We all know that Trotsky disappeared from RAO after he was fired from
his salesdrudge job at Simply Stereo. The embarrassment was simply too
much for him to bear. :-( We can also conclude that he was unable to
secure a similar "position" with another area audio/video retailer,
probably because his reputation is absolute **** in Chicagoland (would
you want an unstable, egomaniacical whack job on your salesfloor??).

So...might "Jupiter Audio" be not so much a serious attempt at a
commercial enterprise as a way for Trots to get "back in the game" as
a "serious audio guy" and be able to post on RAO again? Why else would
he even consider submitting his little speaker company and his website
for approval on RAO? He had to know he was going to get absolutely
pounded. If he really wanted to sell speakers, he would have avoided
the Usenet audio groups in general, and RAO in particular, at all
costs. How about it, Trots?

PS- when do you go off the dole?

tor b wrote:
We all know that Trotsky disappeared from RAO after he was fired from
his salesdrudge job at Simply Stereo. The embarrassment was simply too
much for him to bear. :-( We can also conclude that he was unable to
secure a similar "position" with another area audio/video retailer,
probably because his reputation is absolute **** in Chicagoland (would
you want an unstable, egomaniacical whack job on your salesfloor??).

So...might "Jupiter Audio" be not so much a serious attempt at a
commercial enterprise as a way for Trots to get "back in the game" as
a "serious audio guy" and be able to post on RAO again? Why else would
he even consider submitting his little speaker company and his website
for approval on RAO? He had to know he was going to get absolutely
pounded. If he really wanted to sell speakers, he would have avoided
the Usenet audio groups in general, and RAO in particular, at all
costs. How about it, Trots?

PS- when do you go off the dole?

Do you remember "...and be brutally honest !" ?
It looks like a toll he paid to be accepted on RAO.

I like this hypothesis, it seems that sometime you can make longer
sentences...
)

Date: 10/7/2003 11:38 AM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

tor b wrote:
We all know that Trotsky disappeared from RAO after he was fired from
his salesdrudge job at Simply Stereo. The embarrassment was simply too
much for him to bear. :-( We can also conclude that he was unable to
secure a similar "position" with another area audio/video retailer,
probably because his reputation is absolute **** in Chicagoland (would
you want an unstable, egomaniacical whack job on your salesfloor??).

So...might "Jupiter Audio" be not so much a serious attempt at a
commercial enterprise as a way for Trots to get "back in the game" as
a "serious audio guy" and be able to post on RAO again? Why else would
he even consider submitting his little speaker company and his website
for approval on RAO? He had to know he was going to get absolutely
pounded. If he really wanted to sell speakers, he would have avoided
the Usenet audio groups in general, and RAO in particular, at all
costs. How about it, Trots?

PS- when do you go off the dole?

Do you remember "...and be brutally honest !" ?
It looks like a toll he paid to be accepted on RAO.

I like this hypothesis,

Thank you.

it seems that sometime you can make longer
sentences...
)

Lionel, perhaps you are confusing me ) with someone who
posts as . That guy is an underemployed whack job named
Tom Albertz who now works for his wife's real estate firm in Ft. Collins,
Colorado. He is a close ally of your good buddy Marc "Boon" Phillips (aka, the
Porkster).





tor b

"tor b" wrote in message
om...
We all know that Trotsky disappeared from RAO after he was fired from
his salesdrudge job at Simply Stereo. The embarrassment was simply too
much for him to bear. :-( We can also conclude that he was unable to
secure a similar "position" with another area audio/video retailer,
probably because his reputation is absolute **** in Chicagoland (would
you want an unstable, egomaniacical whack job on your salesfloor??).

So...might "Jupiter Audio" be not so much a serious attempt at a
commercial enterprise as a way for Trots to get "back in the game" as
a "serious audio guy" and be able to post on RAO again? Why else would
he even consider submitting his little speaker company and his website
for approval on RAO? He had to know he was going to get absolutely
pounded. If he really wanted to sell speakers, he would have avoided
the Usenet audio groups in general, and RAO in particular, at all
costs. How about it, Trots?

I concur.
He threw away a chance of a decent life, just to mingle with us.

Touching.

tor b wrote:

Date: 10/7/2003 11:38 AM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

tor b wrote:

We all know that Trotsky disappeared from RAO after he was fired from
his salesdrudge job at Simply Stereo. The embarrassment was simply too
much for him to bear. :-( We can also conclude that he was unable to
secure a similar "position" with another area audio/video retailer,
probably because his reputation is absolute **** in Chicagoland (would
you want an unstable, egomaniacical whack job on your salesfloor??).

So...might "Jupiter Audio" be not so much a serious attempt at a
commercial enterprise as a way for Trots to get "back in the game" as
a "serious audio guy" and be able to post on RAO again? Why else would
he even consider submitting his little speaker company and his website
for approval on RAO? He had to know he was going to get absolutely
pounded. If he really wanted to sell speakers, he would have avoided
the Usenet audio groups in general, and RAO in particular, at all
costs. How about it, Trots?

PS- when do you go off the dole?

Do you remember "...and be brutally honest !" ?
It looks like a toll he paid to be accepted on RAO.

I like this hypothesis,


Thank you.

it seems that sometime you can make longer
sentences...
)


Lionel, perhaps you are confusing me ) with someone who
posts as . That guy is an underemployed whack job named
Tom Albertz who now works for his wife's real estate firm in Ft. Collins,
Colorado. He is a close ally of your good buddy Marc "Boon" Phillips (aka, the
Porkster).





tor b

I have checked the records...
....Nice to meet you.

Lionel

Bobo said:

If he really wanted to sell speakers, he would have avoided
the Usenet audio groups in general, and RAO in particular, at all
costs. How about it, Trots?

I concur.
He threw away a chance of a decent life, just to mingle with us.

You're both wrong. The real reason is he needed an excuse to boot
Jocasta into the street. Now that he has to store cabinets and parts
and everything else in his little condo, there's no more room for Mama
Singh. Unless she sprouts wings and hangs from the ceiling like a bat.

George M. Middius wrote:

Bobo said:


If he really wanted to sell speakers, he would have avoided
the Usenet audio groups in general, and RAO in particular, at all
costs. How about it, Trots?


I concur.
He threw away a chance of a decent life, just to mingle with us.


You're both wrong. The real reason is he needed an excuse to boot
Jocasta into the street. Now that he has to store cabinets and parts
and everything else in his little condo, there's no more room for Mama
Singh. Unless she sprouts wings and hangs from the ceiling like a bat.



Middius know that because he belongs to the same therapy-group(*) than
Gregory Singh...
....They are doing a long and painful job to overcome their enormous
Oedipus problem.

LOL !

---------------------------------------------------------------------
(*)
1. therapy group therapy group:see group psychotherapy. ...
Related: Psychology

2. group psychotherapy - Types of Group Therapy There are various types
of group therapy; approaches include behavior therapy, psychoanalytic
therapy, sensitivity training, or Gestalt psychology (see
psychotherapy). The composition of groups varies as well, with family
therapy and marriage counseling common forms in recent years. Peer group
therapy usually consists ...
Related: Psychology

Date: 10/7/2003 12:43 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

George M. Middius wrote:

Bobo said:


If he really wanted to sell speakers, he would have avoided
the Usenet audio groups in general, and RAO in particular, at all
costs. How about it, Trots?


I concur.
He threw away a chance of a decent life, just to mingle with us.


You're both wrong. The real reason is he needed an excuse to boot
Jocasta into the street. Now that he has to store cabinets and parts
and everything else in his little condo, there's no more room for Mama
Singh. Unless she sprouts wings and hangs from the ceiling like a bat.



Middius know that because he belongs to the same therapy-group(*) than
Gregory Singh...

And, despite Singh's efforts to unseat him, Middius remains RAOs premier whack
job. ;-)

...They are doing a long and painful job to overcome their enormous
Oedipus problem.

Not counting his birth, I doubt Georgetta has been within 8 feet of a naked
vulva. :-(






tor b

tor b wrote:
We all know that Trotsky disappeared from RAO after he was fired from
his salesdrudge job at Simply Stereo. The embarrassment was simply too
much for him to bear. :-( We can also conclude that he was unable to
secure a similar "position" with another area audio/video retailer,
probably because his reputation is absolute **** in Chicagoland (would
you want an unstable, egomaniacical whack job on your salesfloor??).

So...might "Jupiter Audio" be not so much a serious attempt at a
commercial enterprise as a way for Trots to get "back in the game" as
a "serious audio guy" and be able to post on RAO again? Why else would
he even consider submitting his little speaker company and his website
for approval on RAO? He had to know he was going to get absolutely
pounded. If he really wanted to sell speakers, he would have avoided
the Usenet audio groups in general, and RAO in particular, at all
costs. How about it, Trots?

PS- when do you go off the dole?



Whose sockpuppet did you say you were, coward? Oops, kryptonite!

From: trotsky
Date: 10/7/2003 12:57 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:



tor b wrote:
We all know that Trotsky disappeared from RAO after he was fired from
his salesdrudge job at Simply Stereo. The embarrassment was simply too
much for him to bear. :-( We can also conclude that he was unable to
secure a similar "position" with another area audio/video retailer,
probably because his reputation is absolute **** in Chicagoland (would
you want an unstable, egomaniacical whack job on your salesfloor??).

So...might "Jupiter Audio" be not so much a serious attempt at a
commercial enterprise as a way for Trots to get "back in the game" as
a "serious audio guy" and be able to post on RAO again? Why else would
he even consider submitting his little speaker company and his website
for approval on RAO? He had to know he was going to get absolutely
pounded. If he really wanted to sell speakers, he would have avoided
the Usenet audio groups in general, and RAO in particular, at all
costs. How about it, Trots?

PS- when do you go off the dole?



Whose sockpuppet did you say you were, coward? Oops, kryptonite!

Whose sockpuppet would you like me to be, fat boy? Perhaps you should consult
with the Porkster on this matter.

BTW, you didn't really think the "Jupiter Audio" gambit was gonna fly, did ya?
It was just a way to appear to be a "serious audio guy", wasn't it? Be brutally
honest!

Life is good 'til those unemployment checks run out. ;-)




tor b

tor b wrote:

So...might "Jupiter Audio" be not so much a serious attempt at a
commercial enterprise as a way for Trots to get "back in the game" as
a "serious audio guy"

No, he intends to go into business for hmself.


I honestly wished him luck - we can always use more choices and
competition in the marketplace, but I also pointed out some problems
that he's likely to have to deal with due to his markups and design.

We all know how well he deals with the slightest criticism, even when
it's constructive. Oh well. His failure and ulcer.

"George M. Middius" wrote in message

Bobo said:

If he really wanted to sell speakers, he would have avoided
the Usenet audio groups in general, and RAO in particular, at all
costs. How about it, Trots?

I concur.
He threw away a chance of a decent life, just to mingle with us.

You're both wrong. The real reason is he needed an excuse to boot
Jocasta into the street. Now that he has to store cabinets and parts
and everything else in his little condo, there's no more room for Mama
Singh. Unless she sprouts wings and hangs from the ceiling like a bat.

Middius, I thought you were the foreign affairs expert. You're obviously
forgetting the Hussein family methodology for those situations where the
person to be hung from the ceiling lacks wings.

it seems that sometime you can make longer
sentences...
)

Lionel, perhaps you are confusing me ) with someone who
posts as . That guy is an underemployed whack job named
Tom Albertz who now works for his wife's real estate firm in Ft. Collins,
Colorado. He is a close ally of your good buddy Marc "Boon" Phillips (aka,
the Porkster).



LOL!!!!!!!!!!

Golly, you're good Sherlock. You go to detective school, yes?

How's your life now, good?

"Joseph Oberlander" wrote in message
nk.net...
tor b wrote:

So...might "Jupiter Audio" be not so much a serious attempt at a
commercial enterprise as a way for Trots to get "back in the game" as
a "serious audio guy"

No, he intends to go into business for hmself.


I honestly wished him luck - we can always use more choices and
competition in the marketplace, but I also pointed out some problems
that he's likely to have to deal with due to his markups and design.

We all know how well he deals with the slightest criticism, even when
it's constructive. Oh well. His failure and ulcer.

I concur. Despite his self-confessed "****y" personality, there's no reason
he should be condemned to a life as r.a.o. roadkill.

Trotsky should endeavor to modify his personality. It should make him feel
good that he can do this entirely for financial considerations.

Trotsky,
"nice person" = $$$

You can still be a ******* inside, alright? You're not giving up anything.
You just have to remember to let it out when you can get away with it, not
when the stripe-painting machine is grinding toward your sorry ass at 5 mph.

Robert Morein wrote:
"Joseph Oberlander" wrote in message
nk.net...

tor b wrote:


So...might "Jupiter Audio" be not so much a serious attempt at a
commercial enterprise as a way for Trots to get "back in the game" as
a "serious audio guy"

No, he intends to go into business for hmself.


I honestly wished him luck - we can always use more choices and
competition in the marketplace, but I also pointed out some problems
that he's likely to have to deal with due to his markups and design.

We all know how well he deals with the slightest criticism, even when
it's constructive. Oh well. His failure and ulcer.


I concur. Despite his self-confessed "****y" personality, there's no reason
he should be condemned to a life as r.a.o. roadkill.

Trotsky should endeavor to modify his personality. It should make him feel
good that he can do this entirely for financial considerations.

Trotsky,
"nice person" = $$$

In my point of view this is why the situation now is too much interesting.
His speakers are bull****, he hasn't money, we demonstrated that Jupiter
Audio is a fake company... He is now a real *loser*, he is now the kind
of person he use to hate. Hopefully we also know that he is a coward so
I'm not really worry about his destiny.

"Veritas odium parit, obsequium amicos" ;-)


You can still be a ******* inside, alright? You're not giving up anything.
You just have to remember to let it out when you can get away with it, not
when the stripe-painting machine is grinding toward your sorry ass at 5 mph.

Robert Morein wrote:
"Joseph Oberlander" wrote in message
nk.net...

tor b wrote:


So...might "Jupiter Audio" be not so much a serious attempt at a
commercial enterprise as a way for Trots to get "back in the game" as
a "serious audio guy"

No, he intends to go into business for hmself.


I honestly wished him luck - we can always use more choices and
competition in the marketplace, but I also pointed out some problems
that he's likely to have to deal with due to his markups and design.

We all know how well he deals with the slightest criticism, even when
it's constructive. Oh well. His failure and ulcer.


I concur. Despite his self-confessed "****y" personality, there's no reason
he should be condemned to a life as r.a.o. roadkill.


Bob, you keep imagining yourself as a player. You were dead in the
water when I made the QT analogy, and you're still not man enough to
admit it.

"trotsky" wrote in message
...


Robert Morein wrote:
"Joseph Oberlander" wrote in message
nk.net...

tor b wrote:


So...might "Jupiter Audio" be not so much a serious attempt at a
commercial enterprise as a way for Trots to get "back in the game" as
a "serious audio guy"

No, he intends to go into business for hmself.


I honestly wished him luck - we can always use more choices and
competition in the marketplace, but I also pointed out some problems
that he's likely to have to deal with due to his markups and design.

We all know how well he deals with the slightest criticism, even when
it's constructive. Oh well. His failure and ulcer.


I concur. Despite his self-confessed "****y" personality, there's no
reason
he should be condemned to a life as r.a.o. roadkill.


Bob, you keep imagining yourself as a player. You were dead in the
water when I made the Quicktime analogy, and you're still not man enough
to
admit it.

I'm going to score you in the only language you understand:

minus $100

Robert Morein wrote:
"trotsky" wrote in message
...


Robert Morein wrote:

"Joseph Oberlander" wrote in message
hlink.net...


tor b wrote:



So...might "Jupiter Audio" be not so much a serious attempt at a
commercial enterprise as a way for Trots to get "back in the game" as
a "serious audio guy"

No, he intends to go into business for hmself.


I honestly wished him luck - we can always use more choices and
competition in the marketplace, but I also pointed out some problems
that he's likely to have to deal with due to his markups and design.

We all know how well he deals with the slightest criticism, even when
it's constructive. Oh well. His failure and ulcer.


I concur. Despite his self-confessed "****y" personality, there's no

reason

he should be condemned to a life as r.a.o. roadkill.


Bob, you keep imagining yourself as a player. You were dead in the
water when I made the Quicktime analogy, and you're still not man enough

to

admit it.


I'm going to score you in the only language you understand:

minus $100


You have me confused with Ellis Audio. I wish you trolls would get
together and come up with a credible bunch of bull****.

trotsky wrote:


Robert Morein wrote:

"trotsky" wrote in message
...


Robert Morein wrote:

"Joseph Oberlander" wrote in message
nk.net...


tor b wrote:



So...might "Jupiter Audio" be not so much a serious attempt at a
commercial enterprise as a way for Trots to get "back in the game" as
a "serious audio guy"


No, he intends to go into business for hmself.


I honestly wished him luck - we can always use more choices and
competition in the marketplace, but I also pointed out some problems
that he's likely to have to deal with due to his markups and design.

We all know how well he deals with the slightest criticism, even when
it's constructive. Oh well. His failure and ulcer.


I concur. Despite his self-confessed "****y" personality, there's no


reason

he should be condemned to a life as r.a.o. roadkill.



Bob, you keep imagining yourself as a player. You were dead in the
water when I made the Quicktime analogy, and you're still not man enough


to

admit it.


I'm going to score you in the only language you understand:

minus $100



You have me confused with Ellis Audio. I wish you trolls would get
together and come up with a credible bunch of bull****.



http://www.ellisaudio.com/1801.htm
vs.
http://www.jupiter-audio.com/pages/europa.html

"trotsky" wrote in message
...


Robert Morein wrote:
"trotsky" wrote in message
...


Robert Morein wrote:

"Joseph Oberlander" wrote in message
hlink.net...


tor b wrote:



So...might "Jupiter Audio" be not so much a serious attempt at a
commercial enterprise as a way for Trots to get "back in the game" as
a "serious audio guy"

No, he intends to go into business for hmself.


I honestly wished him luck - we can always use more choices and
competition in the marketplace, but I also pointed out some problems
that he's likely to have to deal with due to his markups and design.

We all know how well he deals with the slightest criticism, even when
it's constructive. Oh well. His failure and ulcer.


I concur. Despite his self-confessed "****y" personality, there's no

reason

he should be condemned to a life as r.a.o. roadkill.


Bob, you keep imagining yourself as a player. You were dead in the
water when I made the Quicktime analogy, and you're still not man enough

to

admit it.


I'm going to score you in the only language you understand:

minus $100


You have me confused with Ellis Audio. I wish you trolls would get
together and come up with a credible bunch of bull****.

Elllis Audio is a model for you to emulate.
Team up with a skilled designer, have somebody else manufacture, and stick
to screwing customers.

Robert Morein wrote:
"trotsky" wrote in message
...


Robert Morein wrote:

"trotsky" wrote in message
...


Robert Morein wrote:


"Joseph Oberlander" wrote in message
rthlink.net...



tor b wrote:




So...might "Jupiter Audio" be not so much a serious attempt at a
commercial enterprise as a way for Trots to get "back in the game" as
a "serious audio guy"

No, he intends to go into business for hmself.


I honestly wished him luck - we can always use more choices and
competition in the marketplace, but I also pointed out some problems
that he's likely to have to deal with due to his markups and design.

We all know how well he deals with the slightest criticism, even when
it's constructive. Oh well. His failure and ulcer.


I concur. Despite his self-confessed "****y" personality, there's no

reason


he should be condemned to a life as r.a.o. roadkill.


Bob, you keep imagining yourself as a player. You were dead in the
water when I made the Quicktime analogy, and you're still not man enough

to


admit it.


I'm going to score you in the only language you understand:

minus $100


You have me confused with Ellis Audio. I wish you trolls would get
together and come up with a credible bunch of bull****.


Elllis Audio is a model for you to emulate.


Does "Elllis Audio" have a website? On an unrelated note, is it true
that all your screenplays are about train wrecks?

trotsky wrote:



Robert Morein wrote:

"trotsky" wrote in message
...


Robert Morein wrote:

"trotsky" wrote in message
...


Robert Morein wrote:


"Joseph Oberlander" wrote in message
nk.net...



tor b wrote:




So...might "Jupiter Audio" be not so much a serious attempt at a
commercial enterprise as a way for Trots to get "back in the
game" as
a "serious audio guy"


No, he intends to go into business for hmself.


I honestly wished him luck - we can always use more choices and
competition in the marketplace, but I also pointed out some problems
that he's likely to have to deal with due to his markups and design.

We all know how well he deals with the slightest criticism, even
when
it's constructive. Oh well. His failure and ulcer.


I concur. Despite his self-confessed "****y" personality, there's no


reason


he should be condemned to a life as r.a.o. roadkill.



Bob, you keep imagining yourself as a player. You were dead in the
water when I made the Quicktime analogy, and you're still not man
enough


to


admit it.


I'm going to score you in the only language you understand:

minus $100



You have me confused with Ellis Audio. I wish you trolls would get
together and come up with a credible bunch of bull****.


Elllis Audio is a model for you to emulate.



Does "Elllis Audio" have a website? On an unrelated note, is it true
that all your screenplays are about train wrecks?


http://www.ellisaudio.com/1801.htm

Robert Morein wrote:

"trotsky" wrote in message
...


Robert Morein wrote:

"trotsky" wrote in message
...


Robert Morein wrote:


"Joseph Oberlander" wrote in message
rthlink.net...



tor b wrote:




So...might "Jupiter Audio" be not so much a serious attempt at a
commercial enterprise as a way for Trots to get "back in the game" as
a "serious audio guy"

No, he intends to go into business for hmself.


I honestly wished him luck - we can always use more choices and
competition in the marketplace, but I also pointed out some problems
that he's likely to have to deal with due to his markups and design.

We all know how well he deals with the slightest criticism, even when
it's constructive. Oh well. His failure and ulcer.


I concur. Despite his self-confessed "****y" personality, there's no

reason


he should be condemned to a life as r.a.o. roadkill.


Bob, you keep imagining yourself as a player. You were dead in the
water when I made the Quicktime analogy, and you're still not man enough

to


admit it.


I'm going to score you in the only language you understand:

minus $100


You have me confused with Ellis Audio. I wish you trolls would get
together and come up with a credible bunch of bull****.


Elllis Audio is a model for you to emulate.
Team up with a skilled designer, have somebody else manufacture, and stick
to screwing customers.


Have a look to Ellis Audio web site. They show the tripe of their
speakers because they have done choices and they aren't ashame about
that. It is clear that their speakers is not a
spontaneous-magically-created speaker (LOL!)
Trotsky already know that sure, this is why he is so jealous.
They also have a private forum where people can have interesting
exchanges about a *real* speaker and not a paranoid's *phantasm*. They
also have good signed reviews etc... All this small things which make
the business and that Trotsky will never know.

http://www.ellisaudio.com/1801.htm

Robert Morein wrote:


Elllis Audio is a model for you to emulate.
Team up with a skilled designer, have somebody else manufacture, and stick
to screwing customers.

Seriously. I know you're in the middle of a flame-war here, Greg, but
take this one piece of advice to heart - pay for a good designer to
go voer and tune-up your design. You only have to do this once per
speaker design.

Joseph Oberlander wrote:

Robert Morein wrote:


Elllis Audio is a model for you to emulate.
Team up with a skilled designer, have somebody else manufacture, and
stick
to screwing customers.


Seriously. I know you're in the middle of a flame-war here, Greg, but
take this one piece of advice to heart - pay for a good designer to
go voer and tune-up your design. You only have to do this once per
speaker design.

No Trostsky hopes we will compare his ****ty business with Ellis Audio.
Before anything else Trotsky is a *jealous* who have enormous *complexes*.
If you have to chose between equivalent price/quality speakers where
would you go :

1- to the nice people
2- to the grid paranoid guy

Trotsky forget this business basic statement.

He can do all the flame-war he wants... He stinks and by the way his
"company" (LOL!) stinks and obviouly the speakers stink too.
If you can concur with Dave saying "what a pity..."

trotsky wrote:

Does "Elllis Audio" have a website? On an unrelated note, is it true
that all your screenplays are about train wrecks?

Absolutely.

www.ellisaudio.com

He's got his move completed and is back in business. I did notice
the new Paypal logo on his kits - a nice touch.

Me? If I was Greg, I'd buy a kit and examine it to reverse-engineer
a simmilar design, but maybe with a ribbon tweeter(since he likes
that type of design). At the least, I'd buy my crossover from him
and change the caps to match - it's a solid design that would probably
be a better starting point than Madisound's verson.

http://www.ellisaudio.com/free.htm

How can you beat that, Greg? He'll model a cabinet for you for
free.

http://www.ellisaudio.com/CrossoverComponents.htm
I bet he would point you in the direction of how to make a better
crossover as well. He's a nice guy and would love nothing more
than to increase the number of small firms in audio. Competition
from you is meaningless to him in any case, as he knows that he's
never going to be a large firm. Plenty of customers for both of you.

I bet you could ship him a pair of the speakers and he'd analyze it and
give you recommendations and fixes for little or no cost that would double
your sound quality.

What do you have to loose, Greg? You rant on and on about him sucking,
but one fact remains - he is running a buiness and has several years
experience at it. There's nothing wrong with asking someone who is
a success how they did it. You'd be surprized in fact at how often
they tell you all about how they make it work/accomplished it.

(actually, getting them to shut up about it is the hardest part - lol)

Joseph Oberlander wrote:

http://www.ellisaudio.com/free.htm

How can you beat that, Greg? He'll model a cabinet for you for
free.

http://www.ellisaudio.com/CrossoverComponents.htm
I bet he would point you in the direction of how to make a better
crossover as well. He's a nice guy and would love nothing more
than to increase the number of small firms in audio. Competition
from you is meaningless to him in any case, as he knows that he's
never going to be a large firm. Plenty of customers for both of you.

I bet you could ship him a pair of the speakers and he'd analyze it and
give you recommendations and fixes for little or no cost that would double
your sound quality.

What do you have to loose, Greg? You rant on and on about him sucking,
but one fact remains - he is running a buiness and has several years
experience at it. There's nothing wrong with asking someone who is
a success how they did it. You'd be surprized in fact at how often
they tell you all about how they make it work/accomplished it.

(actually, getting them to shut up about it is the hardest part - lol)

On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 20:29:55 GMT, Joseph Oberlander
wrote:

trotsky wrote:

Does "Elllis Audio" have a website? On an unrelated note, is it true
that all your screenplays are about train wrecks?

Absolutely.

www.ellisaudio.com

He's got his move completed and is back in business. I did notice
the new Paypal logo on his kits - a nice touch.

Me? If I was Greg, I'd buy a kit and examine it to reverse-engineer
a simmilar design, but maybe with a ribbon tweeter(since he likes
that type of design). At the least, I'd buy my crossover from him
and change the caps to match - it's a solid design that would probably
be a better starting point than Madisound's verson.

http://www.ellisaudio.com/free.htm

How can you beat that, Greg? He'll model a cabinet for you for
free.

http://www.ellisaudio.com/CrossoverComponents.htm
I bet he would point you in the direction of how to make a better
crossover as well. He's a nice guy and would love nothing more
than to increase the number of small firms in audio. Competition
from you is meaningless to him in any case, as he knows that he's
never going to be a large firm. Plenty of customers for both of you.

I bet you could ship him a pair of the speakers and he'd analyze it and
give you recommendations and fixes for little or no cost that would double
your sound quality.

What do you have to loose, Greg? You rant on and on about him sucking,
but one fact remains - he is running a buiness and has several years
experience at it. There's nothing wrong with asking someone who is
a success how they did it. You'd be surprized in fact at how often
they tell you all about how they make it work/accomplished it.

(actually, getting them to shut up about it is the hardest part - lol)

Just out of curiousity, do you believe that speakers have to break in?

Joseph Oberlander wrote:
Robert Morein wrote:


Elllis Audio is a model for you to emulate.
Team up with a skilled designer, have somebody else manufacture, and stick
to screwing customers.


Seriously. I know you're in the middle of a flame-war here, Greg, but
take this one piece of advice to heart - pay for a good designer to
go voer and tune-up your design. You only have to do this once per
speaker design.


Joe, don't you think you should go to those groups where your trolling
is more welcome?

Joseph Oberlander wrote:
trotsky wrote:

Does "Elllis Audio" have a website? On an unrelated note, is it true
that all your screenplays are about train wrecks?


Absolutely.

www.ellisaudio.com



That's only two "L"s. If you're going to be too stupid to see the joke
it takes all the fun out of it. Do you feel it reasonable to call you
stupid here, Joe?

trottskkky said:

Does "Elllis Audio" have a website?

That's only two "L"s. If you're going to be too stupid to see the joke

We all see the joke, Greg. We've seen it for more than a week.

George M. Middius wrote:

trottskkky said:


Does "Elllis Audio" have a website?


That's only two "L"s. If you're going to be too stupid to see the joke


We all see the joke, Greg. We've seen it for more than a week.



Are you really claiming that Joe Oberlander really knew what was going on?

trotsky said:

Does "Elllis Audio" have a website?

That's only two "L"s. If you're going to be too stupid to see the joke

We all see the joke, Greg. We've seen it for more than a week.

Are you really claiming that Joe Oberlander really knew what was going on?

Are your "people skills" an asset to you as a salesdroid?

George M. Middius wrote:

trotsky said:


Does "Elllis Audio" have a website?


That's only two "L"s. If you're going to be too stupid to see the joke


We all see the joke, Greg. We've seen it for more than a week.



Are you really claiming that Joe Oberlander really knew what was going on?


Are your "people skills" an asset to you as a salesdroid?


I read people like a book. Are you good at anything, George?

trotsky said:

Are your "people skills" an asset to you as a salesdroid?

I read people like a book.

Are your "people skills" an asset to you as a salesdroid?

Are you good at anything, George?

How does it feel to be crushed like a worm by "Morion"?

dave weil wrote:

Just out of curiousity, do you believe that speakers have to break in?

Beyond the first few minutes, no. 'Break-in" is really your mind
getting used to the sound over time.

George M. Middius wrote:

trotsky said:


Are your "people skills" an asset to you as a salesdroid?



I read people like a book.


Are your "people skills" an asset to you as a salesdroid?


Are you good at anything, George?


How does it feel to be crushed like a worm by "Morion"?



George, if you can't tell us what you think you're good at you're not
really qualified to make that observation, right?

trotsky said:

Are your "people skills" an asset to you as a salesdroid?

Unable to answer the question, saggy-boobs?

Note that claiming you "read customers like books" is not the same
thing. For all we know, that kind of arrogance is what got you fired
from your two jobs in audio sales.

Answer the question or admit you're a worm.


Are you good at anything, George?

How does it feel to be crushed like a worm by "Morion"?

George, if you can't tell us what you think you're good at you're not
really qualified to make that observation, right?

I observe, like others before me and alongside me and following me,
that you are nutty as a fruitcake.

How does it feel to be crushed like a worm by "Morion"?

George M. Middius wrote:

trotsky said:


Are your "people skills" an asset to you as a salesdroid?


Unable to answer the question, saggy-boobs?


I have trouble even giving the time of day to fags. You can chalk that
up to people skills if you like.


Note that claiming you "read customers like books" is not the same
thing. For all we know, that kind of arrogance is what got you fired
from your two jobs in audio sales.

Answer the question or admit you're a worm.


Can't I admit that you're a worm and call it a day? How do perceive
yourself on this group, btw? I can't recall you saying anything that
showed the slightest bit of self awareness.


Are you good at anything, George?


How does it feel to be crushed like a worm by "Morion"?



George, if you can't tell us what you think you're good at you're not
really qualified to make that observation, right?


I observe, like others before me and alongside me and following me,
that you are nutty as a fruitcake.

How does it feel to be crushed like a worm by "Morion"?


Is "worm" you're fixation of the day, then? Which Star Trek episode is
that from?

trotsky said:

Are your "people skills" an asset to you as a salesdroid?

Unable to answer the question, saggy-boobs?

I have trouble even giving the time of day to fags. You can chalk that
up to people skills if you like.

In this case, we all know what "fags" means. It also sheds some
light on the true meaning of "n- - - -r pile", your other favorite
slur.


Note that claiming you "read customers like books" is not the same
thing. For all we know, that kind of arrogance is what got you fired
from your two jobs in audio sales.

Answer the question or admit you're a worm.


Can't I admit that you're a worm and call it a day? How do perceive
yourself on this group, btw? I can't recall you saying anything that
showed the slightest bit of self awareness.

Why do you think anybody is the least bit interested in answering
your asinine questions?


I observe, like others before me and alongside me and following me,
that you are nutty as a fruitcake.

How does it feel to be crushed like a worm by "Morion"?

Is "worm" you're fixation

Sliding back toward your natural ignorance, I see. Do you butcher
the English language because Mama Singh made you "do things" when
you were a wee little psycho?