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Slightly OT - cable run lengths to monitor/keyboard/mouse
I want to set up an LCD monitor with keyboard & mouse in my booth for when
I'm wearing both hats, but have no idea how long the cable runs can be until you start running into problems. A studio I work at has their internet/email computer in a different room and the screen's annoyingly blurry, they tell me it's because of the video cable run length. I'm looking at a run of about 7 metres (almost 23 ft) once it goes along the walls. |
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I want to set up an LCD monitor with keyboard & mouse in my booth for when
I'm wearing both hats, but have no idea how long the cable runs can be until you start running into problems. BRBR This isn't OT at all. This is exactly what this forum is for. I have 37' of VGA cable (a 7' cable and 3 10' extenders and have no problem with burriness. I also have about 35' of USB cable between my keyboard/mouse/HUI/Miditimepiece and computer. I had problems with the USB run until I put a powered USB hub about halfway down the cable run. Everything exceeeds the recommend spec by a lot, but it works beautifully. You can see a screen shot in a photo on my website- www.eganmedia.com. Click "audio" then "audio post". It's not a high res shot, but you get an idea of what a 17" monitor at 1280 X 1024 looks like with 37' of cheap VGA extension cable. Joe Egan EMP Colchester, VT www.eganmedia.com |
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I want to set up an LCD monitor with keyboard & mouse in my booth for when
I'm wearing both hats, but have no idea how long the cable runs can be until you start running into problems. BRBR This isn't OT at all. This is exactly what this forum is for. I have 37' of VGA cable (a 7' cable and 3 10' extenders and have no problem with burriness. I also have about 35' of USB cable between my keyboard/mouse/HUI/Miditimepiece and computer. I had problems with the USB run until I put a powered USB hub about halfway down the cable run. Everything exceeeds the recommend spec by a lot, but it works beautifully. You can see a screen shot in a photo on my website- www.eganmedia.com. Click "audio" then "audio post". It's not a high res shot, but you get an idea of what a 17" monitor at 1280 X 1024 looks like with 37' of cheap VGA extension cable. Joe Egan EMP Colchester, VT www.eganmedia.com |
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"Karl Engel" karlengel-at-excite-dot-com wrote in message
I want to set up an LCD monitor with keyboard & mouse in my booth for when I'm wearing both hats, but have no idea how long the cable runs can be until you start running into problems. Longest keyboard cable I've used was 50 feet, but no problems at that point. You can also get RF-based wireless keyboards for about $150 that work out to 100 feet or more. Longest PC video monitor cable I've used was about 150'. Theres a slight lost of visual punch and detail at 1024 x 768 x 60 at that point, but its more than acceptable, even for use with a large screen projector for a large audience. A studio I work at has their internet/email computer in a different room and the screen's annoyingly blurry, they tell me it's because of the video cable run length. I'm looking at a run of about 7 metres (almost 23 ft) once it goes along the walls. IME it is often a matter of cable and switch quality. You can get PC video cables and switches that have the right connectors but aren't really up to handling signals hi-rez formats. PC RGB video can have some serious bandwidth over 100 MHz, in contrast with TV video. The crappy cabled ans switches visually can run out of gas at 800x600, even after a few dozen feet. I use the thicker, stiffer kind of cable and proper video switches that are usable with the fast, sharp pulses that you get with hi-rez hi-refresh video. |
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"Karl Engel" karlengel-at-excite-dot-com wrote in message
I want to set up an LCD monitor with keyboard & mouse in my booth for when I'm wearing both hats, but have no idea how long the cable runs can be until you start running into problems. Longest keyboard cable I've used was 50 feet, but no problems at that point. You can also get RF-based wireless keyboards for about $150 that work out to 100 feet or more. Longest PC video monitor cable I've used was about 150'. Theres a slight lost of visual punch and detail at 1024 x 768 x 60 at that point, but its more than acceptable, even for use with a large screen projector for a large audience. A studio I work at has their internet/email computer in a different room and the screen's annoyingly blurry, they tell me it's because of the video cable run length. I'm looking at a run of about 7 metres (almost 23 ft) once it goes along the walls. IME it is often a matter of cable and switch quality. You can get PC video cables and switches that have the right connectors but aren't really up to handling signals hi-rez formats. PC RGB video can have some serious bandwidth over 100 MHz, in contrast with TV video. The crappy cabled ans switches visually can run out of gas at 800x600, even after a few dozen feet. I use the thicker, stiffer kind of cable and proper video switches that are usable with the fast, sharp pulses that you get with hi-rez hi-refresh video. |
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In article "Karl Engel" karlengel-at-excite-dot-com writes: I want to set up an LCD monitor with keyboard & mouse in my booth for when I'm wearing both hats, but have no idea how long the cable runs can be until you start running into problems. Well, it's as long as it is until you can't tolerate the problems. It depends on the resolution you're using, probably to a certain extent the graphics card (driving impedance) and the cable itself. And now we have the digital video interface, if that's what you're using. There are special low capacitance video cables intended for extended distances. You're looking at a length at which you should be looking into those cables. Check with http://www.blackbox.com or someplace like that. -- I'm really Mike Rivers ) However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over, lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo |
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In article "Karl Engel" karlengel-at-excite-dot-com writes: I want to set up an LCD monitor with keyboard & mouse in my booth for when I'm wearing both hats, but have no idea how long the cable runs can be until you start running into problems. Well, it's as long as it is until you can't tolerate the problems. It depends on the resolution you're using, probably to a certain extent the graphics card (driving impedance) and the cable itself. And now we have the digital video interface, if that's what you're using. There are special low capacitance video cables intended for extended distances. You're looking at a length at which you should be looking into those cables. Check with http://www.blackbox.com or someplace like that. -- I'm really Mike Rivers ) However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over, lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo |
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"Karl Engel" karlengel-at-excite-dot-com wrote in message ...
I want to set up an LCD monitor with keyboard & mouse in my booth for when I'm wearing both hats, but have no idea how long the cable runs can be until you start running into problems. A studio I work at has their internet/email computer in a different room and the screen's annoyingly blurry, they tell me it's because of the video cable run length. I'm looking at a run of about 7 metres (almost 23 ft) once it goes along the walls. There is an extender system called either Cytech, or Cybertech. You can't just use some sort of hub, network setup? |
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"Karl Engel" karlengel-at-excite-dot-com wrote in message ...
I want to set up an LCD monitor with keyboard & mouse in my booth for when I'm wearing both hats, but have no idea how long the cable runs can be until you start running into problems. A studio I work at has their internet/email computer in a different room and the screen's annoyingly blurry, they tell me it's because of the video cable run length. I'm looking at a run of about 7 metres (almost 23 ft) once it goes along the walls. There is an extender system called either Cytech, or Cybertech. You can't just use some sort of hub, network setup? |
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Karl Engel wrote:
I want to set up an LCD monitor with keyboard & mouse in my booth for when I'm wearing both hats, but have no idea how long the cable runs can be until you start running into problems. A studio I work at has their internet/email computer in a different room and the screen's annoyingly blurry, they tell me it's because of the video cable run length. I'm looking at a run of about 7 metres (almost 23 ft) once it goes along the walls. If you are using a LCD, you're already going to have better luck getting a good picture using (digital) DVI rather than (analog) VGA. This is because the VGA is spitting out pixels at its own clock, and the LCD has to figure out how to make the (essentially) analog pixels line up with its discrete LCD elements. The result is sometimes ugly. So, if you use DVI, apparently the maximum length is going to depend on the type of cable used, but here is a place that sells (coincidentally) a 23-foot DVI cable: http://www.ramelectronics.net/html/DVI_cables.html . That site seems to claim that it's compatible with the standard despite being longer than the nominal maximum 3m length. You can also buy fiberoptic DVI repeaters for a grand or two, but somehow I doubt you need to put the computer 1000 feet away from the keyboard and mouse. :-) - Logan |
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Karl Engel wrote:
I want to set up an LCD monitor with keyboard & mouse in my booth for when I'm wearing both hats, but have no idea how long the cable runs can be until you start running into problems. A studio I work at has their internet/email computer in a different room and the screen's annoyingly blurry, they tell me it's because of the video cable run length. I'm looking at a run of about 7 metres (almost 23 ft) once it goes along the walls. If you are using a LCD, you're already going to have better luck getting a good picture using (digital) DVI rather than (analog) VGA. This is because the VGA is spitting out pixels at its own clock, and the LCD has to figure out how to make the (essentially) analog pixels line up with its discrete LCD elements. The result is sometimes ugly. So, if you use DVI, apparently the maximum length is going to depend on the type of cable used, but here is a place that sells (coincidentally) a 23-foot DVI cable: http://www.ramelectronics.net/html/DVI_cables.html . That site seems to claim that it's compatible with the standard despite being longer than the nominal maximum 3m length. You can also buy fiberoptic DVI repeaters for a grand or two, but somehow I doubt you need to put the computer 1000 feet away from the keyboard and mouse. :-) - Logan |
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"Karl Engel" karlengel-at-excite-dot-com wrote in message ... I want to set up an LCD monitor with keyboard & mouse in my booth for when I'm wearing both hats, but have no idea how long the cable runs can be until you start running into problems. A studio I work at has their internet/email computer in a different room and the screen's annoyingly blurry, they tell me it's because of the video cable run length. I'm looking at a run of about 7 metres (almost 23 ft) once it goes along the walls. You shouldn't have any issues with the keyboard and mouse. Depending on the monitor, the video card, and where and how you are setting up you might get some ghosting on your display. If the monitor is a purchase you have yet to make, you can get an LCD with a DVID input (as opposed to VGA) and a matching video card and have done with it. jb |
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"Karl Engel" karlengel-at-excite-dot-com wrote in message ... I want to set up an LCD monitor with keyboard & mouse in my booth for when I'm wearing both hats, but have no idea how long the cable runs can be until you start running into problems. A studio I work at has their internet/email computer in a different room and the screen's annoyingly blurry, they tell me it's because of the video cable run length. I'm looking at a run of about 7 metres (almost 23 ft) once it goes along the walls. You shouldn't have any issues with the keyboard and mouse. Depending on the monitor, the video card, and where and how you are setting up you might get some ghosting on your display. If the monitor is a purchase you have yet to make, you can get an LCD with a DVID input (as opposed to VGA) and a matching video card and have done with it. jb |
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"Karl Engel" karlengel-at-excite-dot-com wrote in message
... I want to set up an LCD monitor with keyboard & mouse in my booth for when I'm wearing both hats, but have no idea how long the cable runs can be until you start running into problems. A studio I work at has their internet/email computer in a different room and the screen's annoyingly blurry, they tell me it's because of the video cable run length. I'm looking at a run of about 7 metres (almost 23 ft) once it goes along the walls. I have a 25ft. cable connected the 6ft cable on my LCD (computer in another room) and it's fine. Just get GOOD SHIELDED cable. |
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"Karl Engel" karlengel-at-excite-dot-com wrote in message
... I want to set up an LCD monitor with keyboard & mouse in my booth for when I'm wearing both hats, but have no idea how long the cable runs can be until you start running into problems. A studio I work at has their internet/email computer in a different room and the screen's annoyingly blurry, they tell me it's because of the video cable run length. I'm looking at a run of about 7 metres (almost 23 ft) once it goes along the walls. I have a 25ft. cable connected the 6ft cable on my LCD (computer in another room) and it's fine. Just get GOOD SHIELDED cable. |
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Karl Engel wrote: I want to set up an LCD monitor with keyboard & mouse in my booth for when I'm wearing both hats, but have no idea how long the cable runs can be until you start running into problems. A studio I work at has their internet/email computer in a different room and the screen's annoyingly blurry, they tell me it's because of the video cable run length. I'm looking at a run of about 7 metres (almost 23 ft) once it goes along the walls. VGA cables can be bought in lengths up to 150 feet at places like blackbox and markertek. For the longer runs, you do need to buy the good cables. Cheapies will smear out the video more. As for keyboard and mouse, if you use USB, you can buy USB -cat five-USB widgets that let you run them hundreds of feet away from the computer. There are keyboard and mouse DIN extension cables, but I've not seen them longer than about 20 feet, and are kinda pricey for what you get. AV rental companies use these things all the time for conferences and conventions. ( Video projector up front, tech table in back with the computer, mouse on extension cable on the podium so the talking head can flick forward and backward through their powerpoint presentation. ) --Dale |
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Karl Engel wrote: I want to set up an LCD monitor with keyboard & mouse in my booth for when I'm wearing both hats, but have no idea how long the cable runs can be until you start running into problems. A studio I work at has their internet/email computer in a different room and the screen's annoyingly blurry, they tell me it's because of the video cable run length. I'm looking at a run of about 7 metres (almost 23 ft) once it goes along the walls. VGA cables can be bought in lengths up to 150 feet at places like blackbox and markertek. For the longer runs, you do need to buy the good cables. Cheapies will smear out the video more. As for keyboard and mouse, if you use USB, you can buy USB -cat five-USB widgets that let you run them hundreds of feet away from the computer. There are keyboard and mouse DIN extension cables, but I've not seen them longer than about 20 feet, and are kinda pricey for what you get. AV rental companies use these things all the time for conferences and conventions. ( Video projector up front, tech table in back with the computer, mouse on extension cable on the podium so the talking head can flick forward and backward through their powerpoint presentation. ) --Dale |
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I've got 20' monitor, mouse, keyboard and USB cables. No problems at all.
For the USB, I'm using the *active* 16' extenders coupled to 4' cables. Doug Joyce Animix Productions Durango, CO http://www.graphicresultsofdurango.com/musicstudio.html "Karl Engel" karlengel-at-excite-dot-com wrote in message ... I want to set up an LCD monitor with keyboard & mouse in my booth for when I'm wearing both hats, but have no idea how long the cable runs can be until you start running into problems. A studio I work at has their internet/email computer in a different room and the screen's annoyingly blurry, they tell me it's because of the video cable run length. I'm looking at a run of about 7 metres (almost 23 ft) once it goes along the walls. |
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I've got 20' monitor, mouse, keyboard and USB cables. No problems at all.
For the USB, I'm using the *active* 16' extenders coupled to 4' cables. Doug Joyce Animix Productions Durango, CO http://www.graphicresultsofdurango.com/musicstudio.html "Karl Engel" karlengel-at-excite-dot-com wrote in message ... I want to set up an LCD monitor with keyboard & mouse in my booth for when I'm wearing both hats, but have no idea how long the cable runs can be until you start running into problems. A studio I work at has their internet/email computer in a different room and the screen's annoyingly blurry, they tell me it's because of the video cable run length. I'm looking at a run of about 7 metres (almost 23 ft) once it goes along the walls. |
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On 2004-11-17, Karl Engel wrote:
I want to set up an LCD monitor with keyboard & mouse in my booth for when I'm wearing both hats, but have no idea how long the cable runs can be until you start running into problems. Consider using VNC instead. Put a fanless PC, like a mini-itx system and a wireless network adapter, wherever you want it. Extra points if you can make it *diskless* as well! I routinely remote-control the machine that's in our family room from another workstation using VNC. I've done much crazier things in a professional environment using X (remote administration of racks of headless servers). Long cables are ok, probably not for USB though. The best cables I've had in my hand don't cut it for 1600 or wider horizontal resolution for very far. I wouldn't count on Firewire or USB working too well either. |
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On 2004-11-17, Karl Engel wrote:
I want to set up an LCD monitor with keyboard & mouse in my booth for when I'm wearing both hats, but have no idea how long the cable runs can be until you start running into problems. Consider using VNC instead. Put a fanless PC, like a mini-itx system and a wireless network adapter, wherever you want it. Extra points if you can make it *diskless* as well! I routinely remote-control the machine that's in our family room from another workstation using VNC. I've done much crazier things in a professional environment using X (remote administration of racks of headless servers). Long cables are ok, probably not for USB though. The best cables I've had in my hand don't cut it for 1600 or wider horizontal resolution for very far. I wouldn't count on Firewire or USB working too well either. |
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"james of tucson" wrote in
message atory.com On 2004-11-17, Karl Engel wrote: I want to set up an LCD monitor with keyboard & mouse in my booth for when I'm wearing both hats, but have no idea how long the cable runs can be until you start running into problems. Consider using VNC instead. Put a fanless PC, like a mini-itx system and a wireless network adapter, wherever you want it. Extra points if you can make it *diskless* as well! If the computer you want to control is running XP Pro, Remote Desktop host is part of XP Pro. Remote desktop Client software going all the way back to Win 95 is available from MS for free. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/u...moteintro.mspx |
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"james of tucson" wrote in
message atory.com On 2004-11-17, Karl Engel wrote: I want to set up an LCD monitor with keyboard & mouse in my booth for when I'm wearing both hats, but have no idea how long the cable runs can be until you start running into problems. Consider using VNC instead. Put a fanless PC, like a mini-itx system and a wireless network adapter, wherever you want it. Extra points if you can make it *diskless* as well! If the computer you want to control is running XP Pro, Remote Desktop host is part of XP Pro. Remote desktop Client software going all the way back to Win 95 is available from MS for free. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/u...moteintro.mspx |
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