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transients
Hallo!
I wonder how exactly must transients be reproduced by a (digital) system. At the one hand, time and phase differences are critical for location. At the other hand short clippings on attacks (-totally damaged curve!) are unhearable. |
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ThomasT wrote:
I wonder how exactly must transients be reproduced by a (digital) system. As exactly as they would be by an analogue system with the same frequency and phase response characteristics. At the one hand, time and phase differences are critical for location. At the other hand short clippings on attacks (-totally damaged curve!) are unhearable. Clipping is an amplitude issue, not a time issue. Are you asking: 1. How well do digital systems reproduce transients? or 2. How well does a system need to reproduce transients for the effect of the system to not be noticeable? or 3. How well does a system need to reproduce transients for the effect of the system to not be offensive? Nobody knows whether timing issues are a real problem or not. We do know that timing accuracy on transients is more accurate with 44.1 systems than with most analogue systems because of the wider system bandwidth. And the timing accuracy on most microphones isn't very good at all. And the timing accuracy on speakers stinks. For the most part, the microphones and speakers are the major problem as far as transient reproduction goes. Or any other reproduction for that matter. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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ThomasT wrote:
I wonder how exactly must transients be reproduced by a (digital) system. At the one hand, time and phase differences are critical for location. At the other hand short clippings on attacks (-totally damaged curve!) are unhearable. Time and phase differences between stereo channels are indeed crucial for localization. Such details are preserved better by any reasonable digital recording system than they have ever been by even the best analog recording systems. Some people have a certain impression about digital audio recording-- they imagine that it's like a movie, which takes a "snapshot" of the signal at every sampling interval but ignores everything in the time between those particular moments. That is not a correct impression; the reality, which is different, can fairly easily be observed. However, a system which is based on regular sampling will certainly have a finite bandwidth as a function of the sampling frequency. And that's perfectly OK, as long as that bandwidth is no less than the bandwidth of the listeners' ears! Of course there are other aspects of quality which are important in a recording system--but that is true for analog as well as for digital. --What you say about clipping is true enough, but it does not seem to be relevant here; it is usually possible to avoid clipping, no? |
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"David Satz" wrote in message om... ThomasT wrote: I wonder how exactly must transients be reproduced by a (digital) system. At the one hand, time and phase differences are critical for location. At the other hand short clippings on attacks (-totally damaged curve!) are unhearable. --What you say about clipping is true enough, but it does not seem to be relevant here; it is usually possible to avoid clipping, no? It really sounds as if the only problem may be turning down the record level. -- David Morgan (MAMS) http://www.m-a-m-s DOT com Morgan Audio Media Service Dallas, Texas (214) 662-9901 _______________________________________ http://www.artisan-recordingstudio.com |
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"David Morgan (MAMS)" wrote: "David Satz" wrote in message om... ThomasT wrote: I wonder how exactly must transients be reproduced by a (digital) system. At the one hand, time and phase differences are critical for location. At the other hand short clippings on attacks (-totally damaged curve!) are unhearable. --What you say about clipping is true enough, but it does not seem to be relevant here; it is usually possible to avoid clipping, no? It really sounds as if the only problem may be turning down the record level. Chuckle. :-) Graham |
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Nudge wrote: ThomasT wrote: Hallo! I wonder how exactly must transients be reproduced by a (digital) system. At the one hand, time and phase differences are critical for location. At the other hand short clippings on attacks (-totally damaged curve!) are unhearable. I was always thinking that transients are evil and best thrown out to get a good mixdown level? ... Squash the buggers to hell with a compressor ! Like much current music production. :-( Graham |
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ThomasT wrote:
Hallo! I wonder how exactly must transients be reproduced by a (digital) system. At the one hand, time and phase differences are critical for location. At the other hand short clippings on attacks (-totally damaged curve!) are unhearable. I was always thinking that transients are evil and best thrown out to get a good mixdown level? ... -- Nudge // PCS Records Studio Leipzig http://studio.lieber-media.de |
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"ThomasT" wrote in message
om I wonder how exactly must transients be reproduced by a (digital) system. They should be reproduced exactly enough to be audibly indistinguishable from transients that are reproduced with far higher accuracy. At the one hand, time and phase differences are critical for location. True, but the ear does not directly hear time and phase differences at high frequencies. It does hear some of their consequences, such as frequency response variations. However, reproducing those frequency response variations with a high degree of audio perfection is not all that difficult with modern digital equipment. At the other hand short clippings on attacks (-totally damaged curve!) are unhearable. That would be due to temporal masking, and similar effects. Loud sounds inhibit audibility of sounds that follow them. Perhaps surprisingly, loud sounds also inhibit audibility of sounds that precede them. |
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Although I respect the opinion of people who advocate digital as a superior medium, my experience and that of other people who have worked on both and listen to recordings from all eras is that high-speed analog is superior (if the recorder's electronics don't smear the transients etc.) in fact, I have discovered while hunting down old classical records from the 30s to the late 50's that the 78 record with all it's noise and distortion has a realism to it that surprises listeners used to cd's. recording to cd makes the 78 lose it's 'feel' and so you hear the distortion more than the music. Geeze... I'm not even going to bother... Mark |
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