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starting with audio interview recording: what gears to buy?
hello. i'm going to start a podcasting business (or sort of ...) and
i'm now wondering what do i need to start. the first assignment would be a set of interview in the field (open air and standard rooms), and after few days of browsing the web and some googling, i believe i may need a microphone, a portable digital recorder, a mixer (?) if i'm going to use two mics when sitting with the guest around a table. i'll then use the pc to do the edits of the sound recorded. finally the question for you experts: what king of gear to buy, given a budget of $750-1000? many thanks in advance for your advice and apologize for such a newbie question. |
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adriatic wrote: i'm going to start a podcasting business (or sort of ...) and i'm now wondering what do i need to start. Start simple. Since you know very little at this point, don't get bogged down with equipment and technology that you'll have to learn about. the first assignment would be a set of interview in the field (open air and standard rooms), and after few days of browsing the web and some googling, i believe i may need a microphone, a portable digital recorder, a mixer (?) How about a portable cassette recorder, a microphone, your computer, a sound card, editing software of your choice, and a cable to connect the recorder to the computer? This is for a PODCAST, ferchrissake! The much sought-after "sound quality" will be plenty good for the application. No, you won't be able to push a button or plug in a flash memory card and zap your recording into the computer ready for broadcast, you'll have to play it into the computer in real time, but this is a good thing if you take advantage of it. You can sit in front of your speakers with a stopwatch and a notepad, and take notes on what you'll want to edit. If you think it's a waste of time, your listeners probably will, too. question for you experts: what king of gear to buy, given a budget of $750-1000? You have too much money. Try half of that, or less. The only specific recommendation I can make is an EV 635 microphone. You may need to get a special cable to connect it to whatever recorder you buy. This will cost you $100 or so, less if you buy used. The Marantz PMD201 has been a standard field recorder for broadcast for many years. I think you can still buy a new one, but you might want to look for a used one if you're confident that you can get one that isn't beat up or worn out. Get good at interviewing. It's as important a skill as recording. |
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thank you, mike, for your advice, especially the last one about
interviewing. about the PMD201, i found it will cost (new) about $330. at that price point shouldn't i go for a digital one, for example something like the edirol r-1 or the m-audio microtrack? |
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adriatic wrote: about the PMD201, i found it will cost (new) about $330. at that price point shouldn't i go for a digital one, for example something like the edirol r-1 or the m-audio microtrack? Sure, if you want something that's more complicated to operate than just pushing the Record button, and that you can't do any maintenance on, and that has media that costs you a minimum of $50 a pop instead of $2 a pop, more if you want more recording time. Both are reusable, of course, so some people choose to ignore that point. I don't. Learn the craft first, then play with toys. It's really hard to screw up with a cassette recorder, particularly a pretty sturdy one like the Marantz. It has a real VU meter that you can watch, it has a real record level control that you can adjust, and although I haven't looked at the specs, I wouldn't be surprised if you get more time on a set of batteries (or a charge) with the cassette than with the digital recorder. I'm pretty pleased with my Nomad Jukebox 3, but I still have to do several operations in order to record, and turning down the record level if it's too high is ineffective. I don't know how the Edirol R-1 deals with that situation. If you don't feel like blowing $300 on a cassette recorder, look for a less expensive one. |
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"Mike Rivers" wrote in message
oups.com... adriatic wrote: about the PMD201, i found it will cost (new) about $330. at that price point shouldn't i go for a digital one, for example something like the edirol r-1 or the m-audio microtrack? Sure, if you want something that's more complicated to operate than just pushing the Record button, and that you can't do any maintenance on, and that has media that costs you a minimum of $50 a pop instead of $2 a pop, more if you want more recording time. Both are reusable, of course, so some people choose to ignore that point. I don't. Learn the craft first, then play with toys. It's really hard to screw up with a cassette recorder, particularly a pretty sturdy one like the Marantz. It has a real VU meter that you can watch, it has a real record level control that you can adjust, and although I haven't looked at the specs, I wouldn't be surprised if you get more time on a set of batteries (or a charge) with the cassette than with the digital recorder. I'm pretty pleased with my Nomad Jukebox 3, but I still have to do several operations in order to record, and turning down the record level if it's too high is ineffective. I don't know how the Edirol R-1 deals with that situation. If you don't feel like blowing $300 on a cassette recorder, look for a less expensive one. I do a lot of what you're planning to do. Some interviews I record in person. Most I record using a telephone recording interface into the computer. I'm with Mike. A cassette recorder designed for broadcast is rugged and capable of quality plenty good enough for what you want to do. First I used a portable DAT recorder for field interviews. Later I wanted something a little smaller so I went with a Sony Pro-Walkman cassette recorder. I'm currently using mini-disk for portable interview recording, but that's because my Sony Pro-Walkman died a couple of years ago after hard use and abuse. There has been no substantive difference to the listeners of my interviews through each of these technologies. Depends how much time you want to spend playing with the tools (Geek Index). Keep it simple. Steve King |
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try http://www.lucinl.com/
Andre adriatic wrote: hello. i'm going to start a podcasting business (or sort of ...) |
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"adriatic" wrote in message oups.com... hello. i'm going to start a podcasting business (or sort of ...) and i'm now wondering what do i need to start. the first assignment would be a set of interview in the field (open air and standard rooms), and after few days of browsing the web and some googling, i believe i may need a microphone, a portable digital recorder, a mixer (?) if i'm going to use two mics when sitting with the guest around a table. i'll then use the pc to do the edits of the sound recorded. finally the question for you experts: what king of gear to buy, given a budget of $750-1000? many thanks in advance for your advice and apologize for such a newbie question. Don't know what it costs but you might look at this. http://www.hhb.co.uk/hhb/global/brochures/Flashmic.pdf Good for interviews no real-time transfers into the laptop required to start editing. No messy wires and can power headphones as well. Neat.... can even encode directly into MP3. |
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you are very lucky because there is an array of new portable recorders
that record at 24bit, have phantom power for the mics as well as mic preamps, and use different types of ram. this makes it small and responsive rather than having to deal with clunky dat tapes or laptops. think of them kind of like palm pilot audio recorders. for example, go to the m-audio site and look at the one that they have. if it is always you and one person being interviewed, look into simply getting a pair of clip on mics and an extra one for a spare. those are good because they stay out of the way and are meant to pick up the speaker and reject stray sounds from further away. |
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"Carey Carlan" wrote in message
30 "Courtney Goodin" wrote in news:LpqdnamIkZNYZqjeRVn- : Don't know what it costs but you might look at this. http://www.hhb.co.uk/hhb/global/brochures/Flashmic.pdf That goes off the scale on the cool toys index. A handheld microphone with built-in flash recorder. "Did you bring your kit?" "What kit?" The DRM85 price - over $1k list, is working its way off the top of the scale, as well. ;-) |
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Arny Krueger wrote: The DRM85 price - over $1k list, is working its way off the top of the scale, as well. ;-) It really does look pretty cool, but obviously targeted to broadcast. No 44.1 kHz sample rate, omni mic (a smart choice for interviews, usually) and 3 hours should be enough interview time for anyone in that business. If it's hot news, you'll want to get back to your computer to take a dump in less than 4 hours. I didn't see an estimated battery life on the poop sheet. I realize that it's a function of the type of battery, whether the pre-record buffer is turned on (and how much time), and possibly what kind of file is recorded, but it would be comforting to know the battery life under some condition. I assume that the audio and setup memory is non-volatile so you can change batteries before you unload it, but that's another question. I'll put this on my list of things to fondle at the AES show. |
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look into simply getting a pair of clip on mics and an extra one for a spare. those are good because they stay out of the way and are meant to pick up the speaker and reject stray sounds from further away. Attention well-meaning amateurs and semi-pros: This isn't a game show. If you don't know, don't buzz in. Don't guess. There are no prizes for being wrong less often than the other contestants. There's nothing to be gained by giving people erroneous information (even if you were really trying to help) and it just makes life more difficult for those who then have to unteach bad habits when we work with the people who "learned all about it on the internet." Clip-on mics (typically referred to with the misnomer "lav mic") do NOT "reject stray sounds" unless somebody repealed the laws of physics while I was away. There are a lot of good reasons for using a lav mic (they're convenient, unobtrusive on camera, tolerant of moving subjects) but please, don't confuse those with little experience by disseminating misinformation. Lavs are no more or less sensitive to "unintended" sound than any other mic. -- "It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!" - Lorin David Schultz in the control room making even bad news sound good (Remove spamblock to reply) |
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"Lorin David Schultz" wrote ...
Clip-on mics (typically referred to with the misnomer "lav mic") do NOT "reject stray sounds" unless somebody repealed the laws of physics while I was away. There was a recent (2 weeks ago) discussion over on news:rec.arts.movies.produciton.sound named... "efficacy of cardioid lav mics?" Interesting discussion. Stories from the Michael Jackson trial and some of your favorite infomercials, etc. |
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we've had many customers go wiht the edirol r-1 for podcasting although
the M-Audio Microtrack could be a good option as well. http://www.cascademedia.net/products...94&prodid=1587 email me off list and we can talk about options and packages. Cascade Media, LLC For All Your Digital Recording Needs Portland, Oregon USA (888)336-4643 (503)353-6860 (503)353 6864 -fax www.cascademedia.net |
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fronk1 wrote:
we've had many customers go wiht the edirol r-1 for podcasting although the M-Audio Microtrack could be a good option as well. Frank, Are you keeping up with the bug reports for the Microtrack? Because unless a lot of folks are lying, it ain't ready for primetime. -- ha |
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Hi Hank....
Actually, we have been submitting bug reports to M/Audio based upon our client reports as well as those on taperssection.com Here is what we received back today: BUGS: -no 24bit S/PDIF - M/L/H switch is reversed - annoying glitch/pop in headphones when saving recordings, and sometimes also when beginning recordings ANSWER: All three of these items - along with a bunch of other things they didn't catch - are fixed in v1.5, which will probably be out tomorrow. The L/M/H switch reversal was just dumb. Apparently, the silkscreening was reversed from the T1 prototype to the T2 and mass production. The engineers, of course, had T1 units. That has been fixed... and the engineers are now working from mass production units. BUG: - some sort of problem with the "first file" ANSWER: This was just recently identified, and will be fixed in the next release. BUG: - no D/A during digital in (for monitoring) - no level monitoring on pause/stop ANSWER: Both of these are really one thing - we don't have input monitor mode at the moment. That is slated for a later release. BUG: - unit freezing up at random ANSWER: It sounds like they were using SPDIF, which is where we discovered several problems. BUG: - battery life seems to be falling well short of advertised life ANSWER: The battery life depends greatly on how the unit is used. Higher resolution requires more power for processing. Different mics drain the phantom power in varied amounts. Also, some people have thought the unit was fully powered when it wasn't. I'm not just trying to confuse the matter, I'm just saying there are many variables. BUG: - 30v max on Phantom on stead of advertised 48v ANSWER: I believe our marketing mentions "Phantom Power", but never states 48v. We took a prototype down to an equipment rental store, and they let us go through their mic closet. The MicroTrack provided enough power for everything we tried, from the U87 to Sennheiser shotgun mics and some esoterics. So, is this a complaint that a mic didn't work, or is it a complaint that the Volt-Ohm meter needle didn't go where they wanted? BUG: - 2GB file limit ANSWER: This is not an issue that is likely to change. We are planning to put some safeguards in place to prevent this from causing problems. (For instance, auto-stopping at 2GB and saving the file and offering the time remaining countdown from the lesser of the space available or 2GB.) My take- All of this seems acceptable and its nice to see that they are stepping up quickly. That said, I am mainly concerned with the phantom power issue and answer. The current draw is the issue that needs to be addressed as well, but I can't see this unit powering many mics with 30volt phantom. I would like to hear some people who have tested this give some feedback. 2GB limit is not a dead issue either, we have expressed a need for an auto-split feature which could happen as well. I will continue to keep you all updated and pass along feedback. Frank |
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hank alrich wrote: Are you keeping up with the bug reports for the Microtrack? Because unless a lot of folks are lying, it ain't ready for primetime. What are you seeing other than Len's reports? More silly bugs? |
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Frank wrote:
My take- All of this seems acceptable and its nice to see that they are stepping up quickly. Thanks for the info, Frank. The phantom power issue is not acceptable, at least not to me. Phantom power supply design should be determined by following accepted standards, instead of going to the local music shop and messing with microphones. That a mic will power up under less than optimum phantom powering says little about its sensitivity, headroom and noisefloor. I take it that the people who designed this thing have little understanding of how mics actually work and what factors influence their performance. -- ha |
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http://www.PocketREC.com - all you need is there!
adriatic wrote: hello. i'm going to start a podcasting business (or sort of ...) and i'm now wondering what do i need to start. the first assignment would be a set of interview in the field (open air and standard rooms), and after few days of browsing the web and some googling, i believe i may need a microphone, a portable digital recorder, a mixer (?) if i'm going to use two mics when sitting with the guest around a table. i'll then use the pc to do the edits of the sound recorded. finally the question for you experts: what king of gear to buy, given a budget of $750-1000? many thanks in advance for your advice and apologize for such a newbie question. |
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I like some of the recommendations that this guy offers:
http://www.podcastrigs.com/ dave "podcaster" wrote in message oups.com... http://www.PocketREC.com - all you need is there! adriatic wrote: hello. i'm going to start a podcasting business (or sort of ...) and i'm now wondering what do i need to start. the first assignment would be a set of interview in the field (open air and standard rooms), and after few days of browsing the web and some googling, i believe i may need a microphone, a portable digital recorder, a mixer (?) if i'm going to use two mics when sitting with the guest around a table. i'll then use the pc to do the edits of the sound recorded. finally the question for you experts: what king of gear to buy, given a budget of $750-1000? many thanks in advance for your advice and apologize for such a newbie question. |
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