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Anybody here working in video with their audio computers?
I'm moving into digital video and was wondering whether I should build
another computer, or simply upgrade this one to do both jobs. The video capture card is a Canopus and I'm using an Athlon 1600+. I don't have serious video requirements, just transfers of concerts off VHS which I'll then use with the audio from multitrack to create DVDs. I've been to other newsgroups, but most consider audio to be secondary and typically use needle drop libraries more than trying to combine multitrack digital mixes with video, so anybody even just playing with it right now would be welcome to comment. -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio |
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Anybody here working in video with their audio computers?
Roger W. Norman wrote: I'm moving into digital video and was wondering whether I should build another computer, or simply upgrade this one to do both jobs. The video capture card is a Canopus and I'm using an Athlon 1600+. I don't have serious video requirements, just transfers of concerts off VHS which I'll then use with the audio from multitrack to create DVDs. I've been to other newsgroups, but most consider audio to be secondary and typically use needle drop libraries more than trying to combine multitrack digital mixes with video, so anybody even just playing with it right now would be welcome to comment. Although I believe that audio and video can work fine on the same computer, I would get a second one just for video because of the rendering time. |
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"Andrew M." wrote in message
... Roger W. Norman wrote: I'm moving into digital video and was wondering whether I should build another computer, or simply upgrade this one to do both jobs. The video capture card is a Canopus and I'm using an Athlon 1600+. I don't have serious video requirements, just transfers of concerts off VHS which I'll then use with the audio from multitrack to create DVDs. I've been to other newsgroups, but most consider audio to be secondary and typically use needle drop libraries more than trying to combine multitrack digital mixes with video, so anybody even just playing with it right now would be welcome to comment. Although I believe that audio and video can work fine on the same computer, I would get a second one just for video because of the rendering time. Rendering time may be important or it may not. Your present computer should capture, edit, render, and output the video you described successfully. If you are going to buy the video software and you already have the hardware, it costs nothing to load it onto your present computer and see if you are happy with the results. You can always remove the software and move it to a faster machine if you are not satisfied. Steve King |
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Roger W. Norman wrote:
I'm moving into digital video and was wondering whether I should build another computer, or simply upgrade this one to do both jobs. The video capture card is a Canopus and I'm using an Athlon 1600+. I don't have serious video requirements, just transfers of concerts off VHS which I'll then use with the audio from multitrack to create DVDs. I've been to other newsgroups, but most consider audio to be secondary and typically use needle drop libraries more than trying to combine multitrack digital mixes with video, so anybody even just playing with it right now would be welcome to comment. I don't think that is a fair evaluation! :-) The reason production music is discussed so regularly there is because of the licensing complexities, not necessarily because of the technical issues. I think even video people with a serious interest in audio come here to ask their audio questions. "Andrew M." wrote ... Although I believe that audio and video can work fine on the same computer, I would get a second one just for video because of the rendering time. "Steve King" wrote ... Rendering time may be important or it may not. Your present computer should capture, edit, render, and output the video you described successfully. If you are going to buy the video software and you already have the hardware, it costs nothing to load it onto your present computer and see if you are happy with the results. You can always remove the software and move it to a faster machine if you are not satisfied. Agree. As long as none of the video hardware/software interferes with the audio functionality, go for it. You may run out of disk space before the end of the week, however! :-) I do both audio (Alesis HD24, etc.) and video (multi-camera, live switched location productions, etc.) I have separate computers for doing audio and video post, but that is as much a matter of different requirements and concurrent operation as any issue with compatibility. Here are some pix of my larger video production setup... http://www.rcrowley.com/LocVideo/index.htm |
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Anybody here working in video with their audio computers?
I guess the obvious reply would be that I'd rather not screw with a fully
functional audio computer just to end up removing hardware and software, which is always a burden on a system. Oh well, I've got a couple of boxes around, neither which would be optimal, but for basic video transfers might do the trick. Plus, since I don't have an operational video system yet, even a screw up won't bring down my audio service. I may hate working on computers, but building them is one heck of a lot easier than trying to fix a broken one! Thanks guys. The answer should have obvious anyway. -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio "Steve King" wrote in message ... "Andrew M." wrote in message ... Roger W. Norman wrote: I'm moving into digital video and was wondering whether I should build another computer, or simply upgrade this one to do both jobs. The video capture card is a Canopus and I'm using an Athlon 1600+. I don't have serious video requirements, just transfers of concerts off VHS which I'll then use with the audio from multitrack to create DVDs. I've been to other newsgroups, but most consider audio to be secondary and typically use needle drop libraries more than trying to combine multitrack digital mixes with video, so anybody even just playing with it right now would be welcome to comment. Although I believe that audio and video can work fine on the same computer, I would get a second one just for video because of the rendering time. Rendering time may be important or it may not. Your present computer should capture, edit, render, and output the video you described successfully. If you are going to buy the video software and you already have the hardware, it costs nothing to load it onto your present computer and see if you are happy with the results. You can always remove the software and move it to a faster machine if you are not satisfied. Steve King |
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"Roger W. Norman" wrote in message
... I guess the obvious reply would be that I'd rather not screw with a fully functional audio computer just to end up removing hardware and software, which is always a burden on a system. That can happen; however, your original question was, paraphrased, is this computer fast enough to capture video in the way you described. That's the question I answered. It wasn't so obvious that you didn't want to do what you asked would work. Steve King |
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I do this every day on a Mac system (ya, I know - Apples and Oranges...),
and the MOST important aspect of this is that your audio and video stuff can NOT reside on the same harddrive. I have a dedicated hard drive JUST for video. Oh yeah, and they need to be miminum of 7200 rpm drives. Video also takes up a huge amount of room so you need big drives for that. If all you want to do is lock your video to audio so you can do audio post, I say you can do it on the same machine as long as your audio program supports movie windows (like ProTools, Digital Performer, etc.). For anything fancier video-wise, you'll need a program like Premiere, etc. Hope that helps. -- John Marsden Little-Big Sound audio for video, film & digital media; graphics & software solutions www.lbsound.com "Roger W. Norman" wrote in message ... I'm moving into digital video and was wondering whether I should build another computer, or simply upgrade this one to do both jobs. The video capture card is a Canopus and I'm using an Athlon 1600+. I don't have serious video requirements, just transfers of concerts off VHS which I'll then use with the audio from multitrack to create DVDs. I've been to other newsgroups, but most consider audio to be secondary and typically use needle drop libraries more than trying to combine multitrack digital mixes with video, so anybody even just playing with it right now would be welcome to comment. -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio |
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"Steve King" wrote in message
... That can happen; however, your original question was, paraphrased, is this computer fast enough to capture video in the way you described. That's the question I answered. It wasn't so obvious that you didn't want to do what you asked would work. No, and I wasn't negating your answer, I don't believe. But I guess I forgot to yet once again run through all the components of my system and what I use it for, which is ONLY audio at this point. The one game I have on here is Pinball that comes with NT. I have MS Office, but other than studio support, there's nothing on this computer but audio. I have 24 simultaneous tracks of 24/48 recording with Samplitude and that's this computer's main function. So I am looking to add video, but I certainly wouldn't want to do it at the expense of an operational DAW, so you kinda made me realize that it's just plain smarter to build another computer. But there's a thank you in that reply, too, you know! g -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio Steve King |
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"Richard Crowley" wrote in message
... I don't think that is a fair evaluation! :-) The reason production music is discussed so regularly there is because of the licensing complexities, not necessarily because of the technical issues. I think even video people with a serious interest in audio come here to ask their audio questions. Agree. As long as none of the video hardware/software interferes with the audio functionality, go for it. You may run out of disk space before the end of the week, however! :-) I do both audio (Alesis HD24, etc.) and video (multi-camera, live switched location productions, etc.) I have separate computers for doing audio and video post, but that is as much a matter of different requirements and concurrent operation as any issue with compatibility. Here are some pix of my larger video production setup... http://www.rcrowley.com/LocVideo/index.htm Your setup is not much different than what we run in the main ballroom, Richard, with 4 3ccd video cameras, DVPro recorder (now switching over to a DVD recorder), 6 5" b&w monitors for the switching console (some new Panny unit but when I was working the main room it was an Amiga with Video Toaster) along with a Sony 1350 13" color and now a Samsung 32" LCD or plasma, not sure which one. Full telecomm system including FOH, green room and stage monitor positions, etc. So I'm only in the most new of newbie states, with a Panny 3ccd MiniDV, a couple of the JVC industrial S-VHS units and a Sony 13" color monitor. But like I said on RVP, you gotta start somewhere. I'll have to have tons of money to spend if I'm going to do anything on a pro level, plus I've got to go back into my 25 year old video experience and start pulling up memories I haven't used in years, like TBC and color processing, genlock switchers, etc. But for now, it's just the idea of dumping tape into the computer, slide in a good mix from multitrack digital, and put it out the DVD hole in my computer! g -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio |
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"Roger W. Norman" wrote in message... I have MS Office, but other than studio support, there's nothing on this computer but audio. You're lucky that Office hasn't somehow managed to bite you. If you have any of the MDAC (MS direct access) components installed, you can expect slowdowns. DM |
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"John Marsden" wrote in message
... I do this every day on a Mac system (ya, I know - Apples and Oranges...), and the MOST important aspect of this is that your audio and video stuff can NOT reside on the same harddrive. I have a dedicated hard drive JUST for video. Oh yeah, and they need to be miminum of 7200 rpm drives. Video also takes up a huge amount of room so you need big drives for that. If all you want to do is lock your video to audio so you can do audio post, I say you can do it on the same machine as long as your audio program supports movie windows (like ProTools, Digital Performer, etc.). For anything fancier video-wise, you'll need a program like Premiere, etc. Hope that helps. Since I don't mix FOH to video on all of the shows we do at the Jazz Festival, I want to be able to transfer the video and take a completed multitrack mix and fly into the video app and burn a really nice video. Now whether I can get anything to lock with VHS as the video base, I doubt it. I guess I could dub SMPTE onto an audio track and then transfer it to the computer. At least that would give me reference points. But hey, it's all a big new playground and I don't know which of the toys to play with first. I do know that I have some sessions which should have made it obvious to me that I can't screw with the audio machine, so I'll look at building another machine. Luckily I have a couple of decent cases with good 400 watt power supplies, an extra dual head video card, more hard drives, etc., already lying around, so Athlon 2800+ here I come. -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio -- John Marsden Little-Big Sound audio for video, film & digital media; graphics & software solutions www.lbsound.com "Roger W. Norman" wrote in message ... I'm moving into digital video and was wondering whether I should build another computer, or simply upgrade this one to do both jobs. The video capture card is a Canopus and I'm using an Athlon 1600+. I don't have serious video requirements, just transfers of concerts off VHS which I'll then use with the audio from multitrack to create DVDs. I've been to other newsgroups, but most consider audio to be secondary and typically use needle drop libraries more than trying to combine multitrack digital mixes with video, so anybody even just playing with it right now would be welcome to comment. -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio |
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I don't think that is a fair evaluation! :-) The reason production
music is discussed so regularly there is because of the licensing complexities, not necessarily because of the technical issues. I think even video people with a serious interest in audio come here to ask their audio questions. Do any video people have a serious interest in audio? Usually they are treated like the wicked step-child :-) "Oh yeah, the audio... well, I'm sure you'll think of something!" |
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"Roger W. Norman" wrote in message ... I guess the obvious reply would be that I'd rather not screw with a fully functional audio computer just to end up removing hardware and software, which is always a burden on a system. Oh well, I've got a couple of boxes around, neither which would be optimal, but for basic video transfers might do the trick. Plus, since I don't have an operational video system yet, even a screw up won't bring down my audio service. I may hate working on computers, but building them is one heck of a lot easier than trying to fix a broken one! Thanks guys. The answer should have obvious anyway. How long did it take you to get a DAW functioning to your liking? Why wouldn't you expect it to at least take that long to do it with video? Either way, I'll bet your system can handle it just fine, but it would depend on what you were trying to do with it. My system over here is a 2.8 P4, handles it just fine. Can even surf the web while I capture audio and video at the same time. |
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Not at all. I turn off all the components, including fast find, etc., and
it never gets in the way. Nothing MS Office related in the task manager. -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio "David Morgan (MAMS)" wrote in message ... "Roger W. Norman" wrote in message... I have MS Office, but other than studio support, there's nothing on this computer but audio. You're lucky that Office hasn't somehow managed to bite you. If you have any of the MDAC (MS direct access) components installed, you can expect slowdowns. DM |
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"Romeo Rondeau" wrote in message
... How long did it take you to get a DAW functioning to your liking? Why wouldn't you expect it to at least take that long to do it with video? Either way, I'll bet your system can handle it just fine, but it would depend on what you were trying to do with it. My system over here is a 2.8 P4, handles it just fine. Can even surf the web while I capture audio and video at the same time. Other than finding out that the KT266 chipset again didn't like the MOTU, even after VIA had fixed the problem in the KT133 I didn't have any problems. But I had to drop to a KT133A chipset and it limited my CPU upgrades. Right now my wife's game computer beats mine, but mine does everything audio I need it to, so I think it makes sense to move up to a 2800+ for the video and leave my audio system just like it is. With sessions coming in the last thing I want to do is have a system not functioning correctly. -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio |
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In Article , "Richard Crowley"
wrote: Roger W. Norman wrote: I'm moving into digital video and was wondering whether I should build another computer, or simply upgrade this one to do both jobs. The video capture card is a Canopus and I'm using an Athlon 1600+. I don't have serious video requirements, just transfers of concerts off VHS which I'll then use with the audio from multitrack to create DVDs. I've been to other newsgroups, but most consider audio to be secondary and typically use needle drop libraries more than trying to combine multitrack digital mixes with video, so anybody even just playing with it right now would be welcome to comment. Roger, Just moving that way here. G5 Mac dual 2 GHz. Final Cut Express. Still learning waht the buttons do, but I have my second client already (at reduced beginner dummy rates). Regards, Ty Ford For Ty Ford V/O demos, audio services and equipment reviews, click on http://www.jagunet.com/~tford |
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"Mike Rivers" wrote in message news:znr1077235384k@trad... In article writes: You're lucky that Office hasn't somehow managed to bite you. If you have any of the MDAC (MS direct access) components installed, you can expect slowdowns. I'm always curious when someone posts a zinger like this as if we all know what MDAC is, how gets installed, what it does, and how to un-install it (and what will happen then). Care to inform? Holy bejeebees Mike.... No, I don't care to inform.... I've just seen the results prevent successful audio from happnin' on a PC with lots of Office stuff going on. Here's some gibberish on MDAC that you'ld have to peruse piece at a time and puzzle it together. Please, don't take the time g : http://search.microsoft.com/search/r...DAC&view=en-us I really can't describe it like I know some folks around here probably can, but it's a set of components that comes into play when there are several pieces of software installed that invoke querry language to one another (SQL)... like filling in certain forms, importing from one application to another, etc.. No help? Didn't think so. It also plays around with any software that requires the Microsoft.net Framework. (A recent 'critical' update that carried the warning not to download unless you have components that require it). I think this is mostly server oriented stuff, but educational software - think class room - requires all of that hooplah... MSQL, Java JIT Compiler, ODBC, the MS.net Framework http://www.microsoft.com/net/ and more. Needless to say, the stuff doesn't belong in an audio 'puter, but much of it can be used or needed by Office-type software. The last thing one wants to figure out is an "Unhandled Exception Error" caused by this potential mess of interleaved office stuff. I'd be happy to e-mail you a copy of the 'error report' from the first time I ran into this snag. It's only about 30K and 15 pages @ 10pt type. By the way... did you know that the 'JIT' in JIT Compiler stands for "just in time"? No joke. I guess, if you *really* want an answer, it won't be coming from me. When I run into this stuff on a machine someone wants to dedicate to audio, I just reformat. DM |
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"Romeo Rondeau" wrote ...
I don't think that is a fair evaluation! :-) The reason production music is discussed so regularly there is because of the licensing complexities, not necessarily because of the technical issues. I think even video people with a serious interest in audio come here to ask their audio questions. Do any video people have a serious interest in audio? Usually they are treated like the wicked step-child :-) Of course there are SOME video people that care about audio. Just as there are SOME audio people that care about video! :-) |
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"Ty Ford" wrote in message
... Roger, Just moving that way here. G5 Mac dual 2 GHz. Final Cut Express. Still learning waht the buttons do, but I have my second client already (at reduced beginner dummy rates). Haven't even gotten that far. Can do some basic filming, but don't have a way to transfer MiniDV to the computer with this camera, so it's either get a cheap MiniDV with DV out, or find a small desktop MiniDV playback deck. I find that to be almost criminal of Panasonic. Why build a digital camera and not have digital outs? Damned nice image, though. That's one problem of many, but I'm still iffy about messing with my audio computer, or building another one. I probably wouldn't care so much about building another computer but this festival ended up taking a lot from my bank account to fill equipment slots that I may or may not have needed to fill right then. I mean, it can't hurt to have another 16/4 100' snake, but as it worked out I didn't need it right then. And Bev is bound and determined to buy a baby grand this week. And then there are accessories that are pretty rich, like a decent video tripod with a nice fluid head. But I guess I'm going to have to bite the bullet one way or the other, which could easily mean a two camera setup with some switcher that I know will cost a ton of bucks. Plus, I'm also testing some ServoDrive Triks this weekend (John V did the Baltimore Sci-Fi show with them last weekend). Looking for something to work at the DC Council of Art outdoor concert series we are involved with. But by the time I apply 4 of those babies and two subs along with power amps I'm looking at about $18k. Geez, I'm talking myself out of it already! g Musta picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue! -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio Regards, Ty Ford For Ty Ford V/O demos, audio services and equipment reviews, click on http://www.jagunet.com/~tford |
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"David Morgan (MAMS)" wrote in message
... Holy bejeebees Mike.... No, I don't care to inform.... I've just seen the results prevent successful audio from happnin' on a PC with lots of Office stuff going on. Here's some gibberish on MDAC that you'ld have to peruse piece at a time and puzzle it together. Please, don't take the time g : http://search.microsoft.com/search/r...DAC&view=en-us Ah, now see, I didn't say that it's Office 2000. It's Office 97, and that's my final install version because it doesn't have .net services and ODBC can be turned off and about the only thing left is to disable fast find on all drives. I currently run Outlook all the time for calendaring, Outlook Express for mail/newsgroups (don't ask), and Samplitude is usually up for weeks at a time. But Office never sticks it's ugly head in the way. -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio |
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I guess we'll see. I don't plan to go to any exhorbitant methods right now,
but I have the base material to come up with a plan. Then it's a matter of whether 'tis cheaper to suffer the slings of outrageous timecode problems or just buy a DVD recording deck and be done with it. Of course, there's always the slop of having my digital tapes a 44.1 and my video audio at 48 kHz, but I guess I could always change the Tascam over to 48 on the next sessions I use it. With DVD being the target media I guess it doesn't matter. Too many things to think about! g Guess I didn't pick a good week to quit shooting heroin! g -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio "Mike Rivers" wrote in message news:znr1077235527k@trad... In article writes: whether I can get anything to lock with VHS as the video base, I doubt it. I guess I could dub SMPTE onto an audio track and then transfer it to the computer. At least that would give me reference points. That's about all you'd get unless you're lucky. The time code reference really needs to come from the video and get put on to the audio in real time in order for them to really be in sync. The luck might come from the fact that both the video and audio are digital and therefore neither will drift very much over the duration of the song. As long as there aren't any tight shots on a drumstick, it'll probably turn out OK. -- I'm really Mike Rivers ) However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over, lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo |
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"Roger W. Norman" wrote in message ...
I'm moving into digital video and was wondering whether I should build another computer, or simply upgrade this one to do both jobs. The video capture card is a Canopus and I'm using an Athlon 1600+. I don't have serious video requirements, just transfers of concerts off VHS which I'll then use with the audio from multitrack to create DVDs. I've been to other newsgroups, but most consider audio to be secondary and typically use needle drop libraries more than trying to combine multitrack digital mixes with video, so anybody even just playing with it right now would be welcome to comment. Roger, we have a very efficiant and inexpensive set up for video post. I'm in NoVa, e mail me if you would like to see what it can do, before you go out and buy more software for your PC. We also have the current incarnation of NewTeks Video Toaster the VT3,We've had them since many years ago when we ran everything from hybrid Amigas, the VT3 is running on another machine, but yes you can get everything to work on one computer. Andrea |
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"Richard Crowley" wrote in message
... Of course there are SOME video people that care about audio. Just as there are SOME audio people that care about video! :-) That's true. But, you must admit, if the idea is to start in video, that audio interest doesn't seem to be as high as would the image quality issue for someone that's spent 10s to 100s of thousands of dollars on audio. In other words, some people are visually creative and some are aureally creative, so one usually goes with their strengths. Not everybody can compose the soundtrack to John Carpenter's The Thing and have one note compositions actually work! g In the case of the jazz festival I've now worked for eight years, video has been on the back burner in all of the co-stages, which I manage and provide equipment for. For the past few years I've at least upped the ante to having FOH being pumped into a VHS Hi-Fi recorder in each room because video mics just didn't cut it, and all of the performers have VHS. Bad enough to have a static picture of a performance, but worse yet to have it sound just as bad as the picture. This year we stepped it up in two rooms, running video and FOH to DVD with the JVCs being safety recordings, plus I'd bet that about 50% of the performers don't have DVD players yet. So the idea is to bring the co-stages up to the level of the main room, sans the multi-camera angles, switching, etc. It's bad enough doing two formats of video but there's also the multitrack digital recordings going on in each of the three rooms. So while I want to get a certain level of video quality (like, it wouldn't hurt to have a little interest in the camera views rather than a static picture), that is going to fall second to getting good audio since it's a music performance. I'm no different than anybody else! g What I'd like to do and what I can realistically provide are another $20k apart. -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio |
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Actually, I'm afraid to even open my computer to look and see if I have
space for another card! g I have a UW2940 with a CD-R and 2 18 GB 10k rpm SCSI drives, a FiberChannel card with a 33 GB 10k SCSI drive, a 6 gig boot with a DVD-RAM/R burner on IDE0 and a 30 gig and 80 gig on IDE1, so that's all the room for internal hard drives. The good thing is the Canopus ADVC-1394 has firewire, so I'm looking at firewire drives now. I doubt seriously I will be doing video and audio at the same time. I think that I'll try this board in my current computer first. I'll probably be back in a few minutes yelling and screaming, but I'm anxious to at least give it a try. Hit me with an email and phone number or I'll give you mine on a return email. It might take someone to help talk me through this. -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio "Andrea" wrote in message om... "Roger W. Norman" wrote in message ... I'm moving into digital video and was wondering whether I should build another computer, or simply upgrade this one to do both jobs. The video capture card is a Canopus and I'm using an Athlon 1600+. I don't have serious video requirements, just transfers of concerts off VHS which I'll then use with the audio from multitrack to create DVDs. I've been to other newsgroups, but most consider audio to be secondary and typically use needle drop libraries more than trying to combine multitrack digital mixes with video, so anybody even just playing with it right now would be welcome to comment. Roger, we have a very efficiant and inexpensive set up for video post. I'm in NoVa, e mail me if you would like to see what it can do, before you go out and buy more software for your PC. We also have the current incarnation of NewTeks Video Toaster the VT3,We've had them since many years ago when we ran everything from hybrid Amigas, the VT3 is running on another machine, but yes you can get everything to work on one computer. Andrea |
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I didn't address that compatibility issue, and raw power requirements, which
were some of the things I was referring to. Let's see, non mpegged video eats what, 30 megs a minute? So even though I have 187 GBs of storage on the audio computer, I can't seem to keep it clean enough to do a new session without dumping stuff to DVD, so obviously I need more hard drive space. I have no more internal space, so that would require either external SCSI, Firewire or USB 2.0. Any of those are available easily enough. You mentioned your ADVC100 on RVP as being quite adequate to the task. The Let's Edit card has no analog video out, but that's fine for right now. I can think of several work arounds. But raw CPU power is a concern. I've now been looking at a FIC mobo with SiS 748 chipset that will run a 2800+ Barton Athlon, but now I'm talking 1 GB of ram, and haven't addressed a video card. I have a Matrox 64 MB dual head sitting here, but then I noticed a lot of newer dual heads with lots of processing power. I could easily throw a system together, but that's without a budget. So, again Richard, could you kinda identify what I should expect to put a computer together? The Videoguys link was ok, but you have a better idea of what I want to do and what I currently have. Makes more sense to be able to directly question you. -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio "Richard Crowley" wrote in message ... Roger W. Norman wrote: I'm moving into digital video and was wondering whether I should build another computer, or simply upgrade this one to do both jobs. The video capture card is a Canopus and I'm using an Athlon 1600+. I don't have serious video requirements, just transfers of concerts off VHS which I'll then use with the audio from multitrack to create DVDs. I've been to other newsgroups, but most consider audio to be secondary and typically use needle drop libraries more than trying to combine multitrack digital mixes with video, so anybody even just playing with it right now would be welcome to comment. I don't think that is a fair evaluation! :-) The reason production music is discussed so regularly there is because of the licensing complexities, not necessarily because of the technical issues. I think even video people with a serious interest in audio come here to ask their audio questions. "Andrew M." wrote ... Although I believe that audio and video can work fine on the same computer, I would get a second one just for video because of the rendering time. "Steve King" wrote ... Rendering time may be important or it may not. Your present computer should capture, edit, render, and output the video you described successfully. If you are going to buy the video software and you already have the hardware, it costs nothing to load it onto your present computer and see if you are happy with the results. You can always remove the software and move it to a faster machine if you are not satisfied. Agree. As long as none of the video hardware/software interferes with the audio functionality, go for it. You may run out of disk space before the end of the week, however! :-) I do both audio (Alesis HD24, etc.) and video (multi-camera, live switched location productions, etc.) I have separate computers for doing audio and video post, but that is as much a matter of different requirements and concurrent operation as any issue with compatibility. Here are some pix of my larger video production setup... http://www.rcrowley.com/LocVideo/index.htm |
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Geez, I'm talking myself out of it already! g Musta picked the wrong week
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"Roger W. Norman" wrote ...
I didn't address that compatibility issue, and raw power requirements, which were some of the things I was referring to. Let's see, non mpegged video eats what, 30 megs a minute? The standard most of us seem to use these days is DV which takes 13Gb per hour. So even though I have 187 GBs of storage on the audio computer, I can't seem to keep it clean enough to do a new session without dumping stuff to DVD, so obviously I need more hard drive space. HD space/$ is dropping at such a tremendous rate that it is cheaper to buy hard drives at the neighborhood vendor than to drive downtown to buy ADAT tapes. I can buy disk drive drawers that are identical to the ones in my Alesis HD24 at my neighborhood store for $15 each. This is my solution for both audio and video production (and now storage) space. I have no more internal space, so that would require either external SCSI, Firewire or USB 2.0. Any of those are available easily enough. Disk drive drawers are cheaper and more reliable, IME. And interchangable with ADAT HD24 if you buy the right ones. You mentioned your ADVC100 on RVP as being quite adequate to the task. The Let's Edit card has no analog video out, but that's fine for right now. I can think of several work arounds. The ADVC-100 requires a firewire port on the computer. This means another card unless your computer already has a Firewire port. But raw CPU power is a concern. I've now been looking at a FIC mobo with SiS 748 chipset that will run a 2800+ Barton Athlon, but now I'm talking 1 GB of ram, and haven't addressed a video card. I have a Matrox 64 MB dual head sitting here, but then I noticed a lot of newer dual heads with lots of processing power. I could easily throw a system together, but that's without a budget. So, again Richard, could you kinda identify what I should expect to put a computer together? The Videoguys link was ok, but you have a better idea of what I want to do and what I currently have. Makes more sense to be able to directly question you. Disclaimer: Since I work for Intel (we develop the transistors and manufacturing processes for all the major microprocessor products and have produced "first silicon" for everthing since the i386(TM) in the fab next door to my office), I can't help you with any questions about CPUs from "Brand-A" :-) I've never used them and know only what I've read on Usenet (which anyone can look up in Google Groups.) The only thing that really requires raw CPU horsepower is rendering video effects. (Rendering means re-calculating every frame that you have changed: added titles, reframed, color corrected, applied transitions like wipes, dissolves, etc.) And the only disadvantage of a slow processor is waiting a few more seconds/minutes for the calculations to complete. Even the slowest CPU (as long as it is compatible with the software) will produce just *good* a product as the fastest CPU, but it may take *longer* to render. Unless you are doing several projects/day, letting them render overnight is a viable workaround for a slow CPU. Transfering *DV* from VCR/camcorder to HD requires no CPU horsepower, capturing analog video MIGHT require CPU cycles depending on the particular capture card. Some of the newer video products (like the latest version of Adobe Premiere) require the extra instructions we included in the latest versions of the Pentium(R) processors but I have seen reports that there are software work- arounds for that. I produced a one-hour instructional video on a music conducting topic that is selling around the world (transcoded into PAL for those in the PAL-territories! :-) I did it on my old 300 MHz P2 machine with 256Mb of RAM and four 9Gb disks. Rendering the entire timeline took overnight (while I was sleeping), but otherwise indistinguishable from what you could do on a 4-5 GHz machine next year. When I put a machine together, I start with the software I want to use. The software requirements will dictate what CPU, motherboard, RAM, video I/O, etc. to use. I prefer assembling computers from generic components from the neighborhood computer parts store because it makes the parts individually upgradable without worrying about compatibility with custom, proprietary parts from "name-brand" computer vendors. It seems to me that your biggest issue is whether your current CPU and existing audio applications are compatible with the video softare you want to install. It is easy enough to look up CPU compatibility, but compatibility with other applications is quite possibly something you can only determine by a live, in-vivo experiment. (Be sure you can recover your audio data and software by having a curent backup!!!) RAM should be easy to expand if you need it. Just takes $$ Disk space is easily solved with plug-in disk drawers, at least in my world. |
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Welp, that didn't work for a good ****. Out of 5000 computers you'd think
I'd learn. Never mess with an operational computer. -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio "Andrea" wrote in message om... "Roger W. Norman" wrote in message ... I'm moving into digital video and was wondering whether I should build another computer, or simply upgrade this one to do both jobs. The video capture card is a Canopus and I'm using an Athlon 1600+. I don't have serious video requirements, just transfers of concerts off VHS which I'll then use with the audio from multitrack to create DVDs. I've been to other newsgroups, but most consider audio to be secondary and typically use needle drop libraries more than trying to combine multitrack digital mixes with video, so anybody even just playing with it right now would be welcome to comment. Roger, we have a very efficiant and inexpensive set up for video post. I'm in NoVa, e mail me if you would like to see what it can do, before you go out and buy more software for your PC. We also have the current incarnation of NewTeks Video Toaster the VT3,We've had them since many years ago when we ran everything from hybrid Amigas, the VT3 is running on another machine, but yes you can get everything to work on one computer. Andrea |
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"Richard Crowley" wrote in message
... The standard most of us seem to use these days is DV which takes 13Gb per hour. Well, it's like 1227000 MB per hour, so yeah, that's what I got using the 30 megs per minute, properly adjusted for 1024000 bytes equalling 1 MB. HD space/$ is dropping at such a tremendous rate that it is cheaper to buy hard drives at the neighborhood vendor than to drive downtown to buy ADAT tapes. I can buy disk drive drawers that are identical to the ones in my Alesis HD24 at my neighborhood store for $15 each. This is my solution for both audio and video production (and now storage) space. I know hard drives are cheap, but geez, there are times when it's right to spend money and times when it's necessary to do what you have to do. Right now, since I can't get that card to work in my computer, it's a moot point. I will start assembling a new one after I get back from outside evaluation of the ServoDrive Unity Trik speakers that SPL was so kind to loan me. I've got a number of upcoming outside events for the DC Council of Arts that require a little more throw than what I have, so that's also Mo' Money, Mo' Money. I produced a one-hour instructional video on a music conducting topic that is selling around the world (transcoded into PAL for those in the PAL-territories! :-) I did it on my old 300 MHz P2 machine with 256Mb of RAM and four 9Gb disks. Rendering the entire timeline took overnight (while I was sleeping), but otherwise indistinguishable from what you could do on a 4-5 GHz machine next year. Then from what you're saying, I should (SHOULD) be able to dump this ADVC1394 into an older Athlon Slot A board (850 MHz) and do exactly what I want to, barring memory and hard drive limitations, which is certainly workable for me. A 30 Gig boot and three 80 gig drives and I can capture what I want, then do network transfers to my audio computer, run the Ulead DVD Authoring software and burn DVDs. That works for me. Now I just hope I didn't totally screw up my audio computer in just trying to install this ADVC1394 board. Seems my computer didn't like it at all, and that's with a 475 watt PSU. Thanks again, Richard. -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio |
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"Roger W. Norman" wrote:
I'm moving into digital video and was wondering whether I should build another computer, or simply upgrade this one to do both jobs. The video capture card is a Canopus and I'm using an Athlon 1600+. I don't have serious video requirements, just transfers of concerts off VHS which I'll then use with the audio from multitrack to create DVDs. I'm going through this too at the moment on an Athlon 1700 machine. DVCam is no problem - I bought a cheap firewire card and a Plextor DVD writer. The video software that came with the DVD writer (Pinnacle Studio) recognised the firewire card and worked straight away. I then wanted to capture analogue video which caused more problems. I bought a Pinnacle card which came with really poor software and wasn't recognised by Pinnacle Studio but I eventually found that there was a new version on the website which did recognise the card. Before finding the new version I scoured dvdrhelp.com and doom9.org for alternative software and it appears that Virtual Dub is the program that everyone is talking about. I get the impression that Video on a PC is at the same stage as audio was 10 years ago - you can do it but you need to jump through a few hoops first. Cheers. James. |
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"Mike Rivers" wrote in message ... There's something that keeps showing up in the Startup tab from msconfig that has to do with checking for updates for Microsoft Works (WkDetect.exe). I turn it off by unchecking the box and it and it turns itself back on. I could probably live without Works Don't act without confirmation, but you could always do a 'find files' on this and delete the .exe.... or search the registry for the same and delete the registry key. This, "HI, I'm back" stuff is why I so despise on-board anti-virus and virtually anything that requires auto-updates that can't be shut off without tampering in the registry. (I occasionally use WordPad but don't really need it) if uninstalling it is the only way to get rid of checking for updates, but I don't now if this ever gets in the way anyway. If you mean Word, it's not that bad outside the ODBC & fast find. If you seriously meant WordPAD, wordpad and notepad are parts of the OS and pretty much stand-alone apps that don't get in the way. After a little experience, I never re-installed Works or Word on any of my machines. I find that I can do everything but spreadsheets in WordPad, from business cards to stationery, etc.. If not there, then in an HTML editor. In any case, for me, I'd rather dedicate another box to office stuff and internet, than take the chance. As Steve mentioned earlier, he rests assured that he can accomplish his audio goals on a bloated machine, and Romeo too has mentioned severe multitasking while working in audio. I know a lot of people though, who have taken their PC 'power' for granted and actually had problems that weren't easily recognizable. I admire that determination, but don't recommend it if you *must guarantee* your audio work to your clients. -- David Morgan (MAMS) http://www.m-a-m-s.com http://www.artisan-recordingstudio.com |
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"Roger W. Norman" wrote in message ... Of course, there's always the slop of having my digital tapes a 44.1 and my video audio at 48 kHz, but I guess I could always change the Tascam over to 48 on the next sessions I use it. With DVD being the target media I guess it doesn't matter. Only if you plan to burn plain old CDA discs for anyone. May as well stay at 44.1 in that case. They will still sync in your video editor. DM |
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"David Morgan (MAMS)" wrote in message
... SNIP As Steve mentioned earlier, he rests assured that he can accomplish his audio goals on a bloated machine, and Romeo too has mentioned severe multitasking while working in audio. I know a lot of people though, who have taken their PC 'power' for granted and actually had problems that weren't easily recognizable. I admire that determination, but don't recommend it if you *must guarantee* your audio work to your clients. That last line is important, and I should have qualified myself better. If I were offering to clients audio or video services at hourly or daily rates (as I once did), I would keep my tools as lean and free of risk from the computer gremlins as possible. I would network them only to the extent that was necessary to pass files within my own operation and only when the machines I was networked with were offline as far as the Internet, and I would keep them logged off the LAN except when specifically necessary for files transfer, etc. However, in my case, I'm my own client for audio and video, I'm careful to back-up, and I have my last generation DAW/Video Editing computer as a back-up ready to go with a few patch cables, so I feel free to be less conservative in my computer use. The point I was trying to make was not to recommend a risky approach but to point out that the computers that have been available to us for the last few years can function essentially glitch free even when great demands are placed on them, particularly after a few simple tweaks have been applied to turn off the worst offending "automatic" software functions. Memory and storage are so cheap and so fast that we can easily achieve functionality that just wasn't possible a few years ago. My DAW has become bloated because I'm just too lazy to keep it isolated and walk to the other side of the studio to go on-line with either of two fairly capable PCs that mostly sit idle. Maybe I've just been lucky. Steve King |
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I haven't read all the responses to this thread yet, so someone else may have
mentioned this: Rendering output makes a dedicated video machine a necessity. The second time you have to cancel an audio session becuse the machine is busy rendering effects you'll end up buying a dedicated machine anyway, so avoid the delay and just do it now. Joe Egan EMP Colchester, VT www.eganmedia.com |
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AND, here's what happened. I installed the card, fixed my system so that I
could get it past post, installed software, ran what seemed to be a few hundred tests and got one, I repeat, ONE, video transfer out of it. And although I selected the base DVC extention on the file it came up as a .AVI and wouldn't load into the software for playback, however it would playback via Windows Media Player 9, so screw it, I'm going to a local computer show tomorrow, buying some parts and building a new computer for video. What frustration. Had my dog been down in the studio I would have kicked him, several times. Like I said, don't **** with a working computer that has an application specific function. It's just not, repeat, NOT worth it. But thanks to all that have responded, and I appreciate it. To me building a new computer is far easier than having to find out why an older one doesn't want to do the job. Since I'm only transferring video, the new system is going to be an older 850 Mhz Slot A Athlon, with 1 gig of memory and a 30 gig hard drive for boot, and 120 gig hard drive for transfers. That should suffice. Thanks again to all that have responded. No telling what's going to work until you actually try it. -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio "Steve King" wrote in message ... "David Morgan (MAMS)" wrote in message ... SNIP As Steve mentioned earlier, he rests assured that he can accomplish his audio goals on a bloated machine, and Romeo too has mentioned severe multitasking while working in audio. I know a lot of people though, who have taken their PC 'power' for granted and actually had problems that weren't easily recognizable. I admire that determination, but don't recommend it if you *must guarantee* your audio work to your clients. That last line is important, and I should have qualified myself better. If I were offering to clients audio or video services at hourly or daily rates (as I once did), I would keep my tools as lean and free of risk from the computer gremlins as possible. I would network them only to the extent that was necessary to pass files within my own operation and only when the machines I was networked with were offline as far as the Internet, and I would keep them logged off the LAN except when specifically necessary for files transfer, etc. However, in my case, I'm my own client for audio and video, I'm careful to back-up, and I have my last generation DAW/Video Editing computer as a back-up ready to go with a few patch cables, so I feel free to be less conservative in my computer use. The point I was trying to make was not to recommend a risky approach but to point out that the computers that have been available to us for the last few years can function essentially glitch free even when great demands are placed on them, particularly after a few simple tweaks have been applied to turn off the worst offending "automatic" software functions. Memory and storage are so cheap and so fast that we can easily achieve functionality that just wasn't possible a few years ago. My DAW has become bloated because I'm just too lazy to keep it isolated and walk to the other side of the studio to go on-line with either of two fairly capable PCs that mostly sit idle. Maybe I've just been lucky. Steve King |
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