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John Atkinson wrote: wrote: So what happens when Arny does not show up for the debate? He is already planting a lawn full of excuses. Arny Krueger has give his word that he will attend HE2005 to take part in the debate, Scott. I take his commitment at its face value. What makes you think you aren't just buying Arny a weekend in New York? If Mr. Krueger doesn't turn up, then he will have to reimburse me for the airfare and the cost of the hotel room, of course (unless he gives me sufficient notice to cancel the reservations). John Atkinson Editor, Stereophile What if he doesn't turn up and he doesn't reimburse you? Do you have a writen agreement that implicitely states quid pro quo airfare and hotel costs for presence at debate for full 90 minutes? Am I the only one who sees this guy going to New York on your dime and not showing or leaving after a minute based on some lame brained excuse cooked up in advance just to make Stereophile eat his airfare and hotel costs? Does nobody else not see this guy doing a dine and dash? How do you plan on collecting your reimbursement? Scott Wheeler |
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wrote in message ups.com... John Atkinson wrote: wrote: So what happens when Arny does not show up for the debate? He is already planting a lawn full of excuses. Arny Krueger has give his word that he will attend HE2005 to take part in the debate, Scott. I take his commitment at its face value. What makes you think you aren't just buying Arny a weekend in New York? If Mr. Krueger doesn't turn up, then he will have to reimburse me for the airfare and the cost of the hotel room, of course (unless he gives me sufficient notice to cancel the reservations). John Atkinson Editor, Stereophile What if he doesn't turn up and he doesn't reimburse you? Do you have a writen agreement that implicitely states quid pro quo airfare and hotel costs for presence at debate for full 90 minutes? Am I the only one who sees this guy going to New York on your dime and not showing or leaving after a minute based on some lame brained excuse cooked up in advance just to make Stereophile eat his airfare and hotel costs? Does nobody else not see this guy doing a dine and dash? How do you plan on collecting your reimbursement? I don't expect that outcome, but if it happens, it will have its own inherent rewards for JA. That's why I don't expect it to happen. I predict Arny will show. He will make his case, and there will be a debate. This will be Arny's 15 minutes of fame, for better or for worse. Sorry, its just how I see it playing out. This is just too 'necessary' for Arny's fulfillment of his audio meglamania. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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Lionel wrote: John Atkinson a =E9crit : Performing a scientifically valid DBT, Mr. Ferstler, is rather more demanding than setting up a system to play music. Does this explain why you never perform these tests even (especially ?) when the audio devices are little bit "esoteric". If they never do them then "especially" simply does not apply. You do realize that most of the reviewers for Stereophile do not make their livings as reviewers? You do realize that DBTs are not the norm for reviews done by the magazines that advocate such tests? It simply isn't a reasonable demand to place on subjective reviewers. It seems the demand only comes up when an objectivist disagrees with a subjective review. I suppose in a perfect world all reviews would have at least some blind listening included, especially for speakers, but that just isn't going to happen with small review journals that report on a hobby. Just about everyone who reads these magazines knows how the reviews are being done. If you think subjective reviews of things like amps and cables are bogus then I suggest you ignore them, write a letter of complaint or simply don't purchase the magazines that print such reviews.=20 Scott Wheeler |
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Clyde Slick wrote: wrote in message ups.com... John Atkinson wrote: wrote: So what happens when Arny does not show up for the debate? He is already planting a lawn full of excuses. Arny Krueger has give his word that he will attend HE2005 to take part in the debate, Scott. I take his commitment at its face value. What makes you think you aren't just buying Arny a weekend in New York? If Mr. Krueger doesn't turn up, then he will have to reimburse me for the airfare and the cost of the hotel room, of course (unless he gives me sufficient notice to cancel the reservations). John Atkinson Editor, Stereophile What if he doesn't turn up and he doesn't reimburse you? Do you have a writen agreement that implicitely states quid pro quo airfare and hotel costs for presence at debate for full 90 minutes? Am I the only one who sees this guy going to New York on your dime and not showing or leaving after a minute based on some lame brained excuse cooked up in advance just to make Stereophile eat his airfare and hotel costs? Does nobody else not see this guy doing a dine and dash? How do you plan on collecting your reimbursement? I don't expect that outcome, but if it happens, it will have its own inherent rewards for JA. That's why I don't expect it to happen. I predict Arny will show. He will make his case, and there will be a debate. This will be Arny's 15 minutes of fame, for better or for worse. Sorry, its just how I see it playing out. This is just too 'necessary' for Arny's fulfillment of his audio meglamania. Are you forgetting who we are talking about? Where is the reward for JA? Are you forgetting that we are talking about a guy who lives in complete disconnect with reality? Look at Arny's history on RAO and ask yourself if this would be a victory for JA or a subject of fantasy for Arny for years to come? Scott Wheeler |
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"George M. Middius" wrote in message ... said: If Mr. Krueger doesn't turn up, then he will have to reimburse me for the airfare and the cost of the hotel room, of course (unless he gives me sufficient notice to cancel the reservations). What if he doesn't turn up and he doesn't reimburse you? Do you have a writen agreement that implicitely states quid pro quo airfare and hotel costs for presence at debate for full 90 minutes? Am I the only one who sees this guy going to New York on your dime and not showing or leaving after a minute based on some lame brained excuse cooked up in advance just to make Stereophile eat his airfare and hotel costs? Does nobody else not see this guy doing a dine and dash? How do you plan on collecting your reimbursement? Some victories are costly and some are cheap. This one would be cheap. LOL! You sure said it lots better than I did ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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"George M. Middius" wrote in message news  Also communists. That covers the class envy part, and the schadenfruede. If they can't have something good, no one else should have it. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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wrote: John Atkinson wrote: wrote: What makes you think you aren't just buying Arny a weekend in New York? If Mr. Krueger doesn't turn up, then he will have to reimburse me for the airfare and the cost of the hotel room, of course (unless he gives me sufficient notice to cancel the reservations). What if he doesn't turn up and he doesn't reimburse you? I don't see the point of discussing something that may well not happen, Scott. Do you have a writen agreement that implicitely states quid pro quo airfare and hotel costs for presence at debate for full 90 minutes? No, I didn't feel it necessary given that Mr. Krueger has given his word that he will attend the Show and take part in the debate. Am I the only one who sees this guy going to New York on your dime and not showing or leaving after a minute based on some lame brained excuse cooked up in advance just to make Stereophile eat his airfare and hotel costs? If that happens, Scott, I may well ending losing money but Mr. Krueger will lose something more important. However, as I said, Mr. Krueger has given me his word that he will attend HE2005 as planned and that he will debate me one-on-one. Regardless of how Arny Krueger has behaved in the past, I feel that I owe him that level of trust. John Atkinson Editor, Stereophile |
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John Atkinson is steamed: Howard Ferstler wrote: a debate would have more impact if you and Arny both participated in an independently proctored series of DBT comparisons prior to the face off. The neverending cry of the impotent, powerless audio critic. "Put it to a DBT" and now "Put JA to a DBT." Temper, temper. ;-) |
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"George M. Middius" wrote in message ... Clyde Slick said: Also communists. That covers the class envy part, and the schadenfruede. If they can't have something good, no one else should have it. Arnii has told us he can't get a BJ. Even things that are valuable yet cheap are out of his reach. so, Arny also suffers from ass envy. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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In , Clyde Slick wrote :
"George M. Middius" wrote in message ... said: If Mr. Krueger doesn't turn up, then he will have to reimburse me for the airfare and the cost of the hotel room, of course (unless he gives me sufficient notice to cancel the reservations). What if he doesn't turn up and he doesn't reimburse you? Do you have a writen agreement that implicitely states quid pro quo airfare and hotel costs for presence at debate for full 90 minutes? Am I the only one who sees this guy going to New York on your dime and not showing or leaving after a minute based on some lame brained excuse cooked up in advance just to make Stereophile eat his airfare and hotel costs? Does nobody else not see this guy doing a dine and dash? How do you plan on collecting your reimbursement? Some victories are costly and some are cheap. This one would be cheap. LOL! You sure said it lots better than I did LOL, this remember me S888Wheel's lawsuit. As long as the money doesn't get out from Middius' pocket it's cheap... George, Mr Wheeler has proposed you to go on with his "cheap" lawsuit. Why have you refused ? ;-) |
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George M. Middius wrote:
Scott said: If you think subjective reviews of things like amps and cables are bogus then I suggest you ignore them, write a letter of complaint or simply don't purchase the magazines that print such reviews. Sorry, but the "objectivists" ;-) do not believe in live and let live. They are fascists. Also communists. This is a *very* interesting point George. Communists... This is the word that Bill Gates used recently to qualified Richard Stallman's "free software foundation". ---------- Sent via SPRACI - http://www.spraci.com/ - Parties,Raves,Clubs,Festivals |
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John Atkinson wrote: wrote: John Atkinson wrote: wrote: What makes you think you aren't just buying Arny a weekend in New York? If Mr. Krueger doesn't turn up, then he will have to reimburse me for the airfare and the cost of the hotel room, of course (unless he gives me sufficient notice to cancel the reservations). What if he doesn't turn up and he doesn't reimburse you? I don't see the point of discussing something that may well not happen, Scott. Fair enough. Consider it food for thought and nothing more. Do you have a writen agreement that implicitely states quid pro quo airfare and hotel costs for presence at debate for full 90 minutes? No, I didn't feel it necessary given that Mr. Krueger has given his word that he will attend the Show and take part in the debate. His word. OK......... Am I the only one who sees this guy going to New York on your dime and not showing or leaving after a minute based on some lame brained excuse cooked up in advance just to make Stereophile eat his airfare and hotel costs? If that happens, Scott, I may well ending losing money but Mr. Krueger will lose something more important. You can't loose what you don't have. Just look at Ferstler and how he has behaved since being exposed as a fraud and a plagiarist. If you are expecting Arny to act like a normal person with self respect, dignity and integrity you must be suffering from the same amnesia as Art. I do hope for the best but IME no matter how low you set the bar for Krueger he manages to fly under it. However, as I said, Mr. Krueger has given me his word that he will attend HE2005 as planned and that he will debate me one-on-one. Regardless of how Arny Krueger has behaved in the past, I feel that I owe him that level of trust. You are entitled to that opinion. I don't share it. Hope you are right. Scott Wheeler |
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Lionel wrote: In . com, wrote : Lionel wrote: John Atkinson a =E9crit : Performing a scientifically valid DBT, Mr. Ferstler, is rather more demanding than setting up a system to play music. Does this explain why you never perform these tests even (especially ?) when the audio devices are little bit "esoteric". If they never do them then "especially" simply does not apply. You do realize that most of the reviewers for Stereophile do not make their livings as reviewers? Do you really think that it is a "fair" argument ? Absolutely. The option is no review. There simply isn't a market to support Stereophile if Stereophile were to put all of it's writers on staff and pay them a wage that would make reviewing a worth while endevour. I think it is asking too much to ask part time reviewers who are making a living doing other jobs to take the extra time needed to do legitimate DBTs of every component they review. It simply will not happen. It doesn't happen with magazines that advocate DBTs. You do realize that DBTs are not the norm for reviews done by the magazines that advocate such tests? It simply isn't a reasonable demand to place on subjective reviewers. It seems the demand only comes up when an objectivist disagrees with a subjective review. I suppose in a perfect world all reviews would have at least some blind listening included, especially for speakers, Why especially for speakers ? Because they are every bit as prone to sighted bias effects and no one doubts their importance to sound quality. but that just isn't going to happen with small review journals that report on a hobby. You know Scott, I worked for industry (valves for gas and water) since a long time. I have been in a lot of specialized exhibitions and shows BUT I've never seen such demonstration of luxe than in high-end HiFi shows. I guess that this hobby generate very important margin... ;-) I think shows are just that, shows. I have been to any number of such shows in other industries and I think the appearance of wealth is just that in many cases, appearance. The look of success sells. I think you will find the hard numbers tell a different kind of story. I think they tell a story of little margin for magazines and massive turnover for small manufacturers. Just about everyone who reads these magazines knows how the reviews are being done. If you think subjective reviews of things like amps and cables are bogus then I suggest you ignore them, write a letter of complaint or simply don't purchase the magazines that such reviews. According to your proposal I would be interested that "rich" magazines like Stereophile (Diapason, NDRS... in France) participate to scientific progress in organizing one or twice a year DBT tests to confirm *analytic* of the reviewers... Especially when the tested devices aren't supported by a strong (published) scientific theory. How do you figure Stereophile is a "rich" magazine? Do you really think the money is there for these guys to do legitimate scientific testing? I don't. I think that is why it is quite absent in the world of audio. Valid scientific research is ****ing expensive. It is usually funded by major corperate grants or governmemt grants. I think it is way beyond the ways and means of any hobbyist publication. Scott Wheeler |
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"Howard Ferstler" wrote in message ... "George M. Middius" wrote: John Atkinson said: Mike McKelvy suggested a one-on-one debate and that is what I proposed, that is what Mr. Krueger accepted, and that is what I have promoted in my magazine, on my website, and on the newsgroups and audio forums. The die is cast, Mr. Ferstler, but thank you for offering your concern. Perhaps a little charity is in order here, John. The forthcoming debate might benefit from a comedic opening act. I think you might be able to recruit a Professional Audio Clown to amuse the crowd, Hey, George, you are hired! Howard Ferstler People who live in trailers don't hire other people. Stupid. Cheers, Margaret |
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John Atkinson wrote: snipped I spnet a lot of time and money in the early 1990s organizing blind testing of loudspeakers, yet the reviews based on this testing were not at all popular. So, first you tried promoting blind testing of the audio component least in need of such testing and when that failed, you decided to become a handmaiden for the charlatans promoting Bedini Clarifiers, Mpingo Discs, Shakti Stones, etc. Do you take solace in a failed attempt at virtue before you became a whoremonger? In the end a magazine has to publish what its readers are prepared to read or cease publishing, as happened with the erstwhile magazine that has given its name to this thread. How much for "around the world"? ;-) |
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wrote in message oups.com... You can't loose what you don't have. Just look at Ferstler and how he has behaved since being exposed as a fraud and a plagiarist. If you are expecting Arny to act like a normal person with self respect, dignity and integrity you must be suffering from the same amnesia as Art. I don't remember that. Anyways, I expect Arny to show up not because he is honorable, but rather because he is insane. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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"Kalman Rubinson" wrote in message ... On 19 Feb 2005 13:40:35 -0800, wrote: How do you figure Stereophile is a "rich" magazine? Do you really think the money is there for these guys to do legitimate scientific testing? I don't. I think that is why it is quite absent in the world of audio. Valid scientific research is ****ing expensive. It is usually funded by major corperate grants or governmemt grants. I think it is way beyond the ways and means of any hobbyist publication. Bingo! I would be happy to retire from my university position and devote full time to audio reviewing including DBT if there was any entity willing to fund the operation. Of course, Stereophile subscriptions might rise in cost to approach those of scientific journals, running thousands of $$ per year. Any takers? Kal I like the idea of spending thousands of dollars for DBT results to save me thousands of dollars in audio purchases I wouldm't make anyway. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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wrote in message
oups.com John Atkinson wrote: However, as I said, Mr. Krueger has given me his word that he will attend HE2005 as planned and that he will debate me one-on-one. Regardless of how Arny Krueger has behaved in the past, I feel that I owe him that level of trust. You are entitled to that opinion. I don't share it. Scott, ironically you're bitter because I promised to not answer your vanity libel suit, and kept my word - which helped it fail. |
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wrote in message
oups.com Absolutely. The option is no review. There simply isn't a market to support Stereophile if Stereophile were to put all of it's writers on staff and pay them a wage that would make reviewing a worth while endevour. I think it is asking too much to ask part time reviewers who are making a living doing other jobs to take the extra time needed to do legitimate DBTs of every component they review. It simply will not happen. It doesn't happen with magazines that advocate DBTs. I think it's fine if everbody agrees that these poor reviewers lack the resources to properly document their reviews. |
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wrote in message
oups.com John Atkinson wrote: I spent a lot of time and money in the early 1990s organizing blind testing of loudspeakers, yet the reviews based on this testing were not at all popular. So, first you tried promoting blind testing of the audio component least in need of such testing and when that failed, you decided to become a handmaiden for the charlatans promoting Bedini Clarifiers, Mpingo Discs, Shakti Stones, etc. Do you take solace in a failed attempt at virtue before you became a whoremonger? I think that Atkinson did his bogus DBTs of amps and capacitors before the early 1990s. In the end a magazine has to publish what its readers are prepared to read or cease publishing, as happened with the erstwhile magazine that has given its name to this thread. Note the false claim by Atkinson that The Audio Critic has ceased publishing. All I see is a transition to web publishing, which seems very appropriate. TAS is also leaning heavily on web publishing, yet AFAIK Atkinson hasn't rung their death knell. |
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Arny Krueger wrote: wrote in message oups.com John Atkinson wrote: However, as I said, Mr. Krueger has given me his word that he will attend HE2005 as planned and that he will debate me one-on-one. Regardless of how Arny Krueger has behaved in the past, I feel that I owe him that level of trust. You are entitled to that opinion. I don't share it. Scott, ironically you're bitter because I promised to not answer your vanity libel suit, and kept my word - which helped it fail. The real irony is that you would proudly allude to one of the finest examples of your lack of character. You said a lot of things back then. You falsely accused me of being a pedophile. You claimed you would hire a lawyer, run up my bill and put a lean on my house. What you chose not to do was actually retract the claims of pedophilia to end the law suit. You failed on every level to show any decency or integrity. I'm not bitter but I have learned my lesson about you. Thanks for reminding the rest of RAO just why you deserve absolutely no trust. Like I said before, no matter how low I set the bar for you, you always manage to fly under it. Your word is worthless and I expect you to remind us all of that fact again with this debate. I also expect you to find some kind of bizzarre victory in it just as you have found some sort of bizzarre victory in being sued for libel over false accusations of pedophilia. I suppose ripping off Stereophile for a free trip to New York would be a victory in your book. Scott Wheeler |
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John Atkinson a écrit :
In the end a magazine has to publish what its readers are prepared to read or cease publishing Very Good !!! Excellent !!! The ultimate argument. Now Arnold can go to NY very serenely, there's nothing to discuss anymore. No more bloody debate, no more shock of Titans, just discussion about weather, cars and economical conjoncture. ;-) Have a nice and peaceful visit Arnold... ....Lucky ******* ! ;-) |
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George M. Middius wrote:
Clyde Slick said: Anyways, I expect Arny to show up not because he is honorable, but rather because he is insane. And because he's a cheapskate, and a free lunch is a free lunch. LOL, not class envy but envy anyway. :-D ---------- Sent via SPRACI - http://www.spraci.com/ - Parties,Raves,Clubs,Festivals |
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Arny Krueger wrote: wrote in message oups.com Absolutely. The option is no review. There simply isn't a market to support Stereophile if Stereophile were to put all of it's writers on staff and pay them a wage that would make reviewing a worth while endevour. I think it is asking too much to ask part time reviewers who are making a living doing other jobs to take the extra time needed to do legitimate DBTs of every component they review. It simply will not happen. It doesn't happen with magazines that advocate DBTs. I think it's fine if everbody agrees that these poor reviewers lack the resources to properly document their reviews. This makes no sense. clearly no reviewer lacks the resources to "document their reviews." If they did we would never see them. Maybe you were trying to say something else? Scott Wheeler |
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wrote in message
ups.com Arny Krueger wrote: wrote in message oups.com John Atkinson wrote: However, as I said, Mr. Krueger has given me his word that he will attend HE2005 as planned and that he will debate me one-on-one. Regardless of how Arny Krueger has behaved in the past, I feel that I owe him that level of trust. You are entitled to that opinion. I don't share it. Scott, ironically you're bitter because I promised to not answer your vanity libel suit, and kept my word - which helped it fail. The real irony is that you would proudly allude to one of the finest examples of your lack of character. Letsee Scott do I have this right? I lack character because you filed a vanity lawsuit against me? LOL! You said a lot of things back then. I managed to pull your chain pretty hard, Scott. You falsely accused me of being a pedophile. How many times did I do that Scott? You claimed you would hire a lawyer, run up my bill and put a lean on my house. Prove it. BTW Scott I'm quite sure I never promised to put a lean on your house, because unlike you I know the difference between lean and lien. As far as liens on houses go, I seem to recall you making that threat against me. Nice job of projecting your wierdness! What you chose not to do was actually retract the claims of pedophilia to end the law suit. Claims, Scott? I think that means more than one. I seem to recall Lionel making numerous such claims against you. How's you're lawsuit against him coming? LOL! You failed on every level to show any decency or integrity. Not at all Scott, and the law seems to agree with me. I'm not bitter but I have learned my lesson about you. You're not bitter Scott? It's a good thing you posted this after prime coffee drinking time in most of the English-speaking parts of the world, because otherwise a lot of CRTs and LCDs would be bathed in coffee by now! Thanks for reminding the rest of RAO just why you deserve absolutely no trust. I deserve no trust for what Scott, being victimized by your vanity law suit? Like I said before, no matter how low I set the bar for you, you always manage to fly under it. So says a guy who is so ashamed of himeself that he wouldn't publicly admit his profession for many months. Your word is worthless and I expect you to remind us all of that fact again with this debate. I also expect you to find some kind of bizzarre victory in it just as you have found some sort of bizzarre victory in being sued for libel over false accusations of pedophilia. I suppose ripping off Stereophile for a free trip to New York would be a victory in your book. Atkinson should know me by now. How can I rip him off? |
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wrote in message
ups.com Arny Krueger wrote: wrote in message oups.com Absolutely. The option is no review. There simply isn't a market to support Stereophile if Stereophile were to put all of it's writers on staff and pay them a wage that would make reviewing a worth while endevour. I think it is asking too much to ask part time reviewers who are making a living doing other jobs to take the extra time needed to do legitimate DBTs of every component they review. It simply will not happen. It doesn't happen with magazines that advocate DBTs. I think it's fine if everbody agrees that these poor reviewers lack the resources to properly document their reviews. This makes no sense. clearly no reviewer lacks the resources to "document their reviews." If they did we would never see them. Maybe you were trying to say something else? Scott, thanks for showing that you can't properly read and comprehend the word "properly". Come to think of it, you won't be able to understand this sentence, either. Oh, well! ;-) |
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Lionel wrote: John Atkinson a =E9crit : In the end a magazine has to publish what its readers are prepared to read or cease publishing Very Good !!! Excellent !!! The ultimate argument. Indeed, Atkinson's position is becoming clear: $tereopile may be filled with techno-babble, psuedo-science, fraudulent products and purple prose, but that's what the readers (and, of course, the advertisers) *want*. What's a publisher to do? :-( |
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Arny Krueger wrote: wrote in message ups.com Arny Krueger wrote: wrote in message oups.com John Atkinson wrote: However, as I said, Mr. Krueger has given me his word that he will attend HE2005 as planned and that he will debate me one-on-one. Regardless of how Arny Krueger has behaved in the past, I feel that I owe him that level of trust. You are entitled to that opinion. I don't share it. Scott, ironically you're bitter because I promised to not answer your vanity libel suit, and kept my word - which helped it fail. The real irony is that you would proudly allude to one of the finest examples of your lack of character. Letsee Scott do I have this right? Not likely but let's see. I lack character because you filed a vanity lawsuit against me? LOL! Nope, as usual, you don't have it right. I'm sure you will misrepresent the facts leading to your failure to debate JA in the same way. You said a lot of things back then. I managed to pull your chain pretty hard, Scott. Just like you are pulling JA's right now? Anyone without personal integrity can pull another person's chain Arny. Hell, you can **** off your neighbors by throwing rocks through their windows in the middle of the night. One of the differences between you and normal people is that normal people will not stoop so low just to pull someone's chain. You falsely accused me of being a pedophile. How many times did I do that Scott? I suppose this matters to someone with no sense of decency. Three times if you don't remember. You claimed you would hire a lawyer, run up my bill and put a lean on my house. Prove it. Check the google records for yourself if you don't believe me. Kinda sad you don't remember what you said. If you can't find it let me know. I'll find it for you. I forget that google rrealize you think google lies to you. BTW Scott I'm quite sure I never promised to put a lean on your house, because unlike you I know the difference between lean and lien. "Definately" As far as liens on houses go, I seem to recall you making that threat against me. Nice job of projecting your wierdness! Nice job of using selctive memory. What you chose not to do was actually retract the claims of pedophilia to end the law suit. Claims, Scott? Yeah? Was that too big a word for you to understand Arny? I think that means more than one. Yeah it does. I seem to recall Lionel making numerous such claims against you. How's you're lawsuit against him coming? LOL! Thanks for showing your ignorance on the issue of over seas lawsuits. You failed on every level to show any decency or integrity. Not at all Scott, and the law seems to agree with me. Another one of your fanatsies. I look forward to your fantasies about why you failed to show for the debate. I'm not bitter but I have learned my lesson about you. You're not bitter Scott? Having trouble with the English language Arny? It's a good thing you posted this after prime coffee drinking time in most of the English-speaking parts of the world, because otherwise a lot of CRTs and LCDs would be bathed in coffee by now! More fantasies. Dream on dude. Thanks for reminding the rest of RAO just why you deserve absolutely no trust. I deserve no trust for what Scott, being victimized by your vanity law suit? I supposed someone so lost in their fantasy world on RAO as you would have trouble understanding why. Have you not noticed that you are the only one not getting it? Like I said before, no matter how low I set the bar for you, you always manage to fly under it. So says a guy who is so ashamed of himeself that he wouldn't publicly admit his profession for many months. Just more fantasies. I'm sure you will come up with some wild ones for being a no show at the debate. By the way, it is nice to actually have a profession and excel at it. Would you like me to tell you what it is like? Your word is worthless and I expect you to remind us all of that fact again with this debate. I also expect you to find some kind of bizzarre victory in it just as you have found some sort of bizzarre victory in being sued for libel over false accusations of pedophilia. I suppose ripping off Stereophile for a free trip to New York would be a victory in your book. Atkinson should know me by now. How can I rip him off? Are you really this stupid? You can rip Stereophile off by going to New York on Stereophile's dime and not participating in the debate. DUH! I agree with you though that Atkinson should know you by now and see this coming from a mile away. Scott Wheeler |
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Arny Krueger wrote: wrote in message ups.com Arny Krueger wrote: wrote in message oups.com Absolutely. The option is no review. There simply isn't a market to support Stereophile if Stereophile were to put all of it's writers on staff and pay them a wage that would make reviewing a worth while endevour. I think it is asking too much to ask part time reviewers who are making a living doing other jobs to take the extra time needed to do legitimate DBTs of every component they review. It simply will not happen. It doesn't happen with magazines that advocate DBTs. I think it's fine if everbody agrees that these poor reviewers lack the resources to properly document their reviews. This makes no sense. clearly no reviewer lacks the resources to "document their reviews." If they did we would never see them. Maybe you were trying to say something else? Scott, thanks for showing that you can't properly read and comprehend the word "properly". Come to think of it, you won't be able to understand this sentence, either. Oh, well! ;-) You really are an idiot. To bad you won't actually debate JA. Would have been good for laughs. Scott Wheeler |
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wrote: Arny Krueger wrote: wrote in message ups.com Your word is worthless and I expect you to remind us all of that fact again with this debate. I also expect you to find some kind of bizzarre victory in it just as you have found some sort of bizzarre victory in being sued for libel over false accusations of pedophilia. I suppose ripping off Stereophile for a free trip to New York would be a victory in your book. Atkinson should know me by now. How can I rip him off? Are you really this stupid? You can rip Stereophile off by going to New York on Stereophile's dime and not participating in the debate. DUH! If Arny Krueger does something along those lines, Scott, then I believe he would become a laughing stock. I feel that such an outcome will be sufficient incentive for Mr. Krueger to live up to his word. I agree with you though that Atkinson should know you by now and see this coming from a mile away. We shall see what happens, Scott. But I have found that placing a degree of trust in people almost always produces positive results. Mr. Krueger has given me his word; I shall continue to take that word at face value. John Atkinson Editor, Stereophile |
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ups.com Arny Krueger wrote: Atkinson should know me by now. How can I rip him off? Are you really this stupid? I'm not so stupid that I file vanity lawsuits in California Superior Court like this guy who posts as Scott Wheeler, and make a laughingstock out of myself. You can rip Stereophile off by going to New York on Stereophile's dime and not participating in the debate. I could jump off the Ambassador Bridge, or even just the freeway bridge down the road a couple of miles. DUH! I agree with you though that Atkinson should know you by now and see this coming from a mile away. Well Scott, it appears that not only do you have this persistent delusion that you are smarter than I am, but you think you are smarter than Atkinson. Frankly Scott, I suspect that you think that you are extraordinarily smart, but there's this little problem with your zillions of really stupid posts to Usenet. On the scale of Usenet Audio Idiots Scott, you're right up there with Middius, Dormer, Phillips and Sackman. |
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oups.com Lionel wrote: John Atkinson a écrit : In the end a magazine has to publish what its readers are prepared to read or cease publishing Very Good !!! Excellent !!! The ultimate argument. Indeed, Atkinson's position is becoming clear: $tereopile may be filled with techno-babble, psuedo-science, fraudulent products and purple prose, but that's what the readers (and, of course, the advertisers) *want*. What's a publisher to do? :-( Hustler and The White Worker seem to be good examples of magazines that appear to be pursuing the same basic marketing approach. |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... I could jump off the Ambassador Bridge, or even just the freeway bridge down the road a couple of miles. I would consider that more than an adequate excuse for bailing out of The Debate. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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