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#481
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The Line Between Reality and Delusion?
Jenn wrote:
In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: "John Atkinson" wrote in message oups.com Powell wrote: Unfortunately, this does not explain your continued personal harassment toward Arny. "Continued personal harassment"? It saddens me to learn that that is how someone views my public responses to Arny Krueger's postings. Oh well. :-( Recent gratuitous harrasment by John Atkinson ....snip Is this an example of a "pity party"? Mr. Krueger's on-line persona was captured in a 1999 posting made by Paul Bamborough. At the risk of further offending Mr. Powell, I offer the Bamborough analysis he Begin quoted text: ------------------------------------------------------------------- Message From: Paul Bamborough ) Subject: Atkinson enlightens his sheep Newsgroups: rec.audio.opinion Date: 1999/10/08 Arny Krueger wrote wrote And one more point: why did you make what must be considered an insulting change to the thread title in your response to my posting? Don't you regard having done so as somewhat childish? Let's put it this way: When one has taken a certain number of inbound shells of a certain caliber, one hardly worries about sending a few back, or at who on the other side of the "battle line". Dear Mr. Krueger, This post is intended to be constructive. You may have trouble accepting this, but I would request you to consider it on exactly that basis. I'm beginning to wonder if the the most important underlying reason for your style of debate, and the reactions that it provokes, is that you have an extreme insensitivity to how your words might seem to other people, coupled with an equally extreme sensitivity to the slightest possibility of insult. It's quite common, you know: one well known phrase describing it is the "Sensitive Tank". The Sensitive Tank rolls over the landscape, its treads grinding and crushing, its cannon and machine guns firing wildly in all directions. But let it perceive the presence, or even the possibility of a critical glance being aimed in return, and it draws its skirts around its ankles and complains bitterly about being attacked. It's not an exact analogy, because a tank typically has effective weapons and good defences. But it will do. In this case, you are claiming that because you have taken so many "shells", you do not worry about "sending a few back". Let's look at the context: over the past year you have made literally hundreds of posts attacking Mr. Atkinson. You freely apply words such as fraud and liar. You make statements that can only be read as accusations that Mr. Atkinson's magazine sells its editorial to its advertisers. You put words in his mouth that you present no good evidence for. You revise what has happened repeatedly. This is all on the record. In return, Mr. Atkinson has displayed remarkable patience. Sorry, but he has. I have read most of the relevant postings. He has hardly ever stooped to anything that could be reasonably read as insult; on the very few occasions when he has become harsh, it is manifestly in response to extreme provocation. This is also all on the record. Please note that I have been led to my statements precisely by that record, not by any prejudices against you or for him. My underlying opinions on audio are probably rather close to yours. It was specifically what I came to see as your appalling way of arguing, that led me to start posting in this group, because I regard a bad advocate for one's position as far more damaging than any opponent of it. ------------------------------------------------------------------- End Quoted Message John Atkinson Editor, Stereophile |
#482
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The Line Between Reality and Delusion?
"John Atkinson" wrote
in message ups.com Jenn wrote: In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: "John Atkinson" wrote in message oups.com Powell wrote: Unfortunately, this does not explain your continued personal harassment toward Arny. "Continued personal harassment"? It saddens me to learn that that is how someone views my public responses to Arny Krueger's postings. Oh well. :-( Recent gratuitous harrasment by John Atkinson ....snip Atkinson can't bear to see the truth repeated. This post is intended to be constructive. You may have trouble accepting this, but I would request you to consider it on exactly that basis. Blind self-righteousness noted. |
#483
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The Line Between Reality and Delusion?
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message news "John Atkinson" wrote in message ups.com Jenn wrote: In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: "John Atkinson" wrote in message oups.com Powell wrote: Unfortunately, this does not explain your continued personal harassment toward Arny. "Continued personal harassment"? It saddens me to learn that that is how someone views my public responses to Arny Krueger's postings. Oh well. :-( Recent gratuitous harrasment by John Atkinson ....snip Atkinson can't bear to see the truth repeated. This post is intended to be constructive. You may have trouble accepting this, but I would request you to consider it on exactly that basis. Blind self-righteousness noted. Arny, you are proving yourself either duplicitous or a careless editor. The quote above regarding "constructive" that you attribute to John was the opening paragraph of the quotation in his post, done by an earlier poster. Since the header of the older post was ahead of the quote above, and since you have snipped the remainder of that post, I believe that you may have altered the text and attributed it to John deliberately. If so, for shame! |
#484
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The Line Between Reality and Delusion?
Arny Krueger wrote: "John Atkinson" wrote in message ups.com This post is intended to be constructive. You may have trouble accepting this, but I would request you to consider it on exactly that basis. Blind self-righteousness noted. I did not write the text above attributed to me by Arny Krueger. It was taken from a 1999 post by Paul Bamborough. John Atkinson Editor, Stereophile |
#485
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The Line Between Reality and Delusion?
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message news This post is intended to be constructive. You may have trouble accepting this, but I would request you to consider it on exactly that basis. Blind self-righteousness noted. Blind post reading noted. Atkinson was not the one who said that. -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access |
#486
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The Line Between Reality and Delusion?
John Atkinson said: This post is intended to be constructive. You may have trouble accepting this, but I would request you to consider it on exactly that basis. Blind self-righteousness noted. I did not write the text above attributed to me by Arny Krueger. It was taken from a 1999 post by Paul Bamborough. Thank's Mr. Aktinisn for, admitting "Pual Bambrobrough was you're scokpuppet. Something about a wild bunch of falsified lie's. LOl! Its like a sheep, wouldnt deliver a calf for a famrer like you Mr. Atkisnon. ;-) |
#487
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The Line Between Reality and Delusion?
"John Atkinson" wrote in message oups.com... Arny Krueger wrote: "John Atkinson" wrote in message ups.com This post is intended to be constructive. You may have trouble accepting this, but I would request you to consider it on exactly that basis. Blind self-righteousness noted. I did not write the text above attributed to me by Arny Krueger. It was taken from a 1999 post by Paul Bamborough. Too bad... a constructive post would be good. I for one... am a bit tired of repetitive psycho analysis or Arny... I've moved on to psychoanalysis of those who seem forever entrapped in a need to psychoanalyze Arny. How could seemingly intelligent people get so sucked into to this never-ending endeavor? Even George...once tireless now appears to have tired of analyzing and just accepts Arny for what he is. The analogy would be deLudos speakers tests... its no longer interesting to show that speakers sound different... preference and why is more interesting. Well its no longer interesting to dissect Arny... ScottW |
#488
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The Line Between Reality and Delusion?
Steven Sullivan said:
You haven't seen much high-end audio journalism, have you? Not recently. The last time I saw something remotely resembling high-end journalism was some 1988 issue of The Absolute Sound, which I found a very entertaining read at the time. Have things changed much since then? -- - Never argue with idiots, they drag you down their level and beat you with experience. - |
#489
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The Line Between Reality and Delusion?
Sander deWaal said to Sillybot: You haven't seen much high-end audio journalism, have you? Not recently. The last time I saw something remotely resembling high-end journalism was some 1988 issue of The Absolute Sound, which I found a very entertaining read at the time. Have things changed much since then? Silly is shocked -- SHOCKED! -- to learn that audio companies actually pay for advertising in commercial audio magazines. |
#490
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The Line Between Reality and Delusion?
"John Atkinson" wrote
in message oups.com Arny Krueger wrote: "John Atkinson" wrote in message ups.com This post is intended to be constructive. You may have trouble accepting this, but I would request you to consider it on exactly that basis. Blind self-righteousness noted. I did not write the text above attributed to me by Arny Krueger. It was taken from a 1999 post by Paul Bamborough. True, my regrets. Howeever, that oesn't change the fact that the first post was in fact written by you, John. Do I need to look up more posts where you attacked me in a response to someone else to make my point? Or is proving that you lied once, sufficient? |
#491
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The Line Between Reality and Delusion?
George M. Middius wrote: John Atkinson said: This post is intended to be constructive. You may have trouble accepting this, but I would request you to consider it on exactly that basis. Blind self-righteousness noted. I did not write the text above attributed to me by Arny Krueger. It was taken from a 1999 post by Paul Bamborough. Thank's Mr. Aktinisn for, admitting "Pual Bambrobrough was you're scokpuppet. Something about a wild bunch of falsified lie's. LOl! Its like a sheep, wouldnt deliver a calf for a famrer like you Mr. Atkisnon. ;-) The delusion is you imagining that this trivial crap is of any interest or relevance to Aus.Hi-Fi newsgroup. Please stop posting this crap or we'll have more of rec.audio.opinion's lunatics crossposting such drivel. |
#492
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The Line Between Reality and Delusion?
"Ayn Marx" wrote in message oups.com... The delusion is you imagining that this trivial crap is of any interest or relevance to Aus.Hi-Fi newsgroup. Please stop posting this crap or we'll have more of rec.audio.opinion's lunatics crossposting such drivel. It interested you. -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access |
#493
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The Line Between Reality and Delusion?
"John Atkinson" wrote why you spend so much time screening all his posts, during business hours, when it has no relationship to your specific job responsibilities or to Primedia, INC interests? Sorry Mr. Powell, I wasn't aware that I answered to you regarding how I organize my time and when it is or isn't appropriate for me to post to Usenet. Well, of course that can't be true (unaccountable). I wasn't saying I am unaccountable, Mr. Powell. I was saying that I have no responsibility to _you_ personally to account for how I manage my time. Evoking the eleventh Commandment, *Thou shall not question*. No further discussion is possible, right? When you act unprofessionally in your capacity as Editor you are also representing Adam Marder - Stereophile President, Dave Colford - Stereophile Publisher. And to a lesser extent Dean Nelson - President of PRIMEDIA, INC.. None of these people are aware of your antics here. Really? Before he left the company in January, Adam followed my online activities. I don't report to Dave Colford so haven't been keeping him informed. Do you think I should? The person I currently report to is Rob MacDonald, VP of the Primedia group that publishes Stereophile, who in turn reports to Steve Parr, president of the motoring group. Yea, so? You missed the forest for the trees, again. If you wish to complain to someone at Primedia about what you regard as my "unprofessional conduct" or the one occasions I finally lost my temper with Arny Krueger, Mr. Powell, then you are welcome to contact either or both of these gentlemen. Calm yourself, John. You're not giving me or anyone else on this board rights they didn't already have. If your think your professionalism is beyond reproach try adding a tag line to your signature (Editor, Stereophile) which conveys *How is My Driving 1-800-000-000* and I will withhold future criticism, if any. BTW, what is "one occasions"... did you mean to write_many_occasions? |
#494
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"John Atkinson" wrote Sommerwerck summerized it distinctly by saying,"I quickly discovered that you couldn't have a conversation with John about_anything_. He refused to engage in argument, Socratic or otherwise. Yup, I hear that, William. It looks as if you hear what you want to hear, Mr. Powell. :-( Sounds strange to me that you would say such a thing based on what you do for a living. I have read your opinions of my behavior at the debate and on-line, and I note your feeling it inappropriate for someone like myself to declare my professional affiliation when I post to the newsgroups. No, the substance of your synopsis is wrong. I've tried to discuss this situation in terms of business principles and ethics. It would seem that this is not a good perspective for a common understanding between us. Either you'll have to take night classes or give me a different language to frame the conversation. Unfortunately, this does not explain your continued personal harassment toward Arny. "Continued personal harassment"? It saddens me to learn that that is how someone views my public responses to Arny Krueger's postings. Oh well. :-( Not another *:-(*! Why can't you accept Arny's limitations as well as what he brings to the table? Are all of the animosities toward Arny justified just because you're trying to stop a "tend to "leak" into the real world outside Usenet?" I don't think neurotic anxiety fits the criteria for good mental health on your part, do you? |
#495
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Powell wrote: "John Atkinson" wrote why you spend so much time screening all his posts, during business hours, when it has no relationship to your specific job responsibilities or to Primedia, INC interests? Sorry Mr. Powell, I wasn't aware that I answered to you regarding how I organize my time and when it is or isn't appropriate for me to post to Usenet. Well, of course that can't be true (unaccountable). I wasn't saying I am unaccountable, Mr. Powell. I was saying that I have no responsibility to _you_ personally to account for how I manage my time. Evoking the eleventh Commandment, *Thou shall not question*. No further discussion is possible, right? You have every right to discuss whether or not I post during normal business hours, Mr. Powell. But I do not see why I am obliged to respond to your questions on the matter. If you wish to complain to someone at Primedia about what you regard as my "unprofessional conduct" or the one occasions I finally lost my temper with Arny Krueger, Mr. Powell, then you are welcome to contact either or both of these gentlemen. what is "one occasions"... did you mean to write_many_occasions? No. I was referring to the posting you quoted earlier in this thread. John Atkinson Editor, Stereophile |
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