of flash memory as everything else, soldered to the motherboard and there's no obvious way to make a boot disk to run the restore if Windows falls over due to a flash problem. What's that on? A phone or tablet? I don't think I've bought a new PC since the days when they put the restoration data on a semi-hidden partition on the internal hard drive. If you knew the secret handshake, you could make a restoration CD from that, but then you had to remember where you put it if you need it. The other problem with "re-install Windows" is that you restore to the version that was in effect at the time they built the computer. You might have Windows XP before service packs. There's an unofficial Windows XP Service Pack 4 (Google it) that has all of the updates since Microsoft stopped issuing them. I've used that a couple of times since my installer copy of XP is Service Pack 2. -- For a good time, call http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com |
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On 27/08/2016 14:45, Mike Rivers wrote:
On 8/27/2016 7:38 AM, John Williamson wrote: My worry with this unit is that the OS restore partition is on the same piece of flash memory as everything else, soldered to the motherboard and there's no obvious way to make a boot disk to run the restore if Windows falls over due to a flash problem. What's that on? A phone or tablet? I don't think I've bought a new PC since the days when they put the restoration data on a semi-hidden partition on the internal hard drive. If you knew the secret handshake, you could make a restoration CD from that, but then you had to remember where you put it if you need it. It's a dual format machine. It's a tablet with a snap on keyboard that turns it into a small laptop. 32 gigabytes of storage on the board and just under 200 gigabytes on the card. It does, however, run the same version of Windows 10 as a laptop. It's even got a full size USB 3 port to connect a sound interface to, if that's what's wanted, though as it's only a few days old, I'm still working through its capabilities. If I want a bigger screen, there's an HDMI output that will mirror the screen to just about any digital TV. It is, however, cheap enough to buy a spare as backup, and small enough to carry in a large pocket. I reckon up to 8 tracks in real time, maybe more, as long as there are not too many processor hungry effects in use. The other problem with "re-install Windows" is that you restore to the version that was in effect at the time they built the computer. You might have Windows XP before service packs. There's an unofficial Windows XP Service Pack 4 (Google it) that has all of the updates since Microsoft stopped issuing them. I've used that a couple of times since my installer copy of XP is Service Pack 2. There are third party tools available which can include in a system backup all you need to get back to a version identical to the one you had when it was first working the way you wanted it to. Also, you can mirror the system before and as soon as it's working after installing a new piece of hardware, which gives you a painless way to revert too the old system. I've known people do this, and at the first hint of trouble they re-install from the mirror image, which takes an hour at most, as all that's involved is copying the files from the install medium to the hard drive. -- Tciao for Now! John. |
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On 8/27/2016 10:28 AM, John Williamson wrote:
There are third party tools available which can include in a system backup all you need to get back to a version identical to the one you had when it was first working the way you wanted it to. Also, you can mirror the system before and as soon as it's working after installing a new piece of hardware, which gives you a painless way to revert too the old system. Every couple of months, or when I remember to do it, I make a clone of my working hard drive. Think if something happens that's not easy to fix (like the hard drive failing) I can just drop in the clone and probably not be very far behind. Problem is that I have 7 computers around here that I use with varying degrees of regularity (and importance) so I don't really have all of my bases covered. -- For a good time, call http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com |
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On Sat, 27 Aug 2016 11:00:42 -0400, Mike Rivers
wrote: On 8/27/2016 10:28 AM, John Williamson wrote: There are third party tools available which can include in a system backup all you need to get back to a version identical to the one you had when it was first working the way you wanted it to. Also, you can mirror the system before and as soon as it's working after installing a new piece of hardware, which gives you a painless way to revert too the old system. Every couple of months, or when I remember to do it, I make a clone of my working hard drive. Think if something happens that's not easy to fix (like the hard drive failing) I can just drop in the clone and probably not be very far behind. Problem is that I have 7 computers around here that I use with varying degrees of regularity (and importance) so I don't really have all of my bases covered. I have 4 internal drives. 1 for OS & programs, 1 for work, & 2 for backup. |
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Rick Ruskin wrote:
I have 4 internal drives. 1 for OS & programs, 1 for work, & 2 for backup. Disks are so cheap these days there's no reason not to do this. It's a good idea to make a direct copy of your boot disk and keep it on the shelf so that if anything happens to the boot drive you can just swap a new one in and go without losing time in a session. You don't need to update it often like you need to update your backups of the work disk, and if it's a direct copy you can just pull the old drive out and drop the new drive in with no added work. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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On 8/27/2016 1:53 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Rick Ruskin wrote: I have 4 internal drives. 1 for OS & programs, 1 for work, & 2 for backup. Disks are so cheap these days there's no reason not to do this. It's a good idea to make a direct copy of your boot disk and keep it on the shelf so that if anything happens to the boot drive you can just swap a new one in and go without losing time in a session. You don't need to update it often like you need to update your backups of the work disk, and if it's a direct copy you can just pull the old drive out and drop the new drive in with no added work. --scott If taking this approach, make sure that all of your app's reference files are kept on one of the backup discs. Normally, some apps will install their files in a sub-folder on the boot drive, and it could cause the app to crash if the drive is swapped without a current state of those files. -- Best regards, Neil |
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Neil writes:
On 8/27/2016 1:53 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote: Rick Ruskin wrote: I have 4 internal drives. 1 for OS & programs, 1 for work, & 2 for backup. Disks are so cheap these days there's no reason not to do this. It's a good idea to make a direct copy of your boot disk and keep it on the shelf so that if anything happens to the boot drive you can just swap a new one in and go without losing time in a session. You don't need to update it often like you need to update your backups of the work disk, and if it's a direct copy you can just pull the old drive out and drop the new drive in with no added work. --scott If taking this approach, make sure that all of your app's reference files are kept on one of the backup discs. Normally, some apps will install their files in a sub-folder on the boot drive, and it could cause the app to crash if the drive is swapped without a current state of those files. Not to mention registry entries and settings. Just to clarify what I think Scott was getting at by "direct copy", I take that to mean "bit image". There's a UNIX command that will do this, but I don't think there's any way on a windows box (and likely a Mac) to do a bit-image copy of a drive that's currently "live" supporting an OS. (And I got so sick of proprietary file format "backup utilities" that I stopped using them long, long ago). The most solid way to do this is with a stand-alone disk cloner (which then, typically, can also be used as a docking station). I've got one with two SATA slots (supports both 3.5" or 2.5" drives). Load up a new drive and the drive you want to clone; press a button and cloning begins -- no need to have it connected to your computer. A 2 Tbyte drive will take several hours to clone. Then, for daily utility, I can change the mode of the thing, plug it in to a USB port, and have a way to have two additional drives "live" with the system. I use one made by Orico, there are others. I think it was around US$50.00. Cheap insurance. Frank Mobile Audio -- |
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Frank Stearns wrote:
Just to clarify what I think Scott was getting at by "direct copy", I take that to mean "bit image". There's a UNIX command that will do this, but I don't think there's any way on a windows box (and likely a Mac) to do a bit-image copy of a drive that's currently "live" supporting an OS. (And I got so sick of proprietary file format "backup utilities" that I stopped using them long, long ago). I do in fact mean a bit-for-bit copy of the disk. When someone says "bit image" to me, it implies a file that is in a different filesystem which is an image of the initial filesystem, rather than a disk-to-disk copy. Permit me to recommend "Hiren's Boot CD." You boot off the CD and it brings up a stripped-down linux kernel running in memory and a menu that allows you to run a number of things including a disk imaging utility that is MUCH MUCH faster than using dd to copy the disk by hand. There are also folks who recommend Clonezilla and the commercial "Ghost" programs. The most solid way to do this is with a stand-alone disk cloner (which then, typically, can also be used as a docking station). Interestingly, using the standalone cloner is slower for me than using Hiren's Boot CD. They sure are nice to have, though, since you can make backup copies of audio files offline without blocking up your DAW or hard disk recorder. Everybody should have one, they are very handy gadgets. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Audition 1.5 and Cool Edit 2.1 recording problems
Frank Stearns wrote:
Neil writes: On 8/27/2016 1:53 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote: Rick Ruskin wrote: I have 4 internal drives. 1 for OS & programs, 1 for work, & 2 for backup. Disks are so cheap these days there's no reason not to do this. It's a good idea to make a direct copy of your boot disk and keep it on the shelf so that if anything happens to the boot drive you can just swap a new one in and go without losing time in a session. You don't need to update it often like you need to update your backups of the work disk, and if it's a direct copy you can just pull the old drive out and drop the new drive in with no added work. --scott If taking this approach, make sure that all of your app's reference files are kept on one of the backup discs. Normally, some apps will install their files in a sub-folder on the boot drive, and it could cause the app to crash if the drive is swapped without a current state of those files. Not to mention registry entries and settings. Just to clarify what I think Scott was getting at by "direct copy", I take that to mean "bit image". There's a UNIX command that will do this, but I don't think there's any way on a windows box (and likely a Mac) to do a bit-image copy of a drive that's currently "live" supporting an OS. There is a port of "dd" for Windows out there. You can also look up how to refer to the raw disk image[1] as a file path and just use that ( in say, a 'C' program or copy utility if not the dd tool. ) [1] The Windows equivalent of say, /dev/sda or /dev/sda1 (And I got so sick of proprietary file format "backup utilities" that I stopped using them long, long ago). The most solid way to do this is with a stand-alone disk cloner (which then, typically, can also be used as a docking station). So if I needed to do this a lot, I'd put together a Beaglebone with a USB drive and make some software that copies over the network. 'Course, Windows' bizarre aversion to continuing to support SMB means you probably need to do this with a custom transport. I've got one with two SATA slots (supports both 3.5" or 2.5" drives). Load up a new drive and the drive you want to clone; press a button and cloning begins -- no need to have it connected to your computer. A 2 Tbyte drive will take several hours to clone. Then, for daily utility, I can change the mode of the thing, plug it in to a USB port, and have a way to have two additional drives "live" with the system. I use one made by Orico, there are others. I think it was around US$50.00. Cheap insurance. At some point, you begin to think about a NAS appliance. I do at least. Frank Mobile Audio -- Les Cargill |
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Les Cargill writes:
snips At some point, you begin to think about a NAS appliance. I do at least. I've got a pseudo NAS system. The security machine that monitors and records-on- motion the security cams also has a big data drive hanging off of it and is on the LAN. It's physically located in a protected space. Synctoy is used to periodically update its images of the partitions of the two main working machines (office and DAW) stored on that security machine's data drive. While intended for crash recovery (which has never happened, knock on wood; I pre-emptively replace system drives and some data drives every 12-18 months using the cloner), it did work well when I upgraded a system where using the cloner wasn't practical (spinner to SSD). I did a final update from the retiring system to the partition images on the fake NAS, then brought the new system online. I did the basic config on the new system, partitioned following my standard, then used Synctoy to image the data back from the fake NAS drive to each empty partition. Everything then took right off on the new system. Seamless, painless. (The first and last time I tried a commercial migration program it was a complete and utter disaster. Wound up having to completely reinstall the OS on the target machine and start over by hand. Oy. Microsoft had some sort of migration utility built in, IIRC, but in previewing what it was going to do I cancelled immediately. Another huge mess in the making.) YMMV. Frank Mobile Audio -- |
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