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your Car Amplifier advice, please!
Talk about the wrong thread to have a typo in.......man oh man........
Paul Vina "Soundfreak03" wrote in message ... 10 watts IS 100 watts. Paul, I will take 10 of those amps off of your hands Your going to be a millionaire, don't forget us little people |
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Is there such a thing as a passive amplier?
Actually yes! But that's another discussion for another time. Hint: it uses reactance to provide a narrowband boost with passive elements... |
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No, it would make it a Pyramid amp.
What happens if you remove the little "100 watt" emblem from the amp and put "10000 watts" on it? Would that then make it a 10000 watt amp? |
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Hey Lester, I think that you like me. How about giving me a little head then?
LOL In article , othanks (Soundfreak03) wrote: What happens if you remove the little "100 watt" emblem from the amp and put "10000 watts" on it? Would that then make it a 10000 watt amp? Of course Everyone knows that the emblem on the amp is always the truth. (The previous statement is soaked in sarcasm, just clarification for Howdy's bad reading skills) Les |
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You can argue that at your next stereo competition when someone enters a
400watt power class with a pair of Orion 2100hcca's or a Us Amps VLX-400 and you're sitting there with a 400 watt Profile amp in the same class. Feel free to tell them that only noobs go by the label on the amp. In article , othanks (Soundfreak03) wrote: My point is stated below, Lester are challenged also? Your point is pointless. You stated; "What I am saying is that a watt is not a watt between any two amplifiers." A watt is a watt is a watt. A watt in one amp is the same as a watt in another amp. Does that confuse you? What a watt is does not change between amps as you seem to think. The label on the amp is meaningless, only noobs go by the label on the amp. Hmmm that doesn't shock me that you do rely on that meaningless stickers on the amp. Les |
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Hey Paul, How many customers walk in to your shop with test equipment in hand?
How do you feel about bench testing amps for all of your customers that walk in looking to buy an amp? In article CrlOb.90575$na.49255@attbi_s04, "Paul Vina" wrote: So? You can't look at ratings, only at ACTUAL power output when making comparisons. Paul Vina "Captain Howdy" wrote in message ... I totally understand that a watt is a watts. What I am saying is that a watt is not a watt between any two amplifiers. You can have two brand new amplifiers that are both the same make and model and one will put out more wattage then the other. In article , "Tha Ghee" wrote: "Captain Howdy" wrote in message ... With all of the different options between amps such as x-overs, bass-boost, compression, it's hard to get any two amps to sound the same. Another problem is that 100watts is not the same between any two amps. Although I see what you a watt, is a watt, no matter what. |
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You can argue that at your next stereo competition when someone enters a
400watt power class with a pair of Orion 2100hcca's or a Us Amps VLX-400 and you're sitting there with a 400 watt Profile amp in the same class. Feel free to tell them that only noobs go by the label on the amp. Why do you think they choose the amp? True pros recognize that there are more important things to worry about than SQ. We have been through the list before. If the Profile could do what I wanted it too then I would consider using it, simple as that. I choose my amps on several criteria, and SQ is not one of them. Les |
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Mark already used that excuse. lol
In article AvlOb.89538$xy6.161852@attbi_s02, "Paul Vina" wrote: I didn't think Optimus was still making amps. Besides, they don't have any that fit my needs when they did make them. Paul Vina "Captain Howdy" wrote in message ... But yet, none of them use Radio Shack Optimus amplifiers. In article , "Tony Fernandes" wrote: Brian wrote: "I haven't tried PG yet. What model (or series) can you suggest? Whats their best stuff?" The ZX series is now called their Titanium series I believe. I'm not sure there's much of a difference. However, if you've been reading all the posts, then there's not much difference between the Titanium series and a Radio Shack Optimus amplifer. LOL All kidding aside, Mark, Paul, Soundfreak and Eddie really know their stuff. Maybe I'm just not ready to believe them yet (denial is wonderful). I believe my ears...which is connected to my brain...and if my brain is deceiving me then oh well. It's all good. I appreciate and respect their advice. I myself have been pondering Brax amplifiers. But I can't justify the money and honestly, I love my PG amps. Tony |
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None, but if I know for a fact an amp that's rated at 100 watts does 250
watts, I'm not going to stand there and tell the customer it's a 100 watt amp because that's what the manufacturer rates it at, I'm going to tell him that it's a 250 watt amp. I'm not there to pander to my customers, they'll learn something while they're in there whether they like it or not. Paul Vina "Captain Howdy" wrote in message ... Hey Paul, How many customers walk in to your shop with test equipment in hand? How do you feel about bench testing amps for all of your customers that walk in looking to buy an amp? In article CrlOb.90575$na.49255@attbi_s04, "Paul Vina" wrote: So? You can't look at ratings, only at ACTUAL power output when making comparisons. Paul Vina "Captain Howdy" wrote in message ... I totally understand that a watt is a watts. What I am saying is that a watt is not a watt between any two amplifiers. You can have two brand new amplifiers that are both the same make and model and one will put out more wattage then the other. In article , "Tha Ghee" wrote: "Captain Howdy" wrote in message ... With all of the different options between amps such as x-overs, bass-boost, compression, it's hard to get any two amps to sound the same. Another problem is that 100watts is not the same between any two amps. Although I see what you a watt, is a watt, no matter what. |
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That doesn't make it untrue.
Paul Vina "Captain Howdy" wrote in message ... Mark already used that excuse. lol In article AvlOb.89538$xy6.161852@attbi_s02, "Paul Vina" wrote: I didn't think Optimus was still making amps. Besides, they don't have any that fit my needs when they did make them. Paul Vina "Captain Howdy" wrote in message ... But yet, none of them use Radio Shack Optimus amplifiers. In article , "Tony Fernandes" wrote: Brian wrote: "I haven't tried PG yet. What model (or series) can you suggest? Whats their best stuff?" The ZX series is now called their Titanium series I believe. I'm not sure there's much of a difference. However, if you've been reading all the posts, then there's not much difference between the Titanium series and a Radio Shack Optimus amplifer. LOL All kidding aside, Mark, Paul, Soundfreak and Eddie really know their stuff. Maybe I'm just not ready to believe them yet (denial is wonderful). I believe my ears...which is connected to my brain...and if my brain is deceiving me then oh well. It's all good. I appreciate and respect their advice. I myself have been pondering Brax amplifiers. But I can't justify the money and honestly, I love my PG amps. Tony |
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Excuse? HA, that is one of the main reasons to buy an amp. Buy the amp that fits your needs, does not particularly matter the name, as long as it meets the criteria. Still having trouble with that concept aren't you? If you want I can list the reasons to buy an amp. Les Mark already used that excuse. lol In article AvlOb.89538$xy6.161852@attbi_s02, "Paul Vina" wrote: I didn't think Optimus was still making amps. Besides, they don't have any that fit my needs when they did make them. Paul Vina "Captain Howdy" wrote in message ... But yet, none of them use Radio Shack Optimus amplifiers. |
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You can argue that at your next stereo competition when someone enters a
400watt power class with a pair of Orion 2100hcca's or a Us Amps VLX-400 and you're sitting there with a 400 watt Profile amp in the same class. Feel free to tell them that only noobs go by the label on the amp. Why do you think some manufacturers underrate their amplifiers? I think you answered your question above. |
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Mark already used that excuse. lol
And you still haven't countered my "excuse". What amps should I have bought instead? I think I made the best decision based on price/features/reliability/support. Nowhere did the notion tof "sonic signatures" come into play. |
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Proves my point that no two (in this case) 400watt amps are the same. That is
why I stated that a 100watts is not a 100 watts between any two amps. In article , "Mark Zarella" wrote: You can argue that at your next stereo competition when someone enters a 400watt power class with a pair of Orion 2100hcca's or a Us Amps VLX-400 and you're sitting there with a 400 watt Profile amp in the same class. Feel free to tell them that only noobs go by the label on the amp. Why do you think some manufacturers underrate their amplifiers? I think you answered your question above. |
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Paul Vina wrote :"I'm not there to pander to my customers, they'll learn
something while they're in there whether they like it or not." I like your style. I wish more business people were like that! Tony -- What's more likely? That an all-powerful mysterious god created the universe and then decided not to give any proof of his existence? Or, that he simply doesn't exist at all? And that we created him so that we wouldn't have to feel so small and alone. -Eleanor Arroway, Contact "Paul Vina" wrote in message news:AHpOb.90717$I06.404220@attbi_s01... None, but if I know for a fact an amp that's rated at 100 watts does 250 watts, I'm not going to stand there and tell the customer it's a 100 watt amp because that's what the manufacturer rates it at, I'm going to tell him that it's a 250 watt amp. I'm not there to pander to my customers, they'll learn something while they're in there whether they like it or not. Paul Vina "Captain Howdy" wrote in message ... Hey Paul, How many customers walk in to your shop with test equipment in hand? How do you feel about bench testing amps for all of your customers that walk in looking to buy an amp? In article CrlOb.90575$na.49255@attbi_s04, "Paul Vina" wrote: So? You can't look at ratings, only at ACTUAL power output when making comparisons. Paul Vina "Captain Howdy" wrote in message ... I totally understand that a watt is a watts. What I am saying is that a watt is not a watt between any two amplifiers. You can have two brand new amplifiers that are both the same make and model and one will put out more wattage then the other. In article , "Tha Ghee" wrote: "Captain Howdy" wrote in message ... With all of the different options between amps such as x-overs, bass-boost, compression, it's hard to get any two amps to sound the same. Another problem is that 100watts is not the same between any two amps. Although I see what you a watt, is a watt, no matter what. |
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No it doesn't make it untrue, But from what you, Mark and Lester are saying it
sounds that the low end amps are simply not as functional as high grade amps. Since none of them seem to do anything that anyone wants them to do. In article YHpOb.92184$na.50054@attbi_s04, "Paul Vina" wrote: That doesn't make it untrue. Paul Vina "Captain Howdy" wrote in message ... Mark already used that excuse. lol In article AvlOb.89538$xy6.161852@attbi_s02, "Paul Vina" wrote: I didn't think Optimus was still making amps. Besides, they don't have any that fit my needs when they did make them. Paul Vina "Captain Howdy" wrote in message ... But yet, none of them use Radio Shack Optimus amplifiers. In article , "Tony Fernandes" wrote: Brian wrote: "I haven't tried PG yet. What model (or series) can you suggest? Whats their best stuff?" The ZX series is now called their Titanium series I believe. I'm not sure there's much of a difference. However, if you've been reading all the posts, then there's not much difference between the Titanium series and a Radio Shack Optimus amplifer. LOL All kidding aside, Mark, Paul, Soundfreak and Eddie really know their stuff. Maybe I'm just not ready to believe them yet (denial is wonderful). I believe my ears...which is connected to my brain...and if my brain is deceiving me then oh well. It's all good. I appreciate and respect their advice. I myself have been pondering Brax amplifiers. But I can't justify the money and honestly, I love my PG amps. Tony |
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In article , "Mark Zarella" wrote:
Mark already used that excuse. lol And you still haven't countered my "excuse". What amps should I have bought instead? I think I made the best decision based on price/features/reliability/support.\ Price sure, I'll even agree with the features of the amps that you have, but reliability I just can't agree on in regards to the ADS along with support. Who supports ESX amps now days ? Nowhere did the notion tof "sonic signatures" come into play. I donno |
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Proves my point that no two (in this case) 400watt amps are the same. That
is why I stated that a 100watts is not a 100 watts between any two amps. Your definition of a 400 watt amplifier is faulty. You could put a sign on a cat that says "dog", but it doesn't make it a dog! |
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No it doesn't make it untrue, But from what you, Mark and Lester are
saying it sounds that the low end amps are simply not as functional as high grade amps. Since none of them seem to do anything that anyone wants them to do. Add the "higher end" amps to the list too. McIntosh, Brax, Helix, Genesis, etc don't do what I want either. |
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Mark already used that excuse. lol
And you still haven't countered my "excuse". What amps should I have bought instead? I think I made the best decision based on price/features/reliability/support.\ Price sure, I'll even agree with the features of the amps that you have, but reliability I just can't agree on in regards to the ADS along with support. I've gotten superb support from Directed on my a/d/s/ stuff. If you're interested, I'll email you the details of the support I've received. Who supports ESX amps now days ? Oh I don't know. That was a factor in the a/d/s/ purchase but not the ESX purchase. That's part of the reason why I sold my 4-ch ESX. Now I've just got a 2-ch running my sub, but if it fails and I can't fix it for some reason, I won't buy another one. I'd probably stick with Directed actually. |
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I'm tellin' ya! I hated it when I'd get some "thugs" in there asking "is
this their competition stuff?". Paul Vina "Tony Fernandes" wrote in message ... Paul Vina wrote :"I'm not there to pander to my customers, they'll learn something while they're in there whether they like it or not." I like your style. I wish more business people were like that! Tony -- What's more likely? That an all-powerful mysterious god created the universe and then decided not to give any proof of his existence? Or, that he simply doesn't exist at all? And that we created him so that we wouldn't have to feel so small and alone. -Eleanor Arroway, Contact "Paul Vina" wrote in message news:AHpOb.90717$I06.404220@attbi_s01... None, but if I know for a fact an amp that's rated at 100 watts does 250 watts, I'm not going to stand there and tell the customer it's a 100 watt amp because that's what the manufacturer rates it at, I'm going to tell him that it's a 250 watt amp. I'm not there to pander to my customers, they'll learn something while they're in there whether they like it or not. Paul Vina "Captain Howdy" wrote in message ... Hey Paul, How many customers walk in to your shop with test equipment in hand? How do you feel about bench testing amps for all of your customers that walk in looking to buy an amp? In article CrlOb.90575$na.49255@attbi_s04, "Paul Vina" wrote: So? You can't look at ratings, only at ACTUAL power output when making comparisons. Paul Vina "Captain Howdy" wrote in message ... I totally understand that a watt is a watts. What I am saying is that a watt is not a watt between any two amplifiers. You can have two brand new amplifiers that are both the same make and model and one will put out more wattage then the other. In article , "Tha Ghee" wrote: "Captain Howdy" wrote in message ... With all of the different options between amps such as x-overs, bass-boost, compression, it's hard to get any two amps to sound the same. Another problem is that 100watts is not the same between any two amps. Although I see what you a watt, is a watt, no matter what. |
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Sure, please do.
Here are reasons to buy an amp for Howdy. If you disagree with any of them then please speak up. Price, features, reliability, resale value, actual power output, customer support, size, looks, and price. Those are not in any particular order, as it changes for each person. And I am aware that price is there twice, I think it is too easy to overpay for an amp for the brand name. Notice that SQ does not even factor into the equation, with all the other stuff that should be considered who has time to worry about SQ when there is no difference? Les |
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That's right, because no one will accept that labeled cat as a dog. But they
will accept the sign on the amplifier without question. In article , "Mark Zarella" wrote: Proves my point that no two (in this case) 400watt amps are the same. That is why I stated that a 100watts is not a 100 watts between any two amps. Your definition of a 400 watt amplifier is faulty. You could put a sign on a cat that says "dog", but it doesn't make it a dog! |
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Why is everyone in here so hung up on features, I hate the though of internal
crap line x-over and bass boost. When I look at an amp I make sure the amp is stable to whatever is needed and the it has more then enough output, other then that less of other crap the better. Reliability, how can you tell from one amp to another? Look at the nasty surprise PPI fans got when they upgraded from the PC line to the newer PCX line, who seen that coming. Price and resale value goes hand and hand, if you pay next to nothing for an amp you'll get next to nothing on the resale market. More often then not you get what you paid for with just about any amp. In article , othanks (Soundfreak03) wrote: Sure, please do. Here are reasons to buy an amp for Howdy. If you disagree with any of them then please speak up. Price, features, reliability, resale value, actual power output, customer support, size, looks, and price. Those are not in any particular order, as it changes for each person. And I am aware that price is there twice, I think it is too easy to overpay for an amp for the brand name. Notice that SQ does not even factor into the equation, with all the other stuff that should be considered who has time to worry about SQ when there is no difference? Les |
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Why is everyone in here so hung up on features, I hate the though of internal
crap line x-over and bass boost. The internal crossovers on most amps are fine, if they do the job and do not introduce noise then I use them. You are more likely to introduce noise by adding extra components like external EQs and crossovers. Reliability, how can you tell from one amp to another? Look at the nasty surprise PPI fans got when they upgraded from the PC line to the newer PCX line, who seen that coming. If a company has consistently put out a solid product the chances are that they will continue to do so. Though there are instances where that is not the case. You also have amps that have established themselves that you can buy used. Price and resale value goes hand and hand, if you pay next to nothing for an amp you'll get next to nothing on the resale market. Some amps hold resale value better than others, some have virtually no resale value. That is why you have to weigh the costs on each. You cannot have the best in all of the catergories. Choosing an amp has many facets and noone needs the myth of Sound Quality mucking it up. What are your reasons/thoughts when buying an amp? Les |
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That's right, because no one will accept that labeled cat as a dog. But
they will accept the sign on the amplifier without question. That's due solely to their ignorance though. |
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Why is everyone in here so hung up on features, I hate the though of
internal crap line x-over and bass boost. What's wrong with internal crossovers? The crossovers in my a/d/s/ amplifiers are more versatile than most, if not all, external crossovers. Oh yeah, and a lot simpler, cheaper, and less prone to noise. When I look at an amp I make sure the amp is stable to whatever is needed and the it has more then enough output, other then that less of other crap the better. Those are two other features that Les mentioned. Reliability, how can you tell from one amp to another? Look at the nasty surprise PPI fans got when they upgraded from the PC line to the newer PCX line, who seen that coming. Price and resale value goes hand and hand, if you pay next to nothing for an amp you'll get next to nothing on the resale market. More often then not you get what you paid for with just about any amp. If you buy used, you're almost guaranteed your money back when you resell it. But I personally don't use resale value as a criteria, as I don't plan on selling my gear. |
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Captain Howdy wrote: "Why is everyone in here so hung up on features"
Wow. Really a serious question? My PG ZX amps are extrememly flexible. Continuously variable LP/HP xovers. Selectible LP/HP/BP RCA outputs. Dash-mount sub control. Digital diagnostics port (never used these personally, but maybe one day). Variable speed cooling fans. Small size. Bass boost (never used this very much either, but I can totally see why a LOT of people would need this based on their personal preference). And complete connectivity to a lot of other PG amp accessories. I love my amps. Features go a LONG way for me. Tony -- What's more likely? That an all-powerful mysterious god created the universe and then decided not to give any proof of his existence? Or, that he simply doesn't exist at all? And that we created him so that we wouldn't have to feel so small and alone. -Eleanor Arroway, Contact "Captain Howdy" wrote in message ... Why is everyone in here so hung up on features, I hate the though of internal crap line x-over and bass boost. When I look at an amp I make sure the amp is stable to whatever is needed and the it has more then enough output, other then that less of other crap the better. Reliability, how can you tell from one amp to another? Look at the nasty surprise PPI fans got when they upgraded from the PC line to the newer PCX line, who seen that coming. Price and resale value goes hand and hand, if you pay next to nothing for an amp you'll get next to nothing on the resale market. More often then not you get what you paid for with just about any amp. In article , othanks (Soundfreak03) wrote: Sure, please do. Here are reasons to buy an amp for Howdy. If you disagree with any of them then please speak up. Price, features, reliability, resale value, actual power output, customer support, size, looks, and price. Those are not in any particular order, as it changes for each person. And I am aware that price is there twice, I think it is too easy to overpay for an amp for the brand name. Notice that SQ does not even factor into the equation, with all the other stuff that should be considered who has time to worry about SQ when there is no difference? Les |
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In article , "Mark Zarella" wrote:
See my other post. If you use cheap crap, you might get noise, in fact my x-over eliminated noise with a few amps. What's wrong with internal crossovers? The crossovers in my a/d/s/ amplifiers are more versatile than most, if not all, external crossovers. Oh yeah, and a lot simpler, cheaper, and less prone to noise. |
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The bass boost is a totally waste, most hu's have that built-in. If it was
bass restoration that would be a diiferent story such as the epicenter. If i'm not mistaken PG had something like it called a basscube, it just never became as popular as the epicenter for some reason. In article , "Tony Fernandes" wrote: Captain Howdy wrote: "Why is everyone in here so hung up on features" Wow. Really a serious question? My PG ZX amps are extrememly flexible. Continuously variable LP/HP xovers. Selectible LP/HP/BP RCA outputs. Dash-mount sub control. Digital diagnostics port (never used these personally, but maybe one day). Variable speed cooling fans. Small size. Bass boost (never used this very much either, but I can totally see why a LOT of people would need this based on their personal preference). And complete connectivity to a lot of other PG amp accessories. I love my amps. Features go a LONG way for me. Tony |
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The internal crossovers on most amps are fine, if they do the job and do
not introduce noise then I use them. You are more likely to introduce noise by adding extra components like external EQs and crossovers. There is nothing that I hate more then built-in x-overs especially when it comes to bi-amping subwoofers. What other solution is there, if you insist on biamping a subwoofer? Head unit filtered outputs? Not all heads have them. There is nothing that I hate more then trying to tune a pair of amps with an oscilloscope and a tone generator, because on average it takes me a better part of a week to tune a system with just a single amps per each sound range. That's why I never biamp a sub. I can't think of many reasons why you would have to, unless you're into some really exotic dB drag stuff. With an external x-over I can run 10 amplifiers to power my subs and I know that all of them are running at the same frequencies. I have an Audiocontrol 4xs x-over that I hold very dear, with this thing no matter what plain-jane amp I happen to come across has a 2/3/4 way x-over with a selectable 18 dB/24 db roll-off. I had to get rid of my 4xs because it didn't provide as much adjustability as my a/d/s/ amp's xovers. Along with an adjustable subsonic filter, Adjustable, balanced or unbalanced inputs, and selectable ground loop isolation (isolated, grounded or 200ohm). That's all the x-over that I have ever needed. The subsonic filter is a nice touch. Reliability, how can you tell from one amp to another? Look at the nasty surprise PPI fans got when they upgraded from the PC line to the newer PCX line, who seen that coming. If a company has consistently put out a solid product the chances are that they will continue to do so. Though there are instances where that is not the case. You also have amps that have established themselves that you can buy used. Price and resale value goes hand and hand, if you pay next to nothing for an amp you'll get next to nothing on the resale market. Some amps hold resale value better than others, some have virtually no resale value. That is why you have to weigh the costs on each. You cannot have the best in all of the catergories. Choosing an amp has many facets and noone needs the myth of Sound Quality mucking it up. What are your reasons/thoughts when buying an amp? Les I'm not overly picky about the amps that I use to power mid/highs with, but when it comes to powering low end that's a different story. I like amps that are totally featureless in the way of x-overs, bass boost, and overload protection. I look for amps that will run at low impedance. Amps that have a high fuse rating vs rated wattage. Although I wouldn't pass on a good amp without a built in cooling fan, I definitely much rather have an amp that has one. I also tend to buy big sled amps not only because of the cooling factor, I just like the pure size of them. As for class a/b vs class d when looking at sub amps, I have too many mixed emotions on the issue. Where does the airy nature of the sub amp, the high damping factor, the warmth of the sound, and the precision of the control of the cone come into play? |
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See my other post. If you use cheap crap, you might get noise, in fact my
x-over eliminated noise with a few amps. How can an additional device reduce noise? If it did, then that noise could have been reduced by much simpler (and cheaper) means. |
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True, but never the less, it sells amps.
In article , "Mark Zarella" wrote: That's right, because no one will accept that labeled cat as a dog. But they will accept the sign on the amplifier without question. That's due solely to their ignorance though. |
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Sure does, but that wasn't really the topic at hand.
"Captain Howdy" wrote in message ... True, but never the less, it sells amps. In article , "Mark Zarella" wrote: That's right, because no one will accept that labeled cat as a dog. But they will accept the sign on the amplifier without question. That's due solely to their ignorance though. |
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What other solution is there, if you insist on biamping a subwoofer? Head unit filtered outputs? Not all heads have them. There isn't one. That's why I never biamp a sub. I can't think of many reasons why you would have to, unless you're into some really exotic dB drag stuff. I'll give you a very good reason, Price unless you are lucky enough to buy everything new. If you buy your amps used as I do, you will find that a pair of 500watt amps are a lot cheaper and easier to find then a single 1000watt amp. For that reason I am bi-amping a pair of mtx801d's to four 12" subs at this time. Where does the airy nature of the sub amp, the high damping factor, the warmth of the sound, and the precision of the control of the cone come into play? When bridging, although I have never found it to be that noticeable to the ear. |
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Simply by changing my ground loop isolation in my x-over. Yeah there are cheaper ways, if you don't already own one. all I was saying is that is has helped reduce noise a few times, not once did it ever create noise. In article , "Mark Zarella" wrote: See my other post. If you use cheap crap, you might get noise, in fact my x-over eliminated noise with a few amps. How can an additional device reduce noise? If it did, then that noise could have been reduced by much simpler (and cheaper) means. |
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That's why I never biamp a sub. I can't think of many reasons why you
would have to, unless you're into some really exotic dB drag stuff. I'll give you a very good reason, Price unless you are lucky enough to buy everything new. If you buy your amps used as I do, you will find that a pair of 500watt amps are a lot cheaper and easier to find then a single 1000watt amp. For that reason I am bi-amping a pair of mtx801d's to four 12" subs at this time. I don't find that to be true when I look at ebay. |
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After browsing around this NG for a few years, I've found that many people
have had trouble with noise from external xovers and eqs. I personally haven't encountered a noise problem with them that I couldn't overcome. I used to use a 3xs and 4xs back when my system consisted of five makeshift 2-ch amplifiers that I had either bought broken or used. Back then I didn't have the luxury of being able to pick and choose (at least I thought I didn't). "Captain Howdy" wrote in message ... Simply by changing my ground loop isolation in my x-over. Yeah there are cheaper ways, if you don't already own one. all I was saying is that is has helped reduce noise a few times, not once did it ever create noise. In article , "Mark Zarella" wrote: See my other post. If you use cheap crap, you might get noise, in fact my x-over eliminated noise with a few amps. How can an additional device reduce noise? If it did, then that noise could have been reduced by much simpler (and cheaper) means. |
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