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Anybody having same problems with Behringer mixers?
On 27-09-2017 04:22, Trevor wrote:
On 27/09/2017 3:09 AM, wrote: On Sunday, July 28, 2013 at 11:20:48 AM UTC-7, wrote: Anybody having same problems with Behringer mixers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ddwGDdhTdY please post. Yes I have one RX1202Fx with the same problem with this video .. and I have a freind with other same problem For those of us who don't want to watch a video, what problem are you referring to? Bad caps in power supply seems to be the most common problem. Is that it? Inbuilt verb unit had failed in one I bought cheaply for my then dayjob, verb not required for conference audio and it fitted neatly into available space in the rack closet and does what it needs doing. Trevor. Kind regards Peter Larsen |
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On 28/09/2017 2:45 AM, John Williamson wrote:
On 27/09/2017 12:41, wrote: Not really a laughing matter, but it sounds like that Behringer is FARTING! It's called "motorboating" and is usually a sign of bad capacitors or solder joints in the preamp or a feedback loop. Probably an issue relating to manufacture with lead-free solder. May be a batch issue, or something that needs/needed addressing a factory processes level. I note that the people who have no trouble of going to the effort of making Youtube videos to whinge often don't have the energy to simply return the item for a warranty repair or refund. geoff |
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On 28/09/2017 8:55 AM, Geoff wrote:
On 28/09/2017 2:45 AM, John Williamson wrote: On 27/09/2017 12:41, wrote: Not really a laughing matter, but it sounds like that Behringer is FARTING! It's called "motorboating" and is usually a sign of bad capacitors or solder joints in the preamp or a feedback loop. Probably an issue relating to manufacture with lead-free solder. May be a batch issue, or something that needs/needed addressing a factory processes level. Yep, by far the 2 most common faults I find with most modern equipment are crappy joints from lead free solder, and crappy Chinese electrolytic capacitors. I note that the people who have no trouble of going to the effort of making Youtube videos to whinge often don't have the energy to simply return the itemÂ* for a warranty repair or refund. Or more likely the warranty has expired. Trevor. |
#244
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Anybody having same problems with Behringer mixers?
They are all the same. Very noisy mixers. I was trying to use one for a ham radio input, but it had more noise than a Lexicon Alpha usb mixer. Not recomended for pro audio recording. Fine for d j or live mixes where the crowd volume is high.
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#245
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Anybody having same problems with Behringer mixers?
On Tue, 5 Dec 2017 11:32:49 -0800 (PST), wrote:
They are all the same. Very noisy mixers. I was trying to use one for a ham radio input, but it had more noise than a Lexicon Alpha usb mixer. Not recomended for pro audio recording. Fine for d j or live mixes where the crowd volume is high. I've had two, and both have been extremely quiet. As good as anything on the market. d --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
#246
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Anybody having same problems with Behringer mixers?
On 6/12/2017 9:24 AM, Don Pearce wrote:
On Tue, 5 Dec 2017 11:32:49 -0800 (PST), wrote: They are all the same. Very noisy mixers. I was trying to use one for a ham radio input, but it had more noise than a Lexicon Alpha usb mixer. Not recomended for pro audio recording. Fine for d j or live mixes where the crowd volume is high. I've had two, and both have been extremely quiet. As good as anything on the market. d --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus Likewise. And reasonably solidly-built for good measure, given the market-segment they occupy. Sure, there are better mixers out there in most respects, at a price. I can't imagine than anything could be too noisy wrt ham radio ! And equally I would expect a good quiet mixer for DJ or live purposes. geoff |
#247
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Anybody having same problems with Behringer mixers?
Geoff wrote:
On 6/12/2017 9:24 AM, Don Pearce wrote: On Tue, 5 Dec 2017 11:32:49 -0800 (PST), wrote: They are all the same. Very noisy mixers. I was trying to use one for a ham radio input, but it had more noise than a Lexicon Alpha usb mixer. Not recomended for pro audio recording. Fine for d j or live mixes where the crowd volume is high. I've had two, and both have been extremely quiet. As good as anything on the market. Likewise. And reasonably solidly-built for good measure, given the market-segment they occupy. Sure, there are better mixers out there in most respects, at a price. I have not used any of the Behringer consoles but I can say that many manufacturers have had good and bad products for different markets at different price points. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Anybody having same problems with Behringer mixers?
On 6/12/2017 12:11 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Geoff wrote: On 6/12/2017 9:24 AM, Don Pearce wrote: On Tue, 5 Dec 2017 11:32:49 -0800 (PST), wrote: They are all the same. Very noisy mixers. I was trying to use one for a ham radio input, but it had more noise than a Lexicon Alpha usb mixer. Not recomended for pro audio recording. Fine for d j or live mixes where the crowd volume is high. I've had two, and both have been extremely quiet. As good as anything on the market. I have used many. None of them was "very noisy". Likewise. And reasonably solidly-built for good measure, Well I wouldn't go that far. Something has to give to keep the cost down, and with Behringer it's almost always the build quality. given the market-segment they occupy. Well yes, there aren't many better options at the same price, if any. Sure, there are better mixers out there in most respects, at a price. As you should expect. There are however even worse mixers at the same price or more. I have not used any of the Behringer consoles but I can say that many manufacturers have had good and bad products for different markets at different price points. Yes, but circuits in most of the Behringer consoles are similar or identical, as is the performance in most cases, with a few exceptions. None are terrible IME, BUT the number of users who have NO idea about gain staging IS a problem. :-( I'll bet the OP falls into that category. Trevor. |
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Anybody having same problems with Behringer mixers?
Peter Larsen Man from Mars wrote:
----------------------------------- Fine for d j or live mixes where the crowd volume is high. No no no no no and utter NO, in that very context signal to noise ratio is extremely important, ** Calm down Pete, you are raving like some usenet / social media nutter. you do not get away with noisy electronics in live audio, ** Of course you do. Crowd noise in venue where alcohol is served can exceed 90dBA. But maybe not on planet Mars where you live. ..... Phil |
#252
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Anybody having same problems with Behringer mixers?
In article , Trevor wrote:
None are terrible IME, BUT the number of users who have NO idea about gain staging IS a problem. :-( I'll bet the OP falls into that category. Well, that's the nice thing about better consoles, you don't have to be so careful about gain staging. On an old Neve, you just pot everything more or less up in the right ballpark and it sounds fine. It's not like working on a Mackie where you have to juggle the trims and the mains because the trims change the tonality and you have to keep a constant eye on the buss levels (and mute unused channels). On a good console you can spend your time worrying about how the music sounds and less time babying the gain structure on each strip. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
#253
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On 07-12-2017 01:50, Phil Allison wrote:
Peter Larsen Man from Mars wrote: Fine for d j or live mixes where the crowd volume is high. No no no no no and utter NO, in that very context signal to noise ratio is extremely important, ** Calm down Pete, you are raving like some usenet / social media nutter. Hey, I resent that, I didn't ALLCAP, right? ... O;-) you do not get away with noisy electronics in live audio, ** Of course you do. Crowd noise in venue where alcohol is served can exceed 90dBA. Not all live audio takes place in bars with drunk audiences. And if it does, then listener to loudspeaker distance is tinnitussaly short causing electronics noise to be very audible even for those of modest sobriety. But perhaps not after the guitar solo ... But maybe not on planet Mars where you live. Nice to hear from you anyway, have a nice day Phil! ..... Phil Kind regards Peter Larsen |
#254
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Peter Larsen wrote:
------------------------- Peter Larsen Man from Mars wrote: -------------------------------- Fine for d j or live mixes where the crowd volume is high. No no no no no and utter NO, in that very context signal to noise ratio is extremely important, ** Calm down Pete, you are raving like some usenet / social media nutter. Hey, I resent that, I didn't ALLCAP, right? ... O;-) ** Thank god for small mercies ........ you do not get away with noisy electronics in live audio, ** Of course you do. Crowd noise in venue where alcohol is served can exceed 90dBA. Not all live audio takes place in bars with drunk audiences. ** FFS imbecile READ the ACTUAL comment you are replying to !!!! See the words ".... crowd volume is high" ????? ( snipe pile of dumb ****e) But maybe not on planet Mars where you live. Nice to hear from you anyway, ** Your giant dish antenna works well .... ..... Phil |
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Anybody having same problems with Behringer mixers?
On 7/12/2017 12:16 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
In article , Trevor wrote: None are terrible IME, BUT the number of users who have NO idea about gain staging IS a problem. :-( I'll bet the OP falls into that category. Well, that's the nice thing about better consoles, you don't have to be so careful about gain staging. On an old Neve, you just pot everything more or less up in the right ballpark and it sounds fine. It's not like working on a Mackie where you have to juggle the trims and the mains because the trims change the tonality and you have to keep a constant eye on the buss levels (and mute unused channels). On a good console you can spend your time worrying about how the music sounds and less time babying the gain structure on each strip. Thanks for the laugh Scott, comparing a Behringer to a Neve! I would be very happy if 'babying the gain" was all I needed to do for the same level of performance! :-) But you are right about the old Mackies, a lot more critical than Behringer IME, and dearer to boot. Trevor. |
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Anybody having same problems with Behringer mixers?
On 7/12/2017 12:38 AM, jtees4 wrote:
On Tue, 5 Dec 2017 11:32:49 -0800 (PST), wrote: They are all the same. Very noisy mixers. I was trying to use one for a ham radio input, but it had more noise than a Lexicon Alpha usb mixer. Not recomended for pro audio recording. Fine for d j or live mixes where the crowd volume is high. I had one a few years ago, I returned it simply because of the noise. So YES I had the same problem. Was very dissappointed. Possibly faulty, they suffer from that more than noise as such IME. Their power supplies are pretty terrible, and can cause noise problems when they don't stop altogether however. As somebody else mentioned, the effects are another possible problem area. (as are the operators in many cases) You can certainly get better mixers if you are willing to pay more money though. Trevor. |
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Anybody having same problems with Behringer mixers?
On Sunday, July 28, 2013 at 2:20:48 PM UTC-4, wrote:
Anybody having same problems with Behringer mixers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ddwGDdhTdY please post. XR18 Air - TWO dead channels! |
#259
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Anybody having same problems with Behringer mixers?
On 09/09/2018 18:30, Mike Rivers wrote:
On 9/9/2018 11:57 AM, wrote: XR18 Air - TWO dead channels! 3. Because of build, quality, and lack of real engineering problems in the late 1990s, around the time that Internet activity picked up, their poor reputation lives on until eternity, or when the Internet gets turned off, whichever happens first. Witness the way this poster is replying to a five year old post... -- Tciao for Now! John. |
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Anybody having same problems with Behringer mixers?
On 9/9/2018 1:50 PM, John Williamson wrote:
Witness the way this poster is replying to a five year old post... I did, but people have been posting about their "problems" with Behringer gear since the 1990s, and will continue to do so. It doesn't matter that the mixer in the video is a completely different animal than the one in this week's post. No matter - Behringer has always sold their gear as "professional" and some professionals even use a piece here and there. And the more they sell, the more failures there will be for people to post about, usually with the tone of "I knew I shouldn't have bought this, so you'd better not buy one." I'm sure that somewhere in the world there's someone else who has had two channels fail on an X-18 mixer. If they're smart, they'll get it fixed and move on. Behringer has pretty good warranty coverage as long as you can get the box to them. -- For a good time, call http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com |
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Anybody having same problems with Behringer mixers?
wrote in message ... On Sunday, July 28, 2013 at 2:20:48 PM UTC-4, wrote: Anybody having same problems with Behringer mixers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ddwGDdhTdY please post. XR18 Air - TWO dead channels! ********************** If they are 2 adjacent channels, it could be they share a dual op-amp or a A/D converter which has broken. It could even be the operator who did something stupid like plug am amp output into an input, and then comes on here complaining that something broke. Or switched on a software Insert and didn't assign anything to it, but is not capable of working that out. Whatever, you get a lot of product for very little money with these kind of things, often including a 3 year warranty. But people still complain because they break occasionally, like a Neve or SSL does too. There is no pleasing some folk. Particularly the clueless. Gareth. |
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Anybody having same problems with Behringer mixers?
On 10/09/2018 4:26 am, Gareth Magennis wrote:
If they are 2 adjacent channels, it could be they share a dual op-amp or a A/D converter which has broken. It could even be the operator who did something stupid like plug am amp output into an input, and then comes on here complaining that something broke. Or switched on a software Insert and didn't assign anything to it, but is not capable of working that out. Whatever,Â* you get a lot of product for very little money with these kind of things, often including a 3 year warranty. But people still complain because they break occasionally, like a Neve or SSL does too. There is no pleasing some folk. Particularly the clueless. Agreed. I've seen plenty of Behringer failures over the years. Some due to mis-treatment by operators, but a lot due to cost cutting on Behringers part. However considering what you get for the money you spend, I still think Behringer has created a low cost semi-pro market segment they lead by a mile. But if you can afford Midas, they own that now too. :-) |
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Anybody having same problems with Behringer mixers?
John Williamson wrote: "Witness the way this poster is replying to a five year old post..."
Objection your honor! Deflection, vague, of little substance. Witness the way this poster switches topic of discussion to age of original post when he disagrees on certain points. |
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Notorious retarded dumb-**** Theckhhhmaaah flatulated in message
... John Williamson wrote: "Witness the way this poster is replying to a five year old post..." Objection your honor! Deflection, vague, of little substance. Witness the way this poster switches topic of discussion to age of original post when he disagrees on certain points. See how a retarded dumb-**** trolls. Did you get banned from another moderated forum, li'l buddy? Did they make you put on your hockey helmet and board the short bus for a quick trip out of there? SBDF. ALKNF. FCKWAFA! "I'm an audio guy!" -- Well-known audio moron and short-bus dumb-**** Theckkkkhhhhmaaaah Go Sickie. |
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Anybody having same problems with Behringer mixers?
On 9/9/2018 10:53 PM, Trevor wrote:
I still think Behringer has created a low cost semi-pro market segment they lead by a mile. But if you can afford Midas, they own that now too. I asked a tech person from Behringer about the differences between the Behringer X32 console and the Midas version, and what he described were differences in some component choices, primarily the faders and encoders - parts that are subject to mechanical wear in normal operation. The Behringer version was introduced as a studio console, with the recognition that there would be plenty of them used for low budget live sound. The Midas version was introduced as a live sound console, understanding that some would use it as a lower budget studio console. Knowing that, on the average, there's less knob turning per work hour in the studio than in live work, and overall less wear-and-tear on external connectors, they beefed up those parts in the Midas. But the circuit boards and (mostly) the software is the same in both because those have more predictable reliability. Behringer understands their market. The problem is that some of their market doesn't understand Behringer, not realizing that there's a tradeoff between price and quality, and some may be affected by that more than others. -- For a good time, call http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com |
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Anybody having same problems with Behringer mixers?
On 10/09/2018 11:18 pm, Mike Rivers wrote:
Behringer understands their market. The problem is that some of their market doesn't understand Behringer, not realizing that there's a tradeoff between price and quality, and some may be affected by that more than others. Yep, that about sums it up. You can't please everyone, but their business model seems to be working for them. |
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Anybody having same problems with Behringer mixers?
On Sunday, July 28, 2013 at 7:20:48 PM UTC+1, wrote:
Anybody having same problems with Behringer mixers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ddwGDdhTdY please post. Hey guys, just a slightly unrelated question. I have a BEHRINGER EURODESK SL3242FX-PRO, and when i plugin power, via IEC, after about 15-20 mins of power, the console begins to repeatedly turn off, and back on again. I can't tell wether this is the input which is broken, or something in the circuitry. Its definitely not the cable. Cheers Eric |
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Anybody having same problems with Behringer mixers?
On Sun, 23 Sep 2018 02:56:12 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Sunday, July 28, 2013 at 7:20:48 PM UTC+1, wrote: Anybody having same problems with Behringer mixers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ddwGDdhTdY please post. Hey guys, just a slightly unrelated question. I have a BEHRINGER EURODESK SL3242FX-PRO, and when i plugin power, via IEC, after about 15-20 mins of power, the console begins to repeatedly turn off, and back on again. I can't tell wether this is the input which is broken, or something in the circuitry. Its definitely not the cable. Cheers Eric Behringer mixes use a switched-mode power supply containing electrolytic capacitors that eventually fail from time and temperature. The power supply is easily replaced if you don't feel up to diagnosing the bad electrolytic. d --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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Anybody having same problems with Behringer mixers?
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Hey guys, just a slightly unrelated question. I have a BEHRINGER EURODESK S= L3242FX-PRO, and when i plugin power, via IEC, after about 15-20 mins of po= wer, the console begins to repeatedly turn off, and back on again. I can't = tell wether this is the input which is broken, or something in the circuitr= y.=20 Its definitely not the cable. This is likely a bad electrolytic which is leaking current and causing the power supply to shut down. Actually, it's more likely to be a bunch of them. The original caps are kind of cheap and the power supply is kind of marginal so my inclination is to just shotgun out all the decoupling caps on stuff like this. If you just replace the most leaky caps it'll be fine but then six months later you'll have to pull it apart again. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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On 25/09/2018 2:57 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
wrote: Hey guys, just a slightly unrelated question. I have a BEHRINGER EURODESK S= L3242FX-PRO, and when i plugin power, via IEC, after about 15-20 mins of po= wer, the console begins to repeatedly turn off, and back on again. I can't = tell wether this is the input which is broken, or something in the circuitr= y.=20 Its definitely not the cable. This is likely a bad electrolytic which is leaking current and causing the power supply to shut down. Actually, it's more likely to be a bunch of them. The original caps are kind of cheap and the power supply is kind of marginal so my inclination is to just shotgun out all the decoupling caps on stuff like this. If you just replace the most leaky caps it'll be fine but then six months later you'll have to pull it apart again. --scott SMPSs seem to be a weak point on much equipment - low, medium, and even some high-end gear. Lucky your problem is intermittent, which means that if caused by leaky electros, then other components (ie semiconductors) haven't been taken out in sympathy, as they often are with a 'full' SPMS failure. Do replace the electros with 105° temperature-rated and low ESR ones, if they will physically fit. geoff |
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