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What speakers do you have other than the Quads that I've heard you speak
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, Jenn wrote: What speakers do you have other than the Quads that I've heard you speak so highly of? Infinity Primus 150: out of production. Linn Kabers: not recommended due to age, scarcity, etc. For everyone: what used speakers would you look at for around $1200 used or new? New: Maggie MG12, PSB Imagine B. Stephen |
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MiNe 109 wrote: In article , Jenn wrote: What speakers do you have other than the Quads that I've heard you speak so highly of? Infinity Primus 150: out of production. Linn Kabers: not recommended due to age, scarcity, etc. Thanks. I thought that you had some Spendors or something? For everyone: what used speakers would you look at for around $1200 used or new? New: Maggie MG12, PSB Imagine B. Thanks again! |
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, Jenn wrote: In article , MiNe 109 wrote: In article , Jenn wrote: What speakers do you have other than the Quads that I've heard you speak so highly of? Infinity Primus 150: out of production. Linn Kabers: not recommended due to age, scarcity, etc. Thanks. I thought that you had some Spendors or something? The vinylanachronist enjoys Spendors and Harbeths IIRC Stephen For everyone: what used speakers would you look at for around $1200 used or new? New: Maggie MG12, PSB Imagine B. Thanks again! |
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, ScottW2 wrote: On Jun 2, 7:40*pm, Jenn wrote: What speakers do you have other than the Quads that I've heard you speak so highly of? *For everyone: *what used speakers would you look at for around $1200 used or new? http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls....&/QUAD-ESL-63- How big is your room and what type of listening? It's what should be a dining room, something like 12x14, without a wall behind the listener (opens into the living room. Ceiling slops up toward the listener, starts at 8' at the speakers, raises to about 10' at the listener. Almost entirely classical music of all sorts. I want it to sound great at the listening position. When it is just on as background music for the whole house, the sound isn't critical. I put my Quads out in my pool room and they're kind of weak compared to my former set up. If you can't sit in their ideal sweet spot, they just don't sparkle. For casual listening I'd opt for something with more dispersion. That's what I've heard. In that price range for new I'd consider some bookshelfs with a plan to add a sub. Paradigm S1s or Spendor S3/5 properly mated with a sub will compete with any speaker system IMO. Getting better is a matter of preference. Good luck. Thanks for the ideas. |
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On Jun 2, 8:46�pm, MiNe 109 wrote:
In article , �Jenn wrote: In article , �MiNe 109 � wrote: In article , �Jenn wrote: What speakers do you have other than the Quads that I've heard you speak so highly of? Infinity Primus 150: out of production. Linn Kabers: not recommended due to age, scarcity, etc. Thanks. �I thought that you had some Spendors or something? The vinylanachronist enjoys Spendors and Harbeths IIRC I do, but few are available at $1200 (especially Harbeth). You can find a pair of Spendor BC-1s in excellent condition for just a few hundred dollars. The midrange will astonish but the frequency extremes might seem a little too rounded. It's a decidedly old-fashioned BBC sound but I love it. I just saw a pair of used ProAc Response 2s for around a grand. I thought about buying them but the cabinets were a little too beat up. For $1200 you might find a pair in better condition. I really enjoyed the Sonics Argenta. They're about $1600 a pair. They're rather ordinary-looking two-way monitors but they go down to about 38 Hz and sound really wonderful for the money. I don't think I'd buy a pair of Quad ESLs for $1200...chances are they have problems for that kind of money. Buying Quads is like buying a used car...the previous owner needs to have taken very good care of them for the deal to be worth it. And every time you ship them, you take a big risk in damaging them. |
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My preference would be a MODIFIED set of Klipsches- K-horns, La Scala
or BK-with upgraded treble and midrange horns and crossovers. If you really like dipoles, though, you likely won't like horns. Electrostats are way preferable to maggies IMO if you have the right amps. |
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On Jun 2, 11:13�pm, Jenn wrote:
In article , wrote: On Jun 2, 8:46?pm, MiNe 109 � wrote: In article , ?Jenn wrote: In article , ?MiNe 109 ? wrote: In article , ?Jenn wrote: What speakers do you have other than the Quads that I've heard you speak so highly of? Infinity Primus 150: out of production. Linn Kabers: not recommended due to age, scarcity, etc. Thanks. ?I thought that you had some Spendors or something? The vinylanachronist enjoys Spendors and Harbeths IIRC I do, but few are available at $1200 (especially Harbeth). You can find a pair of Spendor BC-1s in excellent condition for just a few hundred dollars. The midrange will astonish but the frequency extremes might seem a little too rounded. It's a decidedly old-fashioned BBC sound but I love it. I just saw a pair of used ProAc Response 2s for around a grand. I thought about buying them but the cabinets were a little too beat up. For $1200 you might find a pair in better condition. I really enjoyed the Sonics Argenta. They're about $1600 a pair. They're rather ordinary-looking two-way monitors but they go down to about 38 Hz and sound really wonderful for the money. I don't think I'd buy a pair of Quad ESLs for $1200...chances are they have problems for that kind of money. Buying Quads is like buying a used car...the previous owner needs to have taken very good care of them for the deal to be worth it. And every time you ship them, you take a big risk in damaging them. Thanks. �I understand about the Quads. �That's why picking them up and avoiding shipping, plus knowing the seller (Gene Rubin Audio, a long standing, long term dealer, from whom I bought my TT) was a real plus. � THey were a trade-in from someone who upgraded to the newer larger Quads. All of this set me upon a critical listening session with my Vandersteens tonight. �Tough to beat! Thanks for the tips! Gene's a good friend. He'll steer you right every time. |
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On Jun 2, 11:54�pm, wrote:
�My preference would be a MODIFIED set of Klipsches- K-horns, La Scala or BK-with upgraded treble and midrange horns and crossovers. If you really like dipoles, though, you likely won't like horns. Anyone interested in Quads would probably run shreiking in the opposite direction is they heard the Klipsches. IMO, Klipsches need a low-powered amp to shave off some of that aggressive, forward sound. �Electrostats are way preferable to maggies IMO if you have the right amps. Maggies can be preferable to ESLs if you have the right amps, too. |
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On Jun 2, 11:13�pm, Jenn wrote: In article , wrote: On Jun 2, 8:46?pm, MiNe 109 � wrote: In article , ?Jenn wrote: In article , ?MiNe 109 ? wrote: In article , ?Jenn wrote: What speakers do you have other than the Quads that I've heard you speak so highly of? Infinity Primus 150: out of production. Linn Kabers: not recommended due to age, scarcity, etc. Thanks. ?I thought that you had some Spendors or something? The vinylanachronist enjoys Spendors and Harbeths IIRC I do, but few are available at $1200 (especially Harbeth). You can find a pair of Spendor BC-1s in excellent condition for just a few hundred dollars. The midrange will astonish but the frequency extremes might seem a little too rounded. It's a decidedly old-fashioned BBC sound but I love it. I just saw a pair of used ProAc Response 2s for around a grand. I thought about buying them but the cabinets were a little too beat up. For $1200 you might find a pair in better condition. I really enjoyed the Sonics Argenta. They're about $1600 a pair. They're rather ordinary-looking two-way monitors but they go down to about 38 Hz and sound really wonderful for the money. I don't think I'd buy a pair of Quad ESLs for $1200...chances are they have problems for that kind of money. Buying Quads is like buying a used car...the previous owner needs to have taken very good care of them for the deal to be worth it. And every time you ship them, you take a big risk in damaging them. Thanks. �I understand about the Quads. �That's why picking them up and avoiding shipping, plus knowing the seller (Gene Rubin Audio, a long standing, long term dealer, from whom I bought my TT) was a real plus. � THey were a trade-in from someone who upgraded to the newer larger Quads. All of this set me upon a critical listening session with my Vandersteens tonight. �Tough to beat! Thanks for the tips! Gene's a good friend. He'll steer you right every time. Yep. Plays fiddle too. |
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Jenn said: Gene's a good friend. He'll steer you right every time. Yep. Plays fiddle too. That's appalling to certain music-hating audiophiles. According to Arnii Krooborg, "musos" are "unreliable" when it comes to listening. -- "Music is irrelavant to audio." -- A. Krooger, RAO, 2005 |
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MiNe 109 said: Maggies can be preferable to ESLs if you have the right amps, too. Some people like them both. Wait a second here. I'm white and I was more impressed with some huge ESLs (not Quad, maybe ML) than I've ever been with planars. However, I'm also ethnically Jewish, so I'm supposed to be too cheap to consider anything other than dynamics. We need racial clarity to figure this out. |
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On Jun 3, 12:29�pm, MiNe 109 wrote:
In article , wrote: On Jun 2, 11:54?pm, wrote: ?My preference would be a MODIFIED set of Klipsches- K-horns, La Scala or BK-with upgraded treble and midrange horns and crossovers. If you really like dipoles, though, you likely won't like horns. Anyone interested in Quads would probably run shreiking in the opposite direction is they heard the Klipsches. IMO, Klipsches need a low-powered amp to shave off some of that aggressive, forward sound. Anyone without room for Quads won't have room for La Scalas. Although with Klipsches, you can push them against a wall. Quads need to be well out into the room. ?Electrostats are way preferable to maggies IMO if you have the right amps. Maggies can be preferable to ESLs if you have the right amps, too. Some people like them both. I certainly do. We had some Maggie 1.6s a few months ago and it's amazing what they accomplish for $1800. And I've grown rather fond of Martin Logan. |
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"Jenn" wrote in message ... What speakers do you have other than the Quads that I've heard you speak so highly of? For everyone: what used speakers would you look at for around $1200 used or new? **See if you can locate a pair of NEAR 10M-II. I expect you should find them for less than US$100.00/pr. Spend the rest of your budget (and preferably more) on the best, high current, low NFB SS amplification you can. I've found that the better the amplifier, the better these speakers perform. Differences are not subtle. They are a most under-rated speaker. Be warned: The NEAR 10M-II demands an amplifier of prodigious damping factor (tube amps may not apply), particularly when clipped. -- Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au |
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On Jun 3, 3:18�pm, "Trevor Wilson"
wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message .... What speakers do you have other than the Quads that I've heard you speak so highly of? �For everyone: �what used speakers would you look at for around $1200 used or new? **See if you can locate a pair of NEAR 10M-II. I expect you should find them for less than US$100.00/pr. Spend the rest of your budget (and preferably more) on the best, high current, low NFB SS amplification you can. I've found that the better the amplifier, the better these speakers perform. Differences are not subtle. They are a most under-rated speaker. Be warned: The NEAR 10M-II demands an amplifier of prodigious damping factor (tube amps may not apply), particularly when clipped. I'll second this recommendation. NEAR speakers are exceptional, and underappreciated in the US. |
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On Jun 3, 11:58�am, Jenn wrote:
wrote: On Jun 2, 11:13 pm, Jenn wrote: In article , wrote: On Jun 2, 8:46?pm, MiNe 109 wrote: In article , ?Jenn wrote: In article , ?MiNe 109 ? wrote: In article , ?Jenn wrote: What speakers do you have other than the Quads that I've heard you speak so highly of? Infinity Primus 150: out of production. Linn Kabers: not recommended due to age, scarcity, etc. Thanks. ?I thought that you had some Spendors or something? The vinylanachronist enjoys Spendors and Harbeths IIRC I do, but few are available at $1200 (especially Harbeth). You can find a pair of Spendor BC-1s in excellent condition for just a few hundred dollars. The midrange will astonish but the frequency extremes might seem a little too rounded. It's a decidedly old-fashioned BBC sound but I love it. I just saw a pair of used ProAc Response 2s for around a grand. I thought about buying them but the cabinets were a little too beat up. For $1200 you might find a pair in better condition. I really enjoyed the Sonics Argenta. They're about $1600 a pair. They're rather ordinary-looking two-way monitors but they go down to about 38 Hz and sound really wonderful for the money. I don't think I'd buy a pair of Quad ESLs for $1200...chances are they have problems for that kind of money. Buying Quads is like buying a used car...the previous owner needs to have taken very good care of them for the deal to be worth it. And every time you ship them, you take a big risk in damaging them. Thanks. I understand about the Quads. That's why picking them up and avoiding shipping, plus knowing the seller (Gene Rubin Audio, a long standing, long term dealer, from whom I bought my TT) was a real plus. THey were a trade-in from someone who upgraded to the newer larger Quads. All of this set me upon a critical listening session with my Vandersteens tonight. Tough to beat! Thanks for the tips! Gene's a good friend. He'll steer you right every time. Yep. Plays fiddle too.- His son is a bit of a prodigy on mandolin as well. When i lived in LA, I kept trying to see Gene and his son play in their bluegrass ensemble. They used to play at a club in Ventura once a month, but my schedule at the time always prevented me from going. |
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On Jun 3, 5:01�pm, MiNe 109 wrote:
In article , wrote: On Jun 3, 3:18?pm, "Trevor Wilson" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message ... What speakers do you have other than the Quads that I've heard you speak so highly of? ?For everyone: ?what used speakers would you look at for around $1200 used or new? **See if you can locate a pair of NEAR 10M-II. I expect you should find them for less than US$100.00/pr. Spend the rest of your budget (and preferably more) on the best, high current, low NFB SS amplification you can. I've found that the better the amplifier, the better these speakers perform. Differences are not subtle. They are a most under-rated speaker. Be warned: The NEAR 10M-II demands an amplifier of prodigious damping factor (tube amps may not apply), particularly when clipped. I'll second this recommendation. NEAR speakers are exceptional, and underappreciated in the US. Fortunately, the Rock Landscape Speaker is still in production. Those speakers rock. |
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"Trevor Wilson" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message ... What speakers do you have other than the Quads that I've heard you speak so highly of? For everyone: what used speakers would you look at for around $1200 used or new? **See if you can locate a pair of NEAR 10M-II. I expect you should find them for less than US$100.00/pr. Spend the rest of your budget (and preferably more) on the best, high current, low NFB SS amplification you can. I've found that the better the amplifier, the better these speakers perform. Differences are not subtle. They are a most under-rated speaker. Be warned: The NEAR 10M-II demands an amplifier of prodigious damping factor (tube amps may not apply), particularly when clipped. Thanks! |
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On Jun 3, 3:10�pm, MiNe 109 wrote:
In article , wrote: On Jun 3, 12:29?pm, MiNe 109 � wrote: In article , wrote: On Jun 2, 11:54?pm, wrote: ?My preference would be a MODIFIED set of Klipsches- K-horns, La Scala or BK-with upgraded treble and midrange horns and crossovers. If you really like dipoles, though, you likely won't like horns. Anyone interested in Quads would probably run shreiking in the opposite direction is they heard the Klipsches. IMO, Klipsches need a low-powered amp to shave off some of that aggressive, forward sound.. Anyone without room for Quads won't have room for La Scalas. Although with Klipsches, you can push them against a wall. Especially those corner-horns. Quads need to be well out into the room. Mine do okay close to the sidewalls, which is good because otherwise I couldn't walk between them. ?Electrostats are way preferable to maggies IMO if you have the right amps. Maggies can be preferable to ESLs if you have the right amps, too. Some people like them both. I certainly do. We had some Maggie 1.6s a few months ago and it's amazing what they accomplish for $1800. And I've grown rather fond of Martin Logan. I really like what I've heard from the Summit. I guess CLX design elements are trickling down to new products. I reviewed the ML Purity, which is an active model that retails for only $3K. The speakers use Class D switching amps, which means that the midrange and highs are slightly on the dry side, but the soundstage is gigantic and the bass is deep. It's a huge bargain. I've heard the CLX many times and it is a world-class system (especially with the Descent subwoofers), but it's surprising how close the new Summit Xs come at a much lower price. |
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"Jenn" wrote in message ... In article , "Trevor Wilson" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message ... What speakers do you have other than the Quads that I've heard you speak so highly of? For everyone: what used speakers would you look at for around $1200 used or new? **See if you can locate a pair of NEAR 10M-II. I expect you should find them for less than US$100.00/pr. Spend the rest of your budget (and preferably more) on the best, high current, low NFB SS amplification you can. I've found that the better the amplifier, the better these speakers perform. Differences are not subtle. They are a most under-rated speaker. Be warned: The NEAR 10M-II demands an amplifier of prodigious damping factor (tube amps may not apply), particularly when clipped. Thanks! **You're welcome. Another of my favourite, used speakers, is the Infinity Rennaisance 90. Very impressive product. It too, requires very good amplification, but is a much larger speaker. Bang for your Buck though, the NEAR 10M-II is so far ahead of anything else, it simply doesn't matter. -- Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au |
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Anyone interested in Quads would probably run shreiking in the opposite direction is they heard the Klipsches. IMO, Klipsches need a low-powered amp to shave off some of that aggressive, forward sound. Anyone without room for Quads won't have room for La Scalas. I am grudgingly forced to agree.... |
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On Jun 3, 2:34 pm, George M. Middius wrote:
MiNe 109 said: Maggies can be preferable to ESLs if you have the right amps, too. Some people like them both. Wait a second here. I'm white and I was more impressed with some huge ESLs (not Quad, maybe ML) than I've ever been with planars. However, I'm also ethnically Jewish, so I'm supposed to be too cheap to consider anything other than dynamics. We need racial clarity to figure this out. Avery Fisher and Saul Marantz were both Jews and both used only top quality parts and good construction practices. And Julius Futterman was a fanatic as well, though his amps were pretty cantankerous designwise. So the fault of Jews is not cheapness. |
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On Jun 3, 12:55 pm, wrote:
On Jun 2, 11:54 pm, wrote: My preference would be a MODIFIED set of Klipsches- K-horns, La Scala or BK-with upgraded treble and midrange horns and crossovers. If you really like dipoles, though, you likely won't like horns. Anyone interested in Quads would probably run shreiking in the opposite direction is they heard the Klipsches. IMO, Klipsches need a low-powered amp to shave off some of that aggressive, forward sound. No, they need replacement of the horrid T-35 EV tweeter and rework of the midrange horn and/or crossover. A low power amp, IF it is flat in terms of response and has a reasonable damping factor, won't make any difference, but the average SET with no feedbsck (or in the case of the WE 91, feedback, but not around the OPT where it is needed) will roll off the high end. Quads are also amp fussy and in the case of the old ones positively will not tolerate overdriving them, so the old Quad II is often the preferred amp for them. A lot of people also like the Quad II for klipsches, oddly enough. I greatly enjoy the later sold state Quad amps myself, but onbly when modded to modern standards. |
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