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SACD - DVD-a other stuff
I'm looking to get a new CD-player and can't decide on whether to get a SACD unit or DVD-a compatible one? My thinking is: 1. SACD will play CD's and that would be great for computer burned CD's, but is the format short lived? 2. DVD-a is highest quality, but who makes DVD'a Cd's, and I won't be able to burn my own CD's. The Marantz SA-11S1 has my attention. |
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"Michael" wrote in message
t I'm looking to get a new CD-player and can't decide on whether to get a SACD unit or DVD-a compatible one? Why not get a player that is compatible with all of the above? Heck, even I have one! My thinking is: 1. SACD will play CD's and that would be great for computer burned CD's, but is the format short lived? IMO SACD is already dead as a mainstream audio media format. 2. DVD-a is highest quality, but who makes DVD'a Cd's, and I won't be able to burn my own CD's. You can make DVD-A's with a PC with the right software and a regular DVD burner. |
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Arny - can you reommend software for burning DVD-a?
I am also trying to find a high-end DVD-a/SACD unit. Arny Krueger wrote: "Michael" wrote in message t I'm looking to get a new CD-player and can't decide on whether to get a SACD unit or DVD-a compatible one? Why not get a player that is compatible with all of the above? Heck, even I have one! My thinking is: 1. SACD will play CD's and that would be great for computer burned CD's, but is the format short lived? IMO SACD is already dead as a mainstream audio media format. 2. DVD-a is highest quality, but who makes DVD'a Cd's, and I won't be able to burn my own CD's. You can make DVD-A's with a PC with the right software and a regular DVD burner. |
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"Michael" wrote in message
Arny - can you reommend software for burning DVD-a? I hear good things about discwelder. See google. I am also trying to find a high-end DVD-a/SACD unit. Got money burning a hole in your pocket, eh? I hear the Red Cross is collecting money for good causes... |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message news "Michael" wrote in message Arny - can you reommend software for burning DVD-a? I hear good things about discwelder. See google. I am also trying to find a high-end DVD-a/SACD unit. Got money burning a hole in your pocket, eh? I hear the Red Cross is collecting money for good causes... |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message news "Michael" wrote in message Arny - can you reommend software for burning DVD-a? I hear good things about discwelder. See google. I am also trying to find a high-end DVD-a/SACD unit. Got money burning a hole in your pocket, eh? I hear the Red Cross is collecting money for good causes... Are they gonna bankroll your next rehab? |
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On Wed, 5 Oct 2005 11:40:53 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote: "Michael" wrote in message om Arny - can you reommend software for burning DVD-a? I hear good things about discwelder. See google. I am also trying to find a high-end DVD-a/SACD unit. Got money burning a hole in your pocket, eh? I hear the Red Cross is collecting money for good causes... Actually that's a good point, especially (as noted in a post below) as you can buy a Pioneer universal player with excellent sound for under $150 US. I'm supposedly an audiophool, but I don't believe in spending money on high end just for the sake of it, and charitable organisations ARE pretty desperate these days. |
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"paul packer" wrote in message ... On Wed, 5 Oct 2005 11:40:53 -0400, "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Michael" wrote in message m Arny - can you reommend software for burning DVD-a? I hear good things about discwelder. See google. I am also trying to find a high-end DVD-a/SACD unit. Got money burning a hole in your pocket, eh? I hear the Red Cross is collecting money for good causes... Actually that's a good point, especially (as noted in a post below) as you can buy a Pioneer universal player with excellent sound for under $150 US. I'm supposedly an audiophool, but I don't believe in spending money on high end just for the sake of it, and charitable organisations ARE pretty desperate these days. Really? I thought the Greater Detroit Mental Health Society is flush with money. I hear they get a 50% cut from the SWMMTS annual dues. |
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Arny - With the Discwelder software, a decent RW DVD burner in a PC, why
would one need a special recorder like the Tascam DV-RA1000? I am looking to download lossless music from Musicgiants.com and then burn DVD-A discs using your Discwelder recommenation and then I can play the new discs using a Marantz DV9500 'universal' player. p.s. I already donated to the relief efforts. Arny Krueger wrote: "Michael" wrote in message Arny - can you reommend software for burning DVD-a? I hear good things about discwelder. See google. I am also trying to find a high-end DVD-a/SACD unit. Got money burning a hole in your pocket, eh? I hear the Red Cross is collecting money for good causes... |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Michael" wrote in message t I'm looking to get a new CD-player and can't decide on whether to get a SACD unit or DVD-a compatible one? Why not get a player that is compatible with all of the above? Heck, even I have one! My thinking is: 1. SACD will play CD's and that would be great for computer burned CD's, but is the format short lived? IMO SACD is already dead as a mainstream audio media format. Unless you are interested in classical music, where it is becoming the dominant medium for new releases. And only if you live in the US. SACD is doing much better in Europe and in Asia. 2. DVD-a is highest quality, but who makes DVD'a Cd's, and I won't be able to burn my own CD's. You can make DVD-A's with a PC with the right software and a regular DVD burner. And about $3 grand of recording gear. Because other than a smattering of pop, there is precious little DVD-A out there. And now with DualDisk, the "DVD-A" that is being released has been dumbed dow to 48/24, not 96/24 or 192/24. |
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"Harry Lavo" wrote in message
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Michael" wrote in message t I'm looking to get a new CD-player and can't decide on whether to get a SACD unit or DVD-a compatible one? Why not get a player that is compatible with all of the above? Heck, even I have one! My thinking is: 1. SACD will play CD's and that would be great for computer burned CD's, but is the format short lived? IMO SACD is already dead as a mainstream audio media format. Unless you are interested in classical music, where it is becoming the dominant medium for new releases. A sad comment on the state of new releases. And only if you live in the US. SACD is doing much better in Europe and in Asia. Higher percentage of audiophools, it seems. Or maybe just classical music buyers. 2. DVD-a is highest quality, but who makes DVD'a Cd's, and I won't be able to burn my own CD's. You can make DVD-A's with a PC with the right software and a regular DVD burner. And about $3 grand of recording gear. The only really nasty part of the mix is the microphones. However, one can beat Harry's inflated estimate by 50% or more if you know how to spell Earthworks. Because other than a smattering of pop, there is precious little DVD-A out there. And now with DualDisk, the "DVD-A" that is being released has been dumbed dow to 48/24, not 96/24 or 192/24. Actually, its been smartened up, because higher sample rates were always a sucker play. Now all they have to admit to reality when it comes to word sizes. |
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Arny Krueger wrote:
"Harry Lavo" wrote in message "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Michael" wrote in message t I'm looking to get a new CD-player and can't decide on whether to get a SACD unit or DVD-a compatible one? Why not get a player that is compatible with all of the above? Heck, even I have one! My thinking is: 1. SACD will play CD's and that would be great for computer burned CD's, but is the format short lived? IMO SACD is already dead as a mainstream audio media format. Unless you are interested in classical music, where it is becoming the dominant medium for new releases. A sad comment on the state of new releases. I question Harry's claim in any case. A visit to the local CD emporium (Tower) does not support the idea that SACD is the dominant medium for new classical releases. Most are still CDs. This includes both 'new' new releases, and reissues. |
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In article ,
Steven Sullivan wrote: Arny Krueger wrote: "Harry Lavo" wrote in message "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Michael" wrote in message t I'm looking to get a new CD-player and can't decide on whether to get a SACD unit or DVD-a compatible one? Why not get a player that is compatible with all of the above? Heck, even I have one! My thinking is: 1. SACD will play CD's and that would be great for computer burned CD's, but is the format short lived? IMO SACD is already dead as a mainstream audio media format. Unless you are interested in classical music, where it is becoming the dominant medium for new releases. A sad comment on the state of new releases. I question Harry's claim in any case. A visit to the local CD emporium (Tower) does not support the idea that SACD is the dominant medium for new classical releases. Most are still CDs. This includes both 'new' new releases, and reissues. Hard to argue with "becoming." Like SNL's Dan Quayle, SACD is "still gaining acceptance." Stephen |
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Sillybot doffs his priestly mantle in favor of workman's clothes. A visit to the local CD emporium (Tower) does not support the idea that SACD is the dominant medium for new classical releases. Where's the diatribe demanding "proof" that SACD is a superior format? Where's the denunciation of "flummery" inherent in "audiophile" software? I declare, Sillybot, this dispassionate approach to a powderkeg issue like SACD casts a pall over your Hivie credentials. |
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Michael wrote: I'm looking to get a new CD-player and can't decide on whether to get a SACD unit or DVD-a compatible one? My thinking is: 1. SACD will play CD's and that would be great for computer burned CD's, but is the format short lived? 2. DVD-a is highest quality, but who makes DVD'a Cd's, and I won't be able to burn my own CD's. The Marantz SA-11S1 has my attention. Don't know anything about the Marantz. I do know that Pioneer offers universal players that will play both DVD-A and SACD discs. Price is maybe around $250(?), but I saw mail-order dealer (sorry, can't remember who) selling them recently for $100. Try searching the web for the best price. Anyway, if I were you I'd only consider a universal player, so you'd always have a way to listen to any DVD-A or SACD discs you buy now or in the future. As for burning CDs, you might want to get a CD burner for your computer. Or if you're considering buying a new computer eventually, almost any computer sold now will include a CD burner, and often a DVD burner too. |
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On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 14:33:13 GMT, Michael
wrote: I'm looking to get a new CD-player and can't decide on whether to get a SACD unit or DVD-a compatible one? My thinking is: SNIP Why not simply buy one that plays both? Kal |
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Kalman Rubinson wrote:
Why not simply buy one that plays both? Any truth to the rumor Sony has abandoned the SACD format? GeoSynch |
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On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 03:45:21 GMT, "GeoSynch"
wrote: Kalman Rubinson wrote: Why not simply buy one that plays both? Any truth to the rumor Sony has abandoned the SACD format? If I had any solid info, I would share it. Kal |
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Kalman Rubinson wrote:
Any truth to the rumor Sony has abandoned the SACD format? If I had any solid info, I would share it. So, you're hearing the same rumors, too? GeoSynch |
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On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 11:11:59 GMT, "GeoSynch"
wrote: Kalman Rubinson wrote: Any truth to the rumor Sony has abandoned the SACD format? If I had any solid info, I would share it. So, you're hearing the same rumors, too? Only from sites like this. Nothing from anyone with authority. Kal |
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"Kalman Rubinson" wrote in message
On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 14:33:13 GMT, Michael wrote: I'm looking to get a new CD-player and can't decide on whether to get a SACD unit or DVD-a compatible one? My thinking is: SNIP Why not simply buy one that plays both? Good question. BTW the death of SACD. Companies like Sony rarely just up and dump formats. No doubt their business plan will be something like coming up with a sequel to SACD based on their Blu-Ray technology, and then phasing that in as a replacement for SACD. That way nobody in top management has to admit that they made a billions-dollar mistake. |
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On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 07:30:29 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote: BTW the death of SACD. Companies like Sony rarely just up and dump formats. No doubt their business plan will be something like coming up with a sequel to SACD based on their Blu-Ray technology, and then phasing that in as a replacement for SACD. That way nobody in top management has to admit that they made a billions-dollar mistake. Of course, one of the problems of believing that everything sounds pretty much the same is it makes improved formats redundant before they're even introduced, since of course there's nothing to improve. But tell me, out of curiousity, have you seriously listened to SACD or DVD-A, and if so what was your impression? This is not a trick question. And BTW, I haven't listened to either. |
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"paul packer" wrote in message
On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 07:30:29 -0400, "Arny Krueger" wrote: BTW the death of SACD. Companies like Sony rarely just up and dump formats. No doubt their business plan will be something like coming up with a sequel to SACD based on their Blu-Ray technology, and then phasing that in as a replacement for SACD. That way nobody in top management has to admit that they made a billions-dollar mistake. Of course, one of the problems of believing that everything sounds pretty much the same is it makes improved formats redundant before they're even introduced, since of course there's nothing to improve. So Paul, who would this be that things that everything pretty much sounds the same and why is that comment relevant here? But tell me, out of curiousity, have you seriously listened to SACD or DVD-A, and if so what was your impression? I own a Pioneer combo player, have owned it for the better part of a year. I have a stack of DVD-As and another stack of SACDs. My impression is that just listening to random discs is not a good way to judge differing formats. |
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The Krooborg dares to be daffy. Of course, one of the problems of believing that everything sounds pretty much the same is it makes improved formats redundant before they're even introduced, since of course there's nothing to improve. So Paul, who would this be that things[sic] that everything pretty much sounds the same and why is that comment relevant here? Or, put another way: "Who is Arnii Krooger?" -- Arnii Krooger, RAO, Sept. 2005 But tell me, out of curiousity, have you seriously listened to SACD or DVD-A, and if so what was your impression? My impression is that just listening to random discs is not a good way to judge differing formats. Of course not. Listening counts for nothing. Robert, if you're reading this, what's the 'borg counterpart to "the wisdom of the Krell"? |
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On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:20:42 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote: So Paul, who would this be that things that everything pretty much sounds the same That would be Arnie Krooger. and why is that comment relevant here? Because I'm replying to a post by Arnie Krooger. But tell me, out of curiousity, have you seriously listened to SACD or DVD-A, and if so what was your impression? I own a Pioneer combo player, have owned it for the better part of a year. I have a stack of DVD-As and another stack of SACDs. My impression is that just listening to random discs is not a good way to judge differing formats. Eh? You'll have to explain that. The whole point of any format is that one listens to random discs--that I believe is the typical consumer experience, and the consumer is the point. If one can't hear an improvement by listening to random discs then it clearly isn't an improvement. |
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SACD - DVD-a other stuff
Arny Krueger wrote:
I own a Pioneer combo player, have owned it for the better part of a year. I have a stack of DVD-As and another stack of SACDs. My impression is that just listening to random discs is not a good way to judge differing formats. I agree. However, I have done some A/B comparing between assorted 5.1 releases and their two-channel versions (either older originals or new releases that were done as both 5.1 and two-channel versions), with the latter listened to both in "pure" form and with Yamaha processor DSP ambiance enhancement and additional channels, and this did allow for some reasonably solid conclusions about what one can expect from both situations. Conclusion number one: a good 5.1 release will usually sound better than the equally good two-channel version, assuming the remastering job was handled with reasonable expertise. This will be true whether the 5.1 is SACD, DVD-A, DTS, or Dolby Digital. Conclusion number two: a good 5.1 release will usually sound no better than, and sometimes a bit worse than, the equally good two-channel version after the latter has been given a really good DSP ambiance simulation job by a home-based processor. Much will depend upon the expertise of the technician who did the 5.1 work. Note that this only includes recordings where the surround channels are dealing with hall ambiance and not discrete instrumentation. With pop releases that put instruments all around the listener all bets are off. Actually, many 5.1 releases are only 4.1 channels (no solid center feed), and so a good DSP device that also can derive a steered center feed from the two-channel version's phantom image will usually soundstage better than the re-engineered 5.1 version - particularly when the listener is not in the sweet spot. For me, this is good news. Purchase a good DSP device and some additional speakers and one's entire recording collection will probably be significantly upgraded - overnight. This is a lot cheaper and faster than opting to purchase an SACD or DVD-A player and whole new 5.1 collection one disc at a time. Howard Ferstler |
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I can't tell the difference between DVD-A and SACD, BUT I can tell a heck of a difference between red book CD and the other two. So I don't really care which one survives so long as it is SACD (because I just bought an SACD deck). I used an LP for comparison. paul packer wrote: On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 07:30:29 -0400, "Arny Krueger" wrote: BTW the death of SACD. Companies like Sony rarely just up and dump formats. No doubt their business plan will be something like coming up with a sequel to SACD based on their Blu-Ray technology, and then phasing that in as a replacement for SACD. That way nobody in top management has to admit that they made a billions-dollar mistake. Of course, one of the problems of believing that everything sounds pretty much the same is it makes improved formats redundant before they're even introduced, since of course there's nothing to improve. But tell me, out of curiousity, have you seriously listened to SACD or DVD-A, and if so what was your impression? This is not a trick question. And BTW, I haven't listened to either. |
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Michael wrote: I can't tell the difference between DVD-A and SACD, BUT I can tell a heck of a difference between red book CD and the other two. So I don't really care which one survives so long as it is SACD (because I just bought an SACD deck). I used an LP for comparison. paul packer wrote: On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 07:30:29 -0400, "Arny Krueger" wrote: BTW the death of SACD. Companies like Sony rarely just up and dump formats. No doubt their business plan will be something like coming up with a sequel to SACD based on their Blu-Ray technology, and then phasing that in as a replacement for SACD. That way nobody in top management has to admit that they made a billions-dollar mistake. Of course, one of the problems of believing that everything sounds pretty much the same is it makes improved formats redundant before they're even introduced, since of course there's nothing to improve. But tell me, out of curiousity, have you seriously listened to SACD or DVD-A, and if so what was your impression? This is not a trick question. And BTW, I haven't listened to either. Of course you can tell the difference. Same as anyone familiar with the sound of unamplified instruments in an acoustically good concert hall. It goes against the credo of those who listen not with their memory of the real thing or never heard the real thing and substitute the content of their undergrad textbooks for their ears and their brain cortex But that's too bad. It takes all kinds... Incidentally the burning software I use is Exact Audio Copy. It keeps correcting the errors it encounters in the original disk, which can be either exasperatingly slow, or desirable if you're not impatient. Details in their website and the "Radified" website which has lots of other useful information Ludovic Mirabel |
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On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 21:14:18 GMT, Michael
wrote: I can't tell the difference between DVD-A and SACD, BUT I can tell a heck of a difference between red book CD and the other two. So I don't really care which one survives so long as it is SACD (because I just bought an SACD deck). Indeed. And why did you not buy a universal player like the Pioneer. We all did. :-) I used an LP for comparison. Eh? |
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Michael wrote:
I'm looking to get a new CD-player and can't decide on whether to get a SACD unit or DVD-a compatible one? My thinking is: 1. SACD will play CD's and that would be great for computer burned CD's, but is the format short lived? 2. DVD-a is highest quality, but who makes DVD'a Cd's, and I won't be able to burn my own CD's. The Marantz SA-11S1 has my attention. The Denon 2910 universal player ($650 MSRP) was favorably reviewed in The Absolute Sound a few issues back. GeoSynch |
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