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does anyone recommend any other mp3 players? I don't want to conform to the
Ipod.


You might want to try getting the actual facts, rather than the bull****.

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Howard Shubs wrote:
In article ,
"Wharfrat" wrote:


does anyone recommend any other mp3 players? I don't want to conform to the
Ipod.



You might want to try getting the actual facts, rather than the bull****.


Perhapse you would like to share?

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On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 12:08:19 -0500, Howard Shubs
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In article ,
"Wharfrat" wrote:

does anyone recommend any other mp3 players? I don't want to conform to the
Ipod.


You might want to try getting the actual facts, rather than the bull****.



If the facts are that he prefers not to get an iPod, where is the
bull****, other than clogging your keyboard?


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WindsorFox[SS] wrote:

Howard Shubs wrote:
In article ,
"Wharfrat" wrote:


does anyone recommend any other mp3 players? I don't want to conform to the
Ipod.



You might want to try getting the actual facts, rather than the bull****.


Perhapse you would like to share?

Sure - how about 5 buddies who all bought generation 1 iPods within 4
weeks of each other - right after they came out. All 5 iPods are going
strong.

My wife is using my original iPod and last month she took my car to go
shopping. My pod was in it. The day was unseasonably warm and sunny so I
grabbed my bike and went for a long ride up to the lake and back. That's
about a 4 hour trip there and back. I had lunch on the dock and took
some pictures of the geese. Another hour or so. When I got home I had
one bar showing. So we are talking 5 1/2 to 6 hours of use, one bar
remaining, and a two year old pod.

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No SPAM Sam wrote:
WindsorFox[SS] wrote:



Perhapse you would like to share?


Sure - how about 5 buddies who all bought generation 1 iPods within 4
weeks of each other - right after they came out. All 5 iPods are going
strong.


What does that have to do with the fact that a lot of them have dead
batteries? Just because yours still works does not mean the guy who
says he has one with a dead battery is lying and the fact is though
it can be forcibly opened, it sure does not LOOK like Apple meant for
the battery to be replaced.

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In article h2ZJb.68844$hf1.25659@lakeread06,
"WindsorFox[SS]" wrote:

What does that have to do with the fact that a lot of them have dead
batteries? Just because yours still works does not mean the guy who
says he has one with a dead battery is lying and the fact is though
it can be forcibly opened, it sure does not LOOK like Apple meant for
the battery to be replaced.


Given that Apple has a replacement program adopted before this bs
started, I figure the whole issue goes away. Batteries don't last
forever.

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WindsorFox[SS] wrote:

No SPAM Sam wrote:
WindsorFox[SS] wrote:



Perhapse you would like to share?


Sure - how about 5 buddies who all bought generation 1 iPods within 4
weeks of each other - right after they came out. All 5 iPods are going
strong.


What does that have to do with the fact that a lot of them have dead
batteries?


But are there 'a lot' of dead batteries? We certainly know that two
graffiti artists claim their iPod battery died - and it probably did.
While they had reason to shade the truth about their story (they
wouldn't be getting tons of attention without shading the truth) I'll
accept their battery died. But what is a lot? Given how many iPods Apple
as sold are we hearing the loud voices of a few or murmering of many? I
know lots of people who have iPods - my 5 buddies and I among the
earliest of adopters. We are all getting at least 5 hours on a charge
still and I know no one personally who has a dead battery. I do know two
people who chose to replace their batteries when the charge dropped to
around 5 hours.

Just because yours still works does not mean the guy who
says he has one with a dead battery is lying and the fact is though
it can be forcibly opened,


Forcibly openned? I think not. No, there is no battery compartment like
my cell phone has. But it isn't sealed either. Both the original iPod
and the new 3rd generation can be easily opened. The metal case is
manufactured so that little prongs grab at the plastic. I used a plastic
magnetic key to open the two pods I've changed batteries on. (Being a
techie my friends ask me to fix their stuff)

it sure does not LOOK like Apple meant for
the battery to be replaced.


Naturally that is why Apple has a battery replacement program - because
they don't want the battery replaced.
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Howard Shubs wrote in news:howard-1F3520.13561004012004
@enews.newsguy.com:

In article h2ZJb.68844$hf1.25659@lakeread06,
"WindsorFox[SS]" wrote:

What does that have to do with the fact that a lot of them have dead
batteries? Just because yours still works does not mean the guy who
says he has one with a dead battery is lying and the fact is though
it can be forcibly opened, it sure does not LOOK like Apple meant for
the battery to be replaced.


Given that Apple has a replacement program adopted before this bs
started, I figure the whole issue goes away. Batteries don't last
forever.


$100 to get the battery replaced doesn't impress me very much.
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does anyone recommend any other mp3 players? I don't want to conform to
theIpod....

A much better alternative is the Sony MiniDisc. Much better sound and
especially editing capabilities.
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Howard Shubs wrote:
In article h2ZJb.68844$hf1.25659@lakeread06,
"WindsorFox[SS]" wrote:


What does that have to do with the fact that a lot of them have dead
batteries? Just because yours still works does not mean the guy who
says he has one with a dead battery is lying and the fact is though
it can be forcibly opened, it sure does not LOOK like Apple meant for
the battery to be replaced.



Given that Apple has a replacement program adopted before this bs
started, I figure the whole issue goes away. Batteries don't last
forever.


The replacement program started after the "bs" and it's still over
$100 to send it to be replaced. Most MP3 players have user replacable
battries.

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In fL4Lb.70299$hf1.62153@lakeread06 WindsorFox[SS] wrote:
Howard Shubs wrote:
In article h2ZJb.68844$hf1.25659@lakeread06,
"WindsorFox[SS]" wrote:


What does that have to do with the fact that a lot of them have dead
batteries? Just because yours still works does not mean the guy who
says he has one with a dead battery is lying and the fact is though
it can be forcibly opened, it sure does not LOOK like Apple meant for
the battery to be replaced.



Given that Apple has a replacement program adopted before this bs
started, I figure the whole issue goes away. Batteries don't last
forever.


The replacement program started after the "bs" and it's still over
$100 to send it to be replaced. Most MP3 players have user replacable
battries.


So go buy one of those.
I can;t believe this thread is still going on.
You KNOW the iPod has a battery issue and it costs 100 bucks for Apple
to replace it or 50 bucks to replace it yourself. If you don't like it
buy another brand.......

What is the point of arguing about this???
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Dell has something similar to the Ipod for alot less!!! I havent tried it
out yet but I bet its better than an Ipod too!
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"WindsorFox[SS]" wrote in message
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Howard Shubs wrote:
In article h2ZJb.68844$hf1.25659@lakeread06,
"WindsorFox[SS]" wrote:


What does that have to do with the fact that a lot of them have dead
batteries? Just because yours still works does not mean the guy who
says he has one with a dead battery is lying and the fact is though
it can be forcibly opened, it sure does not LOOK like Apple meant for
the battery to be replaced.



Given that Apple has a replacement program adopted before this bs
started, I figure the whole issue goes away. Batteries don't last
forever.


The replacement program started after the "bs" and it's still over
$100 to send it to be replaced. Most MP3 players have user replacable
battries.

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The replacement program started after the "bs" and it's still
over $100 to send it to be replaced. Most MP3 players have
user-replacable batteries.


It seems that those with hard drives do not (in the sense of simply opening a
door and dropping in a new battery pack).

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Don Bean wrote:
Dell has something similar to the Ipod for alot less!!! I havent tried it
out yet but I bet its better than an Ipod too!


Dell's 15 gig iPod clone is $249 regular price. It is USB 2.0 only, and
the interface sucks harshly. It also works with MusicMatch Basic. It
supports WMA and MP3. Dimensions: 4.1" x 2.7" x 0.86", 7.6 oz.

Apple's 15 gig iPod is $299 and supports Firewire or USB 2.0. It works
with iTunes or MusicMatch. It supports AAC and MP3. Dimensions: 4.2" x
2.4" x 0.62", 5.6oz.

For $50 you get a better (and smaller/lighter) design, better PC
connection interface, better sound and more connection options. You lose
some battery capacity, though. Which is the better deal depends on your
needs.

Personally, I'm quite happy with my iPod, and I'm glad I spent the extra
$50.

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Phauch wrote:

So go buy one of those.
I can;t believe this thread is still going on.
You KNOW the iPod has a battery issue and it costs 100 bucks for Apple
to replace it or 50 bucks to replace it yourself. If you don't like it
buy another brand.......

What is the point of arguing about this???


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Alex Rodriguez wrote:

And you'll pay an extra $50 each time your battery dies.


I expect I'll want a newer model before the battery dies. This is first
generation iPods that are dying now, and I only got mine in November.

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In article %nBLb.36244$X%5.4777@pd7tw2no,
Steven Fisher wrote:

Alex Rodriguez wrote:

And you'll pay an extra $50 each time your battery dies.


I expect I'll want a newer model before the battery dies. This is first
generation iPods that are dying now, and I only got mine in November.


My guess is, that this guy Alex doesn't own a camcorder, or any other
device where you have to replace batteries when they wear out, for
somewhere around $50.
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Steve wrote:

My guess is, that this guy Alex doesn't own a camcorder, or any other
device where you have to replace batteries when they wear out, for
somewhere around $50.


Well, it might just be a joke. But you're right that $50 for a battery
is not a big deal. Most cell phone batteries run under that, but usually
not a lot under it. The cell phones themselves are frequently only a
little more than the batteries if you can get a discount from your
provider for a contract.

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Some extended warranties even cover battery replacement.

When I bought a Palm T3 at a pretty good discount, I decided to use the
"savings" to buy a service contract that covered just about everything,
including normal wear and tear and battery replacement.

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Don Bean wrote:

Dell has something similar to the Ipod for alot less!!! I havent tried it
out yet but I bet its better than an Ipod too!


Tell yah what. Order one. Use it for a while and report back.


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On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 13:50:49 -0500, Steve wrote:

In article %nBLb.36244$X%5.4777@pd7tw2no,
Steven Fisher wrote:

Alex Rodriguez wrote:

And you'll pay an extra $50 each time your battery dies.


I expect I'll want a newer model before the battery dies. This is first
generation iPods that are dying now, and I only got mine in November.


My guess is, that this guy Alex doesn't own a camcorder, or any other
device where you have to replace batteries when they wear out, for
somewhere around $50.



When was the last time you heard of the owner of a camcorder being
told by the manufacturer that the battery in his device was not a
user-servicable item, and he would have to return the unit to a
factory-authorized service center for replacement?

That's the extra $50 he was referring to, I'd assume.


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On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 18:53:47 GMT, Steven Fisher
wrote:

Steve wrote:

My guess is, that this guy Alex doesn't own a camcorder, or any other
device where you have to replace batteries when they wear out, for
somewhere around $50.


Well, it might just be a joke. But you're right that $50 for a battery
is not a big deal. Most cell phone batteries run under that, but usually
not a lot under it. The cell phones themselves are frequently only a
little more than the batteries if you can get a discount from your
provider for a contract.



A friend was told, just this morning, that she could replace the
battery in her Nokia phone for about $55, or she could have a free
phone by extending her service agreement by two years.


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I overheard Bob Ward saying:
When was the last time you heard of the owner of a camcorder being
told by the manufacturer that the battery in his device was not a
user-servicable item, and he would have to return the unit to a
factory-authorized service center for replacement?


If the iPod had a little battery door that snapped open, it would be
fine. But for obvious reasons you can't change the battery yourself. I
prefer it that way...I don't want a battery compartment to mess with.
And mine has been working perfectly--so why change it.


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I overheard Bob Ward saying:
When was the last time you heard of the owner of a camcorder being
told by the manufacturer that the battery in his device was not a
user-servicable item, and he would have to return the unit to a
factory-authorized service center for replacement?


If the iPod had a little battery door that snapped open, it would be
fine. But for obvious reasons you can't change the battery yourself. I
prefer it that way...I don't want a battery compartment to mess with.
And mine has been working perfectly--so why change it.


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I overheard Bob Ward saying:
When was the last time you heard of the owner of a camcorder being
told by the manufacturer that the battery in his device was not a
user-servicable item, and he would have to return the unit to a
factory-authorized service center for replacement?


If the iPod had a little battery door that snapped open, it would be
fine. But for obvious reasons you can't change the battery yourself. I
prefer it that way...I don't want a battery compartment to mess with.
And mine has been working perfectly--so why change it.


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Briantelope wrote in news:20040109230128870-0500
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I overheard Bob Ward saying:
When was the last time you heard of the owner of a camcorder being
told by the manufacturer that the battery in his device was not a
user-servicable item, and he would have to return the unit to a
factory-authorized service center for replacement?


If the iPod had a little battery door that snapped open, it would be
fine. But for obvious reasons you can't change the battery yourself. I
prefer it that way...I don't want a battery compartment to mess with.
And mine has been working perfectly--so why change it.


Brian (it's not like every other one dies...)


But if it's YOUR'S that dies, it doesn't much matter does it?

Wayne

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I overheard Wayne Boatwright saying:
If the iPod had a little battery door that snapped open, it would be
fine. But for obvious reasons you can't change the battery yourself.
I prefer it that way...I don't want a battery compartment to mess
with. And mine has been working perfectly--so why change it.
Brian (it's not like every other one dies...)


But if it's YOUR'S that dies, it doesn't much matter does it?

Wayne


If mine dies, I realize that I got the one out of thousands that had a
messed up battery. Life goes on. Nothing is a sure bet.

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In article ,
Briantelope wrote:

I overheard Bob Ward saying:
When was the last time you heard of the owner of a camcorder being
told by the manufacturer that the battery in his device was not a
user-servicable item, and he would have to return the unit to a
factory-authorized service center for replacement?


If the iPod had a little battery door that snapped open, it would be
fine. But for obvious reasons you can't change the battery yourself. I
prefer it that way...I don't want a battery compartment to mess with.
And mine has been working perfectly--so why change it.


Sure you can. You just need to know how to change the battery.
Do a web search for "iPod battery" and you'll find lots of info.
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I overheard Me saying:
If the iPod had a little battery door that snapped open, it would be
fine. But for obvious reasons you can't change the battery yourself.
I prefer it that way...I don't want a battery compartment to mess
with. And mine has been working perfectly--so why change it.


Sure you can. You just need to know how to change the battery.
Do a web search for "iPod battery" and you'll find lots of info.


Yes, of course. My diction was bad; let me rephrase that. For obvious
reasons Apple doesn't condone changing the battery yourself. Yes, you
can physicall do it. But how many people you think would try it and F up
their iPod? Then what? If Apple condoned doing it yourself they'd have
some problems. Personally, I'd think twice before I started prying open
my iPod. And I'm pretty good with my hands and electronics.


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In LMnLb.70398$hf1.5044@lakeread06 WindsorFox[SS] wrote:
Phauch wrote:

So go buy one of those.
I can;t believe this thread is still going on.
You KNOW the iPod has a battery issue and it costs 100 bucks for
Apple to replace it or 50 bucks to replace it yourself. If you don't
like it buy another brand....... What is the point of arguing about
this???


If you do not likethe discussion why not follow your own advice.


The discussion was fine, but the proverbial dead horse has been so badly
beaten that there is nothing left.......
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I overheard Phauch saying:
The discussion was fine, but the proverbial dead horse has been so
badly beaten that there is nothing left.......


Is there enough left to floss?


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On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 03:40:52 -0500, Alex Rodriguez
wrote:

In article ,
says...


In article %nBLb.36244$X%5.4777@pd7tw2no,
Steven Fisher wrote:

Alex Rodriguez wrote:

And you'll pay an extra $50 each time your battery dies.

I expect I'll want a newer model before the battery dies. This is first
generation iPods that are dying now, and I only got mine in November.


My guess is, that this guy Alex doesn't own a camcorder, or any other
device where you have to replace batteries when they wear out, for
somewhere around $50.


I wouldn't buy any device that requires me to pay someone $50 to change
the batteries. Pretty straight forward. It doesn't take a rocket scientist
to change a battery and I have better things to do with $50.
---------------
Alex


Don't buy an iPod, Alex - obviously you are too ****ing stupid to be
able to use it anyway.. Of course, in that case, you'd never know
whether the battery needs replacing in any event.


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On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 0:40:52 -0800, Alex Rodriguez wrote
(in message ):

I wouldn't buy any device that requires me to pay someone $50 to change
the batteries. Pretty straight forward. It doesn't take a rocket scientist
to change a battery and I have better things to do with $50.


A fcouple weeks ago a riend of mine was looking for a cell phone. I gave him
mine, but told him it needed a new battery. A few days ago when I saw him, he
had a different cell phone. I asked whiy. He told me that the replacement
battery would have run $65, and the new phone (which included a battery) was
$70.

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